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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ Now THIS is a hell hole...
Posted by: wayner Sep 26 2016, 06:13 PM
Now THIS is a hell hole!
I just can't stand to see a car die.
Mikes914s and his guys are saving it for me 
Posted by: Mike Bellis Sep 26 2016, 06:14 PM
I hope you have deep pockets$$$
Posted by: wayner Sep 26 2016, 06:16 PM
Not any more 
Actually, with the Canadian dollar at a 30% discount I'm surprised that all the rusty American 914 owners aren't lined up trying to get their projects into his shop for the winter 
As for my car, I figure that if you have a small hole or a big hole it makes no difference, I'm having him just cut everything out and replace with new or fabricate what's needed.
Posted by: injunmort Sep 26 2016, 06:23 PM
all things considered, that is not the most hideous thing i have seen.
Posted by: draganc Sep 26 2016, 06:25 PM
Some fiberglass and mud and you are good to go. Have fun with that project?
Posted by: wayner Sep 26 2016, 06:27 PM
I'd rather go this route than pay a premium for a nice shiny one that really looks like this inside all that solid looking disguised rot.
Mikes got,a new metal guy and restoration design is having a sale on metal so I'm in good hands 
Hell hole is already fixed and new floor pans and longs going in next week, but ya, ugly starting point
Posted by: N_Jay Sep 26 2016, 06:46 PM
OK, now you guys are scaring me!
"73 California car stored the last 19 years indoors, but lived outdoors (in So Cal) before that.
Knew it had a "little" typical 914 rust.
Battery tray and support, right jack hole, a bit of the inner rocker (assumed the left but never used it, so don't know) also, and the two corners on the back that have the factory jack points were getting weak, and it has a little bubbling top rear of the front fenders and touch below the windshield.
When I went to swap the engine I noticed you can see the ground under the battery ()not wide open, but a definite hole. Figured that was just eh shelf, but I guess that is the "Hell hole"
So, what am I in for? Min/Max?
Posted by: mark04usa Sep 26 2016, 06:56 PM
Wayner, Sounds like you are already making progress. Please do keep us posted on your project...with more photos please! Bringing another 914 back is a very rewarding job of work. Press on
Posted by: wayner Sep 26 2016, 07:04 PM
I should have some good pics of mine next week or so.
(Suspension pickup points are replaced and the dogleg below the hell hole is solid once again and it's only been a few weeks from project start.)
Posted by: mobymutt Sep 26 2016, 07:14 PM
I was in Mike's shop a couple of weeks ago, watching some welding. I guess that must have been your car! Congrats on the fixing!
Posted by: wayner Sep 26 2016, 07:18 PM
Was it your car that I test fit these wheels on?
If so,it is beautiful and when I get scared I look at it and it makes me feel better!
Posted by: mobymutt Sep 26 2016, 07:26 PM
Was it your car that I test fit these wheels on?
If so,it is beautiful and when I get scared I look at it and it makes me feel better!
Unfortunately, no. I was just there getting a part. My car is being fixed by me, and thus never gets more than 5 km from my house, haha.
Posted by: wayner Sep 26 2016, 07:30 PM
Wayner, Sounds like you are already making progress. Please do keep us posted on your project...with more photos please! Bringing another 914 back is a very rewarding job of work. Press on Thanks Mark!
Posted by: wayner Sep 26 2016, 07:34 PM
OK, now you guys are scaring me!
"73 California car stored the last 19 years indoors, but lived outdoors (in So Cal) before that.
Knew it had a "little" typical 914 rust...
So, what am I in for? Min/Max?
Are you talking time, effort or cost?
I honestly don't know what to tell you but I guess my cars progress should reveal some clues ??
Posted by: RobW Sep 26 2016, 07:53 PM
Dads car you could drop a volleyball through the Hell Hole. It was a DNR. And it got fixed (not by me though)....
Posted by: N_Jay Sep 27 2016, 08:00 AM
OK, now you guys are scaring me!
"73 California car stored the last 19 years indoors, but lived outdoors (in So Cal) before that.
Knew it had a "little" typical 914 rust...
So, what am I in for? Min/Max?
Are you talking time, effort or cost?
I honestly don't know what to tell you but I guess my cars progress should reveal some clues ??
Since I don't weld (not well) and I don't have space to keep the cart where I can work on it for more than about a week at a time, these days it is more $$ than time.
I figured I would find an experienced shop and have them weld in new pieces as needed.
Not looking for a concours restoration, but also not looking for a patch job that will fail in 5 to 10 years.
Anyone want to take some guesses from experience?
Posted by: mbseto Sep 27 2016, 10:17 AM
Dads car you could drop a volleyball through the Hell Hole.
Is that an official criteria? Should my ad say, "A/C runs cold. Hell hole smaller than volley ball." ?
Seems like there should be a scale: ping pong ball, baseball, softball, tether ball, volleyball, basket ball.
Posted by: wayner Sep 27 2016, 10:47 AM
Since I don't weld (not well) and I don't have space to keep the cart where I can work on it for more than about a week at a time, these days it is more $$ than time.
I figured I would find an experienced shop and have them weld in new pieces as needed.
Not looking for a concours restoration, but also not looking for a patch job that will fail in 5 to 10 years.
Anyone want to take some guesses from experience?
You should call Mike, seriously
The Canadian dollar is your friend right now. ($5k= $3.5k and 10k = $7k)
Ship it up or have him pick it up and return it in spring
His new metal guy is a genius
Posted by: wayner Sep 27 2016, 01:59 PM
Another before pic
(Or after cutting away crap pic)
My decision to flare it and go with fiberglass fenders will sure make their structural work easier to get at
Posted by: veltror Sep 27 2016, 04:58 PM
mine was bad also
Posted by: wayner Sep 27 2016, 05:30 PM
Dads car you could drop a volleyball through the Hell Hole.
Is that an official criteria? Should my ad say, "A/C runs cold. Hell hole smaller than volley ball." ?
Seems like there should be a scale: ping pong ball, baseball, softball, tether ball, volleyball, basket ball.
Ha! I love it!!
Posted by: rick 918-S Sep 27 2016, 11:01 PM
Posted by: Mark Henry Sep 27 2016, 11:55 PM
I have to go see Mike I haven't seen him in over a year...
Say hi for me when you see him next time. 
Posted by: wayner Sep 28 2016, 04:22 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome guys.
More good news today!
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Posted by: Stacks914 Sep 28 2016, 10:00 PM
Wow that is crazy
Posted by: veekry9 Sep 29 2016, 03:46 AM
'70s Salt exposure,about two seasons worth of slush.
That's Ontario rust,a specially voracious type,nasty stuff.
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Posted by: wayner Sep 30 2016, 11:36 AM
Not much cutting to do. Everything just sort of fell apart...
Posted by: ssuperflyoldguy Sep 17 2019, 11:11 PM
Dads car you could drop a volleyball through the Hell Hole.
Is that an official criteria? Should my ad say, "A/C runs cold. Hell hole smaller than volley ball." ?
Seems like there should be a scale: ping pong ball, baseball, softball, tether ball, volleyball, basket ball.
Foosball, marble, Pea, B.B.
Mine as of this weekend is "marble" - maybe I should stop poking while I'm ahead but I haven't opened anything up yet
Posted by: Superhawk996 Sep 18 2019, 01:48 AM
3 years but no photos of finished product.
Did this one ultimately get finished?
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