Ok, I've read Old Joe Sharp's and Toast's account of my encounter with the Ventura Sheriff and have been insulted by the Arizona chapter about "sharing a cell with Brad", So maybe it's time to give the account from my eyes and ears....
Friday Nite...WCC2005....Joe Sharp's Rolling Brothel and Tequila Storage Facility Motorhome.....I must have drank most of the ToKillYa.
Saturday Morn...."How did I get here?"....Any information is welcome. No Pics please..The view from my eyes is REALLY bad.
Poker Run.....Old Joe starts out behind me in his beautimous sixer chasing Der Weisze Bandit mit the mighty four. He is unable to gain much on me as we roll down the highway and start the twisties and at that point I lose contact with him in the mirrors.
I come upon a line of teeners and proceed to make an outside pass. No problems...Jason in the Otto's Bumblebee takes offense and gives chase. Old Joe is nowhere in sight. We continue and Jason almost misses one of the required turns as I brake hard for an uphill righthander. Where's Joe
We are now rolling thru the "Land of Money I will never have" when we come upon a straight with a "Student Driver" in the lead of a sixer. A quick decision is made that the two car pass will present no problems setting up for the 90 degree left hander I can see in the distance....so one gear down...foot to the floor...I make the pass and kick it into 5th the Tachometer hits 5200 rpm as I drop back in. I'm setting the line I'm going to take as I see the odd colored domestic sedan hiding behind a bush and go hard on the brakes. Just a tad to late as I make the 90 degree. So I'm busted and find the nearest MBZ driveway to pull into and shut the Bandit off awaiting the arrival of the Blue Meanies.
I am assembling the necessary papers as the BM approached from the rear. At reaching the door, the following conversation occurs:
BM....Give me a reason for not arresting you and impounding your car (very loud voice)
Slits...Ummm, I don't have one.
BM...Do you know how fast you were going?
Slits...Not really, but I was in the lead
BM...We take reckless driving very seriously here because of the Bicyclists.
Slits...I was watching for them and didn't hit any.
BM...Give me a reason for not impounding your car!
Slits....I don't have one.
BM....No narrative here as it was a 10-15 minute scalding of reckless driving, high speed, bicyclists problems they were having and a general dressing down. I held my head in the appropriate position indicating submission (it was really hurting from the ToKillYa and I didn't want him to see my eyes closed).
Slits...15 minutes later...Yes Sir, I understand your postion and am willing to suffer the consequences. Would you like me to step out of the car so you can handcuff me?
BM....No, wait here
Slits...I hadn't planned on going anywhere.
Intermission...background sounds of radio calls, birds chirping and other teeners motoring by with a horn honk here and there.
BM....Well you seem like a good guy, so I have written this citation for 80 in a 55 which will help you a bit on the fine amount. This is a 40 zone and I am not a Highway Patrolman.
Slits...I am eternally grateful. I am sorry that my exerbuence got a bit out of hand.
Enter a semi-english speaking bicyclist..name unknown, but sounded like Sir Andy. "You did a 360 at the top of the hill, out of control"
Slits...I'm sorry Sir...that was not me..I do not lose control of my car in a turn.
SESB (see above..semi english......)...It was a car just like this one (speaking to the BM)
Slits...Sir, there are only about 99 more of these on the highway today.
BM to SESB....Sir, it wasn't him, so pedal down the road a bit and I will come talk to you after I'm finished.
BM to Slits....Please sign here (offering a pen)
Slits....I have my own sir.
BM....Here is your copy and slow down. We have a lot of problems with the Bicyclists...They even get into fights with each other over road space and you sports car guys and motorcylists don't help any. By the way, I would have pulled all six of you over, but I'm only one guy and you're it. Tell your friends they owe you a real nice dinner for this one.
Slits...They're to cheap to do that. They are all 914 owners. Have a good day sir.
Exit to the sound of the mighty four at 2500 rpm, drounding out the chirping birds and bicyclists threats of harm.
Oh, BTW....has anybody seen Old Joe Sharp?
I nominate this thread for the CLASSICS section!
this is too funny...
