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Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 6 2016, 06:09 PM

Ok, some of you showed interest in getting the two parts on the left on top of the Hella box.

Who's in?

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&showtopic=300344&view=findpost&p=2483441

Orders Received:
Dion
raynekat
Niklas
914Sixer
jkb944t
simonjb
maf914
treemn
Jett


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Posted by: Dion Dec 6 2016, 06:49 PM

What the hell. Why not. Either all in or...
I run one on the back. Might as well get the "proper" mount.
Put me down for a set.
Cheers, Dion

Posted by: raynekat Dec 6 2016, 07:06 PM

Sign me up....I'm in for one.

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 6 2016, 08:27 PM

Two down, eight to go!

The other two parts required are readily available. The light housing itself is about $30 and the wiring harness, we can get a group buy from Bowlsby going....

Posted by: porbmw Dec 6 2016, 11:40 PM

I actually bought the brackets from a member, a while back....

BUT

Would chime in on the GB harness, if it came into being....

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 6 2016, 11:59 PM

Let's get the brackets done first. Jeff Bowlsby will knock out harnesses quickly...

Posted by: jim_hoyland Dec 7 2016, 07:54 AM

Thanks for going through with the process.

***Update***My bad: I have a rear reflector ! No room for the fog light... Sorry. It's still a great opportunity to get a NLA part....

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 7 2016, 10:27 AM

3/10!

Posted by: edrotol Dec 7 2016, 07:06 PM

Hey Cone Dodger, that's my picture you have on your thread. No big deal. Just wanted you to know.

Have the exact set as pictured fog light and all, never installed

I also have a factory original rear foglight wiring harness. Had Bowlsby make me one years ago but got the original one somewhere from somebody later.

Good luck.

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 8 2016, 04:19 PM

I need 5 of these to be spoken for before I can give the go ahead. And we are at 2/5 right now.

BTW: I've been contacted by two people who tell me they can do the part cheaper. The spec is a reproduction. I'm not interested in galvanized or thinner metal. This is a yellow zink plated reproduction part. If that is what you can do we can talk. Otherwise, no good... thanks though.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Dec 8 2016, 04:37 PM

Rob this sounds like a perfect offering for 914rubber. Have you approached Mark to do a run of these and stock them?

Posted by: wes Dec 8 2016, 06:00 PM

I'll take one,thanks!

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 8 2016, 06:28 PM

Jeff,
Mark and I talk frequently by phone. In fact he once had a layover in Reno on Thanksgiving and had dinner with my family. I can approach him on it. I just thought it might be too small a market for him to get involved.

Update: I just called him and got VM. He must be flapping his wings.

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 8 2016, 06:31 PM

Thanks Wes! 3/10!

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Dec 8 2016, 11:34 PM

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 10 2016, 10:47 AM

Just two more to go. If I get 5/10, I'll put up the rest so we can have these available. PMB will sell them on their site.

This is the expensive bugger!


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Posted by: Dion Dec 11 2016, 08:56 AM

I know it holiday time. $ is tight.
Is there no one else to get this off the ground.
Hate to see Conedodger front too much cash
C'mon rear fog nerds!

Dion

Posted by: raynekat Dec 11 2016, 06:08 PM

If it helps, I can sign up for two of them.
I'll use one on my current build and "archive" the other one.

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 11 2016, 08:28 PM

Are you kidding! Of course it helps! Just need one more come on #5!

Posted by: Cal Dec 12 2016, 06:26 AM

Looks great.....I'll take one. Send me a PM when you need the funds.

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 12 2016, 08:04 AM

Huh! We just made the minimum 5/10! thank you!

Posted by: Dion Dec 12 2016, 08:06 AM

Thanks for making this happen. Please let us know when & where to fund.

Posted by: Mike Fitton Dec 12 2016, 08:27 AM

I have never seen one of these mounted on a 914, anyone have a picture of one of these mounted on their car?

Posted by: Dion Dec 12 2016, 08:36 AM

Nice car. Not mine.


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Posted by: Cal Dec 12 2016, 09:45 AM

Here's a thread from 10 years ago about the rear fog light.....

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=73511&hl=






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Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 12 2016, 03:26 PM

A new wrinkle. McMark has a source he uses who can do these to my specification significantly cheaper. I.e.; reproduction, not cheap galvanized copy. I don't want the concours weenies to know this wasn't factory.

I'll get back to you with a revised price soon.

Posted by: eric914 Dec 12 2016, 03:55 PM

put me down for one:) let me know final $.

Posted by: Cal Dec 13 2016, 06:39 AM

Couple more photos....




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Posted by: raynekat Dec 13 2016, 06:21 PM

I'll likely still want 2 sets even at a reduced cost.

Made in the USA eh?

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 13 2016, 07:22 PM

Yup! McMark has stood back and watched me struggle with this. No doubt, giving me demeaning looks the whole time. Then, when I got the price per unit quote he whipped out his source and told me to call him. Like Superman and shit, except for the long hair and beard

Posted by: rgalla9146 Dec 14 2016, 10:37 AM

The 'cup' of these lamps is chrome ? is it plastic or metal ?
What is a fair cost for each of the parts...lamp, bracket, harness. etc. ?
TIA

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 14 2016, 11:20 AM

The lamp assembly itself is available online from Just Kampers. Shipping is as much as the part because they're in England. About $40 IIRC. The cup as you put it is metal. It doesn't come with a bulb so I bought a red LED. The wiring harness is available from Jeff Bowlsby. I think if I recall, he sells them for about $140, but we may improve that with a group buy. Neither of the mount parts are available. I'm trying to improve that here.

Posted by: db9146 Dec 14 2016, 11:36 AM

I might be interested if the price comes down a little. I'll stay tuned.

Posted by: Niklas Dec 14 2016, 11:48 AM

I want a set.

Sent to Sweden.

Is it 125 USD with the foglight?
I just want the bracket.

