Ok...... so I'm a dumbass.
And all that talk about how reliable my teener has been over the past 2 years, has finally caught up with me. Bad Karma perhaps?
Anyway.... about a week ago, I was out driving the teener pretty late, and I ran the gas EXTREMELY low. I know I shouldn't have.. but I did.
A couple days later, I pulled it out of the garage on my lunchbreak, started it up, and went back inside to let it warm up.
Came back out, and the car was stopped...... and wouldn't restart. I figured I ran out of gas, but that afternoon, I put a couple gallons in it (enough to bring it to 1/4 tank)..... but it still won't start.
I'll pump and pump and pump and pump and pump the gas pedal, but it still won't start. (I have dual Solex Carbs) You'd THINK that I would have a foul gas smell, gas coming out the tailpipe, etc... but nope... nothing at all.
I hear the fuel pump working..... which leads me to believe there is a fuel blockage somewhere. Perhaps something as easy as a clogged filter???
The simple fact of the matter is that I've done almost no friggin work on this car at all in 2 years... so I have no idea where to start looking.
I'm going to peek in there tonight, change out the filter, and make sure there's no obvious clogs in the engine compartment... hopefully I'll find something.
MY QUESTION IS: If I don't find anything........ where's the next place to start looking??
Thanks in advance for the help..
Matt
check the filters, check the trash screens at the carbs if your Solexes have them like Webers do; and your idle jets, in case anything got through everything upstream.
dribble some gas down each carb throat - not a lot. if it starts and immediately dies, you'll know you have a fuel issue. (it *could* be something else. i think we've all burned up days chasing a problem we were SURE we had, only to discover the real problem elsewhere...)
donno what kind of fuel pump you have. i had one fill up with rust flakes to the point it quit pumping; with the exception of some roller-cell pumps, they all have a check valve of some description that can get wedged and cause no pressure... could be that the pump lost prime - especially if it's still in the back. you'd think 1/4 tank would give the fuel enough head to resolve that issue, but we're trying to cover all the bases here...
Yes.... the fuel pump is in the back. Although I've never actually seen it with my own 2 eyes..... I hear it back there.
What do you mean the pump lost "prime"??? How do I fix that??
Are there any filters between the tank, and the pump? Or is the filter between the pump and the carbs?
Or both?
Sorry to sound so ignorant, but I really haven't even popped the engine lid to look at anything yet.. I'm literally starting from scratch. Been so busy lately.
What type of ignition do you have? I have heard if the key is left on (As it would be with a stalled car) and you have a petronix (SP) ignition it could burn up??
It seems like a gas related issue so disconnect the inlet to the pump and see if you get fuel to that point, work you way through the system (Point to point) to verify you have no blockages to the carbs.
Best of luck
So open the drivers door, look behind the seat in the lower left corner. Pull the little knob.... don't forget to put your hand on the engine lid.
Inside there would be your engine
QUOTE (ninefourteener @ Apr 8 2005, 09:45 AM) |
What do you mean the pump lost "prime"??? How do I fix that?? Are there any filters between the tank, and the pump? Or is the filter between the pump and the carbs? |
QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Apr 8 2005, 06:55 AM) |
So open the drivers door, look behind the seat in the lower left corner. Pull the little knob.... don't forget to put your hand on the engine lid. Inside there would be your engine |
I really need to get out of my "1970's GM musclecar" mentality.
I want to look for everything up top first, then crawl under the car if necessary.
I'll crawl under it tonight...... replace whatever filters I can find, and take a good look at the pump as well...... I'll post again if I find anything.
Thanks everyone
I went through a fuel stavation problem with my carbed car also. It would start and run, but would start dying over 2500 rpm.
what I did was...
1.... Removed and cleaned the tank. There is a fine screen in the outlet, but the PO had blocked that and used the return (which is restrictive.and flush with the bottom of the tank allowing any rust scale to block it.) I changed it back to the outlet side with the screen.
That is the one closest to the center of the tank.
2....Changed and relocated the fuel filter under the tank.
