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Posted by: OU812 Jul 3 2016, 09:48 AM

I have found info on the use of LPG in water cooled and stationary air cooled engines , but no instances where a 914 has been adapted to run on it.

While LPG is higher in octane, it has a lower BTU rating so Mpg would suffer. That said trying to determine the other ways a Type 4 would be affected by using LPG.

More longevity, more/less hp, run hotter or cooler......

Besides the conversion from a fuel delivery standpoint, would there be any changes needed from a cam, timing standpoint?

Did do a search and found no info specific to running a 914 on LPG, if you are aware of a link to a build or further info regarding the question I would appreciate if you would post it here.

Thank you

Posted by: DavidSweden Jul 3 2016, 09:59 AM

LPG, Just curious but why?

Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 3 2016, 10:02 AM

Why?

The savings will never be greater than the investment if done right.
Tuning issues, can be done but mo'money.
A pressure vessel in a sportscar? ...and where are you going to put it?
Limited range.
Fueling connection issues.
Tax credit is a joke.

Might be OK for fleet, but one off personal car?

Posted by: OU812 Jul 3 2016, 10:14 AM

Pollution and possible alternative to Electric

Ive looked at the EMV kits on the web and they are in the 7k range.

Looking into if it is viable alternative.

At this point what I'm hearing is no....

Posted by: wes Jul 3 2016, 10:23 AM

Just the weight and size of the LPG tank, and yes why!

Posted by: OU812 Jul 3 2016, 11:48 AM

The Electric version of the 914 has a heavy Battery in it, so weight of the tank is probably a non factor .

And electric cars have been known to have thermal events (Fires), just like the traditionally fueled 914's, so the fire thing is another non factor. as far as the tank being a bomb, looking at NTSB stats of all reported crashes involving vehicles using LPG tanks for propulsion, there have been zero. apparently they are way over built regarding punctures relating to collisions

To the why question, again looking for another lesser polluting type of fuel.

LPG is very clean burning, doesn't degrade the oil in the crankcase as quickly, longer service intervals for spark plugs and such, longer engine life.

And currently is priced right in this part of the US, forgetting about the tax credit.

Looking for a Greener, less polluting solution other than Electric traction motor .

Thank you

Posted by: mepstein Jul 3 2016, 12:05 PM

If that's your plan, you bought the wrong car.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 3 2016, 12:09 PM

My brother had a propane chevy van, the tank needed was a big cylinder.
Good luck doing a clean install.

Posted by: wes Jul 3 2016, 01:38 PM

Buy a Tesla its clean already designed, most likely a lot cheeper and they likely have a site you can play on!
One of the cool things about a 914 is you can do so many things to them depending on your thoughts desires $$ and capability although over the years I've seen in my eyes some really stupid things done to our beloved little cars.
In conclusion you could likely put roller skates on a truck but why!

Posted by: OU812 Jul 3 2016, 01:56 PM

It was a simple question.

I didn't know if a conversion of this type had been done.

Thanks though for the input

Posted by: Mueller Jul 3 2016, 02:04 PM

I know your Google search button doesn't seem to be working on your keyboard, but I spent 30 seconds and found that the answer is yes....

https://www.google.com/search?q=tangerine+racing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=propane+porsche+914

One for sale even(old post)..and the question has been asked a few times on 914World already.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 3 2016, 03:20 PM

The link you included talks about a 69 chev pickup that was running on CNG and testing leaks with propane.

Not talking about CNG here, we are talking about LPG

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 3 2016, 03:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBvQmJ34mRQ


http://www.enginebuildermag.com/wp-content/uploads/Gaseous_fuels_comparison.jpg
http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2014/01/future-alternative-fuels-could-be-a-gas/

