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Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 12:10 AM

Gauging interest, Bumpers, Stainless steel.
Group buy, ten sets and it's a go. Note we now do have more than ten potential buyers.

Looks like $1200/set plus shipping, Shipping will be approximately $150.
Yes sorry please note the price has gone up.


Shipping would be by UPS, Fedex or TNT what ever works out the best.
You will get a tracking number.

304 polished Stainless steel, thickness is 1.5 (.060) to 2mm (.079), the stock sheet is 2mm the bending and stretching means some areas get thinner.
With brackets, we can delete the tit bolt holes and the licence plate mount holes on the front.

Would at least be 8 weeks out, I have to get the first set for approval.

I will want a deposit say $250, the deposit will be non refundable*, but you can give/sell it to someone else.
Balance would be due before shipping TBA.

I won't be taking deposits till I approve the sample set.

If you have some points to make on what features you want or concerns you may have, now's the time to speak up.
So if your interested chime in, but please only if you are serious on getting in on the buy.



*Notes
Price is not 100% firm yet, lets say it's 97% firm. If in the odd chance the deal doesn't pan out or if there's an unreasonable price increase the deposit would be refunded.
That said I don't expect problems either way.
Besides I won't be taking deposits till the the final approval and the price is nailed down.
Sorry my fellow Canadians...of course the prices are in USD.

Options

Note I have changed the option from "delete " to "ADD"
All bumpers have no licence plate, bumperette (tit) or tow ring/hook holes. (all bumpers will have the bumper top holes, fog light/grill square holes)
Please ADD the holes you wish to have.


Option A/ ADD tit bolt holes. N/C
Option B/ ADD front plate bolt holes. N/C
Option C/ ADD rear plate bolt holes. N/C
Option D/ ADD rear tow hook hole. N/C
Option E/ Front bumper cooler mod. $150 (guesstimate price at this point, final price and availability TBA)


Buyers list

JmuRiz, one set, option C, D, E *
maf914, one set, option C, *
sb914, one set
billh1963, one set, option C, *
mepstein, one set, option C, E*. note 2nd set likely PM before close
Norskpole, one set, option C, E (was delete A, B, D)
hoizonntally-opposed, one set
ED_914, one set, option E *
mb911, one set, options C, D
72914wrx, one set, option C, D, E (was delete A, B, D)
72914wrx, one set for his dad, option C
Bartlett 914, options none *
zerliq, option C, E (was delete A, B, D)
amfab,options C (was delete A, B, D)
olympic 1.7, set options C, D
bahnzai, set, option E
zoedog, set, option C, D
Mitox, set, option C, E
live free & drive, set, option C
jet1, set, option C
cuddyk, option B, C, D
JimFitz33, options A, B, C, D
Mikey914, set

DickSteinkamp, option C and E, set

live free & drive, front only, option E
JOEPROPER, Front only, option B,C, D (was delete options A)
pete000, two front only
DB9146, front


* member has checked their order



All bumpers have no holes unless you chose an option above.

Just a general disclaimer:

The car I'm using to check the fit is my cherry, never been hit anywhere anyhow '74 914.
I'm also sending bumper tops so the fit of the top can be checked, I have good condition bumper tops on my end to verify the fit.
I'm doing a shit load of work here guys.

If your car has been hit, rust restored, etc. etc. etc. I can NOT be responsible for poor fit.

These also should be considered 10 foot away bumpers, I'm trying for more like 5 foot away.
That means from 10 feet away they look perfect.
If you're expecting absolutely perfect concours quality bumpers please do NOT buy these bumpers. Get your OE bumpers rechromed.

Posted by: altitude411 Jan 20 2017, 12:21 AM

*ATTEN MODS

Is this a spam thread? Are you gonna post it in every forum?

Seriously

I'm interested in front bumper only. (no holes) Maybe someone only needs the rear? I'll split the costs... say 30-70? OK 40-60 (rear bumper is heavier)

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 12:27 AM

QUOTE(altitude411 @ Jan 20 2017, 01:21 AM)

Is this a spam thread? Are you gonna post it in every forum?

I'm interested in front bumper only. Maybe someone only needs the rear? I'll split the costs... say 30-70? OK 40-60 (rear bumper is heavier)

Posted by: altitude411 Jan 20 2017, 12:32 AM

Copy that Mark but I don't think they make early rear? It's for my six and I'm tired of trying to find a front in good condition....

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 12:36 AM

QUOTE(altitude411 @ Jan 20 2017, 01:32 AM)

Posted by: altitude411 Jan 20 2017, 12:39 AM

So are these the stainless bumpers that are already on the market or a new manufacturer?

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 12:50 AM

QUOTE(altitude411 @ Jan 20 2017, 01:39 AM)

Posted by: altitude411 Jan 20 2017, 01:08 AM

*edit (re-upped my reading comprehensive skills)

Posted by: Ed_914 Jan 20 2017, 03:23 AM

Can you do the front ones to incorporate the space for an oil cooler like I think Mcmarck has done on a few.

Posted by: Coondog Jan 20 2017, 06:03 AM

Got mine at HPH. I know AA sells these also and there is a place in the U.K that also has them. I am assuming yours are from the same manufacturer......Vietnam ?

Makes no differance your price is better.....
For those who don't know the differance between stainless and chrome you would have a hard time telling them apart. My bumper shines up way better then this pic shows.

Posted by: mepstein Jan 20 2017, 06:08 AM

I'm in for a set
Option A,B,D,E

Thank you

Posted by: billh1963 Jan 20 2017, 06:32 AM

I'm in for a set

Posted by: sb914 Jan 20 2017, 07:02 AM

Wow! Great deal. I had mine re chromed cost me ALOT more !

Posted by: maf914 Jan 20 2017, 07:36 AM

Mark, I am in for a pair (dependent on your final approval of course). Thanks for your efforts on this.

Posted by: JmuRiz Jan 20 2017, 07:47 AM

I'm in for a set

Option C/ ADD rear plate bolt holes. N/C
Option D/ ADD rear tow hook hole. N/C
Option E/ Front bumper cooler mod. $150

Update: I'm in for option E...that way if I need a cooler in the future I'm set

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 08:31 AM

QUOTE(Ed_914 @ Jan 20 2017, 04:23 AM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 08:45 AM

I've added an options list to Post #1, please add your options to your reply.
No charge to deleting holes, it's actually less work.
So if you want no holes at all type Options A,B,C,D

Also if you are in the buy your name will be on the first post.

Options

Option A/ Delete tit bolt holes F/R. N/C
Option B/ Delete front plate bolt holes. N/C
Option C/ Delete rear plate bolt holes. N/C
Option D/ Delete rear tow hook hole. N/C
Option E/ Front bumper cooler mod. $150 (guesstimate price at this point, final price and availability TBA)

Posted by: billh1963 Jan 20 2017, 08:50 AM

I want options A, B and D

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 08:55 AM

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Jan 20 2017, 09:50 AM)

Posted by: JOEPROPER Jan 20 2017, 09:18 AM

I would like only a front. Option A. Is that something you can do?

Joe-

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 09:37 AM

QUOTE(JOEPROPER @ Jan 20 2017, 10:18 AM)

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jan 20 2017, 10:37 AM

I'd be in for a set if the early rear bumper can be done.

Might be good to see more pics of the product. Are these the bumpers that are a bit different than factory bumpers, particularly where they wrap around the outer edges of the car, just under the bumper rubber? I remember that being a very minor difference.

Price is GREAT.

Posted by: Norskpole Jan 20 2017, 10:48 AM

I'm in for a set

Options A, B, D & E
Early rear bumper, if available

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 10:55 AM

QUOTE(Norskpole @ Jan 20 2017, 11:48 AM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 11:04 AM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Jan 20 2017, 11:37 AM)

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 20 2017, 11:43 AM

Mark,

With the set for the 73 - will the front have the extra set of back-braces behind the tits - as on the factory bumpers - i.e.: 4 back braces - or just be a "bare" metal backside with just the 2 mounting braces only?

Also, will shipping cost vary by destination - further/closer?

You might also consider adding the 74-only rear with tit holes & back braces for others on here with 74s.

TIA for the info & Thanx in any case for doing this for everyone!
Tom
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Posted by: amfab Jan 20 2017, 12:00 PM

I am very interested in a set Option—A, B and D.
I would like to see picts of the oil cooler option, and any other picts

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 12:18 PM

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jan 20 2017, 12:43 PM)

Mark,

With the set for the 73 - will the front have the extra set of back-braces behind the tits - as on the factory bumpers - i.e.: 4 back braces - or just be a "bare" metal backside with just the 2 mounting braces only?

Also, will shipping cost vary by destination - further/closer?

You might also consider adding the 74-only rear with tit holes & back braces for others on here with 74s.

TIA for the info & Thanx in any case for doing this for everyone!
Tom
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QUOTE(amfab @ Jan 20 2017, 01:00 PM)

Posted by: amfab Jan 20 2017, 12:41 PM

Is the plan to do it like the GT opening where the full opening is completed by the valence? or is it some other configuration?

Posted by: Ed_914 Jan 20 2017, 12:42 PM

one set please option A,B,C,D,E if you can ship to the UK

Posted by: Mike Fitton Jan 20 2017, 12:57 PM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Jan 20 2017, 04:03 AM)

Got mine at HPH. I know AA sells these also and there is a place in the U.K that also has them. I am assuming yours are from the same manufacturer......Vietnam ?

Makes no differance your price is better.....
For those who don't know the differance between stainless and chrome you would have a hard time telling them apart. My bumper shines up way better then this pic shows.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 01:08 PM

QUOTE(Ed_914 @ Jan 20 2017, 01:42 PM)

QUOTE(amfab @ Jan 20 2017, 01:41 PM)

QUOTE(Mike Fitton @ Jan 20 2017, 01:57 PM)

Posted by: mb911 Jan 20 2017, 01:12 PM

I would be interested in a set A and B.. What kind of time frame are you thinking as I am not even close to ready for them.

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 20 2017, 01:20 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 20 2017, 11:18 AM)

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jan 20 2017, 12:43 PM)

Mark,

With the set for the 73 - will the front have the extra set of back-braces behind the tits - as on the factory bumpers - i.e.: 4 back braces - or just be a "bare" metal backside with just the 2 mounting braces only?

Also, will shipping cost vary by destination - further/closer?

You might also consider adding the 74-only rear with tit holes & back braces for others on here with 74s.

