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Posted by: porsche-tom Aug 26 2016, 03:27 PM
Here is my new clock/track timer. It's out of a Soviet mig fully mechanical no wiring needed
Posted by: JustinMeier Aug 26 2016, 04:19 PM
All you need now is an air speed indicator
Posted by: Tom_T Aug 26 2016, 04:21 PM
Dah, Aviatorski alzo!
I think I've probably seen those in some MIGs on static display at various SoCal Airshows a couple of times since the `60's - well no Migs til the `80's - but don't recall picking one out as such specifically, on their panels.
Which model & era MIG is it out of?
Very cool!
Tom
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Posted by: Tom_T Aug 26 2016, 04:23 PM
QUOTE(JustinMeier @ Aug 26 2016, 03:19 PM)
All you need now is an air speed indicator
Frankly, I think he needs the Attitude Indicator first - judging by his pic above!
Tom
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Posted by: porsche-tom Aug 26 2016, 05:00 PM
I should install a pitot tube
Posted by: Tom_T Aug 26 2016, 05:05 PM
QUOTE(porsche-tom @ Aug 26 2016, 04:00 PM)
I should install a pitot tube
And one of those vintage aircraft air driven generators for the other instruments!
Tom, do you know which MIG it came out of??
Tom
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Posted by: messix Aug 26 2016, 05:36 PM
he needs an artificial horizon.... he might be able to fly level then
Posted by: porsche-tom Aug 26 2016, 05:37 PM
I couldn't say for sure it was made in the late 60s I'm sure there are quite a few models it could have been used with
Posted by: shoguneagle Aug 26 2016, 06:06 PM
Funny you mentioned an Altimeter! I have one I carry in the Porsche. Do you have an aircraft compass? Got one of those too. Broke my air speed indicator in a vertical climb, spin, and stall at 25,000 feet in the 914! OH! Was that the nightmare the other night?L)L!!
Seriously, I do have a WWII compompass installed in the the 914 and have a Altimeter in the Glove Box. Now I NEED THE CLOCK/TIMER!
Love Aviation stuff
Steve hurt
A&P FAA Licensed
Posted by: Steve Aug 26 2016, 06:57 PM
Elleeut fly's. I think he has a sopwith camel or was that snoopy?
Posted by: Elliot Cannon Aug 26 2016, 07:13 PM
Last year I saw a 747 clock on ebay. It came from N502UP. I thought it looked familiar so I checked back in my log book and I had flown that very airplane. Like a dummy I didn't buy it. I've seen the MIG clocks sometimes on ebay as well.
Posted by: JustinMeier Aug 26 2016, 07:27 PM
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Aug 26 2016, 06:13 PM)
Last year I saw a 747 clock on ebay. It came from N502UP. I thought it looked familiar so I checked back in my log book and I had flown that very airplane. Like a dummy I didn't buy it.
I've seen the MIG clocks sometimes on ebay as well.
UPS eh?
Must have been nice flying cargo instead of passengers. A package can't complain when you drop on to the runway
Posted by: wndsnd Aug 26 2016, 07:48 PM
I like that, looks good!
Posted by: My 914 Aug 26 2016, 07:52 PM
That's sharp! Its functional and goes very well with the other instruments in the dash.
Posted by: JustinMeier Aug 27 2016, 01:55 PM
QUOTE(Z356 @ Aug 27 2016, 10:47 AM)
I love ....
Hi neighbor!
Posted by: kkid Aug 27 2016, 02:28 PM
How did you get a black widow in your shift knob? Asking because I want one with a grasshopper. Sorry, it's off the topic.
Posted by: RobW Aug 27 2016, 02:38 PM
I've been collecting WWII bomber gauges for my project....
Posted by: Tom_T Aug 27 2016, 04:02 PM
QUOTE(messix @ Aug 26 2016, 04:36 PM)
he needs an artificial horizon.... he might be able to fly level then
I thought I already said that!?
"An attitude indicator (AI), also known as gyro horizon or artificial horizon or attitude director indicator (ADI, when it has a Flight Director), is an instrument used in an aircraft to inform the pilot of the orientation of the aircraft relative to Earth's horizon"
Tom
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Posted by: Tom_T Aug 27 2016, 04:06 PM
QUOTE(kkid @ Aug 27 2016, 01:28 PM)
How did you get a black widow in your shift knob? Asking because I want one with a grasshopper. Sorry, it's off the topic.