So,a na engine built to +15:1 compression spec for the compressed gas can have good results.
The simpler route is the addition of turbos,with spectacular performance.
The clean burning nature of the fuel shows little oil contamination and carbon buildup,spotless.
Spotless after 500K km,on engines in fleet service,gruelling operating conditions.
The cost reflects the demand,the work must be done under strict licensed oversight here in Canada.
The kevlar pressure vessel is the most expensive option,followed by hydroformed stainless and steel.
The future greater use of the commodity means the cost should drop,the long term user reaping the most economy.
https://www.google.ca/?ion=1&espv=2#q=lpg+race+engine+turbo&start=0
https://www.google.ca/#q=porsche+944+lpg+england&start=20

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There was a guy..
Guards Red 944 in the UK that had the conversion done,a swell deal for the cost of the fuel.
Some print media(911+Porsche World?) from years ago,vaguely recalled.
Extolled the virtues and itemized costs,without raising the compression mechanically.
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Posted by: Mueller Jul 3 2016, 04:31 PM

Huh?

See screen shot below, looks like 914 related posts to me.

Posted by: Chris914n6 Jul 3 2016, 04:33 PM

I think your browser has been hijacked by one of those search viruses that directs you to a paid link page. I got a ton of useful Google links.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 3 2016, 04:33 PM

veekry9,

I appreciate the info and the links you included in your response.

Thanks again.

Posted by: Porsche930dude Jul 3 2016, 09:24 PM

I know a guy that runs his car and van on propane. I dont know much about it but he thinks its great. I converted my riding mower and it works fine. I didnt even do anything special just stuck the hose right on the carb where the gas normally goes in. I wanted to use up some of my propane tanks but no such luck. Iv been mowing my lawn for 2.5 years and the tank hasnt gone down at all. I think converting the 914 would be a great option. Way more better than going electric

Posted by: zipedadoo Jul 3 2016, 10:02 PM

Might try propane injection. I know it works great on a diesel. Might give you an idea if it's worth it to go all the way.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwifr5bx9djNAhUBEWMKHXKMD78QFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dieselperformanceproducts.com%2Fgasoline.html&usg=AFQjCNFmdh7Fs3sdwMPL33NuKdopL5gorw&sig2=xojj1bc93O8xYdA1ucSR0w

Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Jul 4 2016, 08:54 AM

Here is a 914/LPG conversion that makes complete sense.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/lofiversion/index.php?t216888.html

Posted by: OU812 Jul 4 2016, 09:17 AM

Not looking for info on how to build a grill, I already have one.

Looking for info on converting a 914 to run on a LPG.

But thanks anyway.

Posted by: Mueller Jul 4 2016, 11:00 AM

Same as any other gas engine. Not sure why you have to see a 914 done before doing it.

If you have to ask if it can be done the answer is yes, but not by you. Same as with turbocharging a 914.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 4 2016, 12:11 PM

Just looking to see if one had been done, if there was a kit that anyone knew of, you know, doing s little research before going any further.

Not sure why you wouldn't want me to do it ...or Turbo for that matter.

Seems like some folks are just angry around here for some reason.

Posted by: Mueller Jul 4 2016, 12:26 PM

I posted a few links, one of them was for a car already converted. So unless the poster was lying about it, it has been done.

A quick search using "VW Bug LPG" showed a bunch of threads, if one can do a VW Bug with a Type I motor one can do a Type IV motor in a 914.

I don't care if you convert it to run on pig #$%, my point was their is enough data out there for you do it to your current vehicle. If you expect a 100% bolt on kit then I'd say you are out of luck. If there was a kit I'd think we'd see more of them running around.

Seeing a picture of one converted isn't going to tell you how to it. My point was that for certain things if you have to ask can you do it, then no you cannot.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 4 2016, 12:29 PM

Thank you for your help

Posted by: Mueller Jul 4 2016, 12:35 PM

I've looked into for another vehicle, couldn't find anymore real info on this liquid injected type, seems great on paper.

http://www.hotrod.com/cars/featured/hrdp-1212-900-horse-power-on-propane-1970-chevrolet-chevelle/

Posted by: OU812 Jul 4 2016, 01:17 PM

Thank you the Hot Rod article was great!

