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Posted by: smg914 Jan 13 2017, 09:24 PM
William Grier and I have been assembling Brutus for a few weeks now. We began with a naked tub which had received a nearly 2 year complete body restoration and paint job. We reached a major milestone today......see video. Note: the wheels that are currently on Brutus are borrowed from a 1973 911RS.
trim.D9417D4B_BD9B_4903_B66B_DA36442E243A.MOV ( 934.38k )
Number of downloads: 1216
Posted by: KELTY360 Jan 13 2017, 09:48 PM
Very interesting. Care to update the story of Brutus?
Posted by: Rob-O Jan 13 2017, 09:54 PM
Link doesn't work for me...
Posted by: smg914 Jan 13 2017, 10:04 PM
I attempted to add the video attachment from my iPad but I guess it didn't work. Obviously I'm out of town but when I return home in a few more weeks, I will download it again from my desktop. Unless In the mean time I can figure out why it didn't load properly.
Posted by: Montreal914 Jan 13 2017, 10:06 PM
Very interesting. Care to update the story of Brutus?
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Posted by: smg914 Jan 13 2017, 10:17 PM
Very interesting. Care to update the story of Brutus?
Brutus was the first 916 produced and is the only one with a 914-6 VIN. Purchased a few years ago and it's new owners had the body completely restored by Kirk Schueman (same guy that did George's 916 and his M471). William and I are doing the assembly in our own private carpeted room at Auto Atlanta.
Posted by: gulf908 Jan 13 2017, 10:31 PM
There is a good section on Brutus in the second RS book.
When I was visiting Porsche in late 1974 Brutus was parked in the customer delivery yard.
No camera then so no pics. 
I knew it was a different 914 but not how significant it was.
I look forward to a good photo essay in due course !
Cheers
Dennis. 
Posted by: altitude411 Jan 13 2017, 10:37 PM
I attempted to add the video attachment from my iPad but I guess it didn't work. Obviously I'm out of town but when I return home in a few more weeks, I will download it again from my desktop. Unless In the mean time I can figure out why it didn't load properly.
Link works for me...
Posted by: smg914 Jan 13 2017, 10:42 PM
I attempted to add the video attachment from my iPad but I guess it didn't work. Obviously I'm out of town but when I return home in a few more weeks, I will download it again from my desktop. Unless In the mean time I can figure out why it didn't load properly.
Link works for me...
Hmmmm, "Cool"
Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 13 2017, 11:39 PM
I attempted to add the video attachment from my iPad but I guess it didn't work. Obviously I'm out of town but when I return home in a few more weeks, I will download it again from my desktop. Unless In the mean time I can figure out why it didn't load properly.
Link works for me...
Hmmmm, "Cool"
Worked for me!
Posted by: whitetwinturbo Jan 13 2017, 11:43 PM
Link works with Win7Professional 
Posted by: Mueller Jan 14 2017, 12:26 AM
William Grier and I have been assembling Brutus for a few weeks now. We began with a naked tub which had received a nearly 2 year complete body restoration and paint job. We reached a major milestone today......see video. Note: the wheels that are currently on Brutus are borrowed from a 1973 911RS.
trim.D9417D4B_BD9B_4903_B66B_DA36442E243A.MOV ( 934.38k )
Number of downloads: 1216Neat, thanks for sharing.
Posted by: carr914 Jan 14 2017, 06:11 AM
Obviously I'm out of town but when I return home in a few more weeks
Need me to exercise the M471 while you are away?
Posted by: gms Jan 14 2017, 10:33 AM
that is awesome Steve!
Posted by: Perry Kiehl Jan 14 2017, 07:18 PM
How is William? Does he still have the green 6, #1205?
Posted by: smg914 Jan 15 2017, 08:57 PM
How is William? Does he still have the green 6, #1205?
William has been a joy to work with. And yes he still has 1205.
Posted by: smg914 Jan 15 2017, 09:08 PM
that is awesome Steve!
Thanks Glen. I really look forward to installing the Brutus emblem. It's been quite a challenge putting Brutus back together. Finished installation of the ventilation system today.