"BM...Do you know how fast you were going?
Slits...Not really, but I was in the lead "
So is this a petition for a maximum driving age???
Way to take one for the team. Not for John and I though. We were going the wrong way for the most part. But it was fun!
Jen
ron... how was the wedding?
btw- your eyes werent that bloodshot on sat...
QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Apr 26 2005, 01:46 PM) |
ron... how was the wedding? btw- your eyes werent that bloodshot on sat... |
QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Apr 26 2005, 12:46 PM) |
ron... how was the wedding? btw- your eyes werent that bloodshot on sat... |
QUOTE (joe buckle @ Apr 26 2005, 01:52 PM) | ||
Like you could tell. you were blowing dust and talking like someone put shag carpet on your tongue |
QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Apr 26 2005, 12:56 PM) |
ron has a soft side? no way! all those years of being a crotchety old man gone? |
QUOTE (MattR @ Apr 26 2005, 02:00 PM) | ||
Nah, thats why they make viagra. |
That sucks Ron. I wasn't around to see it or contribute but I'll buy ya lunch anyway. Those stupid ass bicyclists are idiots. I came around at least 3 blind steep uphill curves to find them right in the middle of the road doing -1 mph.
Beautiful. Just beautiful.
LMAO! that's great!!
Oh My God That's Funny. Sorry about the ticket, but at least you have a great story.
This isn't funny:
QUOTE (Headrage @ Apr 26 2005, 01:02 PM) |
Those stupid ass bicyclists are idiots. I came around at least 3 blind steep uphill curves to find them right in the middle of the road doing -1 mph. |
I admire the people that can endure the type of riding they do, but c'mon, at least stay to the side of the road and not on the center line
QUOTE (Headrage @ Apr 26 2005, 02:40 PM) |
I admire the people that can endure the type of riding they do, but c'mon, at least stay to the side of the road and not on the center line |
QUOTE (Reiche @ Apr 26 2005, 02:24 PM) |
Share the road. |
Like you can really deal with a grown man who wears spandex?
UCSB....the Republik of Isla Vista has a long standing student policy of blowing thru stop sign and light w/o even a tap on the brakes. Been going on like that for 20 years.
Local University Police and the CHP finally started pulling students and "spandex bikers" over last week and issuing 150 dollar tickets. They also were citing for earphones.
I agree, a lot of bikers are morons, but there are a lot of asshole drivers that think nothing of blowing the horn or smacking them with side view mirrors. Dorks on both sides.
WTG MAN! You rock!
About 10 years ago, I was being setup for a heist, I was driving through a bad part of town at about 2AM, with peeps all standing in the street. This one guy on a bicycle was rolling head-on towards me, and I would have to either stop, or hit him.
The added 400rpm should have been enough warning "I don't stop for crackheads on bikes", but his face looked real funny at the last second, just before he took flying lessons.
65 in a 35, he can come get what's left of his Huffy, anytime.
Nice job on the law, Ronster.
M
I knew better than to push Ron, and I'm sure that helped to keep our speeds down. If I had pushed your buttons we would both be in jail.
I owe you alot more than lunch BUDDY.
I have to addmit that I was quite relived to get away from the ticket.
Joe
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"You did a 360 at the top of the hill, out of control" |
QUOTE (anthony @ Apr 26 2005, 04:49 PM) | ||
I want to know who is actually admitting to the spin out! |
Ok, I deseve that one.
I remember someone saying they spun out at the top of the hill, but I dont remember who.
QUOTE (Reiche @ Apr 26 2005, 01:24 PM) |
Oh My God That's Funny. Sorry about the ticket, but at least you have a great story. |
QUOTE (Flat VW @ Apr 26 2005, 04:57 PM) |
Do y'all have "drivers re-edification courses" over there, like they got here? |
I'll donate a costco sized can of Tucks, that's gotta sting the ole poop shoot..