Part of it said;

"To show that an enthusiast could build his own propane-powered muscle car and still be green, Jim and Johnny ditched the high-strung small-block and opted for a Chevrolet Performance LSX 454 topped with a Magnuson 2300 supercharger. They reasoned if their propane-fuel delivery system can feed a blown 7.4L engine, it should be able to handle most resto-mods and performance builds. Starting with a 20-gallon tank marketed by Propane Performance Industries (PPI) that stores propane at about 200 psi, the fuel is moved to the injector as a liquid. This required special, high-impedance Siemens Deka injectors you'd typically find in an industrial refrigeration application. The benefit to liquid injection is that the liquid fuel expands to more than 200 times its volume when injected into the port. Not only is that excellent for atomization, but when a liquid under pressure turns into a gas, it cools--lowering the intake air temperature and preventing pre-ignition. Also, as was discovered in the engine's second version, the rapid expansion can also add a couple of pounds of "free" boost on a naturally aspirated application.

All this talk about the benefits of propane probably has you wondering just what it all means for performance. On an engine dyno, the 454 put down 924 hp and 980 lb-ft. using a 102mm throttle-body. Jim has since moved to a 90mm throttle body that's not so prone to frying the tires, but they're not yet done tuning, either. The mileage is also comparable to gasoline, because while gasoline has a slight edge in energy density (it has more BTUs per gallon), propane runs at much leaner 16:1 air/fuel ratio. "

So basically bears out most of what I have said. Might be concerned about how the cooling property of the fuel would effect overall engine temp though.

Interesting article none the less .

Sort of paints a little brighter picture of the use of LPG as a viable fuel .....

Posted by: Chris914n6 Jul 4 2016, 02:36 PM

Here is your kit http://reno.craigslist.org/pts/5597829253.html Right under the images in the link Mueller posted.

Nobody is angry. Everyone likes to spoon feed newbies...

Posted by: OU812 Jul 4 2016, 02:56 PM

Thank you for the link

Posted by: DBCooper Jul 4 2016, 03:38 PM

Lift a finger. You don't need to have other people do google searches for you, do them yourself. Lift your own finger.

Posted by: Big Len Jul 4 2016, 05:18 PM

Just curious - Do you believe that petroleum fueled 914 are polluters?

Posted by: OU812 Jul 4 2016, 09:48 PM

Depends on the condition of the engine.

If it's in good repair and the pollution control equipment is connected and functioning, it probably isn't to bad.

If there is a lot of blow by and the PC equip isn't working, then it is obviously polluting and probably would not pass the inspections for certain emissions.

Posted by: jd74914 Jul 4 2016, 10:22 PM

I bet your early 914 (assume totally stock, perfectly operational) sends 40x more NOx and particulate as well as 10x more CO into the air than a modern cars running the same drive cycles. Just a slightly educated WAG though.

Posted by: Mueller Jul 4 2016, 10:34 PM

Do you really think you are going to be putting enough miles on your 914 to make even a .0000001% increase in pollution?

The natural resources spent/used to do the conversion will never be recouped.

While a noble idea, I think it's a little silly to think it's going to make any difference at all.
Plan on getting rid of all of your other polluting vehicles?

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 5 2016, 01:10 AM

N Plasma Ignition Circuit.

A high compression,normally or pressurized aircooled engine burning LPG or other,would be good.
A close fitting piston and a static CR of +15:1 and more would result in some interesting performance.
The crankcase oil would no longer be contaminated with blowby and the cylinders would not accumulate carbon buildup.
A high pressure port or better,a chamber injection system makes the typical T4 into a viable modern ICE.
The testing of a built engine to determine the limits of chamber pressure possible is a large task.
The cam timing must be altered to optimize the dry flows of the rev range,some distinct advantages off idle.
Hmmm...

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(edit:07/09/16)
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=lpg%20ice%20pollutant%20reduction

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Posted by: OU812 Jul 5 2016, 09:26 AM

Exactly what I was thinking but not near as eloquent ......who am I kidding not what I was thinking at all, but very intriguing!

