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Posted by: gcrotvik Dec 19 2016, 12:08 PM

http://autokennel.com/1970-porsche-914-6-2/

VIN tags look all wrong. No pictures of the VIN in the front trunk. Porsche/Karmann never stamped their numbers that straight. The tags don't look OE. The door jamb sticker is obviously a reproduction.


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Posted by: rhodyguy Dec 19 2016, 12:29 PM

For 110k you get kybs and a tub that needs bodywork and paint. I think this car will languish for awhile.

Posted by: bretth Dec 19 2016, 12:50 PM

Wow those are some awful looking attempts at reproduction tags. If the car is even for real what idiot had them replaced?

Brett

Posted by: jrblackbox Dec 19 2016, 12:53 PM

Is that the correct speedometer?

Posted by: flyer86d Dec 19 2016, 01:15 PM

How about those rear wheel arches. They look a little too round.

Posted by: Mike Fitton Dec 19 2016, 01:36 PM

Quote from the ad:

"The paint job was high quality for the time and fortunately they left the doorjambs, trunks, and engine bay all original paint (verified with a paint meter)."

So why all the redone labels and plates? What about the stamped chassis number in the rear trunk floor.

Posted by: 396 Dec 19 2016, 02:07 PM

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Posted by: PlantMan Dec 19 2016, 02:25 PM

I agree. Those fenders look rolled.

Posted by: Catorse Dec 19 2016, 02:27 PM

No affiliation but the broker is 100% legit and very well known in the SoCal Porsche scene if that helps....

Posted by: gms Dec 19 2016, 03:43 PM

not only are the vin tag fonts incorrect the dot sticker is a repro with the wrong build date. I don't think they were making 1970 YOM cars in October

here is #2344 for comparison (06/70)

Posted by: gms Dec 19 2016, 03:56 PM

what does this have to do with the car????

Posted by: SirAndy Dec 19 2016, 04:02 PM

#9140432357

I'm pretty sure adding a repro VIN tag is not legal in CA and them tags are most certainly repros.

That's a HUGE red flag right there ...

Posted by: rgalla9146 Dec 19 2016, 04:03 PM

Unsightly hood emblem
High polish on Fuchs, never a good thing.
Boatload of Armorall
.....and much more
oh, and what's up with the rear bumper ? faux diamond plate on license plate area ?

Posted by: 914Sixer Dec 19 2016, 04:04 PM

Too much reproduction stuff.

Posted by: gms Dec 19 2016, 04:18 PM

is that what you do when you cant get the bumper flat

Posted by: sixnotfour Dec 19 2016, 04:34 PM

the sales guy for auto kennel always writes adds like this..He spins yarns about all their cars.....some truth ,but no facts that pertain to the car...or only slightly,,,He was a gentle old man and only rolled it ten times is probably closer to the truth..

That front tag is out of Germany and is chemically etched, not even stamped..I have one..

Posted by: forrestkhaag Dec 19 2016, 04:35 PM

I will drop by tomorrow mid day and take a few pix for my "friend" that is interested....

Under the trunk mat should tell the tale. Or at lease shed some light on it.

of a real -6...............

Here is my fake one in the making... And yes,... the rear fenders had to be rolled slightly to get the 7 inchers to roll after mounting.....




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Posted by: North Coast Jim Dec 19 2016, 04:39 PM

Windshield VIN tags looks like one from Car Bone in Poland. All wrong

Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Dec 19 2016, 04:57 PM

The number spacing isn't even right.

Posted by: stugray Dec 19 2016, 05:12 PM

The VIN tags dont even look stamped. They look like laser etching.

Posted by: sixaddict Dec 19 2016, 05:13 PM

Ever wonder why a car with only 25k miles and only too loving owners needs so damn much work

Posted by: gcrotvik Dec 19 2016, 05:20 PM

That would explain why they are so perfectly aligned and spaced.

Posted by: fixer34 Dec 19 2016, 05:54 PM

My thoughts exactly. Even being 45 yrs old, an engine/trans shouldn't need a full rebuild with that low of mileage.