Posted by: smg914 Jan 15 2017, 09:13 PM
Posted by: Alapone Oct 24 2018, 12:05 AM
I was at the Peterson vault museum tour today, saw brutus . The tour guide informed the group that there were 4 of them made. Not sure if he meant 916s ? Which we know 11 were made. Is the car currently at Peterson the one described on this thread? It also wore a 2.9 badge. If anyone has more info on what I saw today I’d appreciate it. Thanks
Andrew
Posted by: bahnzai Oct 24 2018, 06:23 AM
I just came across a great article on this car in the August issue of Panarama (PCA magazine). Sounds like a one of a kind, even amount 916s. It originally belonged to Ferdinand Piech’s daughter, Corina. The article says it had a unique prototype 2.9L putting out 345 hp.
Posted by: bahnzai Oct 24 2018, 06:39 AM
Posted by: Chris H. Oct 24 2018, 09:24 AM
...The article says it had a unique prototype 2.9L putting out 345 hp....
That would make it quite a handful...of fun...
Posted by: Alapone Oct 24 2018, 11:04 AM
thanks guys, I think I can get a hold of that issue.
Posted by: 914_7T3 Oct 24 2018, 01:18 PM
Photos from last month at the Petersen!
Posted by: mepstein Oct 24 2018, 01:33 PM
I’d love to hear details of the assembly from Steve. There looks to be a lot of large and small differences from a typical 914-6. Some parts similar to a GT and others unlike any other car.
Posted by: Alapone Oct 24 2018, 02:24 PM
I was trying to take some pics but didnt want to risk getting booted from the tour (no pics allowed in the vault)
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 24 2018, 02:46 PM
here is a start:
http://www.914club.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=437219&hl=brutus
I’d love to hear details of the assembly from Steve. There looks to be a lot of large and small differences from a typical 914-6. Some parts similar to a GT and others unlike any other car.
Posted by: mepstein Oct 24 2018, 04:46 PM
here is a start:
http://www.914club.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=437219&hl=brutus
I’d love to hear details of the assembly from Steve. There looks to be a lot of large and small differences from a typical 914-6. Some parts similar to a GT and others unlike any other car.
That was ok but I’m sure there’s a lot more to the car.
Posted by: VegasRacer Oct 24 2018, 11:47 PM
Is Brutus available for Stud Service with Elvira? 
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 25 2018, 08:11 AM
Not really, We got this car as a pile of junk, and completely dismantled it to a bare body shell and began to rebuild the wreck and rust and horror for two years, finally reassembling it and locating many many many missing parts. Please remember that this car started as a stock 914-6 NOT build from a body in white as the rest of the 916s were, so it was virtually a "conversion job".
A couple of things though: Installing the headliner was a challenge as we actually had no idea how it was installed until we looked at our 916 and even that was not good enough as we could not take it out to see how it was done. The car had a wooden floor board and attachment stop on the passenger side just like a 911, and the seats, although looking like a stock 914 seat were taller with webbing in the bottom rather than the fiberglass bucket. The oil lines, GT tank, and some of the wiring was a challenge, but the rest was just like a 914 reassembly that we do here every day
here is a start:
http://www.914club.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=437219&hl=brutus
I’d love to hear details of the assembly from Steve. There looks to be a lot of large and small differences from a typical 914-6. Some parts similar to a GT and others unlike any other car.
That was ok but I’m sure there’s a lot more to the car.
Posted by: mepstein Oct 25 2018, 08:18 AM
Not really, We got this car as a pile of junk, and completely dismantled it to a bare body shell and began to rebuild the wreck and rust and horror for two years, finally reassembling it and locating many many many missing parts. Please remember that this car started as a stock 914-6 NOT build from a body in white as the rest of the 916s were, so it was virtually a "conversion job".
A couple of things though: Installing the headliner was a challenge as we actually had no idea how it was installed until we looked at our 916 and even that was not good enough as we could not take it out to see how it was done. The car had a wooden floor board and attachment stop on the passenger side just like a 911, and the seats, although looking like a stock 914 seat were taller with webbing in the bottom rather than the fiberglass bucket. The oil lines, GT tank, and some of the wiring was a challenge, but the rest was just like a 914 reassembly that we do here every day
here is a start:
http://www.914club.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=437219&hl=brutus
I’d love to hear details of the assembly from Steve. There looks to be a lot of large and small differences from a typical 914-6. Some parts similar to a GT and others unlike any other car.