Nicely put Veekry9

I have been instructed that ending a response with a Thank you is annoying and makes me a Butt hurt attention whore so I will just reply with a simple

Laters

Posted by: colingreene Jul 5 2016, 11:14 AM

I don't see how it would be much different than any other car.
really the thing to do would be to convert it using a real ecu, that's the only way i see this working.
Where i would start is look for threads about converting other type of cars and take the information you gained there and apply it to the 914.
Natural gas burns cooler or hotter I seriously don't remember.
outside of that combustion is combustion.
you just need to arrange the way to do it to fit the car.
as far as kit being made to do it, not likely.
I dont see a reason it cant or should not be done if thats what you are into.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 5 2016, 05:08 PM

I appreciate the response

Posted by: OU812 Jul 5 2016, 05:11 PM

Here's a lifted finger for ya pal, here's Johnny!

Posted by: DBCooper Jul 5 2016, 05:12 PM

You're what, about fourteen years old? Grow up.

Good news is that you've apparently figured out how to google. Big progress, congrats.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 5 2016, 05:24 PM

And your what 90? time to retire

Posted by: 396 Jul 5 2016, 05:31 PM

Since I can't figure how to utilize the "search " function.
OP, can you please advise me on how I can fit the engine of the
millennium falcon in my 74 914....I think it would be great.

Posted by: injunmort Jul 5 2016, 05:33 PM

i am brazing all my rust repairs with LPG. a cleaner joint can't be had.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 5 2016, 05:49 PM

Can't do that, but I can show you how to fit my foot up your @ss!

Not only that The Millennium falcon is so yesterday........

Posted by: Big Len Jul 5 2016, 05:52 PM

The following post is NOT indicative of 914 World as a group; it is simply my own opinion:

I knew this guy was an ass wipe from the start.

Posted by: Shadowfax Jul 5 2016, 06:02 PM

Johnny Cash had much thicker skin, man. Seriously, online threats? Can an admin please give this guy a time out or just ban him?
In the meantime, "You have chosen to ignore all posts from: OU812."

Posted by: OU812 Jul 5 2016, 07:18 PM

Is that all you got?

Posted by: OU812 Jul 5 2016, 07:22 PM

You give in return what you get.....not a threat, a sarcastic reply to a idiotic request.

As many here would say "use the search function"

Posted by: DavidSweden Jul 6 2016, 04:19 AM

This thread is an embarrassment to the forum

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 6 2016, 06:24 AM

Little effort is needed to display sadistic traits,a common affliction.
https://www.google.ca/#q=electroshock+ethics+test+Milgram+experiment

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=electro+shock+psychological+experiment+ethical&tbm=vid

Before posting,curb your tongue by jamming a fork into the top of it,as you draw it out with a common set of pliers.
Then,consider the topic of the thread,and make some contribution,rather than a rabid coyote bark.

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https://www.youtube.com/results?q=split+tongue
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http://gas2.org/2011/10/23/me-gusta-porsche-boxter-s-ecologic-runs-on-lpg/
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=auto+propane+conversion
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=lpg%20conversion%20usa%20porsche
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=lpg+conversion+uk+porsche+944
https://www.google.ca/search?q=porsche+type+4+heads&espv=2&biw=960&bih=481&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOoYWqjd_NAhULw4MKHayPAuwQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=K7v8zu-MRwl-8M%3A
http://www.ahnendorp.com/info/Up-to-date.html
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Posted by: DBCooper Jul 6 2016, 11:43 AM

Veek, it's not "sadistic," it's regular old parenting. You can keep doing it for him if you choose, that's fine, but be aware that you're not doing him any favors. One of these days he has to learn how to do it for himself, stop depending on others, become an adult.

Hey Matt, you have a point. Nothing to be gained, he's now on my "ignore" list.

Posted by: matthepcat Jul 6 2016, 11:48 AM

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 6 2016, 03:28 PM

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=sadomasochistic+behavior

"...Yes, my dad is DBCooper. Yes, he’s just as weird in real life. Maybe weirder.
And yes, I have many emotional, mental, and physical scars from being raised by him.
..."

DBCooper,a man of empathy and compassion,here on the world.