TIA for the info & Thanx in any case for doing this for everyone!
Tom
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Hi Tom at this price there will be no wiggle room for one year only options.

In fact I think the holes option may be off the table, likely they will come with no tit, licence and tow hook holes. But it's pretty simple to drill them yourself and I could make templates.

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Jan 20 2017, 01:25 PM

[quote name='Mark Henry' date='Jan 20 2017, 02:08 PM' post='2446042']
[quote name='Ed_914' post='2446035' date='Jan 20 2017, 01:42 PM']
one set please option A,B,C,D,E if you can ship to the UK
[/quote]


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But on the huge pro side, if you damage these they can be banged out, TIG welded polished up as good as new.
Lets see you do that with chrome.
[/quote]
It is a lot easier to make a new hole then tig weld up one. If someone is on the fence on hole options than leaving them out is an option and drilling them later. On a steel bumper, rust could be an issue when drilling new holes.

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 20 2017, 01:32 PM

QUOTE(Bartlett 914 @ Jan 20 2017, 12:25 PM)

Posted by: mb911 Jan 20 2017, 01:35 PM

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jan 20 2017, 11:32 AM)

QUOTE(Bartlett 914 @ Jan 20 2017, 12:25 PM)

It is a lot easier to make a new hole then tig weld up one. If someone is on the fence on hole options than leaving them out is an option and drilling them later. On a steel bumper, rust could be an issue when drilling new holes.

IIRC, one of the alloy additives which makes steel into SS is chromium, which is throughout the SS, & so the rusting should not be an issue, even if drilled (vs. only the chrome outer layer on regular steel bumpers being the rust protection).

It's also what requires TIG instead of MIG welding on SS.


Tom
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Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 04:35 PM

QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 20 2017, 02:12 PM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 20 2017, 04:43 PM

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jan 20 2017, 02:20 PM)

Posted by: mb911 Jan 20 2017, 08:07 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 20 2017, 02:35 PM)

QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 20 2017, 02:12 PM)

I would be interested in a set A and B.. What kind of time frame are you thinking as I am not even close to ready for them.

Ben, it will likely 8 weeks before they start shipping.
I can put you last on the list so yours take a bit longer.

Once these go into production I am going to put an end date on the group buy, so if you snooze you lose.

Posted by: 72914wrx Jan 20 2017, 11:49 PM

I want in for a set . Opinions A, B , E . What would opinion E look like ?

Posted by: maf914 Jan 21 2017, 06:38 AM

QUOTE(maf914 @ Jan 20 2017, 05:36 AM)

Posted by: amfab Jan 21 2017, 09:28 AM

Not that this has any bearing on the fact that I definitely want a set, I am curious as to what the gauge of the factory bumpers are. Does anyone know?

-Andrew

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Jan 21 2017, 09:34 AM

Mark this looks like a pretty good deal. Count me for a set. Option a,b,c,d

Posted by: sb914 Jan 21 2017, 09:42 AM

QUOTE(amfab @ Jan 21 2017, 07:28 AM)

Posted by: amfab Jan 21 2017, 09:44 AM

Duh, thanks
Oh wait, I think when he said stock sheet he means the stainless sheet the bumpers will be made of.

Posted by: zerliq Jan 21 2017, 10:57 AM

Count me for a set. Options A,B,D,E (would like to see prototype if possible)
Thanks

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 21 2017, 10:57 AM

QUOTE(amfab @ Jan 21 2017, 10:44 AM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 21 2017, 11:09 AM

As long as everyone on the list comes through when it comes time to shell out the cash we now have over 10 sets.

First hurdle cleared.

Posted by: amfab Jan 21 2017, 11:13 AM

Im in too Mark, go ahead and put me down for a set:

Option A/ Delete tit bolt holes. N/C
Option B/ Delete front plate bolt holes. N/C
Option D/ Delete rear tow hook hole. N/C


(I have been waiting for something like this)

Posted by: pete000 Jan 21 2017, 11:15 AM

Would it be possible to get two fronts?

Would that count as a pair?

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 21 2017, 11:26 AM

QUOTE(pete000 @ Jan 21 2017, 12:15 PM)

Would it be possible to get two fronts?

Would that count as a pair?

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 21 2017, 02:56 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 20 2017, 03:43 PM)

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jan 20 2017, 02:20 PM)

OK Mark - please keep me posted if they will have the front tit holes with or without the 2 extra back-braces behind the tits.

I had checked with the UK group (Barrington Group ??) selling the ones made in Vietnam a couple of years ago, & they said that they could add the tit holes & 2 tit back braces for an up-charge of $50 or $100 IIRC, just fyi. I'd have had to send them a sample 73 bumper core to measure it all up as well.

Maybe you could do the holes other than tow hole & license plate holes as an add-on option, as those folks were saying.

OK I'll ask and clear up the holes and/or brackets to see if they will want an upcharge on to add these options.
It took some negotiation to get this great price, so I don't want to fuch the deal demanding extra work.
But if if they are making some extra coin on options I don't think there will be an issue.

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 21 2017, 03:02 PM

QUOTE(sb914 @ Jan 21 2017, 08:42 AM)

QUOTE(amfab @ Jan 21 2017, 07:28 AM)

Not that this has any bearing on the fact that I definitely want a set, I am curious as to what the gauge of the factory bumpers are. Does anyone know?

-Andrew

Read first post.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 21 2017, 03:19 PM

Factory bumpers are .060 so my bumpers are thicker
In the thinnest areas they are still as thick as a factory bumper.

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 21 2017, 03:32 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 21 2017, 02:19 PM)

Factory bumpers are .060 so my bumpers are thicker
In the thinnest areas they are still as thick as a factory bumper.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 21 2017, 03:39 PM

Likely just a typo Tom but they are 304 stainless steel.

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 21 2017, 03:54 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 21 2017, 02:39 PM)

Posted by: pete000 Jan 21 2017, 05:18 PM

I would be in for two front bumpers with no tit holes...

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 22 2017, 08:23 AM

QUOTE(pete000 @ Jan 21 2017, 06:18 PM)

Posted by: jet1 Jan 22 2017, 12:50 PM

put me down for a set please.

Option A/ Delete tit bolt holes. N/C
Option B/ Delete front plate bolt holes. N/C
Option D/ Delete rear tow hook hole. N/C

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 23 2017, 07:34 AM

Important!!!!

Please take note!!!

Sorry but I'm changing how we pick the options from "DELETE" holes to "ADD" holes
I'm doing this because how I labeled the instructions to the manufacturer. I have to switch all the options from delete to add and in doing this I just know there will be a fuchs up.
Again sorry about this, but it's best to change it right now at the source of the issue.

All bumpers have no holes for licence plate, bumperette (tit) or tow ring/hook holes.

You must pick your option holes or you get a bumper with no holes!

Please go to the buyers list at the bottom of the first post and confirm that your options are correct!!!!
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=303138


Options

Note I have changed the options from "delete " to "ADD"
All bumpers have no holes licence plate, bumperette (tit) or tow ring/hook holes. (all bumpers will have the bumper top holes)
Please ADD the holes you wish to have.


Option A/ ADD bumperette (tit) bolt holes. N/C
Option B/ ADD front plate bolt holes. N/C
Option C/ ADD rear plate bolt holes. N/C
Option D/ ADD rear tow hook hole. N/C
Option E/ Front bumper cooler mod. $150 (guesstimate price at this point, final price and availability TBA)

All bumpers have no holes unless you chose an option above.

Posted by: maf914 Jan 23 2017, 07:57 AM

Mark, Could you please verify that the rear license plate holes are for US/Canadian style plates as opposed to European style plates. Thanks.

Posted by: billh1963 Jan 23 2017, 07:59 AM

Mine is correct

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 23 2017, 08:08 AM

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Jan 23 2017, 08:59 AM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 23 2017, 08:12 AM

QUOTE(maf914 @ Jan 23 2017, 08:57 AM)

Posted by: JmuRiz Jan 23 2017, 08:35 AM

I updated mine, post #15.
I'll let you know ASAP what I decide on the front cooler hole.

Posted by: maf914 Jan 23 2017, 08:43 AM

My option selection is correct. Thanks.

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Jan 23 2017, 09:01 AM

Mine is correct. No holes (except bumper top holes).

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 23 2017, 09:09 AM

QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Jan 23 2017, 09:35 AM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 23 2017, 09:19 AM

QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Jan 23 2017, 09:35 AM)

Posted by: Ed_914 Jan 23 2017, 01:28 PM

Can you change mine to only E as I will drill rear license plate hole to fit EU style plate.

If you can't do E , I will have to remove myself off the list. But I really want E!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mb911 Jan 23 2017, 03:16 PM

Mark I would want c and d.. Guess I need to sell my good chrome rear and front that has the gt cut out to find this..

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 23 2017, 03:33 PM

QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 23 2017, 04:16 PM)

Posted by: mepstein Jan 23 2017, 03:42 PM

Mark - c & e please

Posted by: zoedog Jan 23 2017, 06:14 PM

Mark
Put me down for a set.

Option C and D

Walt

Posted by: jet1 Jan 23 2017, 06:34 PM

Mark,
you missed me at the top of page 4.

Option C/ ADD rear plate bolt holes
thanks

Posted by: lonewolfe Jan 23 2017, 08:49 PM

I'd like a set with Options B,C,D & E.

I'M ONLY INTERESTED IF E OPTION IS A GO!

Posted by: zoedog Jan 24 2017, 09:03 AM

Hi Mark,
Just to be clear so there are no surprises later. Are the following statements true?

a) Bumpers come with mounting brackets
b) Front bumper comes with fog light openings
c) The finish is polished
d) Holes for attaching the rubber top strips are drilled

Thanks for doing this!
Walt

Posted by: Norskpole Jan 24 2017, 10:45 AM

Mine is correct (option C, E)

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jan 24 2017, 11:00 AM

First, thank you for taking this on, Mark.

I'm not interested in the current rear bumper, and am only mildly interested in the front bumper. It's a maybe, maybe not.

