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Posted by: Rsjg911 Aug 26 2016, 10:02 AM
Hi All:
I have some gas smell in my garage after I park the car. I don't see any gas leaking and thought it might be the gas cap gasket or charcoal canister or lines to the canister. The injector seem fine. The car is a 1974 2.0 L.
Two questions: Any recommendations where I can source a NOS or high quality charcoal canister and required lines ?
Am I missing something as to the gas smell?
Thanks!
Ron
Posted by: dflesburg Aug 26 2016, 10:05 AM
if you really want to there was a thread on the bird about how to rebuild one.
Posted by: Rsjg911 Aug 26 2016, 10:22 AM
if you really want to there was a thread on the bird about how to rebuild one.
Never heard of The Bird. Can you give me more info or a link?
Thanks!
Posted by: boxsterfan Aug 26 2016, 10:23 AM
I had similar smell. There is a gasket under the fuel filler neck and a gasket under the sending unit that I replaced (you can get these rubber gaskets from 914rubber.com). These seems to fix the smell for me.
As referenced, there is an article on how to refill the cannister (get activated charcoal from a local pet store.)
Also note that I replaced every single vacuum line up there (and in the engine bay).
Finally, if you still have smell, you may have a leak underneath at the fuel lines and/or you may have a pinhole leak in the tank itself. For example on the pinhole leak, if the hole was halfway up the tank and you would smell gas more readily after filling up..
Posted by: boxsterfan Aug 26 2016, 10:27 AM
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=108524
Excellent thread.
Posted by: Rsjg911 Aug 26 2016, 02:20 PM
Thanks folks. All good info.
Does anyone know where to source NOS or aftermarket charcoal canisters?
Posted by: boxsterfan Aug 26 2016, 02:38 PM
Thanks folks. All good info.
Does anyone know where to source NOS or aftermarket charcoal canisters?
I didn't think they were made anymore? You could check a local VW Parts shop. Or put up a WTB in the classifieds. Part# is 113 201 813B I think.
Otherwise, if you can get a hold of some activated charcoal (about 2lbs) from a pet store (or amazon), you can do the replenishing job yourself in about 30 minutes.
Posted by: boxsterfan Aug 26 2016, 02:42 PM
Here's a nice used one for $75 if you have money burning a hole in your pocket.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-NICE-USED-ORIGINAL-GENUINE-PORSCHE-911-914-CHARCOAL-CANISTER-NLA-/281686247096?hash=item4195cf06b8:g:6lcAAOSwstxVTJZ2&vxp=mtr
Here is another:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-NICE-USED-ORIGINAL-GENUINE-PORSCHE-911-914-914-6-CHARCOAL-CANISTER-NLA/361291062839?_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38701%26meid%3Dc6d0d092b2ac461f9c66f578f302e82b%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26mehot%3Dlo%26sd%3D281686247096
Note the second one is from earlier years. It is much more difficult to refill because you have to drill holes. The first one you can simply take apart (carefully).
Posted by: boxsterfan Aug 26 2016, 02:47 PM
Hmmmm....maybe they are still made?
http://www.porschepartssuperstore.com/product-p/113-201-801-b.htm
Says part number has change to:
http://www.porschepartssuperstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1H0-201-801-C ($110!!!!!)
Posted by: Rsjg911 Aug 26 2016, 02:50 PM
Hi Bixterfan:
Yes, I saw those on EBay but figured they are spent by now. I am considering rebuilding my current fliter but wanted to "put it out there" first for a NOS or good aftermarket source in case someone had one.
Thanks!
Ron
Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 26 2016, 05:38 PM
If you redo yours, get the charcoal in the pellet type. Not the aquarium chunk. When I bought some sourced thru Amazon it was pretty cheap.
Posted by: Dave_Darling Aug 26 2016, 08:35 PM
74 was a transition year; the earlier 74s had the two vacuum lines running along the driver's side rocker and the canister was on top of the fuel tank, while the later ones had the single small line through the center tunnel and the canister was in the engine bay.
Double-check which you have; it would be easiest to put the system back to how it originally was.
--DD
Posted by: Rsjg911 Aug 26 2016, 09:33 PM
74 was a transition year; the earlier 74s had the two vacuum lines running along the driver's side rocker and the canister was on top of the fuel tank, while the later ones had the single small line through the center tunnel and the canister was in the engine bay.
Double-check which you have; it would be easiest to put the system back to how it originally was.
--DD
Thanks Dave. My car was manufactured 10/73 (it's a 1974) and the plastic canister is in the frunk in front of the driver, not on top of the fuel tank. It has 2 lines on one end, 1 on the other.
Part #113 201 823A on one side, #113 201 813 on the otger.
Ron
Posted by: Amphicar770 Aug 27 2016, 08:28 AM
Here is link to charcoal pellets. This bag is just the right size.
https://www.amazon.com/Acurel-LLC-Economy-Activated-Pellets/dp/B000YIWT0M
That said, I doubt this is source of fuel smell. Probably time to pull the tank / replace lines and hoses.
Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 27 2016, 08:42 AM
That be the product.
Posted by: Rsjg911 Aug 27 2016, 09:13 AM
Here is link to charcoal pellets. This bag is just the right size.
https://www.amazon.com/Acurel-LLC-Economy-Activated-Pellets/dp/B000YIWT0M
That said, I doubt this is source of fuel smell. Probably time to pull the tank / replace lines and hoses.
Thanks Amphicar! I'll get some.
What part of PA are you from? I grew up in Pgh.
Ron
Posted by: Dave_Darling Aug 27 2016, 02:28 PM
If you're saying that it is in front of the bulkhead and is in the trunk proper, it has been moved. It should be on top of the tank. Here is a pic of the early-style location:
You can see it between the fuel tank's evap chamber and the brake fluid reservoir. Black with a silver band around it.
--DD
Posted by: Rsjg911 Aug 27 2016, 03:56 PM
If you're saying that it is in front of the bulkhead and is in the trunk proper, it has been moved. It should be on top of the tank. Here is a pic of the early-style location:
You can see it between the fuel tank's evap chamber and the brake fluid reservoir. Black with a silver band around it.
--DD
No Dave, my mistake. It IS on top of the gas tank exactly where yous is located in the picture. Sorry.
Ron
Posted by: carcus Aug 28 2016, 11:34 PM
Great post and great info. Thanks!!!!
Posted by: pbanders Oct 16 2016, 07:34 PM
Great thread and question: suggestions on how to open the early (1970) metal canisters so that you can recharge them, without destroying the canister?
Posted by: cwpeden Oct 16 2016, 08:17 PM
if you really want to there was a thread on the bird about how to rebuild one.
Never heard of The Bird. Can you give me more info or a link?
Thanks!
The Bird is Pelican Parts http://www.pelicanparts.com/ They have a bunch of forums and tech articles for German Brands
Posted by: Pursang Oct 18 2016, 11:32 PM
This has been a very informative thread. Thanks to all of the contributors. Putting this chore on my "to do" list.
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