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Posted by: orthobiz Sep 19 2016, 05:51 AM
I'm looking at possibly buying an unmolested 1971 and as the owner of two 1974's, what is there to recommend the early cars? I'm thinking about the prone-to-failure window cranks, fixed passenger seat, unreinforced doors, oil bath air filter, tail shifter, central vent, etc. as potential liabilities rather than assets. Am I wrong? Gotta admit, I think steelies rule!
Also, is it possible to have textured seats with smooth vinyl door panels? Johnson's book says the textured seats were "available" but "apparently not fitted."
Thanks,
Paul
Posted by: Garland Sep 19 2016, 06:04 AM
Paul, I've owned many early teeners over the years. I've had two cars with smooth door panels, and textured seats.
Never had a window crank fail. Beyond that, all other failures of our wonderful cars are typical but not unique to the early years. Have had many tail shifters and a couple side shift, have not noticed major concerns between the two has so many others have stated.
Unreinforced doors or later, oil bath filters can be replaced but I still use mine.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Sep 19 2016, 08:11 AM
I don't know about the smooth door/textured seat issue but I can say that the vinyl upholstery in a 1971 was a one year only pattern.
Compared to other years it had a larger 'grain' (elephant hyde ?) and was very shiny.
I would gladly own a 1970 1.7
By now the remedies for early car issues are well known.
Finding a solid example is the challenge.
Posted by: mepstein Sep 19 2016, 09:12 AM
I like the early cars. Light. Classic look. Simple. Quirky. Baby GT's.
Posted by: jrblackbox Sep 19 2016, 10:55 AM
I love my little 71 1.7 peashooter, even though it has steelies, a fixed passenger seat and tailshifter!
Posted by: SKL1 Sep 19 2016, 02:07 PM
Interior vinyl can be very confusing. My '71 was built in 9/70. My dad bought one about 6 months after I got mine and it was a 3/71 build, still a '71. Interior was totally different than mine...
Still love my'71 after 45 years, but admittedly it isn't a tailshifter anymore, and has OEM 914-6 running gear.
Posted by: jrblackbox Sep 19 2016, 02:26 PM
Interior vinyl can be very confusing. My '71 was built in 9/70. My dad bought one about 6 months after I got mine and it was a 3/71 build, still a '71. Interior was totally different than mine...
Still love my'71 after 45 years, but admittedly it isn't a tailshifter anymore, and has OEM 914-6 running gear.
hmmm... my 71 was built in 9/70 as well!
Posted by: era vulgaris Sep 19 2016, 04:45 PM
I'm looking at possibly buying an unmolested 1971 and as the owner of two 1974's, what is there to recommend the early cars? I'm thinking about the prone-to-failure window cranks, fixed passenger seat, unreinforced doors, oil bath air filter, tail shifter, central vent, etc. as potential liabilities rather than assets. Am I wrong? Gotta admit, I think steelies rule!
Also, is it possible to have textured seats with smooth vinyl door panels? Johnson's book says the textured seats were "available" but "apparently not fitted."
Thanks,
Paul
You forgot about the dash mounted windshield wiper switch!
But I don't look at all those traits as liabilities. I think they're all charming in their own way.
I've owned a big fire-breathing 914 and it was fun, but the next 914 I get will be an early 1.7. I just love the look of the steelies with hubcaps. And I'd prefer to have a car that's a bit more simplistic, and that looks a bit more classic. Now it's just a matter of finding a good one!
Posted by: mark04usa Sep 19 2016, 08:12 PM
Early 914 1.7 is a simple, honest car. Fun to drive on twisty roads, and keeps up with hiway traffic no problem. My Jan '70 1.7 on this past 914 day 
Posted by: Chris Pincetich Sep 19 2016, 10:11 PM
Older is cooler 
'nuff said
Posted by: mepstein Sep 20 2016, 05:20 AM
Early 914 1.7 is a simple, honest car. Fun to drive on twisty roads, and keeps up with hiway traffic no problem. My Jan '70 1.7 on this past 914 day
Mine cruises at hiway speeds just fine but the acceleration is so bad that I feel like I will get run over every time traffic slows down and then speeds back up. I'm yelling for more power and the little engine is screaming she's giving me all she's got. That should all get fixed with the addition of a 3.2
Posted by: porsche913b_sp Sep 20 2016, 08:01 AM
No kidding my stocker 1.7 is gutless. I have to be careful passing vehicles I don't think I can pass anything on the roads today. Makes me want to get a bigger motor but don't want to deal with regrets of cooling issue. Oh well someday 
Posted by: 396 Sep 20 2016, 08:20 AM
No kidding my stocker 1.7 is gutless. I have to be careful passing vehicles I don't think I can pass anything on the roads today. Makes me want to get a bigger motor but don't want to deal with regrets of cooling issue. Oh well someday
+1 on stock 1.7 being gutless against the current state of cars on the local highways.