However, if the front bumper can be had with a GT cooler opening that mates up nicely with a good fiberglass GT valance that's already out there, and your rear bumper can be had in the 1970-1971 style, I'd be VERY interested. I suspect other folks would be, too.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 24 2017, 11:39 AM

QUOTE(zoedog @ Jan 24 2017, 10:03 AM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 24 2017, 11:50 AM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Jan 24 2017, 12:00 PM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 24 2017, 12:07 PM

Just a general disclaimer:

The car I'm using to check the fit is my cherry, never been hit anywhere anyhow '74 914.
I'm also sending bumper tops so the fit of the top can be checked, I have good condition OE bumper tops on my end to verify the fit.
I'm doing a shit load of work here guys.

If your car has been hit, rust restored, etc. etc. etc. I can NOT be responsible for poor fit.

These also should be considered 10 foot away bumpers, I'm trying for more like 5 foot away.
That means from 10 feet away they damn near look perfect.
If you're expecting absolutely perfect concours quality bumpers please do NOT buy these bumpers. Get your OE bumpers rechromed.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jan 24 2017, 12:19 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 24 2017, 09:50 AM)

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jan 24 2017, 12:23 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 24 2017, 10:07 AM)

Just a general disclaimer:

The car I'm using to check the fit is my cherry, never been hit anywhere anyhow '74 914.
I'm also sending bumper tops so the fit of the top can be checked, I have good condition OE bumper tops on my end to verify the fit.
I'm doing a shit load of work here guys.

If your car has been hit, rust restored, etc. etc. etc. I can NOT be responsible for poor fit.

These also should be considered 10 foot away bumpers, I'm trying for more like 5 foot away.
That means from 10 feet away they damn near look perfect.
If you're expecting absolutely perfect concours quality bumpers please do NOT buy these bumpers. Get your OE bumpers rechromed.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 24 2017, 12:25 PM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Jan 24 2017, 01:19 PM)

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 24 2017, 09:50 AM)

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Jan 24 2017, 12:00 PM)

First, thank you for taking this on, Mark.

I'm not interested in the current rear bumper, and am only mildly interested in the front bumper. It's a maybe, maybe not.

However, if the front bumper can be had with a GT cooler opening that mates up nicely with a good fiberglass GT valance that's already out there, and your rear bumper can be had in the 1970-1971 style, I'd be VERY interested. I suspect other folks would be, too.

I am right now making the pattern for the GT bumper so there will be no mistakes.
I'm making it so it will fold in almost touching the body, that way you can seal it with a simple foam weatherstrip available at any hardware store.

I can't guarantee that it will line up with any fiberglass valance. The opening will be 19.5 inches wide by 1.5 high.

Just a thought but would members be interested in a paint grade Stainless Steel valance made to match my GT bumper?
That I could guarantee fits my GT bumper.

Do too low volume and the work I have to invest making a pattern it won't be group buy cheap, but it would be reasonable.

It's a good thought. I worry about you ending up out of pocket on that, though—especially as some folks will want it narrow and others for GT flares. That said, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If executed well, this would be a NEW option for people, and a very interesting one. Some might want the bumpers in paint grade stainless, too, which might create a nice market for you there, too. I hear the F/G units just aren't suitable to everyday use.

All that said, I'd want to have a group buy lined up. But before I signed on, I'd want to see what I am paying for in terms of fit and finish.

Hmm...

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 24 2017, 12:27 PM

Mark (mepstein)

What did you call it? "Herding cats"?

Posted by: mepstein Jan 24 2017, 12:48 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 24 2017, 01:27 PM)

Mark (mepstein)

What did you call it? "Herding cats"?

Posted by: mepstein Jan 24 2017, 12:52 PM

Just a thought but would members be interested in a paint grade Stainless Steel valance made to match my GT bumper?
That I could guarantee fits my GT bumper.

Do to low volume and the work I have to invest making a pattern it won't be group buy cheap, but it would be reasonable.
[/quote]

Yes

Posted by: zoedog Jan 24 2017, 02:25 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 24 2017, 12:39 PM)

QUOTE(zoedog @ Jan 24 2017, 10:03 AM)

Hi Mark,
Just to be clear so there are no surprises later. Are the following statements true?

a) Bumpers come with mounting brackets
b) Front bumper comes with fog light openings
c) The finish is polished
d) Holes for attaching the rubber top strips are drilled

Thanks for doing this!
Walt

Of course to all, as stated when I said "no holes drilled" I'm only talking about bumperette (tit), licence and tow ring/hook holes.
All bumpers will not be drilled for these holes unless you choose the options.

Posted by: fteixeira Jan 24 2017, 03:54 PM

A bit late to this game, but I'm OK with being in the back of the line.

In for a front and rear.

Options C, D

PM sent as well. Thanks for making this happen.

fteixeira

Posted by: mb911 Jan 24 2017, 04:27 PM

Mark I should have said thank you as well as I know what a huge undetaking this as I wrap up my heat exchangers group buy it is very overwhelming and with almost no money to be gained.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 24 2017, 11:23 PM

Thanks Ben and Mark

You guys have to remember these are off-shore made bumpers made pretty damn cheap. Not to mention what Ben said I'm not making much cash off of this deal.
The fact is if ask any NA fabricator to build them for this price, or even what the other supplier sells them for retail, and they would laugh their asses off.

That said I'm trying my best to correct the faults of the other companies bumpers and add some custom hole options. The sample bumper I gave the one side the brackets were off 2mm I've asked them to correct it.

The GT bumper, I made a drawing of what I wanted, but I know for sure because of the language barrier that there will be a fuck up.
So I've taken it upon myself to make a pattern out of kiln dried cabinet grade hardwood so that the opening is perfect.
I have 25+ hours into the pattern and I'm not done, because it's not perfect yet.

Take this pic, I realized the opening wasn't a full 1-1/2 inches tall and I forgot to take off the 2mm for the material thickness. This part was done and 98% of other guys would have said "fuck it good enough". But it's not good enough for me.
So I'm adding material to the opening to fix 3/16".


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Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 24 2017, 11:28 PM

I wanted the radius the same all around the opening.
It's beveled angle, so I can't use a router, so I made a custom cabinet scraper out of an old sawblade.


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Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 24 2017, 11:34 PM

This is how it looks now. I should be able to finish it up tomorrow.
I spent 14 hours on it today, I'm tired, I'll tackle the final shaping and sanding in the morning when I'm fresh.


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Posted by: djway Jan 25 2017, 12:15 AM

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=168618&highlight=stainless+bumper

30 pages of misery with the Nam bumpers. I have no idea if they are the same people, this is just a heads up.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 25 2017, 08:20 AM

Edit due to non issue

Posted by: mepstein Jan 25 2017, 08:45 AM

Take your time. Think on it. You will work something out.

Posted by: 72914wrx Jan 25 2017, 09:57 AM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 24 2017, 09:50 AM)

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Jan 24 2017, 12:00 PM)

First, thank you for taking this on, Mark.

I'm not interested in the current rear bumper, and am only mildly interested in the front bumper. It's a maybe, maybe not.

However, if the front bumper can be had with a GT cooler opening that mates up nicely with a good fiberglass GT valance that's already out there, and your rear bumper can be had in the 1970-1971 style, I'd be VERY interested. I suspect other folks would be, too.

I am right now making the pattern for the GT bumper so there will be no mistakes.
I'm making it so it will fold in almost touching the body, that way you can seal it with a simple foam weatherstrip available at any hardware store.

I can't guarantee that it will line up with any fiberglass valance. The opening will be 19.5 inches wide by 1.5 high.

I would love to have the valance as well. It would be nice to have a matching set .

Just a thought but would members be interested in a paint grade Stainless Steel valance made to match my GT bumper?
That I could guarantee fits my GT bumper.

Do to low volume and the work I have to invest making a pattern it won't be group buy cheap, but it would be reasonable.

Posted by: mb911 Jan 25 2017, 10:08 AM

Personally I would be good welding the brackets on my self and having them polished myself if that were an option? That's up to you though and if that saved more money it makes it even more attractive.

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 25 2017, 12:03 PM

Mark,

A couple of years ago siverson in San Diego CA got the Nam made Barrington (??) UK sold F & R doing a thread on it. Maybe find it &/or just PM or email him directly, or get on the horn to him if you both have international on your cells.

IIRC, he had no problems & they looked pretty good, except that the turn-back on the ends back into the body (at the bumper insets on the side bodywork/fenders) was a 1/8" -1/4" +/- shorter than stock. Of course, he could've been the lucky one of a few.

Steve can tell you more.

PS - the same group as Steve used, Barrington (??) in the UK on their Vietnam made bumpers, would've been the ones quoting me the up-charge for the tit holes & extra 2 back-braces behind the tits that I told you about via PM, & at that time a coupla-few years back were running a special of $1350 a pair F&R IIRC, & that would've been in about the same time frame as when Steve got his & did his thread on them.

PSS for sb914, amfab, Mark - why polish the brackets, which will be hidden on the back/hidden/mounted side of the bumper - deburring & smoothing should be fine if you/buyers or Mark fabs them.


Tom
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Posted by: amfab Jan 25 2017, 12:08 PM

QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 25 2017, 08:08 AM)

Posted by: mb911 Jan 25 2017, 02:42 PM

Either way you decide I think you are doing a huge service.. I think you could offer it as a kit and probably would be best to ensure the fewest complaints. For those that absolutely require turn key then you do your fitting, welding and buffing so that it makes it worth your while..

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 25 2017, 05:11 PM

QUOTE(amfab @ Jan 25 2017, 01:08 PM)

QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 25 2017, 08:08 AM)

Personally I would be good welding the brackets on my self and having them polished myself if that were an option? That's up to you though and if that saved more money it makes it even more attractive.

Me too. I think the weld spots are hidden so we wouldn't have to re-polish. and I think it would be rather easy to bolt the brackets in position on the car, position the bumper and mark the brackets through the foglight holes—someone correct me if I am off base here.

After skimming the Samba thing it looks like a problem with the angle of the brackets on the front of the euro-style Ghia repros. The back ones seem to fit fine. I think the 914 bumpers are a simpler design, so there is less of a chance of a problem—not that I am excusing the low quality.

-Andrew

Posted by: mb911 Jan 25 2017, 05:46 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 25 2017, 03:11 PM)

QUOTE(amfab @ Jan 25 2017, 01:08 PM)

QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 25 2017, 08:08 AM)

Personally I would be good welding the brackets on my self and having them polished myself if that were an option? That's up to you though and if that saved more money it makes it even more attractive.

Me too. I think the weld spots are hidden so we wouldn't have to re-polish. and I think it would be rather easy to bolt the brackets in position on the car, position the bumper and mark the brackets through the foglight holes—someone correct me if I am off base here.