Niklas

Posted by: Niklas Dec 14 2016, 12:17 PM

http://www.ebay.de/itm/HELLA-Nebelschlussleuchte-2NE-003-030-151-/111995637336?hash=item1a1375ce58:g:DsoAAOSwl-FXNKw8

This is the light.

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 14 2016, 01:20 PM

No, that was the quote I was given for just the two brackets. This will change with the new source.

Posted by: Larmo63 Dec 14 2016, 01:35 PM

I will be in for a set too, Rob.

Thank you.

Posted by: rgalla9146 Dec 15 2016, 07:57 PM

Eureka !
All visitors here please go to the new thread titled 'is this a real 6 ? '
Check the nice fog light bracket, comes free if you buy the car.

Posted by: Dion Dec 15 2016, 08:47 PM

HAHAHAH Rory that is too funny. Good eye!

Posted by: db9146 Dec 16 2016, 08:18 AM

I bet it was a short in the rear foglight that caused the fire...

Posted by: TJB/914 Dec 17 2016, 02:21 PM

Bump,
Thanks Rob for making this happen.
Once you have the interior bracket drilling & position is a piece of cake.
Tom



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Posted by: Blue6 Dec 17 2016, 08:16 PM

Rob, please add me to the list. After seeing this thread, I went to the stash to check the one I purchased about 2 yrs ago. It looks like I have the correct light, but the mounting bracket must be from an early 911.

Posted by: TJB/914 Dec 17 2016, 09:02 PM

Blue6
Yes, that mounting bracket is for a 911. I don't have a 911 photo. On 911's it's mounted under the rear bumper somewhere in line with the rear wheel. Kind of a weird place to put it, not like our 914's above the bumper.
Should be worth $$ something with the 911 guys
Tom

Posted by: Blue6 Dec 18 2016, 12:25 AM

Thank you for the confirmation. I'll put it on Pelican, and see if anyone needs it...

Posted by: rgalla9146 Dec 18 2016, 08:21 AM

These were often seen on 'grey market' 911s
Because they were mounted right next to the exhaust pipe they had added heat proof/fireproof insulation on the wiring as seen in the pics.

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 18 2016, 08:38 AM

Holy crap! That's the even more rare 911 mount! Clean that up and let the RGruppe guys sniff around it and you'll score some cash.

Posted by: Blue6 Dec 19 2016, 05:55 PM

Thank you Rob and Rgalla9146. I'll bring it to the Phoenix Club swap meet in March, and see if one of those taildragger guys is interested..

Posted by: Larmo63 Dec 20 2016, 12:15 AM

Isn't the 914 rear fog light itself supposed to have a chrome body?

Posted by: raynekat Dec 20 2016, 12:47 AM

Actually both are available...
You pick.

Likely the chrome was more standard on 911's, and black with the 914's.

Posted by: ConeDodger Mar 4 2017, 09:42 PM

Well, we have news. I really appreciate you guys who were willing to step up when these were going to big money. McMark found us a source that is willing to make them much cheaper. We will see how this plays out, but it looks like we might be able to get these these two parts made and shipped to your door for $20 or less.

The outer piece may be a bit different, so I have to make sure it's acceptable. I'll let you all know when I know more!

Posted by: eric914 Mar 4 2017, 09:46 PM

Sweet!

I'm still in

Posted by: Dion Mar 4 2017, 11:22 PM

Thanks Rob, standing by.....

Posted by: 914Sixer Mar 5 2017, 07:59 AM

Put me down for one set

Posted by: wes Mar 5 2017, 11:49 AM

Posted by: jkb944t Mar 6 2017, 11:35 AM

I would be interested in this so keep us updated.

Jeff B

Posted by: ConeDodger Mar 6 2017, 11:42 AM

Will do Jeff. I will need to plate them once we have parts in hand so I'll let everyone know!

Posted by: simonjb Mar 6 2017, 12:35 PM

Count me in

Thanks

Posted by: db9146 Mar 6 2017, 12:57 PM

So did I miss the new price on the bracket kit? or is it still $125?

Posted by: ConeDodger Mar 6 2017, 03:33 PM

Yes, you missed it. It looks like +- $20 delivered to your domestic door. But, it is not a kit. It doesn't include the fasteners, foglight, or harness.
If you're the guy from Sweden, it would be + actual shipping.

Posted by: db9146 Mar 6 2017, 03:38 PM

Great, count me in for one set, please.

Posted by: Niklas Mar 6 2017, 04:23 PM

I am the swedish guy.
Yes i want two sets.

Posted by: simonjb Mar 10 2017, 08:24 AM

Just received my Fog light from Kamper. Good price.

Now all we need are the brackets java script:emoticon(':Qarl:','smid_7')

Posted by: ConeDodger Mar 10 2017, 08:47 AM

They've been ordered. Then we'll plate them, then the group buy fun begins!

Posted by: Dion Mar 10 2017, 10:30 PM

That's awesome Rob. Thanks for your and McMarks work on this. Now I need to get my
car done so I can mount the light!
Cheers,Dion

Posted by: ConeDodger Mar 10 2017, 11:04 PM

Mostly McMark. I only facilitated on this one. Mark recognized that the first shop I had gone to had given me a "go away price." He wanted to run it by his source. I paid the first guy $100 for the Solidworks files and sent them to Mark. He took it from there.

Mark can really make things happen. Amazing vision. If I can, I always go with Original Customs.

Posted by: maf914 Mar 11 2017, 07:23 AM

Rob, I would like a set if still available. Thank you.

Posted by: maf914 Mar 11 2017, 07:34 AM

Simon, Is Kamper a business or vendor?

Can someone recommend a good source for the Hella foglight? The American E-bay site lists several Hella foglights at various prices, but all appear to be quite a bit more than the European E-bay listing Niklas provided at 23 Euro.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/HELLA-Nebelschlussleuchte-2NE-003-030-151-/111995637336?hash=item1a1375ce58:g:DsoAAOSwl-FXNKw8

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1311.R8.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xhella+fog+light.TRS0&_nkw=hella+rear+fog+light&_sacat=0

Posted by: ConeDodger Mar 11 2017, 08:12 AM

Somewhere in this thread I had thought I listed all of the vendors.