3.....Installed a new fuel pump ( I don't know if this was needed, but it had a sad looking pump out of an old Honda.)
4.... Checked the screens in the Dells (under the banjos)
I hope this helps you out.
QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Apr 8 2005, 07:41 AM) |
dribble some gas down each carb throat - not a lot. |
You can always try starting fluid.
QUOTE (Toast @ Apr 8 2005, 08:30 AM) |
So adding gas to the carbs was really the only way to get it to fire, otherwise it would just constantly flood. |
If you need a pump I got a few stashed away in boxes.
After 2 years your car didn't break It just wants a little more attention from you
QUOTE (ninefourteener @ Apr 8 2005, 09:59 AM) | ||
Thats the problem... I've flooded the car before in the past....... the problem is that no gas is even getting to the carbs |
Ok, now I'm really feeling stupid and need serious help..... My lunchbreak is almost over...... here's what I've done:
Crawled under the car, found the fuel filter right under the engine..... disconnected it..... gas all over the place... no clogs.
reconnected it........ and pumped and pumped and pumped....... it started....... and ran REALLY rough for about 5 seconds.
That happened twice.
Then...... SMOKE started pouring out of my air cleaner!!!! there is a burn mark on the top side of my passenger side air cleaner!!!!
it does NOT smell like gas... it smells electrical..... and it stopped when I turned the car off. I dont see any electrical wires going to that carb though.
The driver side air cleaner???? Stone cold.
I'm really lost..... someone HELP!!!
MATT
When was the last time you replaced or cleaned your air cleaner?
Ya know, you cant start a car with a completely clogged air cleaner.
Since you haven't opened the engine lid in 2 years, im sure that air cleaner is spotless.
QUOTE (ninefourteener @ Apr 8 2005, 12:45 PM) |
... it started....... and ran REALLY rough for about 5 seconds. That happened twice. Then...... SMOKE started pouring out of my air cleaner!!!! there is a burn mark on the top side of my passenger side air cleaner!!!! |
Unfortunately, I'm back at work now, so I can't be at the car... but I found this old pic of the engine... nothing has changed.
You can see on the far side.. the fuel pump mounted up against the firewall... an inline fuel pressure regulator, then the line directly to the passenger side carb.
I had K+N filters on my first teener.... these are not the same. its a wire-mesh air cleaner.. but I have no idea what they are... but someone should know by looking at them.
The burn mark was about the size of a quarter..... doesn't look like the whole cleaner was on fire. There is a sticker on the top of the air cleaner, and you can see it just got toasted.
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Matt,
I'm up for trying to help.
I just sent a PM with my work/home numbers.
Brother ya just need to call!
I now you were MIA last year for awhile after we went to lunch. You missed the Fun Fest in effingham and the FFC. I've seen you posting on and off and now the weather's great let's get that beautiful car fixed!
Dave
Just tried calling you Dave... left a message.
I do appreciate the help.... it sucks... the damn thing ran fine all winter. Spring is here... poof...... it breaks.
I'm sure its something really stupid... unfortunately its smarter than I am.
Dammit I need a V-8 conversion. If this was an SBC with a quadrajet I could have had half of it torn apart and fixed over a lunchbreak--LOL
REPLACE the fuel filter -- don't just unhook it and re-attach it. when you run you tank to empty some crud starts to go through the fuel lines -- your filter could be blocked. or your pump could be f-ed up.
replace those fuel lines if they need it while you're at it.
blow out the jets with some compressed air -- definitely check the filter screens if you have them.
got a fuel pressure gauge? see how many psi are getting to each carb (hopefully 3-5). not getting that AND you've replaced the fuel filter? suspect the pump. be sure to put a fuel filter BEFORE the pump in the future (if you haven't already done this).
if you don't know what all of this means, then spend some real time reading the archives of this bbs. you can do it, it'll be a great learning experience. you'll bond with your car, and stuff.
if you do all this, and it still don't work, then check for spark. (should probably check for spark first, but since you mentioned you ran your tank real low, i'd go ahead and start with fuel).
cheers, n
p.s. post pictures of your ex-girlfriends, please.