They used to sell those cast resin knobs with Black Widows, etc. for VWs etc. back in the 1960's & 70's & were sorta common on Meyers Manxs & Dune Buggies too.
You could probably custom mold one with a Grasshopper for yours, & then use a strong adhesive to mount it to a proper metal mounting collar from another old used 914 shift knob at reasonable cost.
Tom
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Posted by: porsche-tom Aug 27 2016, 04:07 PM
The spider is real a red back spider a guy in Australia collects them and makes shift knobs . Customredback.com .he might take requests
Posted by: Tom_T Aug 27 2016, 04:08 PM
QUOTE(RobW @ Aug 27 2016, 01:38 PM)
I've been collecting WWII bomber gauges for my project....
Rob - that would be cool to mount something from a B-24 in your Dad's car!
You could probably modify an old 914 ashtray with a VDO 2 Gauge Mount over where the dash buffer piece goes onto the ashtray for an easily put back to stock mount for 1-2 gauges from the B24 like your Dad flew.
Tom
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Posted by: Vysoc Aug 27 2016, 04:17 PM
Love it very cool!!!!!
Vysoc
Posted by: mb911 Aug 27 2016, 04:46 PM
Very cool.. I remember a 66 912 my dad once had that came with a altimeter .. It was factory installed.
Posted by: RobW Aug 27 2016, 04:50 PM
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Aug 27 2016, 03:08 PM)
QUOTE(RobW @ Aug 27 2016, 01:38 PM)
I've been collecting WWII bomber gauges for my project....
Rob - that would be cool to mount something from a B-24 in your Dad's car!
You could probably modify an old 914 ashtray with a VDO 2 Gauge Mount over where the dash buffer piece goes onto the ashtray for an easily put back to stock mount for 1-2 gauges from the B24 like your Dad flew.
Tom
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Exactly. It would be great to find a yoke as well..
Posted by: oakdalecurtis Aug 27 2016, 04:51 PM
A little off the path, but Stoli Russian Vodka used to campaign a pair of MIG jets painted in Stoli Red for advertising. When we saw the two Stoli MIGS at the Reno Air Races years ago, the two jets looked sharp from a distance. But if you got up close and looked down along the fuselage, their metal body panels looked like they were hammered out individually on an anvil with a sledge hammer. (Maybe they were). The MIG body panels were so bumpy from one to the next that it made our USA jets look like they were machined out of a single billet of steel. I think Ivan's strategy has always been quantity over quality. But I guess the bumps helped the airflow over the MIGS, as they flew beautifully!
Posted by: Tom_T Aug 27 2016, 05:12 PM
QUOTE(mb911 @ Aug 27 2016, 03:46 PM)
Very cool.. I remember a 66 912 my dad once had that came with a altimeter .. It was factory installed.
That probably came in handy to re-jet the carbs if you lived or went to high altitude mountain areas often!
Tom
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Posted by: Tom_T Aug 27 2016, 05:21 PM
QUOTE(oakdalecurtis @ Aug 27 2016, 03:51 PM)
A little off the path, but Stoli Russian Vodka used to campaign a pair of MIG jets painted in Stoli Red for advertising. When we saw the two Stoli MIGS at the Reno Air Races years ago, the two jets looked sharp from a distance. But if you got up close and looked down along the fuselage, their metal body panels looked like they were hammered out individually on an anvil with a sledge hammer. (Maybe they were). The MIG body panels were so bumpy from one to the next that it made our USA jets look like they were machined out of a single billet of steel. I think Ivan's strategy has always been quantity over quality. But I guess the bumps helped the airflow over the MIGS, as they flew beautifully!
Actually Curtis, from what an old Korean War F-86 pilot I knew had said (now deceased), it was that lesser build quality wrinkled skin that gave our slicker aerodynamically F-86 Sabre Jets an edge over those MIG-15s - as well as the use of the full unit stabilators (replaced the earlier fixed horizontal stabilizers with elevators) on the later F-86s resolving the dive & high speed maneuverability problem.
Yes, they were more crudely semi-hand made aircraft, at lower cost than any of ours of that era.
I think that the actor Michael Dorn who played Worf on Startrek TNG has/had a later MIG (17 or a trainer IIRC) which he flew, & was at some of the Miramar NAS/MCAS air shows with it back in the 90's.
Cool Pic!