You will need:

Mounts. These are being fabricated and a group buy will be announced in a separate thread. Please don't expect me to pick through this thread to find you all. 50 sets are being made.

The light itself. This can be had by searching Just4Kampers. They are in The UK and shipping to the US will be a little much but it is the proper light.

The harness. Unless you plan on wiring this up so it goes on with your tails, you will want the proper harness. Jeff Bowlsby can make it for you. Jeff Bowlsby on here. If I were you, I'd contact him now and get him going on yours as he might be a tad busy when 50 sets of mounts hit the streets!

Other than that, just a few bolts and washers and one bulb.

There you go. Now go forth and gather...

Posted by: sixnotfour Mar 11 2017, 08:43 AM

FYI ..I sent Bowlsby a factory Harness...

Posted by: simonjb Mar 11 2017, 08:48 AM

JustKampers.com. Fast and a fairly good price.


Rear Fog Lamp (Chrome Backed) With Mountings All Models
JK Part No. J11632 | Qty: 1 $40.94

Subtotal $40.94
Shipping & Handling $17.74
Grand Total (Excl.Tax) $58.68
Tax
$0.00
Grand Total (Incl.Tax) $58.68
Grand Total to be Charged £44.79
Deposit $0.00
Additional Carriage $0.00

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Posted by: ConeDodger Mar 28 2017, 04:56 PM

A little teaser. McMark picked these up today. The still need blasting and plating but we are just a couple weeks out I think.

No group buy yet. I still have to see if Mark wants to handle this out of his shop or if I have to handle it. He's busier than me I think but it might be easier to just handle it from Michigan...


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Posted by: Larmo63 Mar 28 2017, 05:58 PM

Those look great, Rob. McMark strikes again!!!

I just bought a light from JK.

Thanks for doing this.

Posted by: simonjb Mar 28 2017, 08:13 PM

Posted by: Nie Zu Alt Mar 28 2017, 09:15 PM

If it's not too late, put me down for a set.

Thanks for supporting the community!

Doug H.

Posted by: Dion Mar 28 2017, 09:55 PM

Those are sweet. Thanks Rob & McMark.

Posted by: wes Mar 28 2017, 10:19 PM

Looks great you guys pulled through, great team work!

Posted by: simonjb May 3 2017, 09:43 AM

Hi,

Any update on making the brackets?

Posted by: McMark May 3 2017, 11:23 AM

I have them, but was going to get the zinc plated. But they were supplied to me with sanding scratches on them. I can blast away the scratches and then have them plated, but it's a ton of work.

Does anyone care? Cause if not, I can start shipping them now....


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Posted by: ConeDodger May 3 2017, 11:32 AM

I do, but you can have mine plated when you have the throttle body parts done...

Posted by: TJB/914 May 3 2017, 04:20 PM

Rob & Mark,

I'll be in Grand Rapids tomorrow & will stop at Orig. Customs, maybe Mark will have my orig. sample inside bracket I loaned for duplication??
If not I want to buy one

Tom


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Posted by: ConeDodger May 3 2017, 04:33 PM

Ha!
TBlizz, I just sent you a PM. I did screw up. I sent you back the outer mount you gave me not the inner mount you loaned me. I'll send the inner tomorrow. Sorry!

By the way just a note for everyone involved in this. I keep getting thank you's but you should know who else was involved.

Tom Bliznik provided the original inner and outer mount which I then had drawn up in SolidWorks. I then sent the SolidWorks file to McMark who has a shop he uses to produce some of the parts he designs. So, when you're thanking McMark and me for this, don't forget Tom because without his parts to copy, there would be no reproductions!

Thanks Tom!

Posted by: Larmo63 May 3 2017, 04:54 PM

Are they shipping soon?

Posted by: ConeDodger May 3 2017, 05:29 PM

That depends.

As McMark asked, do you mind if yours aren't bead blasted and plated? If not, contact McMark and he can price it and ship it.

Posted by: TJB/914 May 3 2017, 07:03 PM

Thanks Rob,
Don't forget Jeff Bowlsby who makes the wire harness rear fog to dash. Jeff makes good stuff.
Tom

Posted by: simonjb May 3 2017, 07:07 PM

Will they rust if they are not plated ?

Posted by: ConeDodger May 3 2017, 10:30 PM

I won't Tom. As soon as McMark starts shipping these, I'm going to see if I can set up a group buy for the proper harness. Some of these guys will want to wire it proper and such. Like me!

Posted by: Dion May 4 2017, 08:51 AM

McMark,
I'm fine with receiving the non plated parts. I'll take both mounting pieces
Clean em up and plate later. So if ya want to price it out I'm ready to buy.
Thanks guys, McMark,Rob, & Tom. Jeff too. :-)
Cheers,all.
Dion

Posted by: db9146 May 4 2017, 02:13 PM

Gosh, I sure wish they were smooth and plated like the originals.

I guess if that's not in the plans, I'll take a set as they are and do something myself.

Thanks guys.

Posted by: raynekat May 4 2017, 05:20 PM

I would say 100% would rust, unless you're going to paint it?

Posted by: McMark May 4 2017, 06:19 PM

Okay, this shoulda been obvious.

I'll work up pricing for different 'levels'. That way instead of having to stand in front of the blaster for hours, I can only spend the time on those that want it done.

Lemme run the numbers on Sunday.

Posted by: Louiscurtis May 5 2017, 03:14 PM

These are great. I would like to buy a set. Thanks for the hard work!

Posted by: raynekat May 5 2017, 05:02 PM

Definitely want to buy a set. Sent McMark PM already.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 6 2017, 09:11 AM

Sunday! Sunday! Sunday!