Posted by: mepstein Dec 19 2016, 06:14 PM

Unless it's documented, mileage is easy to fake. Anybody can drop a different speedo in a car or adjust the current one. Some states require mileage on the title but some don't. That car looks super sketchy but I'm not a numbers matching guy so real six / fake six, whatever.

Posted by: lalee914 Dec 19 2016, 06:32 PM

For some reason, I can't see the photos on the Autokenel web site.

Posted by: jmill Dec 19 2016, 07:21 PM

Did the 70 not have the fender stamped vin?

Posted by: KELTY360 Dec 19 2016, 07:45 PM

So entertaining when this group sinks it's teeth into a story that doesn't add up.

Posted by: walterolin Dec 19 2016, 08:02 PM

Yes it did, at least the fours.

Would like to see a photo of the fender and the chassis number in the trunk.

Posted by: mskala Dec 19 2016, 08:25 PM

Yes it should have the fender stamped VIN. Would be very interesting to see
that area.

Also, what the hell does original miles even mean when most of the car has
been painted and the rear fenders were obviously welded with different flare
shape.

Posted by: rudedude Dec 19 2016, 08:27 PM

10/70 would be a '71

Posted by: rgalla9146 Dec 19 2016, 08:47 PM

All three identifiers shown are replacements.
The two 'stamped in' ones are not shown.
Somethin' fishy.

Posted by: jmill Dec 19 2016, 09:02 PM

But at least we've got pictures of his wife, kids and dog. So that all lines up.

Posted by: Rand Dec 19 2016, 09:12 PM

It is the auto kennel after all, where stray dogs go to market.

Posted by: pete000 Dec 19 2016, 11:31 PM

Nice price, not so nice six..IMHO...

Terrible paint...

Posted by: Larmo63 Dec 20 2016, 12:02 AM

Those rear fenders are AWFUL.

The VINs look illegal.

I doubt if this car is at his shop. Paul needs to be made aware of the problems pointed out in this thread.

Posted by: porschetub Dec 20 2016, 02:51 AM

for that money any buyer with any sense needs 100% on this car,not even close......

Posted by: Cuda911 Dec 20 2016, 04:56 AM

What's with the dimples in the 4s? Clearly not stamped.

At least we know that in fact Frank Hubbard has indeed passed.










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Posted by: Mike Fitton Dec 20 2016, 07:38 AM

Either someone hacked into Auto Kennel's site and listed this car or their reputation is going to take a big hit.

Posted by: bretth Dec 20 2016, 09:36 AM

Hah! <oldManVoice>"If you want to buy my car you have to watch my slide show from our family vacations"</oldManVoice>

Posted by: gcrotvik Dec 20 2016, 09:40 AM

I emailed Paul this morning and passed on this link thread. He replied with the following:

Thx Greg. Really appreciate the heads up. We are pulling it off our site this am and bringing in some big guns in the 914 world to go through the car with me.

After that, we will see what we want to do.

Cheers,

Paul

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 20 2016, 09:42 AM

Stand up guy! That's what should always happen when the authenticity of a car is raised. Way to go Auto Kennel

Posted by: lalee914 Dec 20 2016, 09:44 AM

Another small thing that is kind of odd is the carbs. The drivers side has a SN of 1054 while the passengers side looks like 5753. It seems that the serial numbers should be closer together than that. My old car (9140431688) had carb SNs 958 and 1355. It would seem that this car should have had carbs numbered in the 5000 range.

Is it a case of the factory using whatever carbs were sitting on the shelf or did something happen to required replacing one?

Posted by: 396 Dec 20 2016, 09:59 AM

Here's my. 02 cents, again lot of conjecture here from everyone sitting behind a monitor.

As for the factory using a " match " serial number webber carbs...is asking a lot. If one was missed place, would they stop the production line until they found it...

If your interested, call and or stop by to evaluate to your satisfaction...oh, I have no interest in this - 6....

Posted by: gms Dec 20 2016, 10:42 AM

As always I stand 100% behind my comments and evaluations.