After skimming the Samba thing it looks like a problem with the angle of the brackets on the front of the euro-style Ghia repros. The back ones seem to fit fine. I think the 914 bumpers are a simpler design, so there is less of a chance of a problem—not that I am excusing the low quality.

-Andrew

Now that I'm out of panic mode and have had time to think I don't think the cost of me would be that high.
I thought the cost would mostly be in a jig, because you can't weld the brackets with the bumper on car.

But you can if you drill a couple of holes in the general vicinity, then line it up and do a couple of spot welds much like the factory spot welds. The welds are hidden under the top and on the bottom.

So that's one hurdle.

Shipping if I'm getting lots of say 5 sets then the shipping to me should be less coin per unit. I'd try for some cash off the bumpers for my work.
Order 5 sets each time I hit ten sets (or all) I can use a semi local post box service to ship from Niagara Falls,NY.
Maybe a slight increase in shipping but then again maybe not.
I'd have to do the paperwork, but there is no taxes if the product gets shipped back out of Canada. Plus I could broker it myself.

Another hurdle (maybe a slight increase in shipping).

Ben, 97% of the peeps can't or don't want to do this, plus I don't want to be blamed if they or their welder buddy fucks up.
l also would want to keep a very close eye on quality to be sure PTT doesn't start slacking off mid job on the actual shape and corners of the bumpers.
You were at the end of the buy if you wanted to weld your own brackets OK, but I doubt much if any savings.
No polish doesn't work for me, I want to be able to see ripples and any flaws easy.

I'm thinking maybe I should drill the option holes, not a big job. Very simple locating jigs would make it faster.

For sure I'd have to do a hold back on PTT for some cash, till I was satisfied with the quality. Ordering 5 at a time would protect me if the quality was total shit.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 25 2017, 06:34 PM

So I'm putting the quality issues to them to see what they say.

GT pattern is done. It fits perfectly flat into the back of the bumper and gives the exact shape of the opening. I would bet they will use it as a buck.

BTW it's a pattern, it doesn't have to look pretty, but the shape has to be perfect and it is.


I have the cutout to use as a QC piece on my end.





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Posted by: 72914wrx Jan 25 2017, 10:51 PM

Very excited about this the Front bumper with Gt opening . It's a dream come true can't wait .

I hope it's not to late but my Dad wants a set .
With the only option is C the rear lience plate holes .
Thank you taking this on !

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Jan 26 2017, 08:53 AM

Hi Mark

I haven't gone through all the Samba responses but from what I did see was a fitment problem with a Ghia bumper. Clearly there was a problem they didn't correct. Does this mean we will have a fitment problem with the mounting brackets? Maybe you are over thinking this problem. Perhaps a wait and see a for sample before you go into doing some retrofitting of their bumper. If they are able to form and prepare these bumpers, then they must be able to make and correctly position the mounts. I do hope you are able to make this work. I am in a sit and wait mode. Best of luck

Mark

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 26 2017, 10:26 AM

OK - I've not read the TheSamba thread on the Vietnam bumpers, but it sounds like it's a Ghia & other-than-914 bumper issue there.

Also, I don't know which supplier you're using Mark for your GB, nor if it's the same one as Harrington's as sold on evil-bay, on their UK website, etc.

However - there was an extensive thread on them on here from 2010 which I'd mentioned about - where the ones that Steve got were excellent .... but apparently nobody was willing to do the search on here, which took me all of 30 seconds to find his topic.

Mark Henry & others - Take some Mydol & then go here, read it!
This is not a new idea of SS bumpers, & there's really NOT a bad fitment nor quality issue with their 914 bumpers, & frankly they looked better than 5 footers, & would probably pass the CW test in person.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=108722&hl=stainless+steel+bumper

Pix of the bumpers start at post #81 at the top of page 5, with all sorts of other info & discussion from pg. 1 onward.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=108722&hl=stainless%20steel%20bumper&st=80

Mark - if it's not these Harrington guys whom you're using, maybe consider contacting them to do a GB pricing for a certain amount as an alternative to your supplier, since they apparently have their act down on the 914 bumpers that Steve got then (can't say if quality has slipped since 2010).

So after all y'all's chill pill & reading the above topic, then decide how to proceed.


Tom
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Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 26 2017, 02:08 PM

You might be right Tom, but do you want to send your set back to Nam if your mounting brackets are wrong?

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 26 2017, 03:14 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 26 2017, 12:08 PM)

You might be right Tom, but do you want to send your set back to Nam if your mounting brackets are wrong?

Posted by: siverson Jan 26 2017, 03:37 PM

Yeah, those bumpers were sweet and I hate myself for selling that red car. Doh! Thanks for reminding me of that, Tom!

-Steve

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 29 2017, 12:12 AM

Ok, They are assuring me there will be no issues.
Like I said I may be doing the final QC and shipping from here. I would be getting them shipped to me in bulk (say 5 sets at a time), hopefully if I use the US PO service I found shipping should still be close to what I said it will be.

I should have the samples of the front, late rear and the GT front in 3-4 weeks.

I have to update the buyers list, if your name isn't on the list (bottom of post#1) by Tuesday AM please send me a PM.
If you said "I'm interested but..." you likely won't be on the list.

Please note that I'll give notice, but once all is nailed down, ask for deposits and I start shipping I will close the GB. I have more than enough people interested in these bumpers.
If all works out I will continue to sell these bumpers at a retail price TBA after/near the end of the GB.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 29 2017, 12:32 AM

BTW they said they were very impressed with the GT bumper pattern I made.

Posted by: amfab Jan 29 2017, 10:48 AM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 28 2017, 10:32 PM)

BTW they said they were very impressed with the GT bumper pattern I made.

Posted by: Olympic 1.7 Jan 29 2017, 11:03 AM

I have sat on the fence for a while watching this... and decided I am in.

Put me down for 1 set.

Options C - Add rear plate holes
D - Add tow hook hole.


The pictures of the other bumpers posted pushed me over. I am sure these will be just as good or you wouldn't accept them..

Thanks

Posted by: fixer34 Jan 29 2017, 11:26 AM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Jan 24 2017, 12:19 PM)

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 24 2017, 09:50 AM)

Just a thought but would members be interested in a paint grade Stainless Steel valance made to match my GT bumper?
That I could guarantee fits my GT bumper.

Do too low volume and the work I have to invest making a pattern it won't be group buy cheap, but it would be reasonable.

It's a good thought. My car, like a lot of people's, isn't highly original and never will be. It's a mild-isa hot rod. So I wouldn't mind selling my never rechromed front bumper and nice 1970-71 rear bumper on to someone who needs them for a proper early 914 or 914-6 restoration. I've been thinking about rechroming them to get them perfect, and about cutting the front one into a GT bumper, but your option might be a better way to go depending on how nice they are. Not sure I need concours, but I do like things right. Or as right as I can make them.

I worry about you ending up out of pocket on this project, though—especially as some folks will want it narrow and others for GT flares. That said, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If executed well, this would be a NEW option for people, and a very interesting one. Some might want the bumpers in paint grade stainless, too, which might create a nice market for you there, too. I hear the F/G units just aren't suitable to everyday use.

All that said, I'd want to have a group buy lined up. But before I signed on, I'd want to see what I am paying for in terms of fit and finish.

Hmm...

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 29 2017, 11:41 AM

QUOTE(fixer34 @ Jan 29 2017, 12:26 PM)

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Jan 24 2017, 12:19 PM)

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 24 2017, 09:50 AM)

Just a thought but would members be interested in a paint grade Stainless Steel valance made to match my GT bumper?
That I could guarantee fits my GT bumper.

Do too low volume and the work I have to invest making a pattern it won't be group buy cheap, but it would be reasonable.

It's a good thought. My car, like a lot of people's, isn't highly original and never will be. It's a mild-isa hot rod. So I wouldn't mind selling my never rechromed front bumper and nice 1970-71 rear bumper on to someone who needs them for a proper early 914 or 914-6 restoration. I've been thinking about rechroming them to get them perfect, and about cutting the front one into a GT bumper, but your option might be a better way to go depending on how nice they are. Not sure I need concours, but I do like things right. Or as right as I can make them.

I worry about you ending up out of pocket on this project, though—especially as some folks will want it narrow and others for GT flares. That said, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If executed well, this would be a NEW option for people, and a very interesting one. Some might want the bumpers in paint grade stainless, too, which might create a nice market for you there, too. I hear the F/G units just aren't suitable to everyday use.

All that said, I'd want to have a group buy lined up. But before I signed on, I'd want to see what I am paying for in terms of fit and finish.

Hmm...

If you decide to go with Mark's set and the factory ones you have will be available, please let me know. I can use both front and back for my '70 -6.
Pete

Posted by: JmuRiz Jan 29 2017, 12:10 PM

Good info, I updated my order to include the GT cooler modification

That way I have the bumper ready if my rear cooler can't handle the new motor's cooling needs.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jan 29 2017, 03:01 PM

QUOTE(fixer34 @ Jan 29 2017, 09:26 AM)

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jan 29 2017, 07:00 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 25 2017, 04:34 PM)

Posted by: bahnzai Jan 29 2017, 08:29 PM

Mark, I would like a set too, if the buy has not closed yet.
I Will take both with no holes and Option e (front cooler opening).

I may be interested in the matching valence if you decide to offer that too.

Please let me know how to send the deposit.

Thanks,
Danny Thomas

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 30 2017, 07:58 AM

QUOTE(bahnzai @ Jan 29 2017, 09:29 PM)

Posted by: zoedog Feb 2 2017, 06:51 PM

Mark

When you undate the buyers list please include me. see post 76 and 91
Front and rear , Options C & D for my 74 2.0

Thanks for doing this.

Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 2 2017, 07:32 PM

QUOTE(zoedog @ Feb 2 2017, 07:51 PM)

Posted by: Mitox Feb 2 2017, 08:00 PM

Please add me to the buy.

Front and rear bumpers
Options C and E.

If there will be a paint grade finish, That is my preference.

Thanks for doing this.

Michael

Posted by: live free & drive Feb 2 2017, 09:42 PM

If your still taking orders I'd like to participate.

I'd like one set (F&R)with option C only

I'd like to buy an extra front bumper with option E

3 bumpers total.