Mark's working up prices so get your wallets out and get ready!

Posted by: TJB/914 May 6 2017, 08:56 PM

Rob,
I have both Brackets now & I'll send yours back next week.
Your orig. factory one is real nice.
We owe a lot to Mark getting these fog light brackets fabricated.
Tom



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Posted by: McMark May 7 2017, 07:23 AM

I played around with these a little more today and I came up with way more options than I should have. But I'm not 100% happy with any of them, so I can't pick one above the others. Plus I'm not sure how much people want to spend on these. We've had everywhere from $125 a set to $20 a set batted around.

I decided to illustrate the various finishes I can produce and let you decide were the quality<->price equation should fall.

1. Raw/Unfinished - $20 These are what the laser cutting shop supplied to me, untouched.

2. Blasted - $30 These are the raw pieces hit with steel blasting grit. In the picture I've sanded a portion after blasting to illustrate that the scratches are still there, just 'hidden'. These would be good painted. 3. Polished - $50 On these I use a ScotchBrite pad on a grinder to smooth the scratch marks as much as possible. You can still see the edges where the welding didn't penetrate, leaving a line/gap. This is not a 'structural' issue. Just cosmetic. 4. Fully Worked - $75 This was was rewelded to smooth out the line/gap, then ground smooth, filed into a nice line, and then polished with the ScotchBrite. Shipping for any quantity is $7.15 Flat Rate Priority USPS. Zinc Plating is $25 for any quantity. Any of the above stages can be plated -- but be aware that plating will not hide any scratches, and I suspect the scratches in the blasted pieces will become visible after the plating process, although I'm not sure.

To Order
*Every order includes the inner and outer steel bracket.
*If you order plating, both pieces will be plated. If you do not, neither piece will be plated.
*Orders for plated brackets will take a little longer to ship.
*Either use the quick order button below which will add shipping automatically, or if you're unsure PM me with your order information.

Type

Raw Unplated $20.00 USD Blasted Unplated $30.00 USD Polished Unplated $50.00 USD Worked Unplated $75.00 USD Raw Plated $45.00 USD Blasted Plated $55.00 USD Polished Plated $75.00 USD Worked Plated $100.00 USD

Posted by: Dion May 7 2017, 08:17 AM

McMark, ordered. Thanks all.
I'm not concours bound so painted is gonna be fine for me.
Bottom line is,if it fits like it's designed.....golden!
Thanks for the research and effort.
Cheers,Dion

Posted by: 914Sixer May 7 2017, 09:14 AM

Paid for 2 sets of the raw.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 7 2017, 09:38 AM

Well there you go. Now available!

I have contacted Jeff Bowlsby to see if he has the time and inclination to do a rear fog harness group buy. When he gets back to me, I'll set it up if he's interested.

Get them while they are still available. Remember, there is a total of 50 sets and when they're gone, they're probably gone. I don't think either Mark or I would do another 50 sets as we'd likely run out of interest.

Posted by: Louiscurtis May 7 2017, 09:42 AM

Thanks for doing these! Order placed.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 7 2017, 09:42 AM

By the way, this is my original outer mount. It's plated but if you look, you see scratches. If you're obsessive, you could have them perfect. Hell, chromed! But I just want to point out, this is the way they came from the factory.


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Posted by: McMark May 7 2017, 09:59 AM

Good point of reference!

Posted by: Niklas May 7 2017, 10:01 AM

Ordered 2 sets for Sweden.

Niklas

Posted by: ConeDodger May 7 2017, 10:48 AM

Very cool! Niklas' order makes us international group buy!

Posted by: ConeDodger May 7 2017, 06:36 PM

FYI guys, I just started a separate thread for a group buy on the harness to properly hook this up. Need 20 to make it a go!

Posted by: McMark May 8 2017, 06:32 AM

Added a list of who's order I've received to the first post.

Posted by: Jett May 8 2017, 08:10 AM

Super excited to get these installed. Ordered two sets of mounts and two lights from justkampers.

Thanks for the information, education, and help!


Jeff it would be great to purchase two wiring harnesses for these !!

Posted by: ConeDodger May 9 2017, 10:38 AM

Order up guys! There are 50 sets total and when they're gone, they're probably gone forever since we will probably not sell this quantity again, and if we want to order onesy-twosy we'll get a BIG price increase!

Posted by: raynekat May 9 2017, 01:16 PM

I've sent my money into Mark already so I'm down for one.

Posted by: McMark May 9 2017, 01:29 PM

Updated the first post again...

Posted by: ConeDodger May 10 2017, 09:52 PM

get em!

Posted by: gandalf_025 May 11 2017, 09:45 AM

Wow, don't let that guy that showed up here last year selling his Ultra Expensive Plating Services see that..
His mission is to convince people his plating work is PERFECT and HAS to be that way to be correct...

Posted by: ConeDodger May 11 2017, 10:07 AM

Preparation is a large part of getting a "perfect" result in plating. That's why Mark has levels of pricing on this. As for the guy with perfect plating, if you ever get the chance to actually go to Weidman Wheels, ask Harvey to show you an original Fuchs wheel. Then have him show you one of his restored wheels. It's perfect, or as close as a human can get to that. People ask Harvey to restore their wheels to factory new condition. Harvey's response? I can't do it that badly.

Posted by: gandalf_025 May 11 2017, 11:48 AM

I will readily agree on wheels having to be perfect. They are one of the first things you notice about a car.. Even from a distance..
Plated brake hardware and stuff buried in the engine compartment, not so much.
When these cars were built, the parts were pulled from a bin, bag or box..
Nothing was perfect... Any quality plating shop will do an excellent job, without the extreme pricing..

Posted by: ConeDodger May 11 2017, 12:23 PM

That was my point. Even the Fuchs as they came from the factory weren't perfect.

Posted by: 02loftsmoor May 12 2017, 08:20 AM

sorry guys bring me up to speed please, what does this kit cost and can I still get in on it??