When I disconnected the fuel filter... gas poured through it freely (and all over me...... I stink right now)... so it is definately NOT a clogged fuel filter. I think I ASSUMED because I ran the tank so low that it has something to do with that..... but it seems the problem may be completely unrelated.
All this does tell me one thing: The problem is DEFINATELY on the top side of the engine. That narrows it down to 3 things:
1. Fuel pump
2. Fuel Pressure regulator
3. Carburator
Remember, I did get it to run for a short time... although it ran like shit... it did run..... which would eliminate the "no spark" theory, right?
ex girlfriends???? Are you serious?? LOL
All of them?? That would take me hours, and probably overload the server---LOL
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When I disconnected the fuel filter... gas poured through it freely (and all over me...... I stink right now)... so it is definately NOT a clogged fuel filter. |
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Which does tell me one thing: The problem is DEFINATELY on the top side of the engine. That narrows it down to 3 things: 1. Fuel pump 2. Fuel Pressure regulator 3. Carburator |
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Remember, I did get it to run for a short time... although it ran like shit... it did run..... which would eliminate the "no spark" theory, right? |
QUOTE (nebreitling @ Apr 8 2005, 11:08 AM) |
if it ran through it, then yes, it's not clogged. i'd still replace it. [ yup, so check your fuel pressure at the carbs. yeah, probably (could be intermitent) -- but if i couldn't get it going based on the above i'd check for good spark in all cylinders. got any fouled plugs? etc... how's your linkage? WE WANT EX-GF PICS!!! |
Aly
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Becky
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Brandi
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Crissy
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Dawn
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I keep folders on a lot of them... but I only made it up to "D"..... thats enough for now.
Bad memories dammit--LOL
YEAH!!!!
all really hot!! i knew it... except for brandi. was she a man? is that why you broke up with her?
god i love this site.
Actually, of the ones I posted... CHrissy was the least attractive of them all..... but I think its pretty easy to see why we dated for awhile--LOL
Brandi was actually pretty hot... only lasted a couple weeks though..... she had a really cool piercing in a really peculiar place
I feel like I need to redeem myself dammit.........
What the hell has this site done to me.
This is the only other pic I have of Brandi.... 2 Halloween's ago:
See... she's not ugly...... is she?? LOL
BTW.. Brandi is on the LEFT--LOL
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Should have kept Becky!
I have more.. I took a bunch
QUOTE (ninefourteener @ Apr 8 2005, 02:06 PM) |
I feel like I need to redeem myself dammit......... What the hell has this site done to me. This is the only other pic I have of Brandi.... 2 Halloween's ago: See... she's not ugly...... is she?? LOL BTW.. Brandi is on the LEFT--LOL |
Yep, Brandi used to be a man. Her girlfriend needs an extreme makeover.
Never seen anyone hijack their own thread before.
QUOTE (vsg914 @ Apr 8 2005, 12:27 PM) |
Yep, Brandi used to be a man. Her girlfriend needs an extreme makeover. Never seen anyone hijack their own thread before. |
Ok.... I'm gonna be referring back to this post tonight trying to fix my car....... and if my girlfriend reads this post... she's gonna be PISSED.
I'd just like to point out that these are all OLD girlfriends.... and my current girlfriend of 10 months has definately led me to see the error of my ways..
Oh yea... and she's WAY WAY WAY hotter than any of my ex's.
Janet:
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I dig Aly, what a doll..... I like my women with a little something to hang onto.
QUOTE (ninefourteener @ Apr 8 2005, 12:40 PM) |
Oh yea... and she's WAY WAY WAY hotter than any of my ex's. Janet: |
i'm just glad to help.
Ok....... you all have my permission to violently, electronically, Bitchsmack me right across my mouth.
Long story short,.... I dug in, pulled off the air cleaners, removed all the fuel lines, removed the fuel pump, etc.
Found out that instead of providing a steady stream of fuel to the carbs... it was kind of "spitting" fuel out intermittently.