Thanks, Jon

Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 2 2017, 09:43 PM

QUOTE(Mitox @ Feb 2 2017, 09:00 PM)

Posted by: Mitox Feb 2 2017, 10:10 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Feb 2 2017, 10:43 PM)

QUOTE(Mitox @ Feb 2 2017, 09:00 PM)

Please add me to the buy.

Front and rear bumpers
Options C and E.

If there will be a paint grade finish, That is my preference.

Thanks for doing this.

Michael

No paint grade bumpers, but scuff with iron free sandpaper or blast (again no iron type media), then PPG two part epoxy primer and you're good to go with a topcoat.

Posted by: altitude411 Feb 2 2017, 11:00 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 30 2017, 06:58 AM)

I'm going to go through this thread and update the list hopefully tonight.
I won't be taking deposits till I get and approve the samples.

Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 3 2017, 11:33 AM

QUOTE(altitude411 @ Feb 3 2017, 12:00 AM)

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 30 2017, 06:58 AM)

I'm going to go through this thread and update the list hopefully tonight.
I won't be taking deposits till I get and approve the samples.

Unfortunatly Mark, I have to drop out. All my monies going to attorney fees .. good luck with everything.

Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 3 2017, 01:43 PM

Clearing up some confusion, the group buy is still open for now and it will remain open till I get and approve my samples.

When I do go to close the GB I will definitely announce it and give a couple days for stragglers.

If you name isn't on the very first post (page 1, near the bottom) of this thread you are not on the list.
Sorry if I missed your post, please send me a PM if your name is not on the list, or if your options are wrong.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Feb 3 2017, 01:55 PM

I'm on the list on page 1, but am probably NOT in on this first run—unless we see samples of the GT front and early rear.

I am, however, still keenly monitoring this project. I'd like to do this if the right bumpers are available, and especially if the GT valance becomes a reality.

Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 3 2017, 02:40 PM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Feb 3 2017, 02:55 PM)

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Feb 3 2017, 05:28 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Feb 3 2017, 12:40 PM)

Posted by: Norskpole Feb 3 2017, 07:32 PM

QUOTE(Norskpole @ Jan 24 2017, 08:45 AM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 3 2017, 08:04 PM

QUOTE(Norskpole @ Feb 3 2017, 08:32 PM)

QUOTE(Norskpole @ Jan 24 2017, 08:45 AM)

Mine is correct (option C, E)

HI Mark, I have checked mine as correct...but you have me down as: Noskpie It is Norskpole

Posted by: mb911 Feb 4 2017, 09:05 AM

I am not sure if it helps numbers but I would be interested in a gt front but I probably will do my own conversion because I am cheap.. Just throwing out there as you work through this.

Posted by: cuddyk Feb 20 2017, 08:16 AM

I'm in for a set. B,C,D. Thanks!

Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 4 2017, 09:34 AM

Just an update, the supplier has told me they're about 2 weeks out from shipping me the samples.

Posted by: bahnzai Mar 4 2017, 10:30 AM

Mark,
Thanks for the update.
Once you approve the samples, is that when you would like the deposit?
Also, will the samples include the front bumper cooler mods, so you will have a better idea on the final costs?
Thanks for tackling this huge project!

Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 4 2017, 10:54 AM

QUOTE(bahnzai @ Mar 4 2017, 11:30 AM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 4 2017, 11:01 AM

I've been asked by a few members if I will be doing early rear bumpers.

This will be started after this buy is done, but I want to confirm quality of this run before we start on early rears.
Unfortunately I doubt if I'll have the numbers for the GB pricing on the early rear. Right now the price is TBA.
I'm aiming for at worst case it will be the same regular price as late rear.

I will be selling bumpers at regular price after the buy and the pricing will still be pretty good.


BTW I will be getting 3 bumpers in the samples , standard front, GT front and a late rear.

Posted by: pete000 Mar 4 2017, 04:44 PM

Posted by: JimFitz33 Mar 14 2017, 01:38 PM

Mark,
Are you still taking orders? If so, I'd like a set with A,B,C,D

Best
Jim

Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 14 2017, 05:01 PM

Yep it's still open and Yep still waiting for that "Your samples are ready" call.

Highly doubt they are dogging it they know they have a big order to fill and they don't see a penny till I approve them.
I also warned them you guy's are a bunch of picky SOB's.

Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 25 2017, 09:31 AM

The sample bumpers should be ready to ship to me at the end of the week.
I asked for detailed pics just in case I can spot any mistakes before they ship.
I'll give a sneak peek at that time.

Posted by: JRust Mar 25 2017, 10:08 AM

Damn I so want to be in on this. A GT front bumper & rear bumper are calling to me. I can't wait to see some pics

Posted by: Puebloswatcop Mar 28 2017, 01:00 PM

I would love to be in on this as well, just want to be sure these would fit a '73 and a '74? Can't wait to see the pics

Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 28 2017, 04:54 PM

QUOTE(Puebloswatcop @ Mar 28 2017, 03:00 PM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 28 2017, 05:04 PM

Woohoo!

First sneak peek at the bumpers, these are unpolished.

Looks like they are pretty confident I'll be happy, they have gone ahead and started with production.






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Posted by: mepstein Mar 28 2017, 05:46 PM

Awesome!

Posted by: sb914 Mar 28 2017, 05:51 PM

nice .

Posted by: amfab Mar 28 2017, 07:27 PM

Great! I am eager to hear your report on fit

-Andrew

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Mar 28 2017, 08:26 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Mar 28 2017, 04:04 PM)

Woohoo!

First sneak peek at the bumpers, these are unpolished.

Looks like they are pretty confident I'll be happy, they have gone ahead and started with production.

Posted by: pete000 Mar 28 2017, 10:30 PM

Would be cool to see a video on how they are making them.

Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 29 2017, 06:01 AM

QUOTE(amfab @ Mar 28 2017, 09:27 PM)

QUOTE(pete000 @ Mar 29 2017, 12:30 AM)

Posted by: rick 918-S Mar 29 2017, 06:48 AM

Sent ya a pm I think... I sent it to someone.

Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 29 2017, 07:17 AM

QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Mar 29 2017, 08:48 AM)

Sent ya a pm I think... I sent it to someone.

Posted by: lonewolfe Mar 29 2017, 01:11 PM

Hey Mark, these bumpers are coming along nicely and look promising. I requested a GT front bumper already but am curious about the matching lower balance with oil cooler cut out. As I recall those are not part of the first run as you want to get the bumpers dialed in first. But, do you have a ballpark idea of how much these GT Valances will cost. I have one that is fiberglass not yet installed but I've tried lining it up to the body and can see it's off quite a bit and will require a lot of work to get it to fit. From all I've read it seems all the FB parts have fitment issues. I would much rather have one in Stainless for durability and better fit.

Posted by: JimFitz33 Apr 3 2017, 07:43 AM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Mar 29 2017, 08:01 AM)

QUOTE(amfab @ Mar 28 2017, 09:27 PM)

Great! I am eager to hear your report on fit

-Andrew

I have a feeling they are going to be just fine. I also sent a bumper top and was quite clear that how it fits in the corners to both the top and body will make or break the deal.

QUOTE(pete000 @ Mar 29 2017, 12:30 AM)

Would be cool to see a video on how they are making them.

I doubt it, just looking at the shop, well let's just say not clean and pristine like a tour through Restoration Design. The person I'm dealing with I don't think ever steps on the shop floor.
But who cares? The end product is all we care about.

Posted by: DM71SIX Apr 13 2017, 10:42 AM

QUOTE(altitude411 @ Jan 19 2017, 10:32 PM)

Posted by: mepstein Apr 13 2017, 11:01 AM

Mark Henry - I definitely want two sets. Same options already chosen. 2 GT valances when available. Thanks. ME

Posted by: Justinp71 Apr 13 2017, 04:13 PM

Hey Mark, is it still possible to get in on this deal?

Posted by: altitude411 Apr 13 2017, 11:07 PM

QUOTE(DM71SIX @ Apr 13 2017, 09:42 AM)

QUOTE(altitude411 @ Jan 19 2017, 10:32 PM)

Copy that Mark but I don't think they make early rear? It's for my six and I'm tired of trying to find a front in good condition....

I will have an early rechromed rear bumper ready in a month or so which I will sell.

Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 15 2017, 12:13 PM

Ok... the samples are almost ready to ship, but I have to say dealing with them is a royal PITA.

The big one is a price increase to $1200 a set, sucks I know.
We'll just have to see how many peeps bail, I understand, but it's beyond my control.

They also screwed the pooch on the GT bumper, tried to blame me at first, but I had my bases covered. I don't want to announce the GT bumper price till they get it sorted.

Just so you know my "profit" on this deal, which just got thinner, is just a few sets of free bumpers for me and my kid. I should be tacking on at least another $50 per set, but I don't want to totally queer the deal. There's still shipping on top of this to figure out.

I'm most likely going to use escrow on the big order so that will also cost me.

The pictures they gave me look good, but they are low res so I've asked for better pics. I'll post them when I have them.

Posted by: amfab Apr 15 2017, 03:01 PM

As long as they come out well, I am still in

I am still thankfull for you going through the trouble

-Andrew

Posted by: mb911 Apr 15 2017, 04:40 PM

Still in..

Posted by: Norskpole Apr 15 2017, 06:12 PM

Still in Mark! Thanks for the update and trouble....

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Apr 15 2017, 06:27 PM

not bailing

Posted by: mepstein Apr 15 2017, 06:43 PM

Still in. Thanks for doing this.

Posted by: Mitox Apr 15 2017, 09:02 PM

I'm still in. Thanks!

Posted by: RobW Apr 15 2017, 11:14 PM

Can I be your kid?

Posted by: rmdinmd Apr 16 2017, 08:48 AM

Hi Mark;
Is it too late to join in this? If not, I would be interested in both front and rear bumpers with options A,B,C,D for a 74.

thx Rick

Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 16 2017, 09:09 AM

Yes you can still get in, I'll update this later as I'm away for the day.

Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 16 2017, 09:10 AM

QUOTE(RobW @ Apr 16 2017, 01:14 AM)

Can I be your kid?

Posted by: zoedog Apr 16 2017, 05:33 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Apr 15 2017, 12:13 PM)

Ok... the samples are almost ready to ship, but I have to say dealing with them is a royal PITA.

The big one is a price increase to $1200 a set, sucks I know.
We'll just have to see how many peeps bail, I understand, but it's beyond my control.

