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Posted by: Lawrence May 1 2005, 11:21 AM
I'm looking for a couple of slobber bottles. I need one for the /6 and one for the Aubergine (not purple) car.
I'm having some trouble actually finding them available online. Any suggested sources?
-Rusty 
Posted by: rhodyguy May 1 2005, 11:29 AM
rusty, long ago b told me to buy a jax(?), jacks(?) bottle to use instead of the breather box setup. never could figure out where to purchase one. i WILL need to source one as the new heads have the vents plugged. i may just put a petcock in an old windshield washer bottle, some sort of filter top, and find a place to mount it.
k
Posted by: SLITS May 1 2005, 11:35 AM
On our race cars, we used pint/quart metal cans with the screw top. Cheap...drill a hole in the cap for the hose...check level every once in a while and dump if necessary. To barbarian to put a bottom drain in.
Then if you want purty....well, your on your own.
Posted by: d914 May 1 2005, 01:24 PM
the vintage thread used bilke water bottles and brackets, looked very nice.
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 1 2005, 01:28 PM
I was going to use a windshield washer bottle. I'm in the metal phase still so I planned on welding in the actual mounts. The center of the cap is removable so you can insert the hose and the bottom can be "vented" out the bottom.
If I could find a square GT style I'd probably go that route...
Posted by: lapuwali May 1 2005, 02:14 PM
Amusing things one has seen used as "slobber bottles":
the most common, of course, is a soda can, often with a wheel mark on it because it was just picked up from an access road at the edge of the paddock in a blind rush because the real catch can was forgotten...
my personal best was discovering a Honey Bear honey bottle (plastic squeeze bottle in the shape of a teddy bear) buried under the seat of a race bike I'd just purchased. Nicely zip-tied to the frame, with the squeeze nozzle used as the hose barb, and a vent hole drilled into the cap. So nice, I left it there, and eventually sold the bike with it still there.
Posted by: majkos May 1 2005, 02:27 PM
Slobber bottles!? 
Huh?
Oooh! We call 'em around here "Puke Boxes" 
C.B. and Scat (VW)carries them if you like the Alum. look.
Thou I like the afforable one that works, pop bottles, Bear Honey, My favorite is the bike bottles.Can get thoses for free! 
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 1 2005, 02:46 PM
The GT bottle was a windhsield washer bottle from "something"... anyone know what? 
Posted by: ! May 1 2005, 02:54 PM
Bikey Spandex fag water bottle and cages.....prolly not the PC term...but that's what I use... 
Greg is prolly pissed cause I agree wit heem.....
Posted by: d914 May 1 2005, 05:18 PM
If I'm that Greg I'm always surprised when some one agrees with me... By the way mine uses a overflow/ window washer tank from PEP Boys.
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Posted by: d914 May 1 2005, 05:20 PM
by the way, son keeps putting the camera on manual and I cant see the pictures until after they are on the computer. Need reading glasses to see that small screen on the camera!!
Posted by: ! May 1 2005, 05:23 PM
Don't press the shutter down completely...let it auto focus then press all the way.
Posted by: Lawrence May 1 2005, 05:26 PM
The purpose of a puke/slobber bottle is to capture the oil that escapes due to crankcase pressure, right?
If that oil escapes in vapor form, doesn't the bottle itself need to be vented so that it doesn't pop, or allow that oil-filled vapor escape to the air?
I have a problem pouring oil onto the ground or air, if I can prevent it. It goes into the environment. 
-Rusty
Posted by: d914 May 1 2005, 05:27 PM
DAH, 
"son keeps putting on "MANUAL" and I forget to check!! Took a bunch that were all blurry and I finally figured it out. Last night was my daughter's Prom. Reading glasses and camera on auto focus, much better....!!!!
Posted by: ! May 1 2005, 05:31 PM
| QUOTE (Lawrence @ May 1 2005, 03:26 PM) |
| The purpose of a puke/slobber bottle is to capture the oil that escapes due to crankcase pressure, right? If that oil escapes in vapor form, doesn't the bottle itself need to be vented so that it doesn't pop, or allow that oil-filled vapor escape to the air? I have a problem pouring oil onto the ground or air, if I can prevent it. It goes into the environment. -Rusty |
Yeah...I have a bottle with a sponge in the bottem and then vapor vented back to the carbs....