Posted by: rhodyguy Dec 20 2016, 10:51 AM

WTH? Auto Kennel isn't even sure what they have and they're trying to sell it? Do they OWN the car or are they just 'representing' it and taking a cut?

Posted by: Autokennel Dec 20 2016, 11:09 AM

Hi All,

I first off what to thank those with constructive criticism. We know the car is a 914-6 and know the people who are involved with the ownership. The car is on consignment as are the majority of our cars. We simply do not buy cars and flip them.

Occasionally, we will sell something from our personal collection. When I say "we" it is just me and my retired dad part time. We've been doing this for close to 20-years (think hobby that got out of control).

Yes, we are not perfect and make mistakes. We are trying to figure out what is going on with the VIN badges.

Once we investigate these items further, we will post our findings. At that time, we will decide if we want to represent the car or simply give it back to the owner.

Once again, I thank you all for pointing out things that aren't right.

If you have any specific questions, please do not hesitate to call me.

Cheers and happy holidays,

Paul

Posted by: rhodyguy Dec 20 2016, 11:27 AM

Fair enough. Answering questions outfront goes a long way around here. GLWTS.

Posted by: 396 Dec 20 2016, 12:20 PM

gms, your comment about the vin tag is valid. I was not referring to you.

Like your self, I'm a -6 owner too. Been one since 75.
Only thing that I don't do is to dissect the car. I simply drive it and develop it for the POC events that I used to participate in.

Posted by: Ferg Dec 20 2016, 12:31 PM

very good to hear.

Posted by: Larmo63 Dec 20 2016, 12:51 PM

I know Paul and he is a stand up guy. I doubt that we will see this car represented by Autokennel in the future.

Posted by: Kaeferfreund Dec 20 2016, 01:30 PM

Hi guys,

interesting discussion. Hmm...I remember that there was an ebay auction last year in October. Having seen all the pics from Autokennel, now I'm quite sure, that this was the same car offered one year ago for 75k USD.

The yellow one had 7" rims and indeed, it has some fender work as someone from the 914world community told last year.

See some more here:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=266723&st=0&p=2253399&#entry2253399

Posted by: 914 Dec 20 2016, 06:54 PM

Nice King Air...

Posted by: 6freak Dec 21 2016, 04:06 PM

very interesting! maybe a fire victim......

Posted by: tod914 Mar 9 2018, 11:43 PM

Hey fellas. Bump for an old thread.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/porsche/914/2046300.html

Posted by: rgalla9146 Mar 10 2018, 07:01 AM

Hey Tod !!!!
Did you move to Siberia ?
Long time gone.
Regarding the yellow 6 .....new line of BS by a new purveyor of an 'honest' , 'original'
car.
Rory

Posted by: tod914 Mar 10 2018, 08:04 AM

Hey Rorry, good see you. Did a move, so cars kind of took a back seat so to speak Down in Central Jersey now, not a Gulag. How's NNJ 914 crew been?

Posted by: pete000 Mar 10 2018, 11:11 AM

Listing pulled...

Posted by: iwanta914-6 Mar 10 2018, 04:32 PM

You must have tried the original listing from 2016...

Posted by: pete000 Mar 10 2018, 05:57 PM

Oh yea didn't see the date it was first published...Looks like they made some new id tags for it...

Posted by: tod914 Mar 11 2018, 05:19 PM

Listing isn't pulled, unless I'm missing something. Showing current inventory on the dealer's web page. Web page is 2018

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/porsche/914/2046300.html


https://inventory.driversource.com/vehicles/550/1970-porsche-914-6

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 11 2018, 05:51 PM

You missed the first and original post in this thread. The link posted there is no longer active.

Posted by: worn Mar 11 2018, 06:36 PM

Here we are 2018. Seems a sad and pitiful way to make a living. That is if I understand the situation, a rarity at that.

Posted by: Vacca Rabite Mar 12 2018, 05:53 PM

The new listing has a pic of the fender VIN stamped in.

Zach

Posted by: DEC Mar 13 2018, 02:49 PM

the VIN of my 6 is stamped the VIN shown in the adds looks for me like embossed