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Some of you have no plan to adopt the cheaper,cleaner fuel and therefore have no bone,or stake,in the subject.
A common affliction among men,the follower gene,is the bandwagon personality,lemming like.
Innovation,the thrust of the world's evolution is the product of nonconformists,'thinking outside of the box'.
Without ideas actually means 'Without a clue',destined to live a life of mundane conformity,average and less.
Looking to wean themselves off the Opec 'tit',some have decided that the lpg/ng/h way has great advantage.
In fact,I believe the benefits are so great,that sanctioning bodes would disallow the fuel for competition.
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https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=marine%20lpg%20propane%20engine
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=aviation+lpg+propane
Clearly,few have made the conversion to the lighter gasses for their aircooled engines.
We would have found some reference here on the inet,looking.
A built na engine would display great performance and fuel efficiency,as well as extended longevity,as the carbon fouling would be absent.
So,a plan to rebuild the aircooled engine of your ride,for gasses use,would appear as a smart move,for the future,and all good.
One could construe that I have some interest in the subject,and hence the small effort made to bone up on the use.
Ignorant,irrational and reactionary mouthings usually signifies an underlying dysfunction,and should be suppressed,
shaved and destroyed,like zombies and methheads.

/

Posted by: DBCooper Jul 6 2016, 03:39 PM

Wait, my son jokes and you use that as some perverted justification to call me a sadomasochist? Am I understanding you correctly? I advise you to choose your words very carefully.

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 6 2016, 04:19 PM

You may infer whatever you like,I've made my observations over the past decades and more.
Nothing to contribute to the subject,and have been offended by a sharp defense.
How very inconvenient,that you now wish to debate some other irrelevant subject,that you opened yourself.
Posting aggressively provocative,derisive and plain witless statements is a tenet of freedom.
Only some people can post like that on site,one might deduce,not that they should.
Give a poke,take a poke.That is the way of all things in our world,as with civility.

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'Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. ...'
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Posted by: DBCooper Jul 6 2016, 05:21 PM

Clarity is not your strength, Veek, so I'm not sure I understand your point(s). Let me try to clarify. The thread title is “Running on LPG,” then subtitled “probably done but not finding it.” Keeping that “I’m not finding it” in mind, there are a dozen links suggested in the thread, then your post contains another half dozen. So tell me, were those links difficult for you to find? Of course not. The other dozen? Of course not. They were all easy to find for anyone who expended even the minimum effort to look for them. This is the third or fourth thread where he’s done that, asked others to search for information he could easily find himself. That’s childish bullshit, so I (and others) called him on it.

That was a question of forum etiquette. You might have an argument with that, which is fine, but that’s very different than you or anyone else making a personal insult, especially one that infers mental health issues. That’s ugly, and it’s really upping the ante. I asked you to choose your words carefully, so that’s your considered response? A personal insult?

Posted by: Chris914n6 Jul 6 2016, 05:58 PM

Oh, so you're young. That's embarrassing. My 70 year old mother has better internet skills.

Sorry. I gave you a chance. You blew it. No more of my limited free time for you.

Posted by: injunmort Jul 6 2016, 06:19 PM

no skin in the game here, considering the source, op could have read "anyone run jato bottles and won a darwin award. i am sure its been done, just can't find it."

Posted by: 76-914 Jul 6 2016, 06:22 PM

Hey Paul, how's it going. Smart move, Pal. As soon as I spotted him I hit that button faster than a Family Feud Contestant! Funny thing is I enjoy his threads since his comments have vanished. I crack up reading most of the responses, however. Now when I read his threads (sans him) his "trollism" is apparent. Question: Did Freaky & Deeky form an alliance? I can't tell with both of them blocked. Peace out Bro. Hope to catch you at an upcoming event.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 6 2016, 07:02 PM

So now I'm not on Ignore?

I knew you couldn't stay away..

Posted by: porschetub Jul 6 2016, 07:47 PM

,this guy loves being pissed off by people and that is very strange human behavour,somewhat of a worry really,jeez the Pelican guys would nuke him ....I noticed folks on here are more polite to a point and then...................