Posted by: Nie Zu Alt May 12 2017, 09:26 AM

Money has been set to Mark for a blasted set. Thanks everybody for making this happen!

Doug H.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 12 2017, 09:56 AM

Wes, read the thread and if you still have questions fire away.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 12 2017, 10:24 PM

Posted by: ConeDodger May 13 2017, 11:13 AM

Get your orders in. McMark put together a list of pricing based on levels of finish. You can see it by reading through the thread. Given that some are buying multiple sets, I'd guess about 25% of these are spoken for already. Once the is over, they're probably NLA. Order up! Don't wait till last call!

Posted by: TJB/914 May 13 2017, 11:16 AM

Hi Rob,

I sent you the outer bracket a few days ago.

It's in a leather bag to protect the factory original finish.

Tom

Posted by: ConeDodger May 13 2017, 11:19 AM

Hahaha! We wouldn't want those factory scratches to be destroyed!

Thanks Tom. I assume you got your inner bracket?

Posted by: Larmo63 May 13 2017, 11:22 AM

Mine were ordered this week......

Posted by: ConeDodger May 13 2017, 11:25 AM

Lawrence,
McMark hasn't updated in a few days. The weekends he sticks pretty close to Alison and not the site but I'm sure he'll update soon... thanks!

Posted by: 02loftsmoor May 13 2017, 07:31 PM

I just ordered a raw set, that is two parts correct?

Posted by: ConeDodger May 13 2017, 09:24 PM

It is an inner and outer mount. So yes, two pieces.

To complete this, you need the lamp itself (Just Kampers), and the wiring harness (see other group buy).

Posted by: ConeDodger May 14 2017, 08:58 AM

Can I help you sir?

Why yes! I'd like to order the rare rear fog light mounting parts.

Why yes sir! Coming right up!

Posted by: ConeDodger May 15 2017, 05:18 PM

I thought Tom was kidding. It arrived today, as he said, in a leather bag!


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Posted by: ConeDodger May 16 2017, 09:35 PM

Get 'em!!!

Posted by: 914Sixer May 17 2017, 05:30 AM

Paid for two raw sets, is McMark shipping yet?

Posted by: McMark May 17 2017, 06:41 AM

Should be in hands by the end of the week...

Posted by: eric914 May 17 2017, 08:46 AM

PayPal sent May 10 for sandblasted and plated set.

Thanks for setting this up.

Posted by: Dion May 18 2017, 11:26 AM

Thanks McMark, Rob, and all the other unspoken of!
Unobtanium arrived today!
Thanks!


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Posted by: jkb944t May 18 2017, 01:12 PM

I received mine today and they look great!



Jeff B

Posted by: 914Sixer May 18 2017, 01:59 PM

Got mine today.

Posted by: 02loftsmoor May 18 2017, 04:47 PM

Mine came in today.. now what is the thread for the harness?? light was easy


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Posted by: ConeDodger May 18 2017, 06:48 PM

I bumped it sort of. Top of page.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 20 2017, 10:15 AM

get em! They're ready!

Posted by: ConeDodger May 21 2017, 09:13 AM

Order up!

Posted by: ConeDodger May 23 2017, 07:49 PM

Get yours now!

Posted by: ConeDodger May 24 2017, 04:17 PM

Posted by: Larmo63 May 24 2017, 04:33 PM

Can we get an up close look at how the light attaches to the bracket with the bracket provided in the fog light kit from the supplier?

I looked at installing it, there didn't seem to be a way to use their bracket and make it look right.

Posted by: raynekat May 24 2017, 05:07 PM

The angle of the dangle doesn't look right on the bracket I just received.
The back panel these guys mount on is basically straight up and down...unless I'm not looking at it right.

When I attach my rear fog light to the bracket, and hold it up against the back panel, my light looks drastically down.
I would think it would want to look straight back.
Anyone else having a similar issue?
Maybe the mounting post on my light is at a different angle?
It's a standard Porsche rear fog light, but with a black housing.

Posted by: TJB/914 May 24 2017, 07:38 PM

Hope this helps.
Tom



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Posted by: ConeDodger May 26 2017, 12:36 PM

Posted by: Larmo63 May 26 2017, 03:13 PM

My outer plate doesn't look like that one, Tom. The light is from the British source, not the correct fit at all.

Posted by: raynekat May 26 2017, 03:47 PM

Looks just like mine that I received.....angled downward too much.
Not sure the rear fog light will do much good at such a steep angle.
Might have been a miscue in the manufacturing process?

Calling McMark and Conedodger.... help.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 26 2017, 09:52 PM

Is the back of that light black or chrome? Show the mount without the light cuddles up to it...

Posted by: Larmo63 May 26 2017, 10:00 PM

Yes, it's chrome. I'll bring it up to Mammoth, we can fiddle with it.

Posted by: 02loftsmoor May 27 2017, 11:41 AM

is there a diagram of how the factory installs the bracket as far as placement and drillings. measurements?

Posted by: raynekat May 27 2017, 09:21 PM

My housing is black.....does that matter?

Posted by: ConeDodger May 28 2017, 01:38 PM

Probably doesn't make a difference but...

Tom provided me with the example we used to do the Solidworks drawings and ultimately the manufacturing. Tom believed this was an original NLA mount. I believed Tom, Mark believed me. What you got is a copy of that.

Here are a list of possible problems:

Tom's example isn't actually a 914 rear fog light mount. In which case, it would probably work well for what it is, but not for a 914.

The guy who made the Solidworks drawing messed up the angle. I doubt this, but don't rule it out entirely - he's an MIT trained Mechanical engineer. His roommate invented the Roomba vacuum.

The possibility the chrome vs black lights are different. We need to get the chrome and black lights together for a party at WCR to see.

Obviously, Tom has a mount that works on his car. If we find that the first possibility is true, we start over with the actual exterior mount from Tom's car. If the drawing was bad, we tease Eric Purcell mercilously until he turns in his mechanical engineering card. If it's a difference in the lights, you'll have to get chrome. In any outcome, we'll get this straightened out.