Posted by: datapace May 1 2005, 05:43 PM
How about http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4545270310&category=34201. 
-bryan
Posted by: Aaron Cox May 1 2005, 06:25 PM
| QUOTE ("Z" @ May 1 2005, 04:31 PM) | ||
Yeah...I have a bottle with a sponge in the bottem and then vapor vented back to the carbs.... |
why not buy a typical VW breather system?
a box with 3 or 4 hose fittings, and a sponge filter to keep the vapors going into the ENVIRO, and all the oil drains back into the heads later
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 1 2005, 06:26 PM
| QUOTE |
| How about this one from ebay |
Yeah... that's Armando. If you check out his site he shows it with the cap and washer hose still attached which is why I know they're washer fluid bottles off "something". I don't think they're off 911's. My 66 911 had a "bag". My 71 had a bottle with the pump attached... Lost
(and I aint about to spend more than $27.50 no way I'd spend $275.00)
Posted by: J P Stein May 1 2005, 06:37 PM
This stylish number on the left is plastic & started life as a mixed nuts container. Inside is a breather to knock down vapor & under the lid is a half inch of foam for the same purpose.....bunch of holes drilled in the lid to vent. We are not all hooked back up yet.....but I'm workin' on it.
It stayed dry in normal usage but caught 6-8 oz at AXs.
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Posted by: Dominic May 1 2005, 07:07 PM
Here is a JAZ breather bottle I found on ebay. These have a filter and a drain at the bottom of the bottle.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7971078795&category=6763
Posted by: campbellcj May 1 2005, 11:20 PM
I went with an aluminum Canton bottle. A windshield reservoir would've worked just fine, but this was more stylish 
LOL...plus it has the threaded fittings and drain petcock.
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Posted by: Aaron Cox May 1 2005, 11:26 PM
Eric Shea
will this work for your GT? relatively close....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36631&item=4545563141&rd=1#ebayphotohosting
Posted by: red914 May 2 2005, 07:32 AM
| QUOTE (Lawrence @ May 1 2005, 03:26 PM) |
| The purpose of a puke/slobber bottle is to capture the oil that escapes due to crankcase pressure, right? If that oil escapes in vapor form, doesn't the bottle itself need to be vented so that it doesn't pop, or allow that oil-filled vapor escape to the air? I have a problem pouring oil onto the ground or air, if I can prevent it. It goes into the environment. -Rusty |
(note: this post will reveal my ignorance and lack of knowledge)
so, is this slobber bottle installed instead of routing the breather tubes into the airfilters, as i have seen on some cars? i think this was the cause of my late oil leak, which is now gone since rerouting the breather tubes into the air filters. did i do a bad thing?
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 2 2005, 07:52 AM
That would work... if it were stateside.
I actually like Chris's Canton bottle.
Miley-Pooh, it's not the best place to route those hoses in the first place, plus under racing conditions it can spit up a great deal making it "definitly" not the best place to route those hoses. For street it's not a "bad" thing and for a wet sump car....
Posted by: red914 May 2 2005, 08:35 AM
so, from the bottle it simply returns to the case?
silly me, i thought i had this all figured out, and now i realize that i know nothing! AAUUGGHH!!
Posted by: SLITS May 2 2005, 08:50 AM
| QUOTE (red914 @ May 2 2005, 07:35 AM) |
| so, from the bottle it simply returns to the case? silly me, i thought i had this all figured out, and now i realize that i know nothing! AAUUGGHH!! |
We never returned "puked" oil to the engine system in the race cars.
BTW, the "puke cans" as we called them were attached to the breather of any oil system, two on the engine and one on the tranny. Start dropping fluids in a race and your race is over - Black Flag....(not the bug killer either).