Posted by: OU812 Jul 6 2016, 07:55 PM

Ahhhh why so craggy Mate?

Posted by: BeatNavy Jul 6 2016, 08:36 PM

I'm guessing it may have something to do with the fact that you were a bit of a dick to him a couple weeks back.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 6 2016, 08:43 PM

I apologize for that, I guess I was a dick to you as well.

Maybe this forum stuff isn't for me.

Posted by: stugray Jul 7 2016, 12:32 PM

The funniest part (to ME) is that I had no interest in the subject so I avoided this thread.
It wasnt until I noticed it brought up in the sandbox that I came back to see what all the controversy was about.
You people that are all over OU812 can just choose to not read his threads.
It is a very simple concept.
The fact that you spend so much time arguing with him and correcting his 'inappropriate internet behavior" is pathetic and reminds me of the bullies in school that picked on the "weird kids".

It is like the "looky loos" that will hold up traffic to try to catch a glimpse of a dead body in a traffic accident and hold up traffic for everyone else.
Just move along and let it be.

I have been on this forum for 7 years and dont recall ANYONE asking about LPG powered 914s.

Sometimes I want to carry on a conversation about a topic and not just get a google search result on a topic.
If that concept is sooo foreign to some on this forum, then perhaps YOU are the ones that need to reevaluate your membership on an INTERNET FORUM.
Since an internet forum is MORE than just a perfectly organized repository for information, it is a place for people to carry on conversations and ask questions that (OMG NO!) MIGHT have been asked before...

Is OU812 somewhat abrasive and even immature in his responses on occasion?
Yes.
However I know more than one of our members that also has that distinction (including myself) but also contributes A LOT to the overall knowledge base here.

So while I agree that OU812 acts like he needs attention, I also agree that SOME of the other members embarrass this forum more than HE does.

Posted by: DBCooper Jul 7 2016, 01:04 PM

You just looked at this thread again? Then you may have missed the photos he posted flipping birds at everyone then threatening to put his foot up people's asses. That's all been removed.

Or did you see that?

Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 7 2016, 01:52 PM

Missed it. DAMN! Sounds like the posting could have warranted some time in the corner while wearing a dunce cap. Others have been given a 'time out' for less.

Posted by: Racer Chris Jul 7 2016, 02:14 PM

Like everything else, it just takes practice.

Posted by: 914_teener Jul 7 2016, 03:26 PM

So you were in the Sandbox and then you were a "Lookie Loo"?


I humbly disagee Stu.

You don.t go into an elevator fart....and then see who reacts.

That is pathalogical ....on the internet or not.

It wasn.t ever about the subject matter....it was about the smell and some folks didn.t like it and said something about it.

If he/she was given a time out....then that is ok in my book..IMHO. I put him on ignore a while back.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 7 2016, 03:40 PM

It really did not start that way in the beginning.

But after posting a few threads, eventually the post was hijacked and became a post on how could I even ask such a thing or insesently asking if I had or even tried to use the Search function.

I think there is almost only so much any reasonable person can take regarding this stuff before they become a little agitated and "act out". I just could not let it stand and had to show all the people who were piling on that even though I was one guy I could give it out pretty good.

I know there are many here that will want to hold a grudge and that's ok, but I am hoping there are just as many or more who are willing to give me a second chance.

Posted by: DBCooper Jul 7 2016, 04:12 PM

"Who? Me?" Seriously? It suddenly "just happened"? That's your explanation, your defense? Do you really believe that?

This isn't the first, it's the forth or fifth thread you've been asked, in the beginning very subtly, nicely, to act more responsibly. Hell, there's an entire THREAD making fun of you: "The next thread from OU812, How long until he posts this?" http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=288487&st=0 that starts out "'So, I'm thinking of getting some parts from this outfit called Automobile Atlanta. Has anyone heard of them? What does everyone think of them?' I figure he'll be posting that in less than a month. Any other guesses?" A thread started by some maladjusted rabble-rouser who has it in for you, no doubt.