Posted by: Dion May 28 2017, 09:01 PM

Lawrence is correct. I have a chrome housing, just did a trial fit. Angle is incorrect. It's too steep. Thus Fog light is aimed down too much.
Keep us posted Rob. Thanks.

Posted by: Larmo63 May 28 2017, 09:08 PM

The mount shown in the TJB post above of the yellow 914 is completely different than the one we received.

I have a pile of "just doesn't work" stuff for my 914. I'm not butthurt, but the mount is on it's way to that pile.

Posted by: McMark May 29 2017, 05:37 AM

TJB's bracket is home made. It uses M8 bolts instead of M6, and if you look at the drawing the PET it's not tall enough.

Another thought... maybe it's not supposed to point straight back. Maybe it's supposed to point at the gound. The 914 location is really high for a rear fog light. And none of the brackets that are actually on cars (if you search old posts) are using a factory bracket. By which I mean there all obviously home made. Which is fine, but those homemade installations do not make this part 'wrong'. Maybe all the homemade ones are wrong...

But regardless, it looks like the only happy medium is for me to order a fog light, redraw the bracket myself with parts in hand and send out replacements for those who want 'straight facing' rear fog lights.

In the mean time, has anyone seen a vintage picture of a 914 rear fog? Were they in any advertisements or promotional materials?

Posted by: McMark May 29 2017, 06:09 AM

Upon further reflection, nah, I'm not drawing these up again. I think I've learned my lesson about making parts.

If anyone wants a refund, just send the parts back.

Posted by: 914Sixer May 29 2017, 06:25 AM

I may be mistaken but I am almost certain I sold Tom original Porsche factory outside mount. I did not have an inside mount at the time. I think he sourced the inside elsewhere.

Posted by: McMark May 29 2017, 07:15 AM

This is the picture I'm referencing. M8 bolts, not tall enough -- assuming the PET drawing is correct. Oh and it's either bare, or silver zinc. All OEM parts should be cad plated (yellow). The rounding on the corners strikes me a non-original as well. A factory part usually doesn't have corners that round because it's harder to make the part for no benefit. Plus the factory would have die stamped these, the rounding on these corners isn't stamped, it's filed/sanded.



This is the one Rob had the drawings made from. It's yellow cad, it's got M6 mounting holes, it's got 'hard' corners from stamping. But I don't like that the holes aren't completely round, or that there are sanding scratches.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 29 2017, 07:36 AM

Perhaps McMaster Carr sells a wedge washer that would work?


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Posted by: Dion May 29 2017, 11:09 AM

No worries McMark & Rob. I'll make it work. I was thinking just that Rob.
Just a "tip up". Thanks for the link. I was gonna put a little bead of weld on
and rest the washer upon it. Didn't realize these washers existed.
Thanks .

Posted by: ConeDodger May 29 2017, 11:25 AM

If the washer works, it would probably need to be put into a drill press to redirect the hole, but might work. Mark hasn't sent me mine (or maybe ots at home and I haven't seen it yet), but this is what I'm going to try. If it works perfectly, I'll send a package to Mark to include in everyone's order.

Posted by: TJB/914 May 29 2017, 03:06 PM

Guys,
The pic of my outer bracket in the photo is stainless steel and sourced from someone I can't remember who?? The outer bracket Rob has was included in an orig. Porsche Hella Fog Light pkg. that Rob got. I agree with Mark, don't do this stuff anymore:headbang:
Tom

Posted by: sixnotfour May 29 2017, 03:29 PM

one bracket bolts directly to the fog light housing,, the other requires the swivel light...my guess

Posted by: TJB/914 May 29 2017, 03:38 PM

Guys,

The inside bracket is 100% correct since I purchased some direct from the Porsche dealer and they came from Porsche-Germany with part #'s. It was a no brainer installation since they fit on the ledge inside the trunk. The holes were drilled using the inner bracket holes.

I am showing some photo's I used to locate the fog light hole location using the inner bracket (see photos of inside and outside for location). The inner bracket is Porsche correct from the factory.

Tom


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Posted by: 02loftsmoor May 30 2017, 06:27 AM

so in a nut shell these brackets are not going to work unless you cobble something up? yes or no

Posted by: McMark May 30 2017, 06:37 AM

What do you mean by work? They work, the light just points down a bit. The conversation is essentially realizing that nobody know what the rear fog light is supposed to look like. Most people who have mounted them before this group guy, using alternative mounting methods and brackets, have mounted them straight up and down (straight back).

Nobody has a confirmed stock outer bracket. The mounting bracket that Rob (ConeDodger) had duplicated is the most likely candidate of any I've seen. And it's likely that it is original. But it makes the rear fog point down at an angle.

So it's not really about works or doesn't work -- it's about straight back or angled down.

Posted by: 02loftsmoor May 30 2017, 07:25 AM

if it's pointing down it not going to work. I bought a useless part. unless I want cobble something up, the whole idea is a direct fit, maybe a little tweaking.

Posted by: McMark May 30 2017, 09:48 AM

As I said, send it back and get your money back. Done.

Posted by: McMark May 30 2017, 10:06 AM

I need someone post a picture with the lens. Without a picture, I don't know whether to pursue trying to fix it, or just issue refunds to everyone. I need someone to help me out.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 30 2017, 10:49 AM

Mark,
Mine came, along with all the WCR stuff you sent. I'll get a picture when I get back home. Did you see the wedge washer solution?

Posted by: ConeDodger May 30 2017, 10:53 AM

Better yet, I'll send you a lens!

Posted by: McMark May 30 2017, 10:53 AM

I saw the wedge washer. I don't have a lens/light, so I can't test anything. So I'm completely blind here. All I know is what people have said. It would be REALLY nice to see WTF people are talking about.