QUOTE (SLITS @ Apr 26 2005, 03:54 PM) | ||||
I heard rumors......... |
QUOTE (anthony @ Apr 26 2005, 06:49 PM) | ||
I want to know who is actually admitting to the spin out! |
QUOTE (Reiche @ Apr 26 2005, 01:24 PM) | ||
Oh My God That's Funny. Sorry about the ticket, but at least you have a great story. This isn't funny:
Maybe so, but if they hit your car you aren't dead. Yeah, my other car is a bicycle. I've never hit a car, but I have been hit by cars twice: once on a coned-off parking lot race course, another time in a bike lane. Neither time was I where I wasn't supposed to be. I got off lucky, but I knew two people who were killed in bike/car collisions. So I take this seriously. Share the road. |
I just don't see the appeal of biking on the roads up there. I would figure for biking, you'd want long straight roads, not really twisty curvy roads. Maybe one of the cyclists on the board can explain this. I just can't imagine that a bicycle is any fun to carve corners with.
Cyclists are not allowed on most freeways as far as I know, probably because they are very dangerous places for them. I would think the same should apply on these moutnain roads. At the posted speed limits it can still be dangerous like Joe said, with cyclists. Sharing the road is one thing, but if a road can't ssafely be shared, then what do you do?
-Tony
Bicylists make better road bumps than car or trucks. If I have a choise I will pick the lightest object.
Joe
QUOTE (joe buckle @ Apr 26 2005, 05:34 PM) |
My good friend is an ER doctor and has a name for that type of biker. Same thing goes for the motorcycles that zip between cars on the freeway or busy streets. he calls them "organ donors" |
Ahhh ...They were sharing, They were just taking their half out of my side...
So, let me get this straight... they don't pay gasoline taxes and yet they want to share the road? And this is now the a safety policy of LAC/VC Sheriff's Office and CHP? What wrong wit dis pictcha?
QUOTE (Howard @ Apr 26 2005, 02:10 PM) |
Like you can really deal with a grown man who wears spandex? |
It's like out of line 5 year olds.
People have asked, "Miles, what the heck should we do with hostile, or uncontrolable 5 year olds?". I have told these good folk, "Welp, first you kill a few of them, in plain view of the others....".... these people ususally turn, and run from me.. but a few see the perfection of my plan!
If their bike riding friends started disappearing, FLAPS starts selling kill markings, and JC Whitney started selling a 'Bike Catcher' that looks like a bush guard, with spikes.... well..
Armed traffic is respectful traffic.
M
QUOTE (joe buckle @ Apr 26 2005, 04:34 PM) |
I didn't go on the run, but, i had to drive my SUV up to the ranch. Alot of bikers were simply taking over the road. lots of blind corners. So, your choices are: pass them and risk hitting someone head on.........slam on the brakes and risk having someone who is tailgating slam into you. I have no problem sharing the road. the bikers in that area seem to have a real problem with sharing though. And i'm driving speed limit or less in a big F###'n SUV. My good friend is an ER doctor and has a name for that type of biker. Same thing goes for the motorcycles that zip between cars on the freeway or busy streets. he calls them "organ donors" |
QUOTE (Reiche @ Apr 26 2005, 06:45 PM) |
But in car/bike accidents, whether he's right or wrong, legal or illegal, the CYCLIST ALWAYS LOSES. |
QUOTE (Reiche @ Apr 26 2005, 07:45 PM) |
TonyAKAVW, on some twisy mountain roads, I can drop cars easily (without crossing the centerline.) It's damn fun. You might be surprised how fast a racing bike can go. redshift, one of my old riding buddies always carried a gun on rides. He was a PTSD Vietnam vet, a former door gunner. He unholstered it on more than one occasion to "impress" some tough-talking dickheads. He also shot two dogs that chased him. Like you said.... |
As an avid bicyclist, as well as lane-splitting sportbiker, and porsche owner, I wonder how the term spandex weenie came about. It takes great physical conditioning to tackle mountains on a bike. On the other hand, what level of conditioning is required to just drive a car? I think there are many more weenies behind the wheel!
