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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ Good deal on E-code headlights

Posted by: Mark Henry Jun 27 2016, 10:10 AM

Was going to mention this in the LED headlight thread but then thought it may be a hijack.
The BusDepot has good deals on the Cibie E-code copy ($35/pr) or Hella E-codes ($70/pr) plus bulbs.

http://www.busdepot.com/nl910ch4/

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Posted by: rfinegan Jun 27 2016, 11:32 AM

I have Cebie E codes and they are AWESOME. Hardly ever turn on my fog lights any more as they light up the sides so well

-Robert

Posted by: Mark Henry Jun 27 2016, 11:35 AM

I have a set of real Cibie e codes but they have a bit of rust in the bottoms, don't think anything can be done about that.

Posted by: gandalf_025 Jun 27 2016, 03:35 PM

I have a set of Cibe Z Beams that have been on my car since the 70's
They have some rust on the reflectors also. I bought a set of cheap
copies and may see if there is a way to swap original lenses onto new reflectors....
Haven't attempted it yet....

Posted by: Minerva's 914 Jun 27 2016, 06:49 PM

I carefully opened up my Cibe' set and sanded the light rust and then painted them with silver/chrome paint and reassembled after softening the seals with WD-40 then cleaning and so far no problems, no leaks

Posted by: bandjoey Jun 27 2016, 06:51 PM

What's the difference in bulbs? Extra dollar for German bulbs?

Posted by: larryM Jun 27 2016, 10:53 PM

QUOTE(bandjoey @ Jun 27 2016, 05:51 PM)

What's the difference in bulbs? Extra dollar for German bulbs?

great deal on the cibies &/or the hella's

ignore the offered bulbs

- get some 90/100 Watt "offroad" bulbs if you want serious light

Posted by: Shadowfax Jun 28 2016, 08:57 AM

Thanks for the heads up. Ordered a pair of Hella E-codes.

Posted by: maf914 Jun 28 2016, 09:13 AM

Mark, Thanks for the heads up on the headlights. While on the Bus Depot site I checked on their ignition switches which they claim are German made. I wonder if that is correct and if worth ordering a couple. Are you familiar with these? Thanks.

http://www.busdepot.com/171905865

Sorry for the hijack.

Posted by: green914 Jun 28 2016, 09:56 AM

Thanks for sharing the info - looks like a very good deal.

Posted by: 19732.0 Jun 28 2016, 12:02 PM

Can the standard 55/60 watt bulbs really be used without adding relays?

Posted by: bandjoey Jun 28 2016, 12:37 PM

QUOTE(19732.0 @ Jun 28 2016, 01:02 PM)

Can the standard 55/60 watt bulbs really be used without adding relays?

or is there a slightly larger bulb that will plug and play? like a 75w without adding wiring? an LED H4 bulb?

Posted by: Mark Henry Jun 28 2016, 01:28 PM

QUOTE(19732.0 @ Jun 28 2016, 02:02 PM)

Can the standard 55/60 watt bulbs really be used without adding relays?

Yes, but anything bigger will need a relay(s).
Might be wrong but for the 90/100w I think you would need 4 SPDT 5-pin relays, 2 (hi-low) for each side. I'd get the 40amp relays and I would also get the matching sockets to make a clean install. You can get these at many FLAPS, off of amazon I think they're about $7ea with sockets. The relay must have five terminals labeled 85, 86, 30, 87, and 87a, these relays are a common bosch copy. If they are not marked with the numbers above they're likely the wrong relay.

Also note that bigger than the 55/60 is actually not DOT legal and I'd never use bigger than the 55/60 in a plastic light housing. I believe the ones in this thread are all glass or glass/metal.

Posted by: bandjoey Jun 28 2016, 09:11 PM

I ordered the Hella set. Will post pics when they get here.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jun 29 2016, 01:07 PM

On the relays, bit more expensive route but more correct looking is to use the Porsche round relays. They are the same relay, 911 615 109-01.
You can get press in sockets from vendors like pelican or the popup light relays from a couple of donor cars.

Posted by: toolguy Jun 29 2016, 02:45 PM

Note. . Oppps. . I thought we were talking about fog lights. .
headlights already have individual wires but the wattage of USA sealed beams are generally 55/60 watts. . therefore since they have individual fuses and wires no need to double the amps up. . but the wires still need to handle 100 watts each or 16 gauge at the minimum . The factory wire is 1.5mm which is 16 gauge so you're right at the limit of the wire. .

American Wire Gauge (AWG) needed
Amps @ 12 Volts
LENGTH OF WIRE

A 3' 5' 7' 10' 15' 20' 25'
1 18 18 18 18 18 18 18
2 18 18 18 18 18 18 18
3 18 18 18 18 18 18 18
4 18 18 18 18 18 18 18
5 18 18 18 18 18 18 18
6 18 18 18 18 18 18 16
7 18 18 18 18 18 18 16
8 18 18 18 18 18 16 16
10 18 18 18 18 16 16 14

Posted by: eric9144 Jun 29 2016, 02:57 PM

QUOTE(toolguy @ Jun 29 2016, 01:45 PM)

Don't forget the factory wiring is a single lead which is jumpered over from the drivers light to the passenger light.. The factory lights were 35w or 45 w bulbs. Therefore the lead from the factory relay to the drivers side light carries double the watts/amps. At 12vdc and 100 watt bulbs, that is right at 8.5 amps. . . . double that for two lights and your at 17 amps; which requires a minimum of 16 gauge wire to go 7 feet or 14 gauge to go further. You'd be better off to run 2 16 gauges - one to each light .Of you use a single relay it would need to accommodate a minimum of 20 amps.. . The really safe bet is to use two standard relays, each with it's separate circuit to the lights. Both relays powered by a single isolated circuit 20 amp fuse.

...and that's why I went LED. These are a great deal, but I didn't want to do any mods to the wiring harness etc no matter how minor.

Posted by: Cuda911 Jun 29 2016, 10:09 PM

Thanks for the info, Mark, I just ordered two sets of them.