Couldn't figure out why.... beating my head against the wall...... hooked everything back up.... still just spitting barely any fuel.
Out of anger I reach down and grab the fuel pump and stark shaking it and beating on it... for no real reason....... and my finger gets sucked onto the back side of the fuel line.
Yup.... my engine was being starved of fuel because of a stupid ass tiny little slit in the fuel line.
Yup.... a whopping 59 cents for some fuel line..... all fixed..... car runs beautifully.
Let the bitchslapping begin.
E through J should prevent any smack talking from me.
I agree Janet is very pretty. But, Becky just looks nasty.
QUOTE (nebreitling @ Apr 8 2005, 08:55 PM) |
E through J should prevent any smack talking from me. |
Hilah
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Holly
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Jeanette
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Jessie
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JJ
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Kelly L.
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Kelly O.
I have some more "k"s... but I need to get out and find someone that has a Bosch Platinum R6768....... no one carries those damn things.
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Go ahead.....we'll wait.
Can't wait to see the rest of the alphabet. Heck this is way more fun than talking about cars all the time.
I nominate this for classic thread status! LOL. Way to go, dude!
QUOTE (smooth_eddy @ Apr 9 2005, 01:52 PM) |
Can't wait to see the rest of the alphabet. Heck this is way more fun than talking about cars all the time. |
Kristin:
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Lisa
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Megan
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Missy
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Rebecca
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Susan
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Tina
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Tonnia
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Thats it.... sorry folks.... no more pictures...... at least not anything that I'm going to post on a public forum.
I had to leave a couple out... cuz if you've been a member on this site for any amount of time.... you remember all the drama about a year ago--lol
Maybe I should start a poll on which one was the hottest? LOL
Thanks for all the help with my fuel problem
QUOTE (ninefourteener @ Apr 10 2005, 01:47 PM) |
Maybe I should start a poll on which one was the hottest? LOL |
QUOTE (vsg914 @ Apr 10 2005, 12:11 PM) |
Hey, I wanna come hang out for the weekend. |
Yep, most of mine hate me too. The feelings are mostly mutual. I just want to relive some of my youth. I'm stuck with grandmas now with hair shorter than mine.
QUOTE (vsg914 @ Apr 10 2005, 02:31 PM) |
I just want to relive some of my youth. I'm stuck with grandmas now with hair shorter than mine. |
dude,
MISSY WAS A DUDE!
How come i JUST NOW found this thread!
way more fun thean ragging on cars, lets rag on matt's ex girlfriends!
QUOTE (ninefourteener @ Apr 10 2005, 04:45 PM) |
I'll take a 40 year old tatoo-covered bar slut ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, over a 21 year old serority girl. |
QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Apr 10 2005, 03:36 PM) |
dude, MISSY WAS A DUDE! |
Hell ya!
I like this thread !! I gotta give you credit man you have had your share of foxy women......I am for Becky #1 what a set of STICKS (and a short skirt)....lmao followed by Tina, any chick that can look at you like that has my kind of wild streak in her!!
ON to the subject of cars....I have had GREAT luck with the bosch platnum +4's plug wise any 1 else??
Josh
My babies Car #1 and #2 my 5 year multiple X who threw out all my Ex's pics That Fkn Biaatch
http://www.daybydayco.com/car4web/914.html
QUOTE (ninefourteener @ Apr 9 2005, 11:31 AM) |
JJ |
Sorry Matt, but I have to do it. I'm bumping this thread back from the grave. Definitely one of the funniest, and my personal favorite!
Bump bump bump!
I think JJ and Becky are my favorites, what was the matter with them????
QUOTE (mike_the_man @ Feb 23 2006, 06:49 AM) |
Sorry Matt, but I have to do it. I'm bumping this thread back from the grave. Definitely one of the funniest, and my personal favorite! Bump bump bump! |
QUOTE (ninefourteener @ Apr 10 2005, 11:41 AM) |
Kristin: |
See, now we've come full circle with the wedding picture. We have resolution! Way to go Matt, you're wife is the hottest out of em all!
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