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Posted by: bd1308 Apr 19 2005, 12:18 PM

contacted the VW guy, he told me that #3 valve (dunno which one) was too tight......?? should i be peeing in my pants or what?

Posted by: ArtechnikA Apr 19 2005, 12:43 PM

i vote for "what" ...

background, OK? what are you talking about?

i'll ASSUME you took the car to someone else for a valve adjustment for some reason.

for a variety of reasons, valves are more likely to tighten in service than loosen - which is one reason we check them. so - HOW MUCH too tight? 0.001"? whoopie. you back off the adjusting screw an eight of a turn and ta da. normal.

he probably mentioned it so you can keep an eye on it. if it KEEPS tightening every time you check it on a regular basis, you could have an issue.

Posted by: bd1308 Apr 19 2005, 01:12 PM

i had teh car limped in bc it ran like complete shit.....i'll keep an eye on it definately....ended up a bearing for the fuel pump went out, causing my real loud buzzing whirring sound (like a real loud dying hard drive) and the valves were tight....and of course the exhaust being loose on (the right side somewhere) got tightened again...so it's gonna sound GOOOOOOOOOD....until i bring it home....he also said for me to leave it alone and enjoy.....

Posted by: vsg914 Apr 19 2005, 01:23 PM

Britt, I'm glad you took your car to a real mech to have those valves adjusted. Wrongly adjusted valves will cause major damage to your motor. I've seen the results first hand. Like he said, quit readjusting crap and drive the car!!!!!!

Here's what happens when a valve seat comes loose and the valve hits the piston at 5000 rpms.

Attached image(s)

Posted by: nebreitling Apr 19 2005, 01:25 PM

whoa! that is AWESOME curt! was that your cylinder? we need a collection of these shots...

Posted by: skline Apr 19 2005, 01:26 PM

I vote, Pee your pants!!

Posted by: vsg914 Apr 19 2005, 01:29 PM

Luckily, that was not my cylinder. It was the dirtiest engine bay award at musr 2002.

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I vote, Pee your pants!!

Posted by: bd1308 Apr 19 2005, 03:44 PM

LOL....good one scott..i dug up some intresting information you and Z might like....i'll pm you

Posted by: tat2dphreak Apr 19 2005, 03:47 PM

is this the same vw guy that told you you couldn't put a different year 914 engine in your car? if so get someone else to look at it, and them pee your pants if they agree

Posted by: bd1308 Apr 19 2005, 03:49 PM

it wasnt year, it was size...he thought i couldnt put in a 1.7 in place of a 2.0....but i suppose he figured the 1.7 would be a type 1 and not a type 4.....I dunno, but this guy is a good guy....just a little out-there like me.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Apr 19 2005, 03:58 PM

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Apr 19 2005, 04:49 PM)
it wasnt year, it was size...he thought i couldnt put in a 1.7 in place of a 2.0....but i suppose he figured the 1.7 would be a type 1 and not a type 4.....I dunno, but this guy is a good guy....just a little out-there like me.

good guy or not, he has given you bad advice 2 times, double check his work...

Posted by: bd1308 Apr 19 2005, 04:02 PM

true dat....will you all help me double-check valve clearances..? another first for me....Lucky for me though, i set up wireless internet outside my house (in a ring fashion) so i can have my comp rigth there to help me.....

Posted by: nebreitling Apr 19 2005, 04:06 PM

do your own valves. it's quite straightfoward, though a minor pita until you get the process down.

double check your work the first few times, though. (see above pic)

Posted by: tat2dphreak Apr 19 2005, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Apr 19 2005, 05:02 PM)
true dat....will you all help me double-check valve clearances..? another first for me....Lucky for me though, i set up wireless internet outside my house (in a ring fashion) so i can have my comp rigth there to help me.....

sure, just do as the instructions for adjusting your vales said, as posted a few weeks ago... that is the procedure for checking, as well as adjusting...

if it's is a little tight... adjust it properly, with the engine cold as always, and then drive it a while, and let it cool overnight, check it again(do this a few times)... 1)if it got tight again... you got problems.. 2)if it's tight now, and is ok after driving it and checking it a few times, maybe the last adjustment was just a little off... and you'll be fine...

Posted by: bd1308 Apr 19 2005, 04:11 PM

you mean the Captn's instructions

Posted by: tat2dphreak Apr 19 2005, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Apr 19 2005, 05:11 PM)
you mean the Captn's instructions

yep, those work, or use the pelican article if you like it better... either one, as long as it's done...

Posted by: bd1308 Apr 19 2005, 06:57 PM

printed out the ENTIRE thread...12 pages of it...i love miles' comment about the oil additive...

Posted by: Mueller Apr 19 2005, 07:05 PM

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Apr 19 2005, 03:02 PM)
true dat....will you all help me double-check valve clearances..? another first for me....Lucky for me though, i set up wireless internet outside my house (in a ring fashion) so i can have my comp rigth there to help me.....

a little advice...if you are serious about becoming an ME, you have to get more hands on with your car and projects, don't be afraid to screw up and make mistakes, you won't learn cr@p just reading about it and asking questions or guidance for this and that, sure it might be nice to have someone show you something or help drop the engine, but will you really learn from it????.....if you have any bit of common sense, then you'll be fine and not totally FUBAR the car..........

Posted by: SpecialK Apr 19 2005, 07:15 PM

Mike makes a valid point there ...

Of all of the ME's (actually Aeronautical) I've worked with, and there's a bunch, the only ones that could come up with "workable" dispositions to non-conformance conditions were the "Motorheads". You just get a better grasp of how things work [and how to fix them] when you're getting your hands dirty.

Posted by: bd1308 Apr 19 2005, 07:20 PM

you all have a fine point....i just need to get in there.....I'll check my valves this weekend, i know i won't mess up....I usually don't and I have fun learning in the process.....Valid point....Engine drop during summer.....mid-may party at my place so i can meet 914 people...i'm SO sick of hearing people who "owned a 914 long ago" or "raced them in the 70s"......yeah I'll get my hands dirty....yeah Thanks guys for the pick me up!!!!!

Posted by: redshift Apr 19 2005, 07:27 PM

Curt you suck!

There should be a huge blank space between the last post... and the part that makes me barf... with a warning.. so I don't have to go eat... again.

I have seen something like that.. and worse!

Oh my...

Oh, and not adjusting your valves, at least twice a week, makes baby Jesus cry.

M