My .02 cents, if you want it, get it...simple
Posted by: mepstein Sep 20 2016, 08:29 AM
No kidding my stocker 1.7 is gutless. I have to be careful passing vehicles I don't think I can pass anything on the roads today. Makes me want to get a bigger motor but don't want to deal with regrets of cooling issue. Oh well someday
+1 on stock 1.7 being gutless against the current state of cars on the local highways.
My .02 cents, if you want it, get it...simple
It's fine around town. Lots of smiles per miles.
Posted by: Rav914 Sep 20 2016, 10:11 AM
I loved my '70. The windshield wiper switch, smooth door panels, silver dot guages, and late model steelies were the aesthetic items I liked. It felt solid and when I put a 1911cc motor in it, it moved quickly. Would like to have another someday (-6 conversion).
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Posted by: mark04usa Sep 20 2016, 11:37 AM
You folks with "gutless" 1.7's must either have a very poor running engine (likely way over carbureted) or do not know how to drive the car. My car is a stock 914, not a hot rod. It is a great car the way it is. 
Posted by: Garland Sep 20 2016, 11:51 AM
You folks with "gutless" 1.7's must either have a very poor running engine (likely way over carbureted) or do not know how to drive the car. My car is a stock 914, not a hot rod. It is a great car the way it is.
60 in the straightaway, 90 in the curves. Stock 1.7 driven well, can have some very long legs.
Posted by: 914_teener Sep 20 2016, 12:06 PM
You folks with "gutless" 1.7's must either have a very poor running engine (likely way over carbureted) or do not know how to drive the car. My car is a stock 914, not a hot rod. It is a great car the way it is.
60 in the straightaway, 90 in the curves. Stock 1.7 driven well, can have some very long legs.
Well said.With the stock injection WELL TUNED and working. It is fun.
Makes it hard for me to finish my 2056 project.
Posted by: porsche913b_sp Sep 20 2016, 12:19 PM
You folks with "gutless" 1.7's must either have a very poor running engine (likely way over carbureted) or do not know how to drive the car. My car is a stock 914, not a hot rod. It is a great car the way it is.
Hmm really ? Mines is with the stock D-Jet and come to think about it. The PO had put some bigger jugs in them when it got rebuilt as I recall
but maybe its me driver then 
Posted by: 914_teener Sep 20 2016, 12:39 PM
You folks with "gutless" 1.7's must either have a very poor running engine (likely way over carbureted) or do not know how to drive the car. My car is a stock 914, not a hot rod. It is a great car the way it is.
Hmm really ? Mines is with the stock D-Jet and come to think about it. The PO had put some bigger jugs in them when it got rebuilt as I recall
but maybe its me driver then ....or with the bigger pistons the D-jet is not calibrated right.
Well tuned?
Posted by: Chris Pincetich Sep 20 2016, 01:30 PM
My 1.7 is breathing through a bigger intake and exhaling through big pipes into a 4->1 header and modern muffler. It spins up a 12lb flywheel and at the third shift drops into a close ratio gear.
Stock D-jet, plugs, and ignition points. Very reliable. FUN! 
I've added additional lightness to an already light chassis
Posted by: orthobiz Sep 21 2016, 03:13 PM
Appreciate all the responses. I'm getting close to a final decision, by the weekend!
Paul
Posted by: orthobiz Sep 22 2016, 08:35 PM
If things go as planned, i'll have a light ivory one in my garage THIS SUNDAY. Can't wait!!
Paul
Posted by: dcheek Sep 26 2016, 01:02 PM
If things go as planned, i'll have a light ivory one in my garage THIS SUNDAY. Can't wait!!
Paul
Welllllllllllllll.................did you buy it????
Dave
Posted by: mepstein Sep 26 2016, 02:05 PM
The early 1.7 was my first car when I was 16. Bought it before I was legal to drive in NJ. So all the idiosyncrasies are normal and comforting for me. Reaching for the wipers on the dash, normal.
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