Tom
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Posted by: oakdalecurtis Aug 28 2016, 09:13 PM
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Aug 27 2016, 04:21 PM)
QUOTE(oakdalecurtis @ Aug 27 2016, 03:51 PM)
A little off the path, but Stoli Russian Vodka used to campaign a pair of MIG jets painted in Stoli Red for advertising. When we saw the two Stoli MIGS at the Reno Air Races years ago, the two jets looked sharp from a distance. But if you got up close and looked down along the fuselage, their metal body panels looked like they were hammered out individually on an anvil with a sledge hammer. (Maybe they were). The MIG body panels were so bumpy from one to the next that it made our USA jets look like they were machined out of a single billet of steel. I think Ivan's strategy has always been quantity over quality. But I guess the bumps helped the airflow over the MIGS, as they flew beautifully!
Actually Curtis, from what an old Korean War F-86 pilot I knew had said (now deceased), it was that lesser build quality wrinkled skin that gave our slicker aerodynamically F-86 Sabre Jets an edge over those MIG-15s - as well as the use of the full unit stabilators (replaced the earlier fixed horizontal stabilizers with elevators) on the later F-86s resolving the dive & high speed maneuverability problem.
Yes, they were more crudely semi-hand made aircraft, at lower cost than any of ours of that era.
I think that the actor Michael Dorn who played Worf on Startrek TNG has/had a later MIG (17 or a trainer IIRC) which he flew, & was at some of the Miramar NAS/MCAS air shows with it back in the 90's.
Cool Pic!
Tom
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Hi Tom, I agree, but the wrinkled skin might act like dimples on a golf ball, but not compared to our slick hardware. I think you could buy used Russian MIGs for very cheap, the cost was to maintain and fly them.
Posted by: Elliot Cannon Aug 28 2016, 10:01 PM
QUOTE(JustinMeier @ Aug 26 2016, 06:27 PM)
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Aug 26 2016, 06:13 PM)
Last year I saw a 747 clock on ebay. It came from N502UP. I thought it looked familiar so I checked back in my log book and I had flown that very airplane. Like a dummy I didn't buy it.
I've seen the MIG clocks sometimes on ebay as well.
UPS eh?
Must have been nice flying cargo instead of passengers. A package can't complain when you drop on to the runway
Uuuumm. Drop WHAT on the runway??
Posted by: Elliot Cannon Aug 28 2016, 10:04 PM
An interesting thing about the MIG. You can see a broad white stripe painted on the instrument panel. If the airplane went into a spin, you were to place the control stick over that stripe. And hope for the best.
Posted by: Tom_T Aug 29 2016, 01:50 PM
QUOTE(oakdalecurtis @ Aug 28 2016, 08:13 PM)
I think you could buy used Russian MIGs for very cheap, the cost was to maintain and fly them.
Well not for the Russians, Chinese & other "Red" countries - they probably still have warehouses full of parts over there, & they were made "rough & ready" to be maintained & repaired on dirt strips with minimal facilities.
Kinda like the AK47 of the air - not so pretty but works most of the time & cheap/easy to repair - compared to our higher tech & tighter tolerances stuff.
Geez, their "lesser allies" were still flying them at the time of the break-up!
Tom
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Posted by: oakdalecurtis Aug 29 2016, 01:56 PM
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Aug 29 2016, 12:50 PM)
QUOTE(oakdalecurtis @ Aug 28 2016, 08:13 PM)
I think you could buy used Russian MIGs for very cheap, the cost was to maintain and fly them.
Well not for the Russians, Chinese & other "Red" countries - they probably still have warehouses full of parts over there, & they were made "rough & ready" to be maintained & repaired on dirt strips with minimal facilities.
Kinda like the AK47 of the air - not so pretty but works most of the time & cheap/easy to repair - compared to our higher tech & tighter tolerances stuff.
Geez, their "lesser allies" were still flying them at the time of the break-up!
Tom
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Hey Tom, isn't part of Ivan's strategy always been quantity over quality, whether it's men or machines?
Posted by: Tom_T Aug 29 2016, 02:18 PM
QUOTE(oakdalecurtis @ Aug 29 2016, 12:56 PM)
Hey Tom, isn't part of Ivan's strategy always been quantity over quality, whether it's men or machines?
Masses of T34s stopped Hitler's Blitzkrieg on the Steppes - & before that, they just threw millions of people at them!
Tom
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Posted by: Dave_Darling Aug 29 2016, 02:30 PM
QUOTE(oakdalecurtis @ Aug 28 2016, 08:13 PM)
... the wrinkled skin might act like dimples on a golf ball...
Those only work when the ball is spinning. If the MiG is spinning, it has other things to worry about...
--DD
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