Posted by: rhodyguy May 2 2005, 09:23 AM
shane, you would eliminate the need to run any additional lines other than the one to the bottle. you simply empty the catch bottle as needed. you may find routing the venting to one carb makes for a mess.
k
Posted by: red914 May 2 2005, 09:37 AM
actually, i am venting to two carbs now, Kevin; will that still make for a mess? my engine is a lot cleaner, as it doesn't just spill out all over the place. that is an improvement, right?
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 2 2005, 09:42 AM
| QUOTE |
| so, from the bottle it simply returns to the case? |
Nope. There's a petcock at the bottom of the good ones (like what Chris has $90.00). After the race you check and empty if needed. Dump the remains out underneath SLITS car and watch him spend the next 4 hours looking for the leak
Posted by: rhodyguy May 2 2005, 09:46 AM
or the nearest storm water grate. esp if it drains directly to puget sound. your setup should work just fine shane. remember, don't fix what is working for you. 
k
Posted by: red914 May 2 2005, 09:48 AM
thanks for the assurance, Kevin. it seems to be running really nicely now. now to focus on other issues, like ignoring rust!
actually, i need to play "let's make a deal" with Dino for a pair of his ss heat exchangers.
Posted by: HotRod May 2 2005, 11:48 AM
Check with Summit Racing, they're primarily into V8 drag racers, but have some general racing equipment that is reasonable in price.
I use two of these...one vent line from each valve cover.
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=/egnsearch.asp&N=400304
Posted by: HotRod May 2 2005, 11:50 AM
Ooops, That should be...
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=/egnsearch.asp&N=400304
Posted by: HotRod May 2 2005, 11:53 AM
Odd, the link doesn't seem to work...just type in "breather tanks" into the search, I use the blue plastic ones with the filter on top.
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 2 2005, 12:57 PM
That's much closer to my $27.50 price. With the petcock, mounts, and breather. Done!
Thanks HotRod 
(Any pictures of your mount? I think I like where Chris put his...)
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 2 2005, 01:05 PM
Rusty... jump on that one. It's the best deal I've seen.
Thanks again HotRod... I searched Summit earlier in this thread but didn't see these. 
Posted by: JmuRiz May 2 2005, 01:06 PM
| QUOTE (HotRod @ May 2 2005, 09:53 AM) |
| Odd, the link doesn't seem to work...just type in "breather tanks" into the search, I use the blue plastic ones with the filter on top. |
Here ya go:
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail.asp&Ntt=breather+tanks&N=0&rsview=sku&part=SUM%2DG1504&autoview=sku&Ns=P%5FSRE%5FDisplayPrice%7C0&Ntk=KeywordSearch
Posted by: rhodyguy May 2 2005, 01:11 PM
in my tommy flanagan voice "YA, THAT'S THE TICKET!!!". thank you. i like the red one. while i'm painting the engine tin to match, perhaps i should....
k
Posted by: brant May 2 2005, 01:12 PM
As mentioned on page one of this thread.
We went with bike bottles because of cost effectiveness and weight.
You can buy bottle frames in any material, and they tell you how many GRAMS they weigh... not ounces but rather grams.
we went with aluminum (over titanium) because they are so cheap:
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Posted by: Eric_Shea May 2 2005, 01:19 PM
| QUOTE |
| while i'm painting the engine tin to match, perhaps i should.... |
Stay in bed ya sick bastard, you're gonna get us all infected
Brant, curious, why drill the little hole when you had that great big ole one right next to it. Oooopppppppppps, never mind... "weight savings". Probably got another .000347 grams outta that one
Posted by: brant May 2 2005, 01:28 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ May 2 2005, 12:19 PM) | ||
Stay in bed ya sick bastard, you're gonna get us all infected Brant, curious, why drill the little hole when you had that great big ole one right next to it. Oooopppppppppps, never mind... "weight savings". Probably got another .000347 grams outta that one |
Eric,
to be honest, I think I already had the little hole too.
(Is there possibly a nut welded to the chassis in that location, for the front of the targa top?)
for what ever reason I think we had the little hole.