They also screwed the pooch on the GT bumper, tried to blame me at first, but I had my bases covered. I don't want to announce the GT bumper price till they get it sorted.

Just so you know my "profit" on this deal, which just got thinner, is just a few sets of free bumpers for me and my kid. I should be tacking on at least another $50 per set, but I don't want to totally queer the deal. There's still shipping on top of this to figure out.

I'm most likely going to use escrow on the big order so that will also cost me.

The pictures they gave me look good, but they are low res so I've asked for better pics. I'll post them when I have them.

Posted by: JimFitz33 Apr 21 2017, 09:16 PM

Still in Mark!

Posted by: 72914wrx Apr 21 2017, 10:23 PM

Still in when do you need the down payment?

Posted by: rick 918-S Apr 22 2017, 04:14 AM

I'm interested... Need the early rear though

Posted by: ChrisHG Apr 27 2017, 12:14 AM

Dear forum

My name is Christoph, I am the Sales & Marketing Director from Group Harrington.

I came across your thread organizing a group buy of Porsche 914 stainless steel bumpers from PTT. I would like to take this opportunity to let you know about our 914 bumpers and to straighten things out with the origin of PTT claim’s on this particular product.

Harrington Group has been offering stainless steel bumpers since 2003. To this day, we are offering over 300 types of bumpers for 58 makes of classic cars. We started offering Porsche 914 bumpers since 2005. We have invested heavily in a proper steel stamping mould for this product. Our product has been tried and test fit by 914 Porsche specialists in the UK, and since, has been sold widely all around the world including in the US.

PTT is actually one of our former production workers who stole some of our reproduction bumpers to use as pattern and since then set up in competition with us. I don’t want to say too much about him, but I feel that I should address a couple of things:

PTT DOES NOT use original bumpers for reproduction– he is using our replicas as patterns. You can clearly see by looking at his website and ours, that we produce pretty much all bumpers he produces, plus around 200 additional types. Please check out our website www.groupharrington.com where you can find our complete range.

The most important difference is that, unlike us, PTT DOES NOT press his bumpers, every single bumper he offers is hand-made, made in a little shed in the outskirts of Ho Chi Minh City.

He also DOES NOT test fit the bumpers before he offers them. We on the other hand have a stringent quality control and testing team. All our bumpers are produced according to original patterns. They have been provided by specialists who confirmed us perfect fit. The bumpers are also test fitted by specialists and only if they give their final GO we launch them. All our bumpers are pressed using proper moulds and trimmed and checked using exact jigs. This explains the positive feedback on the 914world forum about our bumpers.

When I saw the photo below on your forum, I was shocked to realize that this photo was taken from OUR storage section where we keep our faulty pressed bumpers and other faulty parts in OUR FACTORY.

Apart from making bumpers, we also produce half-scaled junior cars. I can proof to you that the picture was taken from our storage because this is where we keep the faulty steering wheels for our junior cars too.







You can find many more pictures of the range of our junior cars produced here. http://groupharrington.com/en/page/12/junior-cars.html

Also pictures of our 914 bumpers here. http://groupharrington.com/en/part/74/porsche-914-and-914-6-bumpers.html .

Picture below is one section of our factory with stamping press machine for bumpers. And toy cars production at the far end.




You can see from all the pictures above that PTT has somehow bribed one of our workers to take pictures, to steal the faulty bumpers and to sell to them in the hope that they would fix them and to resell to you.

The bumpers PTT promised to deliver to you are made by our factory from the mould we paid a lot of money for. This is not fair at all. This act is equivalent of stealing.

I would like to bring to your attention that if he had promised to deliver the bumpers to you, this delivery will be the first and the last one from him, not to mention that there will be no guaranty that they can make correct bumpers that fit. He does not have the original bumpers on hands to even know what the correct profile and form of the bumpers is. The fact that 914 bumpers fit very snuggest to the car body makes it one of the most difficult bumpers to produce. It requires precision. PTT doesn’t even know how difficult that is to make sure the light holes on the front bumper have to be the exact fit. He has never tested the 914 bumpers… so needless to say, getting a group buy from him, you would run the risk of bumpers not fitting.

However, as you made the deal with PTT already, and we do not want our bumpers to be sold by him, we will match his price for this group buy. Please let me know your thoughts.

With us you will deal with native English and German speaking sales and customer care staff. We as a company have been going for more than 15 years. We produce a lot more than just bumpers. We produce interiors in both leather and vinyl, rubber parts, cast metal parts composite parts, glass parts, plastic parts, etc. We also restore cars and scooters; build half sized classic cars for children. In fact, my boss owns quite a few classic cars which have been lovingly restored. Ultimately, with us, you are dealing with classic car enthusiasts that know about crucial points in the production of classic car parts! PTT on the other side is just in this business for money and has no idea about classic cars, a crucial point when supplying parts if you ask me!

Should you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me.

Best regards
Christoph

Posted by: euro911 Apr 27 2017, 12:53 AM

Posted by: sb914 Apr 27 2017, 05:24 AM

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Apr 27 2017, 07:37 AM

How deep are we in this?

Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 27 2017, 07:55 AM

https://youtu.be/yd_AYa_eb0Q?t=105

Great info from the Harrington Group though!!!

Posted by: mepstein Apr 27 2017, 07:58 AM

QUOTE(Bartlett 914 @ Apr 27 2017, 09:37 AM)

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Apr 27 2017, 09:07 AM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Apr 27 2017, 07:58 AM)

QUOTE(Bartlett 914 @ Apr 27 2017, 09:37 AM)

How deep are we in this?

Just Mark Henry - and I'm happy to help him out with some $ to cover his exposure how ever it turns out.

Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 27 2017, 10:05 AM

I know about Christoph claims, if my guy snagged that picture I apologize and I had already given my guy royal shit about it.

This also seems to be a bit of sour grapes, right from the start my guy said he was an ex-employee of Harrington.

Posted by: 914_teener Apr 27 2017, 10:15 AM

QUOTE(ndfrigi @ Apr 26 2017, 06:32 PM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 27 2017, 11:01 AM

Christoph if you are saying that these bumpers are stolen there's you proof, call the police, that's what I would do if my claim was true.

No money has left my account yet, they even paid for the shipping, but I am out a set of usable bumpers off of my young lads car...and a shitload of time.

All I'm getting out of the deal is a few sets of bumpers.
Yes Drama

Posted by: Front yard mechanic Apr 27 2017, 04:04 PM

There is a big difference between 1100 dollars and the asking price of 1700 plus shipping seams like their over priced to begin with I my self will be looking for some used bumpers or just settle for my impact anchors

Posted by: amfab Apr 27 2017, 05:05 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Apr 27 2017, 10:01 AM)

Christoph if you are saying that these bumpers are stolen there's you proof, call the police, that's what I would do if my claim was true.

No money has left my account yet, they even paid for the shipping, but I am out a set of usable bumpers off of my young lads car...and a shitload of time.

All I'm getting out of the deal is a few sets of bumpers.
Yes Drama

Posted by: second wind Apr 27 2017, 05:24 PM

I am dying to get a set of these bumpers but I vote Harrington. Let's get back to $1,100 as well. Just my humble opinion.
gg

Posted by: pete000 Apr 27 2017, 07:00 PM

So, not looking good for the early rear bumpers?

I would still be in for two non Tit front bumpers.

Posted by: mobymutt Apr 27 2017, 07:35 PM

I know I shouldn't comment on this, and I apologize in advance, but I can't help myself.

If PTT's bumpers aren't pressed, then how are they made? Welded? Hammered? 3D printed?

But then later there is a statement that they are pressed on Harrington's molds, then stolen.

Support small business! Poor guy is working in a little shed, making things by hand, sounds like me...

Posted by: ChrisHG Apr 27 2017, 10:23 PM

Dear all,

Thanks for your feedback.

I do agree that Mark sent his original bumper to PTT because the one on the picture is not our original pattern bumper. As PTT does not have a mould for the Porsche 914 bumpers I can assure he bought our faulty bumpers from one of our workers. Sure, we could go to the police but frankly speaking this is a bit of a stretch.

PTT has now a couple of sets and we are not going to do anything about it. The only thing we ensure, is that he will not receive one more set which is pressed out from our mould. Saying this, we just wanted to let you guys know about the situation. Now it’s up to you whether you want to proceed with this group buy or not. You might also consider getting the bumpers from Autoatlanta. They just had a special offer on the bumpers together with the top seals and will likely have it again soon.

Best regards
Christoph

Posted by: Coondog Apr 27 2017, 11:07 PM

No offense Chris HG but it's because of the price of the bumpers that places like AA sale them for is what more then likely led this group down this road. I paid 2,400 dollars for your bumpers from High Performance house in San Francisco and am still pissed off. How about finding a couple reputable vendors....Stoddard or Sierra Madre....who by the way never has them in stock, offer them a exclusive deal with a retail price closer to the 1,200 to 1,400 dollar a set price and I bet you would see a lot more orders. Its not like your paying union wages to get these manufactured in Vietnam.

Posted by: DM71SIX Apr 28 2017, 06:42 AM

The only way to check on the quality of the new bumpers is to get a set for fitment along with your supplied samples. A visit to the production facilities is a good idea. this is a major project which needs great QA. My experience as a commercial photographer with alot of product made in China and the US involved tooling for parts production. The back and forth to get an acceptable part involved several trials and analysis of the parts. The only parts I saw made to spec the first time was from people who had worked together for a long time. Reverse engineering is usually not a good way to produce precision parts.

Have you specified the quality of the steel and the chrome process? Chroming is no longer done the same way as the originals. Good luck on this project. it is a huge effort to get right.

Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 28 2017, 07:18 AM

polished stainless, so no worries about the chrome quality/thickness...

Posted by: Tom_T Apr 28 2017, 12:38 PM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Apr 27 2017, 10:07 PM)

Posted by: Tom_T Apr 28 2017, 12:49 PM

QUOTE(ChrisHG @ Apr 27 2017, 09:23 PM)

Posted by: burton73 Apr 28 2017, 01:04 PM

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Apr 28 2017, 11:49 AM)

QUOTE(ChrisHG @ Apr 27 2017, 09:23 PM)

Dear all,

Thanks for your feedback.

I do agree that Mark sent his original bumper to PTT because the one on the picture is not our original pattern bumper. As PTT does not have a mould for the Porsche 914 bumpers I can assure he bought our faulty bumpers from one of our workers. Sure, we could go to the police but frankly speaking this is a bit of a stretch.