QUOTE (markb @ Apr 26 2005, 06:55 PM) | ||
Doesn't that mean he should be the one being careful? Knowing he's the one that comes out on the short end of the stick (so to speak)? |
QUOTE (skline @ Apr 26 2005, 07:13 PM) |
They not only share the roads with autos and trucks, they also share the same laws as well. If you are passing cars that are doing the speed limit, then you shall suffer the same ticket or accident as well. My bet is the car or truck will win that one hands down. So it all roots back to common sense. If you dont have any, you will be killed on that bike. Sorry, its just how it is. |
QUOTE (skline @ Apr 26 2005, 07:13 PM) |
Discharging a firearm in city limits is not legal by anyone other than law enforcement. If he is just a normal citizen, he is breaking the law and should be punished as you or I would be. Retired military doesnt mean diddly in that case. |
Wheres the love for the cop that pulled SLITS over? He had to deal with this:
QUOTE (CptTripps @ Apr 26 2005, 04:28 PM) | ||||
That would have been Brando and I. We were into a turn, and a spandex-wheenie was on the wrong side of the road trying to be all fast. It was 360, or punt the biker into next week. |
That shirt rocks... see...
M
I wasn't calling for people to kill people on bikes...I was just saying who did the 360, and WHY. If that guy was 5sec earlier up the hill, this would be an entirely different thread right now.
I'll call him a spandex weenie because he was short-cutting up a twisty road on the WRONG SIDE! If you have the lege to go up a twisty hill, do it on the RIGHT side of the double-yellow line!
if caltran got busy and cut mulholland in to 4 lanes with a center turn thrown in, the cyclists wouldn't be an issue. my first thought was "who's getting the ticket?" as we came around the corner. you skated on that one ron. i figured for sure it was going to be the grey bar hotel for you.
k
QUOTE (Reiche @ Apr 26 2005, 10:43 PM) | ||||||||
I apologize. I didn't intend to hijack Slits' great story thread. I just got a little rankled by the call for vehicular homicide. Whatever the dickhead cyclists on your great drive were doing, I doubt it was a capital crime. Drive nice. The end. |
QUOTE (rhodyguy @ Apr 27 2005, 07:29 AM) |
if caltran got busy and cut mulholland in to 4 lanes with a center turn thrown in, the cyclists wouldn't be an issue. my first thought was "who's getting the ticket?" as we came around the corner. you skated on that one ron. i figured for sure it was going to be the grey bar hotel for you. k |
Ron,
Call the number on the ticket and ask if they have a "plea in abayance" (sic) program. If they do (which most do) they will hold your "plea" in "abayance" for a period of 6 months to 3 years. If you're clean during the specified time period you get no mention of it on your record. I found out about this when I got a ticket for 140 in Indiana.
It's worked everytime for me. You pay the fine but the insurance company doesn't know about it
Thanks Eric...will do....Hate to spoil my clean record (of being an asshole).
QUOTE (SLITS @ Apr 27 2005, 09:30 AM) |
Thanks Eric...will do....Hate to spoil my clean record (of being an asshole). |
QUOTE |
when speaking of ron, 'clean' and 'asshole' dont belong in the same sentence.....just ask zois |
QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Apr 27 2005, 11:12 AM) |
Ron, Call the number on the ticket and ask if they have a "plea in abayance" (sic) program. If they do (which most do) they will hold your "plea" in "abayance" for a period of 6 months to 3 years. If you're clean during the specified time period you get no mention of it on your record. I found out about this when I got a ticket for 140 in Indiana. It's worked everytime for me. You pay the fine but the insurance company doesn't know about it |
Stipulation 1: Cyclists have be idiots just like motorcyclist or sports car drivers.
Stipulation 2: Cyclists and other users of roads pay their taxes too and have just as much right to their use.
Roads are multi-use resources where you may find cars, bikes, bicycles, pedestrians and even an occasional horse. IMO, the person driving the heaviest vehicle carries the highest responsibility for not hitting someone else.
As much as I like zooming down a twisty mountain road in my 914 I don't do it when there are a lot of other users of the road. If you have to do a 360 spin in order to avoid a cyclist you are going far too fast for the conditions. There's no defense for that if you kill someone. Go have fun exploring the limits of your car at an AX or at a DE/TT.
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