Plus, the little hole lined up much better for that hose from the tranny
whoo'dy... hoo...hooo... (lol)
brant
Posted by: JmuRiz May 2 2005, 01:41 PM
Seems like most of the guys with these overflow bottles are running 6's. Do us 4-cyl guys need these or would we be fine running something like this:
with lines going to the heads and one to the oil filler? Or do we need a overflow bottle in there somewhere. Thanks just want to do it 'right' when I install mine.
Posted by: SLITS May 2 2005, 01:46 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ May 2 2005, 08:42 AM) | ||
Nope. There's a petcock at the bottom of the good ones (like what Chris has $90.00). After the race you check and empty if needed. Dump the remains out underneath SLITS car and watch him spend the next 4 hours looking for the leak |
Wrong Buffalobreath.....my cars don't leak oil
Posted by: rhodyguy May 2 2005, 04:13 PM
jim, those boxes are open around the top edge. not much, but ever so slightly. brad warned me that over time my freshly painted engine compartment would have a thin coating of oil. perfect for catching a thin layer of dust. that was one time i wished he didn't know what he was talking about 
.
k
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 2 2005, 05:05 PM
| QUOTE |
| (Is there possibly a nut welded to the chassis in that location, for the front of the targa top?) |
Ahhhhhhhhh... no. Nice try though.
Buffalobreath...? Hey, hey... HEY watchit "Ticketboy"
Posted by: HotRod May 3 2005, 08:29 AM
JMURiz, you don't want to mess with that box...I tried one once and it was a major mistake, what a mess.
Eric, I'll see if I can get a pic of my mounts for the Breather Tanks, basically I welded in a mount where the stock battery locations and another on the opposite side of the engine compartment. There's only a small area up there where there's enough room for the bottle. I converted the 6- connectors on the bottle to -10.
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 3 2005, 08:31 AM
| QUOTE |
| I converted the 6- connectors on the bottle to -10. |
I though about that too.
How simple (or not) was it?
Posted by: HotRod May 3 2005, 08:41 AM
It was pretty simple, but this is a race car and the whole battery tray is cut out and the battery mounted in the passenger footwell. It may be a bit harder if the battery tray is to remain in the stock location. You may want to look at mounting directly to the firewall (or with spacers) in front of the engine. Convertn to the -10 was rael easy, I just used a -10 top 5/8 NPT adapter and screwed the NPT into the plastic bottle, it tapped itself.
Posted by: JmuRiz May 3 2005, 09:02 AM
| QUOTE (HotRod @ May 3 2005, 06:29 AM) |
| JMURiz, you don't want to mess with that box...I tried one once and it was a major mistake, what a mess. Eric, I'll see if I can get a pic of my mounts for the Breather Tanks, basically I welded in a mount where the stock battery locations and another on the opposite side of the engine compartment. There's only a small area up there where there's enough room for the bottle. I converted the 6- connectors on the bottle to -10. |
Cool,
Pictures would be nice. I 'could' always seal up the top on that container and run a spare K&N breather filter about 3" up from that. I'll brainstorm and come up with something based on what you guys are running.
BTW where in Burke are you, my parents live there and I take the 914 to their place every now and then.
Posted by: HotRod May 3 2005, 09:12 AM
I'll see what I can do about pics, I've got the camera, but the PCs been broken for about two months.
I'm right across from Lake Braddock High School. Signal Hill.
Posted by: J P Stein May 3 2005, 01:35 PM
A word for those considering mounting a "Breather" on the outside of your puke tank.
The puke tank will catch the fluids, the breather will catch much of the vaporous shittage....unfortunately, it will do it outside the tank.
Posted by: MJHanna May 3 2005, 02:08 PM
I used the one with the drain pulg in the bottom. much easier to empty
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Posted by: Oracle May 3 2005, 08:01 PM
FYI
Here is the summit bottle with new connectors (it comes with only one) and it's threaded, I thought these would work better.
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Posted by: Oracle May 3 2005, 08:02 PM
Here it is bolted down...
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Posted by: Eric_Shea May 4 2005, 05:02 PM
It's Here! It's May 4th and it's here!!