PTT has now a couple of sets and we are not going to do anything about it. The only thing we ensure, is that he will not receive one more set which is pressed out from our mould. Saying this, we just wanted to let you guys know about the situation. Now it’s up to you whether you want to proceed with this group buy or not. You might also consider getting the bumpers from Autoatlanta. They just had a special offer on the bumpers together with the top seals and will likely have it again soon.

Best regards
Christoph

Christoph,

Why don't you contact Mark directly & see what could be worked out with him, & about the other "specials" such as the GT front & early sharp cornered rear bumpers & the 73-74 front & 74 rear with the rubber bumper guards & 2 extra back braces behind them, etc., & his compensation for taking on all of this work to date & what he would lose by leaving PTT????

As it is so far, it really sounds more like you're another vendor hijacking the topic from Mark, where you should really go through him as an alternative negotiated between you two, then come to the group.

While I understand that PTT was perhaps planning to just fulfill Mark's GB order with cleaned up "factory seconds" from Harrington, & all of the industrial espionage, unfair competition, theft & non-disclosure issues that entails - the proper way is to conduct business directly with Mark.

Also, if the PTT plan was to take Harrington's factory seconds to fill Mark's GB sets, then I think that many folks in on the GB may not be happy, & Mark would probably find the quality & fitment problems which made them "seconds" in the first place.

That's my 2 cents worth as a business owner for almost 40 years now.

Cheers!
Tom
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Posted by: Tom_T Apr 28 2017, 01:11 PM

QUOTE(burton73 @ Apr 28 2017, 12:04 PM)

Posted by: Coondog Apr 28 2017, 03:53 PM

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Apr 28 2017, 11:38 AM)

QUOTE(Coondog @ Apr 27 2017, 10:07 PM)

No offense Chris HG but it's because of the price of the bumpers that places like AA sale them for is what more then likely led this group down this road. I paid 2,400 dollars for your bumpers from High Performance house in San Francisco and am still pissed off. How about finding a couple reputable vendors....Stoddard or Sierra Madre....who by the way never has them in stock, offer them a exclusive deal with a retail price closer to the 1,200 to 1,400 dollar a set price and I bet you would see a lot more orders. Its not like your paying union wages to get these manufactured in Vietnam.

Coondog,

I thought Rich advertised his SS 914 bumpers as USA made - or used to do so? Has that changed?

Ergo the higher price from HPH than Harrington or AA etc. from Vietnam.

Just curious ....





Tom
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Posted by: mepstein Apr 28 2017, 04:18 PM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Apr 28 2017, 05:53 PM)

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Apr 28 2017, 11:38 AM)

QUOTE(Coondog @ Apr 27 2017, 10:07 PM)

No offense Chris HG but it's because of the price of the bumpers that places like AA sale them for is what more then likely led this group down this road. I paid 2,400 dollars for your bumpers from High Performance house in San Francisco and am still pissed off. How about finding a couple reputable vendors....Stoddard or Sierra Madre....who by the way never has them in stock, offer them a exclusive deal with a retail price closer to the 1,200 to 1,400 dollar a set price and I bet you would see a lot more orders. Its not like your paying union wages to get these manufactured in Vietnam.

Coondog,

I thought Rich advertised his SS 914 bumpers as USA made - or used to do so? Has that changed?

Ergo the higher price from HPH than Harrington or AA etc. from Vietnam.

Just curious ....





Tom
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Nope he gets them from Vietnam

Posted by: Tom_T Apr 28 2017, 08:48 PM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Apr 28 2017, 03:18 PM)

Posted by: RobW Apr 29 2017, 05:48 AM

We need Mikey to make these.

Posted by: rmdinmd Apr 29 2017, 07:07 AM

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am committed to being in with Mark on this group buy. He started this and he will choose which way to go.

Posted by: db9146 Apr 29 2017, 07:15 AM

"we do not want our bumpers to be sold by him, we will match his price for this group buy"

So PTT is now a competitor with his former employer through circumstances we will likely never fully understand.....but his product has yet to go through the verification process which is substantial. Don't underestimate the effort in this step to get properly fitting bumpers.

Has Harrington's offer been fully considered?

Posted by: Krieger Apr 29 2017, 08:30 AM

So, if Harrington is THE source for PTT's bumpers, how long do you think PTT will be in business?

Posted by: mepstein Apr 29 2017, 09:09 AM

QUOTE(rmdinmd @ Apr 29 2017, 09:07 AM)

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am committed to being in with Mark on this group buy. He started this and he will choose which way to go.

Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 29 2017, 10:09 AM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Apr 29 2017, 11:09 AM)

QUOTE(rmdinmd @ Apr 29 2017, 09:07 AM)

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am committed to being in with Mark on this group buy. He started this and he will choose which way to go.

Yep, it's Mark's baby. I'll send him money when he tells me it's good.

Posted by: bahnzai Apr 29 2017, 11:19 AM

Mark, for me, I am happy to place my trust in you. If you say it is good to go, I am on board.
I know this has been a huge amount of work for you already and that is greatly appreciated.
There are so many of us that are excited about the opportunity, especially the GT front bumper option.

Thanks again for tackling this!!!

Posted by: Olympic 1.7 Apr 29 2017, 11:32 AM

QUOTE(bahnzai @ Apr 29 2017, 01:19 PM)

Posted by: Mitox Apr 29 2017, 05:23 PM

Mark,

I'm still in; thanks for all of your work on this.

Michael

Posted by: Tom_T Apr 29 2017, 05:34 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Apr 29 2017, 09:09 AM)

Posted by: r_towle Apr 29 2017, 08:13 PM

wow, this sucks for Mark. I hope it works out.

Rich

Posted by: Mark Henry May 6 2017, 09:26 AM

Well here's something you can't get from Harrington.

Samples will be shipping soon.





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Posted by: mepstein May 6 2017, 09:28 AM

Posted by: bahnzai May 6 2017, 09:29 AM

Wow! Very nice.

Posted by: RennTiger May 12 2017, 09:22 PM

Be very careful.
I just tried mounting my new set today and the fit was not even close.
My car has never been hit or restored. The Harrington bumpers are so inaccurate that you can see the difference in the "bow" of the front bumper as soon as you open the box.
I may have gotten a "bad" set, and maybe you will have better luck, but either way, after waiting 9 weeks, I am not interested in any more dealings with them.
Will charge back through Amex.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed May 12 2017, 11:00 PM

QUOTE(RennTiger @ May 12 2017, 08:22 PM)

Posted by: lonewolfe May 13 2017, 05:00 AM

QUOTE(RennTiger @ May 12 2017, 08:22 PM)

Posted by: Niklas May 13 2017, 08:34 AM

I have bought two sets from Harrington group.
They are absolut perfect fit.
Very Nice!

Niklas

Posted by: JimFitz33 May 26 2017, 05:47 PM

Any word on the group buy Mark?

Posted by: amfab Jun 1 2017, 06:28 PM

I too am curious

Posted by: Justinp71 Jun 5 2017, 11:33 AM

I am also curious about the group buy. I am not on the list, But I am interested.

Posted by: Justinp71 Jun 7 2017, 09:25 AM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ May 6 2017, 08:26 AM)

Well here's something you can't get from Harrington.

Samples will be shipping soon.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jun 7 2017, 11:24 AM

The sample bumpers are in transit
We'll see how long they get held up at customs

Stainless no coating. Nice thing is if you get a scratch you should be able to sand and buff it out.
Con is bare SS technically can oxidize from salt, etc., but that shouldn't be a issue for a garaged 914 and especially if the bumper has a nice coat of wax.

Posted by: JRust Jun 18 2017, 03:22 PM

I can't wait to see the sample's. I am ready to be added to the list if they are nice! I want the GT front bumper & the early rear. I can even swing the $1200 at the moment so hopefully they will get through customs quick

Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 18 2017, 06:15 PM

Funny AA is saying on the club site your GB is dead and offering up bumpers. I'll make a special for front and rear tops to help support this GB.
Id offer a special for those that have stepoed up to support Marks efforts here.
Ill talk to mark about how to handle, but will offer up a good discount with free domestic shipping.
Mark

PS put me down for an early set!

Posted by: mepstein Jun 18 2017, 07:00 PM

George is such a sleaze bag. He'll lie to his mother to make a buck. I'm still shocked he has a presence in the 914 world. It seems all the 356 & 911 guys know his reputation and stay far away.

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Jun 19 2017, 07:43 AM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Jun 18 2017, 06:15 PM)

Posted by: jd74914 Jun 19 2017, 07:50 AM

I can't wait to see pictures of these things in Mark's hands. The more I think about it the more enticing getting a set is...

Posted by: gandalf_025 Jun 19 2017, 11:12 AM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Jun 18 2017, 09:00 PM)

Posted by: arne Jun 26 2017, 09:53 PM

Mark, assuming the quality of product makes you happy, I'd like to get in for one set, options B & C. (If it had option D I could live with that too.)

Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 26 2017, 08:21 AM

OK, first sorry this is taking so long.

Samples are here, 3 sets, but it's going to take me till the end of the weekend to do all the QC checks.
I have to work at the jobs that put food on the table and my 996 engine program is consuming most of my time.

Overall pretty good, but I'm finding numerous small issues that need to be corrected before they are ready for prime time.
These include things like the opening for fog grills is not cut out enough for the grill to sit down correctly and grill mount holes are off slightly. The one rear the brackets are about 1/8" proud, might be able to correct this one by trimming the dogbone steel insert a bit, but I again want this corrected.
They went and frick'n welded nuts to the inside front bumper brackets.

There's a few more things but let me scope them totally out first.
All these things need to be corrected.

From a visual check the GT bumper looks outstanding.

I was hoping that I could drop ship to some who wanted no options or only GT (option E), as it would save on the 2nd shipping from Canada cost, but I really don't think that's a good plan.
I think I should QC every bumper, also I think I'm going to demand a 20% holdback from the manufacturer till they pass QC.

I was also hoping to sell a couple of these sets to recoup some cash, I might be able to soon, but these ones need work on this end which I wasn't planing on.

So progress, but it's slow going.


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Posted by: mb911 Jul 26 2017, 08:25 AM

I really want a GT bumper.. And don't care to much about qc. Maybe I could work you a deal on my prototype muffler.?