That was ok but I’m sure there’s a lot more to the car.
Just knowing what went into the 2.9 engine to get it to 325hp would be pretty cool. Was there any body reinforcement done. Oil line detail, suspension setup, ect.
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 25 2018, 10:09 AM
the engine builder Drew would know all about that, suprisingly the engine looked good inside when taken apart, virtually a racing engine.
car had chassis stiffening installed yes.
Not really, We got this car as a pile of junk, and completely dismantled it to a bare body shell and began to rebuild the wreck and rust and horror for two years, finally reassembling it and locating many many many missing parts. Please remember that this car started as a stock 914-6 NOT build from a body in white as the rest of the 916s were, so it was virtually a "conversion job".
A couple of things though: Installing the headliner was a challenge as we actually had no idea how it was installed until we looked at our 916 and even that was not good enough as we could not take it out to see how it was done. The car had a wooden floor board and attachment stop on the passenger side just like a 911, and the seats, although looking like a stock 914 seat were taller with webbing in the bottom rather than the fiberglass bucket. The oil lines, GT tank, and some of the wiring was a challenge, but the rest was just like a 914 reassembly that we do here every day
here is a start:
http://www.914club.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=437219&hl=brutus
I’d love to hear details of the assembly from Steve. There looks to be a lot of large and small differences from a typical 914-6. Some parts similar to a GT and others unlike any other car.
That was ok but I’m sure there’s a lot more to the car.
Just knowing what went into the 2.9 engine to get it to 325hp would be pretty cool. Was there any body reinforcement done. Oil line detail, suspension setup, ect.
Posted by: Alapone Oct 25 2018, 12:14 PM
the engine builder Drew would know all about that, suprisingly the engine looked good inside when taken apart, virtually a racing engine.
car had chassis stiffening installed yes.
Not really, We got this car as a pile of junk, and completely dismantled it to a bare body shell and began to rebuild the wreck and rust and horror for two years, finally reassembling it and locating many many many missing parts. Please remember that this car started as a stock 914-6 NOT build from a body in white as the rest of the 916s were, so it was virtually a "conversion job".
A couple of things though: Installing the headliner was a challenge as we actually had no idea how it was installed until we looked at our 916 and even that was not good enough as we could not take it out to see how it was done. The car had a wooden floor board and attachment stop on the passenger side just like a 911, and the seats, although looking like a stock 914 seat were taller with webbing in the bottom rather than the fiberglass bucket. The oil lines, GT tank, and some of the wiring was a challenge, but the rest was just like a 914 reassembly that we do here every day
here is a start:
http://www.914club.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=437219&hl=brutus
I’d love to hear details of the assembly from Steve. There looks to be a lot of large and small differences from a typical 914-6. Some parts similar to a GT and others unlike any other car.
That was ok but I’m sure there’s a lot more to the car.
Just knowing what went into the 2.9 engine to get it to 325hp would be pretty cool. Was there any body reinforcement done. Oil line detail, suspension setup, ect.
Yes very curious about the specs of the 2.9.
Posted by: larryM Oct 29 2018, 08:38 PM
very curious about the specs of the 2.9.
X2 - how did they do 345hp?
a 88-89 3.2 was 215hp
... the period 2.0 911R was about 200-210 with IDAs, which itself is hard to understand
Posted by: gulf908 Oct 29 2018, 09:17 PM
is the lime pinstriping going to make a reappearance ?
cheers
Dennis
Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 29 2018, 09:37 PM
X2 - how did they do 345hp?
High compression (race gas only), spin it fast, optimize it for top-end power. Hey, it only has to last 24 hours before rebuild, right?
--DD
Posted by: mepstein Oct 30 2018, 06:51 AM
very curious about the specs of the 2.9.
X2 - how did they do 345hp?
a 88-89 3.2 was 215hp
... the period 2.0 911R was about 200-210 with IDAs, which itself is hard to understand
2.0 race engines used to get 220-240, now they are making 265-280. I think Brutus had an engine from an RSR or something similar so 345 sounds right. It probably isn't easy to drive around the neighborhood but a blast on the autobahn.
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