Hey, if you happen to operate or work for a "Parts House" of sorts and you're looking for a good example of service.
1. Ordered Online on May 2nd. (said it was "In Stock" and it turns out it really was!)
2. Checked tha catalog box so I might take a peek and possibly order more in the future.
3. May 4th, order arrives.
4. Product is of "better" quality than expected and 1/3rd the price of others.
5. Catalog is in the box as requested.
6. Summit Racing "Hat" is also in the box sized to fit.
Can't do much better than that. Period. Going to leaf through the catalog now to see if I can give them any more of my loot
Posted by: J P Stein May 4 2005, 05:14 PM
If Summit was in the Porsche parts biddness, a goodly number of rest of these outfits wouldn't be.
Posted by: sixnotfour May 4 2005, 07:02 PM
Jegs is another Hot Rod supplier that is quick and correct. have some different items but alot of the same.
Posted by: mskala May 4 2005, 08:35 PM
Lawrence, I thought your car was kinda stock, if you use the
stock air cleaner it already has connection to the oil tank vent
line.
Is it sacrilege to run a porsche air box around here? 
(I did cut off the snorkel)
Posted by: Aaron Cox May 4 2005, 11:04 PM
| QUOTE (mskala @ May 4 2005, 07:35 PM) |
| Lawrence, I thought your car was kinda stock, if you use the stock air cleaner it already has connection to the oil tank vent line. Is it sacrilege to run a porsche air box around here? (I did cut off the snorkel) |
the purple people eater has carbs.
he could run them into the aircleaners if he wishes.
Posted by: Lawrence May 4 2005, 11:08 PM
| QUOTE (mskala @ May 4 2005, 09:35 PM) |
| Lawrence, I thought your car was kinda stock, if you use the stock air cleaner it already has connection to the oil tank vent line. Is it sacrilege to run a porsche air box around here? (I did cut off the snorkel) |
You're referring to my 914/6 right?
I removed and stored the stock airbox and am running K&N filters with water shields. That change really brightens up the engine compartment.
Posted by: JmuRiz May 5 2005, 02:47 PM
| QUOTE (Oracle @ May 3 2005, 06:02 PM) |
| Here it is bolted down... |
Cool, so you are running a line from each of the heads to this? Then using the drain in the bottom to drain it every now and then. Could you run the drain line back into the oil-filler? I like the looks of that setup...are there any baffles etc inside the bottle to keep oil from slashing out of the filter?
Posted by: rhodyguy May 19 2005, 10:46 AM
here you go read this one.
k
Posted by: rhodyguy May 22 2005, 02:21 PM
the one from summit is MUCH too large for the engine compartment.
k
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 22 2005, 02:30 PM
There's a picture of it mounted in the engine compartment on page 3 of this thread...
Posted by: rhodyguy May 22 2005, 02:54 PM
the wife asked me if i knew there was a box for me on the porch a while ago. i'll clarify a bit. it's MUCH too large for my [I]taste[I]. the design is what i like but the 1 quart capacity is a bit of over kill and the drain petcock is way down there . i figured the mounting hardware was a bracket of some sort. you have to take out the back pad, drill a couple of holes, and bolt it on through the cabin side (i can f that up no problem). the local flaps sells the pleated style breather filter on its own. i'll get one and look for a bicyle bottle (smaller) with the fancy chrome bracket. i hope the return shipping isn't to steep. we need a dollar bill down the drain smiley. back to the drawing board.
k
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 22 2005, 02:57 PM
Just think of all the things you could do/fix once the interior was out
Posted by: rhodyguy May 22 2005, 03:01 PM
LEAVE ME ALONE!!! i've just gotten well. changed the oil yesterday and put the car promptly back on the ground. 
k
Posted by: ! May 22 2005, 03:06 PM
PANSY....I just finished the brake light fix, the CAMP 914 driving lights are in and now gonna tackle the Rennshifter.......HEY was "I" the first ecomm buyer????
Posted by: rhodyguy May 22 2005, 03:08 PM
well i guess you're all kinds of legal now mike.
k
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