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Posted by: North Coast Jim Sep 15 2016, 10:52 AM
New build just finished. Engine runs and a few items remain to be sorted out such as carb jetting and final timing. Issue is the starter turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. I'm using the original relay board and jumpered across per a previous posting for ground location, see attachment. Bought and installed the Tangerine Racing carb conversion fuel pump with SS lines and installed it under the steering rack. Ran 12V wiring thru tunnel where the old return line was. I also bought a rebuilt Bosch starter and alternator from Pelican and a new alternator harness for Jeff Bowlsby which included the wiring for the starter. New Hot lead to the starter as well. New battery, a red top Optima. Any guidance on a fix is appreciated. Ignition switch ???? How to fix ?? 
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Posted by: 914Sixer Sep 15 2016, 10:58 AM
Transmission ground strap in place and clean? Battery ground strap clean? Bolt area cleaned off for good contact in both locations?
Posted by: Rand Sep 15 2016, 11:16 AM
Cranks, but just slowly... Does it do the same with jumper cables from a running car? I wouldn't think ignition switch because when they fail it typically won't crank at all.
Posted by: rhodyguy Sep 15 2016, 02:46 PM
So slowly the engine won't start? Did you check the voltage on your new optima? Did you clean up the bat terminal clamps and the chassis grounds?
Posted by: Dave_Darling Sep 15 2016, 05:18 PM
Does the engine turn over by hand?
--DD
Posted by: Toast Sep 15 2016, 05:23 PM
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Posted by: Toast Sep 15 2016, 05:23 PM
Check starter amp and grounds. What oil are you using and what is the weather temp where you are?
Posted by: injunmort Sep 15 2016, 06:12 PM
unless he filled the crankcase with grease, the oil has no effect on this condition, check the grounds and connection, make sure you have 12volts out of battery and 12volts at starter
Posted by: Mike Bellis Sep 15 2016, 06:27 PM
How old is the battery cable to the starter?
Posted by: injunmort Sep 15 2016, 07:33 PM
op states new^
Posted by: North Coast Jim Sep 16 2016, 07:01 AM
New build just finished. Engine runs and a few items remain to be sorted out such as carb jetting and final timing. Issue is the starter turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. I'm using the original relay board and jumpered across per a previous posting for ground location, see attachment. Bought and installed the Tangerine Racing carb conversion fuel pump with SS lines and installed it under the steering rack. Ran 12V wiring thru tunnel where the old return line was. I also bought a rebuilt Bosch starter and alternator from Pelican and a new alternator harness for Jeff Bowlsby which included the wiring for the starter. New Hot lead to the starter as well. New battery, a red top Optima. Any guidance on a fix is appreciated. Ignition switch ???? How to fix ??
Engine starts and runs, very well I must add. Battery is new Optima red top. Cable to starter is also new. Ground strap to the transmission is installed. Didn't think that any grounds would/could be at issue as all are new except for the battery ground cable. I will take apart the 2 ground connections and ensure they are clean and have good contact. By the way I'm using Brad Penn break in oil and the crankcase is not overfilled. Temp yesterday was an excellent 80 degrees and sunny. Great day for a 914 drive of 20 miles. First one in over 24 years for this car. Thanks all for the help. Still investigating
Posted by: Movin6 Sep 16 2016, 09:00 AM
I'd be curious about voltage at the starter as you are starting it. One item not mentioned is the solenoid relay. Usually they fail completely, but bad or dirty contacts could be an issue.
In the meantime, park on a hill! ;-)
New build just finished. Engine runs and a few items remain to be sorted out such as carb jetting and final timing. Issue is the starter turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. I'm using the original relay board and jumpered across per a previous posting for ground location, see attachment. Bought and installed the Tangerine Racing carb conversion fuel pump with SS lines and installed it under the steering rack. Ran 12V wiring thru tunnel where the old return line was. I also bought a rebuilt Bosch starter and alternator from Pelican and a new alternator harness for Jeff Bowlsby which included the wiring for the starter. New Hot lead to the starter as well. New battery, a red top Optima. Any guidance on a fix is appreciated. Ignition switch ???? How to fix ??
Engine starts and runs, very well I must add. Battery is new Optima red top. Cable to starter is also new. Ground strap to the transmission is installed. Didn't think that any grounds would/could be at issue as all are new except for the battery ground cable. I will take apart the 2 ground connections and ensure they are clean and have good contact. By the way I'm using Brad Penn break in oil and the crankcase is not overfilled. Temp yesterday was an excellent 80 degrees and sunny. Great day for a 914 drive of 20 miles. First one in over 24 years for this car. Thanks all for the help. Still investigating
Posted by: porschetub Sep 16 2016, 01:29 PM
You mentioned you are using ''running in'' oil,has the motor been reconditioned ?,if so it may just be tight.
Get your multimeter and attach the probes to the battery then get someone to crank it over and see what voltage drop you have,you could also do the same @ the starter.
IMO its not safe to assume it isn't the ignition switch,they don't always fail straight off,mine caused several different faults before finally packing it in,burnt/worn contacts in the start position of the switch could be robbing power from the battery surely.
Good luck.
Posted by: Jon H. Sep 17 2016, 05:05 AM
It could also be the starter. I've had other cars that had the same issue and a new starter was the fix.
Regards'
Jon h.
Posted by: North Coast Jim Sep 17 2016, 12:25 PM
New build just finished. Engine runs and a few items remain to be sorted out such as carb jetting and final timing. Issue is the starter turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. I'm using the original relay board and jumpered across per a previous posting for ground location, see attachment. Bought and installed the Tangerine Racing carb conversion fuel pump with SS lines and installed it under the steering rack. Ran 12V wiring thru tunnel where the old return line was. I also bought a rebuilt Bosch starter and alternator from Pelican and a new alternator harness for Jeff Bowlsby which included the wiring for the starter. New Hot lead to the starter as well. New battery, a red top Optima. Any guidance on a fix is appreciated. Ignition switch ???? How to fix ??
Disconnected the grounds and cleaned them thoroughly. Had to remove some paint as the body was a complete respray. Added a star type lock washer with many points of contacts. Cranks now as it should. Thanks all.
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