Through five threads you ignored the subtle hints, the more direct hints, the suggestions, advice, and so on. Then it blew up and now it's "Who? Me?" You can't be serious.

Since you're only fourteen years old you have an excuse, but tell you what, you go flipping birds in people's faces in real life, not on the internet, and it won't turn out well for you. More very good advice that you can also ignore.

I'm curious to see how this will turn out so I'll watch, but you're now on my "ignore" list, so from now on I'm good.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 7 2016, 04:49 PM

Guess I found one grudge holder ...its ok, I'm good with it DB.

Posted by: stugray Jul 7 2016, 04:54 PM

So we have an emoticon for flipping the bird which is fine (finger fired for effect, not direct at DBCooper :-).
But a picture of a person doing precisely the same thing is completely over the line?
Got it.

(maybe having that emoticon sets a bad precedent?? )

Has anyone seen "Gran Torino" with Clint Eastwood where he takes the kid to the barber shop to teach him how to "talk shit" properly?
OU812 hasnt had that lesson yet. (maybe he should watch that movie)

Posted by: DBCooper Jul 7 2016, 05:05 PM

Stu, that's an emoticon. A cartoon. It's little, it's cute. And yes, that's very different than a big in your face Johnny Cash "FUCK YOU!!" It was intended differently and was received exactly as it was intended.

Posted by: DBCooper Jul 7 2016, 05:11 PM

It's not a "grudge," I've identified an asshole, that's all.


Stu, that's an emoticon. A cartoon. It's little, it's cute, it waves at you. And yes, that's very different than a big in your face Johnny Cash "FUCK YOU!!" That's the message he intended and was received exactly as it was intended.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 7 2016, 05:22 PM

Ok....I"m the Ass hole.

Posted by: DBCooper Jul 7 2016, 05:29 PM

No, you're right, calling you an asshole was uncalled for and I take it back. I've identified what to me is a profound irritation and waste of time, and have taken steps to distance myself from it.

Adeus.

Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 7 2016, 05:59 PM

I think you guys got played a bit. Revenge? Nah. A little FU? Maybe.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 7 2016, 06:07 PM

That is your right and I respect it.

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 8 2016, 12:09 AM

Toroidal pressure vessel.

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=someone+on+the+internet+is+wrong
https://www.google.ca/#q=electroshock+ethics+test+Milgram+experiment
The conclusion of the tests then is,that 65/100 persons will administer a fatal jolt,if so suggested by a 'person of authority'.
Therefore,the same majority,given the opportunity to inflict harm,will do so,a trait armies depend on.
The causality,anthropologists may eventually determine,is the primal,reptilian vestiges of our modern brains,
Having that behaviour displayed online is illuminating,further corroborating the experiment's results.
Inet role and war game playing are additional venues for the observation and experimenting of human behaviour,like lab chimps.
Evidently,an auto forum too,is such a channel to draw conclusions from,the studied activity interesting,as some have nothing to do with autos.
Rather,the impetus to compell others to 'do what I tell you',signifies some buried'authority gene',demonstrated by dictators,over all history.
The Sadistic/Masochistic reference was made to the 65% of you that enjoy thumping and jumping newbies,a 'fun'derived from a lack of basic social skills.
No-one in particular was the target.That someone popped up to make a defense of the 'piling',just means the experiment's data is correct.
Apologizing,then offending,and or the reverse,is a subversive move,the intent plain to see.
That you would still do it as an adult only means you have never been called on it,or suffered the consequences.
'It's OK,I didn't do anything wrong'is the phrase often heard when such men are confronted,in an attempt to avoid those consequences.
Sadly,throughout the entire human experience,we have been forced to protect those unable and destroy those who would subjugate them.
That is the price of freedom,the certainty that the battle must be made,and knowing that the outcome is dependant on the conviction with which you hold your mores.
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https://www.google.ca/search?q=propane+ng+h2+lpg+tank&espv=2&biw=960&bih=481&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMuMvBiuPNAhWF7YMKHfhxDwIQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=lpg+tank+toroidal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogas
http://www.elgas.com.au/autogas-lpg-cars
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=lpg%20autogas%20canada
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=lpg+autogas+usa

So yeah,the market share that lpg/ng/H2 takes is quite small today,it will grow and for good reason.
Get your shares soon.