Posted by: McMark May 30 2017, 11:00 AM

That's one way, except I'm all out of effort. I will either refund money or hopefully someone can find a way to make it work so all my effort so far isn't completely wasted. No more parts manufacturing for me.

Posted by: 02loftsmoor May 30 2017, 11:05 AM

Missed that sorry.

Posted by: 02loftsmoor May 30 2017, 04:15 PM

don't worry about it. I didn't give that much for a raw bracket.. but instead of shimming under the light could a shim under the bracket and the body work, just tossing that out there

Posted by: jd74914 May 30 2017, 04:22 PM

If you search Metric Leveling Washers on McMaster there is another option, assuming you need <5 degrees of rotation.

Posted by: Larmo63 May 30 2017, 11:11 PM

In my original picture, the fog light (sourced from England) is bolted to the bracket and facing down at that shown angle.

It is the light/Hella kit mentioned in the thread above, chrome back.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 30 2017, 11:32 PM

It could, but I'd guess it would be more obvious than a shim under the light...

Posted by: ConeDodger May 30 2017, 11:33 PM

Lawrence, bring yours to Mammoth and let's brainstorm a bit...

Posted by: simonjb May 31 2017, 01:34 PM

Damn - And I already purchased the wiring harness....
Oh Well....

Posted by: ConeDodger May 31 2017, 01:59 PM

It looks easy enough to solve. I wouldn't worry about it yet...

Posted by: ConeDodger May 31 2017, 03:22 PM

I might have it figured out.

I think Hella "superseded" a part number. If they did, and it looks possible, the mounts are correct, the lights are wrong, sort of...

If you hold the light up to the mount and then rotate it so the positioning is correct you see what I'm saying. What I'm going to try, is taking the light apart and seeing if I could re drill the hole for the mount stud and seal the old hole.

Yopu tells me I definitely want to take her shopping right now or I would do it right away and take pics.

Posted by: Firstcar May 31 2017, 05:05 PM

Brackets look fine to me - Light mounting post angle is wrong.
This link appears to be the correct light - right p/n, illustrations show correct post angle:
http://www.sierramadrecollection.com/Hella-Rear-Fog-Light-911-G-Series-p29020.html
No affiliation with vender no figment guarantee, just an observation

Posted by: raynekat May 31 2017, 05:37 PM

This is the exact light I have and she's no good with the bracket that was fab'd up.

Posted by: Firstcar May 31 2017, 06:15 PM

Ah, now I see. I was getting confused by the picture of the yellow car- that bracket looks more like a 45 degree angle. Yup, the GB bracket has a shallower angle. Sorry to add to the confusion.

Posted by: jkb944t Jun 1 2017, 10:40 AM

Does anyone have this version of the fog light?

http://www.sierramadrecollection.com/356A-55-59-/Electrical-Lights/Rear-Lights-Reflectors/Rear-3rd-Brake-Light-356-911-912-50-89-p21436.html

It looks like you could remove the adjustable bracket from the back of it and then the hole might be in the right location.

Jeff B

Posted by: 7TPorsh Jun 1 2017, 12:00 PM

Is there a lens difference between the brake and fog lights?

Posted by: Larmo63 Jun 4 2017, 04:51 PM

Rob (ConeDodger) and I talked about the rear fog light bracket angle issues at this weekend's WCR. I came home and solved the problem using Rob's advice. I drilled out a new hole 15mm higher, (there is a round circle boss there on the inside, probably for different fitment/manufacturing) and now it fits fine. Just drop in a correct size 3/8" grommet in the old/existing hole, run your wiring out there, and you're good to go. I drilled the outside of the housing, and started with a small bit, stepping up a few times. This housing is a tough piece, it was much more difficult to get through than I would have thought.

Drilling out the back of a convex chrome light is a bit of a trick, but I did it on my bench here. Make sure you use a punch as a starter, or it's not going to happen.

Posted by: Dion Jun 4 2017, 04:58 PM

Nice going Lawrence. I'll give that a go.
Nice shirt btw!

Posted by: Larmo63 Jun 4 2017, 05:05 PM

If you really want to do it trick, you could offset the hole a tiny bit so that when installed, the light points perfectly perpendicular to the car. The back of a 914 has a slight curve which makes the light shine a bit askew and not exactly straight back although it is now level.

I'm just being overly pedantic in mentioning that, but I thought of it AFTER I drilled and mounted the light to the bracket.

Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 4 2017, 05:16 PM

The group buy bracket IS correct. The Hella light part number is a superseded #...

Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 4 2017, 05:21 PM

Great job Lawrence! Great meeting you this weekend too. Pity you couldn't have brought the car. It looks good in that picture!

Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 5 2017, 10:02 AM

So here is what I discussed with Lawrence and as you can see, it worked.

Here inside is a boss with the text "21W"
If you center punch right in the middle of that and step-drill a hole in the same size as the other, the angle is perfect.

I would then get a rubber plug for the original hole, but Lawrence's method obviously works.

I would get your order in to McMark before he gets disgusted and mails the hole lot to me. He has a really low tolerance for things that keep him out of his welding helmet!


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Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 6 2017, 10:08 AM

Problem solved! Get 'em!

Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 17 2017, 02:16 PM

Well, as I said, the Group Buy bracket is correct. You see above that Lawrence did the modification to the light housing as he and I discussed at WCR17. Today, I had my first chance to do it myself.

As you can see, it works perfectly. When mounted, the light will point at the right angle.

Instead of step-drilling, (couldn't find my step-drill bit) I drilled a pilot hole big enough for a Dremel and opened up the hole, then I just drilled it to the proper size.


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Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 17 2017, 02:35 PM

And here it is mocked up. I'll mount it in a bit, Just got to get Yopu out of the garage so I have room to work.


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Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 24 2017, 11:55 AM

Hey guys! As you can see, the problem has been solved! Get your rear fog light mount parts while they last!

Posted by: 02loftsmoor Jun 25 2017, 09:07 AM

I there any measurements on where to mount on the cars body? or is it where you want it ?

Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 25 2017, 09:16 AM

That depends. If Hans was working, and it was before lunch it was one measurement. If Franz was working and it was after lunch slightly different.

Eric Shea tells me 112mm or 4.4" from the plastic edge of the outside taillight housing to the center of the outboard hole. This measurement puts our outside the hold down for our lids. Non-GT cars would be closer to the taillight.

I think it is easier to use the inside as the mount rests on the lip so if you'll wait a couple days, I'll give you those measurements. I've got today and tomorrow left on my 7 day sentence at work...

Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 25 2017, 09:29 AM

I stole these from Eric's Facebook GT build pictures folder. He won't mind. It's better than me pestering him for them by text message...

See how the outside mount doesn't rest on the lip of the body? I'll get the inside measurement and post it here...


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Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 28 2017, 07:35 PM

I think you guys with the later cars 75-76 don't need the inner mount. The back wall of the trunk is different. Probably just a couple flat washers or turn the lip inward?

Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 28 2017, 09:30 PM

And mine is mounted. I understand that the mounts at least and possibly everything from the harness to the fog light will now be handled by 914Rubber.Com.


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Posted by: Larmo63 Jun 28 2017, 09:43 PM

That looks great, Rob!!!!

How are you going to configure the light as far as how it turns on?

Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 28 2017, 10:12 PM

Correctly. I have the reproduction harness so it will be going on with my front fogs...
How about you Lawrence?

Posted by: TJB/914 Jun 29 2017, 07:50 AM

Hi Rob,

I just noticed your fog light location is based on your GT trunk straps location & I agree with Eric and your location.

Mine is located based on a plain 914 rear end about 2"+ from the edge of the tail light to the edge of the Fog Light.

So both locations is correct, right??

Tom


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Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 29 2017, 07:55 AM

I suspect the location depended on how many beers Hans had at lunch Tom.

Everything is correct! We'll sort of. Over to the left is correct...

Posted by: arne Jun 29 2017, 08:34 AM

Not in the U.K...

Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 29 2017, 08:40 AM

They've got to deal with Brexit now Arne. No one cares any more.

Seriously, I put the measurement above. Because Eric and I have GT replica cars, ours are just a little outboard. That is the measurement I put above...

Posted by: TJB/914 Jun 29 2017, 04:00 PM

Hi Rob,

Just stirring the pot. We need an official Concourse Weenie to make a statement. Hello Mr. Garvey are you there,

Both locations are correct based on a GT or Plain 914 in my opinion The goal is to drill (3) holes correctly.

Tom

Posted by: ConeDodger Jun 29 2017, 04:45 PM

Where has Pat been lately? Or has he been grounded to the O&H Forum? I love Pat. He's a wealth of knowledge.

Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 13 2017, 01:53 PM

Got these in from Original Customs and will be adding to site shortly.

Posted by: ConeDodger Oct 19 2017, 03:37 PM

Mark,
I know you bought out the rest of the mounts. Are you doing a complete kit option? I heard you were doing the harness. So, all you need then is the light housing and bulbs (the light housing comes without a bulb). I put an LED in mine. I haven't run the harness yet but I did power it up and she works nice!

Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 19 2017, 03:44 PM

Thanks Rob,
Yes putting together a complete kit and bringing in some lights too,
Mark

Posted by: jcambo7 Oct 19 2017, 09:12 PM

Just curious if this actually helps and how? How and when does it light up?

Posted by: ConeDodger Oct 19 2017, 11:03 PM

James,
I believe these were required in Germany. It lights up when you turn on your front fog lights IF you wire them correctly. I hear some are wiring it as a third brake light.
On the Autobahn, traffic comes up pretty quickly from the rear. It helps by making you more visible.

Posted by: jcambo7 Oct 20 2017, 08:00 AM

I see, that makes sense. Thanks for the knowledge!

Posted by: Cal Mar 3 2019, 06:58 AM

Bumping an old thread. I missed out on these when they were available. Mark @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 do you have these kits available....I didn't see them on your website.

Posted by: 56kabrio Mar 3 2019, 10:38 PM

I'm just seeing this for the first time as well. I'd like to get a kit if there are any available.

Thanks

Mack

Posted by: ConeDodger Mar 4 2019, 12:02 AM

You need to talk to @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 for the entire kit...

Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 4 2019, 02:25 AM

Yes we do even have the lights and wiring harness.
I'll get some pics and see if I can get Blake to get these listed up. Yes all in stock.

Posted by: 56kabrio Mar 15 2019, 09:14 PM

Mark

I would like to order a complete rear fog light kit.

Thanks

Mack

Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 18 2019, 07:06 AM

Yes and hot more of the lights in from the UK. Unfortunately they have a black plastic back, they will be available for even less for those that want them.

More in a few days,
Mark

Posted by: gtgroupe4 Sep 15 2019, 11:28 AM

I know I may be a bit late on this, but are the brackets still available?

Posted by: 914forme Sep 15 2019, 06:19 PM

I have n extra set of brackets if you need them @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=17491 I also might have the chrome back lights, if your looking for period correct look.

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21811 - I would love to order a black backed unit, do you have a link to it?

Posted by: ConeDodger Sep 15 2019, 08:41 PM

All brackets went to 914Rubber.com at the end of the initial group buy. You can buy everything from them...


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Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 16 2019, 04:13 PM

I don't yet but PM me the email I can frward a paypal invoice for ya.
-Mark

Posted by: gtgroupe4 Sep 16 2019, 05:00 PM

PM with email sent. & Thanks

So what is 'correct' black or Chrome? I thought the black Hella rear fog was correct for a 914, i.e., black fogs front and rear. 911's didn't switch over to black rear fogs until the mid 70's. Hella Kits were available with either for years.

Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 17 2019, 10:38 PM

The correct is the chrome. Black works, but not concurs.

Posted by: gtgroupe4 Sep 18 2019, 03:59 AM

Thanks, Silver it is...