Posted by: bahnzai Jul 26 2017, 08:27 AM

Mark,
Thanks for the update. No rush at this point, better to get it right after all your work so far!

The GT bumper looks awesome by the way!!

Thank you for tackling this.

Posted by: Norskpole Jul 26 2017, 09:22 AM

The GT bumper looks really nice...thanks for taking this arduous project on!

Posted by: live free & drive Jul 26 2017, 01:41 PM

Hi

"I was hoping that I could drop ship to some who wanted no options or only GT (option E)"

I'm more than willing to buy, right now, the option E front bumper as I'm on the list for that. I'm not worried about shipping or customs costs.

Jon

Posted by: zoedog Jul 29 2017, 08:32 AM

Good Day
Very Impressive, they will be a wonderful improvement in place of the black painted steel one I have now.
Walt

Posted by: amfab Jul 29 2017, 11:20 PM

OOH, they look nice.
I have months of rust work so no rush on my end, but I am glad to see ithe project is still moving.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 31 2017, 07:06 PM

So I've been fitting the GT bumper, it's a fair bit of work as a bunch of the holes are a bit off and the grill holes need a lot of trimming. I'm going to make the manufacturer cut them proper as I don't want to do this for every bumper. But I'll likely tell them I'll drill the holes for the grill mount screws.

The holes for the rear top was spot on, but the fronts were way off on studs #2 and # 4. I'm going to get that corrected, I don't mind a hair off as that's easily fixed, but these two were was way off,

One side fit's perfect the other is a hair down, but I think the washer I'm using is too big and hitting the 914 mount indent. I'll try the correct OE size washer to see if it corrects this issue.

One thing about the crappy colour change on my 914 is it makes I nice line for checking the fit.


Overall I'd say with corrections these will be a pretty good fit.


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Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 31 2017, 07:10 PM

One thing I noticed is these are 914rubber grills they are quite a bit brighter than the stainless steel. Not that bad, but it is noticeable.
Maybe a little road grime will tone the grills down a bit.




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Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 31 2017, 07:12 PM

Fit in the corners, like I said I'll see if the correct size washer will let me raise the left side a bit more.


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Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 31 2017, 07:20 PM

Ignore my "custom" LE bumper valance with cutout.
It will look better with the correct valance.


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Posted by: mb911 Jul 31 2017, 08:12 PM

Looks good.. I would be good with that on my car.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 31 2017, 08:49 PM

QUOTE(mb911 @ Jul 31 2017, 10:12 PM)

Posted by: lonewolfe Jul 31 2017, 09:20 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jul 31 2017, 06:20 PM)

Ignore my "custom" LE bumper valance with cutout.
It will look better with the correct valance.

Posted by: porschetub Jul 31 2017, 09:27 PM

Good work Mark,jeez like pulling teeth to get this done,great effort for sticking with it and providing supply for world members.
Its a hard road doing what you have done and I admire that...

Posted by: JimFitz33 Oct 7 2017, 11:53 AM

Has there been any additional movement on the group buy?
Would still like to get in on this if possible.

Posted by: Olympic 914 Jan 18 2018, 10:53 AM

Just dragging this out of the past.

Any progress?

Posted by: lonewolfe Jan 18 2018, 08:49 PM

This group buy looks like it fizzled out!

Posted by: mepstein Jan 19 2018, 07:40 AM

I'll wait to hear from Mark. Its amazing how long it takes to develop a product. Especially when dealing with an overseas vendor.

Posted by: JOEPROPER Jan 19 2018, 12:37 PM

I'm waiting to see this thru and hoping it all pans out.

Posted by: rmdinmd Jan 19 2018, 03:56 PM

Posted by: gothspeed Jan 19 2018, 04:27 PM

Bumpers look great and would like to see these available ... but for now, I want to know what type of fog lights those are on Mark Henry's car

Posted by: mb911 Jan 20 2018, 12:39 PM

I know how long these projects take especially when you are not doing the manufacturing yourself.. My GT oil lines were supposed to done November then December and now the end of January and there os nothing I can do about it..

Mark I can't wait to see these in person when it happens..I have my deposit sitting in my PayPal account and when your ready ..

Posted by: ConeDodger Jan 20 2018, 04:26 PM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 19 2018, 10:40 AM)

Posted by: mb911 Jan 20 2018, 04:33 PM

Maybe but they are 800 dollars or so more through them and I just can't justify that at this point for my car and many others feel the same..

If this does fall through it would interesting to see if RD would make them and send them for chroming..

Posted by: mepstein Jan 20 2018, 04:42 PM

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Jan 20 2018, 05:26 PM)

QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 19 2018, 10:40 AM)

I'll wait to hear from Mark. Its amazing how long it takes to develop a product. Especially when dealing with an overseas vendor.

It looks like George at AA kind of fuched Mark. He’s in the member vendor section with them and I think he uses the word “perfect” 6 times in his first post about them. oh, and $700 higher priced than what Mark projected!

Posted by: 914werke Jan 20 2018, 05:25 PM

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Jan 20 2018, 02:26 PM)

It looks like George at AA kind of fuched Mark. He’s in the member vendor section with them and I think he uses the word “perfect” 6 times in his first post about them. oh, and $700 higher priced than what Mark projected!

Posted by: ConeDodger Jan 20 2018, 05:36 PM

Mark started his effort exactly a year ago. Publicly, on this forum where George ghosts pretty much constantly. Mark was transparent about his source. George snuck n the back door and bought a large supply. Kind of an “i’ll Buy everything you can produce” approach. I could give you several examples. He has approached another vendor and said “how much for 1000 of these?” And then, once he knows the price point, “ok, I’ll take 10 to start with.” Then, he never buys another unit. He sends the 10 off to be reverse engineered by his supplier.

It has nothing to do with capitalism. It’s an integrity thing.

Posted by: 914werke Jan 20 2018, 05:41 PM

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Jan 20 2018, 03:36 PM)

Posted by: Steve Jan 20 2018, 05:57 PM

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Jan 20 2018, 03:36 PM)

Posted by: mihai914 Jan 20 2018, 08:09 PM

This group buy is organized by Mark Henry not Mark from 914rubber.

Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 20 2018, 09:47 PM

That is correct. As far as bumper tops go, we were the only ones making these. They were hand cast in silicone with catalized rubber. There was no other option at the time. The margins were not great as they were quite labor intensive. We roll the funds we did make and others into improving the process and product. We do not take funds out of the business and continue to take on big and small projects to help with restoration and preservation. If ever you feel your not getting a fair shake please let me know.
Mark

Posted by: 914bub Dec 15 2019, 10:32 PM

Mark directed me to this thread after I posted about stainless bumpers for another make of car, (Volvo). Now I'm wondering, how did this all end? Did people get their bumpers in the end? Were people happy with the quality of them?

Posted by: euro911 Dec 16 2019, 03:16 AM

I'd like to get a set for my Ghia

Posted by: mb911 Dec 16 2019, 05:30 AM

QUOTE(914bub @ Dec 15 2019, 08:32 PM)

Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 16 2019, 09:32 AM

Less than half the samples finish quality ok other half+ not so much, on the horses in the sun some were wave city. Fitting was way off with 10-12 hours custom fitting time. It wasn't worth doing, there was some sketchyness with them and Harrington...bottom line it wasn't worth fuching up my name.
Loss of $5K plus a good rear chrome bumper. At least I have a nice GT front bumper and some spares for my two cars.

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Dec 16 2019, 01:24 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Dec 16 2019, 10:32 AM)

Posted by: djway Dec 17 2019, 05:02 AM

QUOTE(euro911 @ Dec 16 2019, 01:16 AM)

I'd like to get a set for my Ghia

Posted by: brcacti Dec 17 2019, 07:58 AM

I love the chrome front/rear bumpers, mine are black I wonder how much chrome bumpers would cost if I traded the black?

Posted by: mepstein Dec 17 2019, 08:01 AM

QUOTE(brcacti @ Dec 17 2019, 08:58 AM)

I love the chrome front/rear bumpers, mine are black I wonder how much chrome bumpers would cost if I traded the black?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Dec 17 2019, 10:07 AM

I agree, if you have original parts, rechrome them. The bumper shop in california does a great job for about 400 each
If you do not have bumpers, then we do have the polished stainless steel in stock

QUOTE(mepstein @ Dec 17 2019, 07:01 AM)

QUOTE(brcacti @ Dec 17 2019, 08:58 AM)

I love the chrome front/rear bumpers, mine are black I wonder how much chrome bumpers would cost if I traded the black?

Take your bumpers to a chrome shop. Probably $400-600 each and you know they will fit your car.

Posted by: bobboinski Dec 18 2019, 08:52 PM

Do you have contact information for this bumper shop in California?

QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Dec 17 2019, 09:07 AM)

I agree, if you have original parts, rechrome them. The bumper shop in california does a great job for about 400 each
If you do not have bumpers, then we do have the polished stainless steel in stock

QUOTE(mepstein @ Dec 17 2019, 07:01 AM)

QUOTE(brcacti @ Dec 17 2019, 08:58 AM)

I love the chrome front/rear bumpers, mine are black I wonder how much chrome bumpers would cost if I traded the black?

Take your bumpers to a chrome shop. Probably $400-600 each and you know they will fit your car.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Dec 19 2019, 11:35 AM

sure contact me off line and I will give it to you

QUOTE(bobboinski @ Dec 18 2019, 07:52 PM)

Do you have contact information for this bumper shop in California?

QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Dec 17 2019, 09:07 AM)

I agree, if you have original parts, rechrome them. The bumper shop in california does a great job for about 400 each
If you do not have bumpers, then we do have the polished stainless steel in stock

QUOTE(mepstein @ Dec 17 2019, 07:01 AM)

QUOTE(brcacti @ Dec 17 2019, 08:58 AM)

I love the chrome front/rear bumpers, mine are black I wonder how much chrome bumpers would cost if I traded the black?

Take your bumpers to a chrome shop. Probably $400-600 each and you know they will fit your car.

Posted by: raynekat Dec 19 2019, 06:00 PM

Mine came from Harrington, and they are very nice.
Fit well, very little adjustment needed.
Weren't cheap and definitely took a few months to receive.
Got them a couple years ago.
Not sure what the current delivery/quality is?

But I'm happy I don't have to worry about replacing these for a long, long time.

Posted by: djway Dec 21 2019, 12:24 AM

I could use contact information for a bumper repair, chrome shop is So Cal