Posted by: DBCooper Jul 8 2016, 07:00 AM

And you're still sitting there in a tinfoil helmet pecking at the keyboard. Telling.

I could google up a dozen references to histronic paranoia, splitting and projection, make similarly baseless inferences, and appear to be almost equally delusional. Almost. But why?

You know sometimes human beings act like assholes or children, other people notice and they get called on it, and that's all it is. It's really that simple, a facet of normal human interchange. Keep observing, Veek, hopefully one of these days it will become clear to you.

No value here, none. Onto the ignore list. Done and dusted.

Posted by: 76-914 Jul 8 2016, 07:30 AM

About time Paul. You said that earlier. Glad you finally TtTO. (Turned the Troll ((or Turd)) Off.

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 8 2016, 08:21 AM

Two perfect examples of adolescent name-calling and total lack of focus on the subject of the thread.
In the child's schoolyard the first to offend wins,traits displayed here,for you.
Thank you both for leaving the dialog,nothing to add,nothing to say,nothing.

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Concentrate on the heading,it's about the gas,man.
Some good info dug up and some new tech for the digital metering of the light fuels.
A terrific application would be the marine engine,a supplement to the diesel.
A number of Cayennes have made the conversions and I would guess the boosted engines have the greatest advantage.
https://www.google.ca/?ion=1&espv=2#q=diesel+propane+injection
A two fuel engine?How much better are they?

Gonna be some time before the results return from the first users.
Stay tuned.

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Posted by: Perry Kiehl Clone Jul 8 2016, 11:39 PM

I have a 40+ year old Hyster that was converted to propane long before I got the machine. It's got a fairly low compression Continental industrial 4 cyl engine, and it's been a great little lift truck. We had a band truck that was gasoline and LP that ran great on LP. This thread piqued my curiosity, and then came the tar baby. geez :/

Posted by: porschetub Jul 9 2016, 12:41 AM

I guess you are but really you long for someone to agree/disagree with you and your somewhat strange concepts and idea's,however appears you are getting up the nose of many on here,get a life our go and work on your 914 bud.

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 14 2016, 11:15 AM

Today,it is becoming more socially acceptable to LPG.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RPIEngineering/videos

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Posted by: OU812 Jul 14 2016, 01:46 PM

I know Veek

But now that it could be considerd as a viable alternate the skeptics that were so vocal in their disapproval of me and the Question that was asked have grown silent.

Posted by: Rand Jul 14 2016, 01:55 PM

I was convinced your were juvenile. Now I'm convinced you should seek help. You keep bringing all this back to you. That's a red flag. You need to seek help and understand why you do this.

Asperger's has been suggested. Now I'm wondering if there some narcissism in the cards. Get some help. We will be here for you.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 14 2016, 02:56 PM

Some folks just cannot admit when they are wrong.

Rather than have a open mind and say "maybe it is something to consider"

So instead of casting aspersions regarding my charchter or my age, maybe you could contribute like many others have.....

Posted by: Rand Jul 15 2016, 03:09 PM

I'm often wrong!
I'm so open minded, my brain falls out.
No aspersion intended, definitely not an attack on your character. Just thought some help might be a good idea. A contribution.

Posted by: OU812 Jul 15 2016, 05:48 PM

I feel bad for you. I pray you get help, especially with that brain falling out thing.

Now back to that Running on LPG subject

Posted by: zambezi Jul 15 2016, 06:58 PM

Not LPG but natural gas. Also not a 914, but still interesting. I would think it would be a similar conversion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeRg217H_3A

Posted by: OU812 Jul 15 2016, 07:15 PM

Thinking the issue with using Nat gas is it needs to be used at a higher PSI than LPG, making it more difficult to deal with from a delivery and Safety standpoint.

LPG stays liquid at a lower Pressure, than Nat Gas. Probably why you see most applications using the LPG.