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Posted by: dcheek Feb 6 2017, 08:19 AM

A very good friend on mine scored what I think could be deal of the century. He is a VW collector and has restored/modified many air cooled VW's over the years. He is not that familiar with Porsches and has asked me to give him advise as to what he has purchased and what he should do with it.

I got a call this past Sunday that he purchased a Porsche 914- 6 from an estate for $1000.00 !!! Of course, the first question I asked was what the serial number was to determine if it was a real "6". Turns out that it was a '74 converted to a "6". From the pictures it looks like it has an early naturally aspired 911 motor. My question is where is the serial number on the motor? We are curious as to how old the motor is and determine what the displacement could be. The motor does turn and there is no outward signs of rust including the Hell Hole.

Tomorrow I will accompany him to inspect further and take some more pictures. I would like to find the engine number at that time.

Dave

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Posted by: Shadowfax Feb 6 2017, 08:33 AM

Awesome find! If your buddy wants to triple his money let me know and I'll take it off his hands lol-2.gif
I think most 911 engine numbers are near the fan shroud. An expert will chime in soon I bet.

Posted by: db9146 Feb 6 2017, 09:27 AM

You can find the engine # on a 911 engine to the right of the fan on an "upright" support near where the fan shroud meets the right cam chain housing (facing the fan).

Posted by: dcheek Feb 6 2017, 09:31 AM

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You can find the engine # on a 911 engine to the right of the fan on an "upright" support near where the fan shroud meets the right cam chain housing (facing the fan).


Will I have to remove the right air cleaner?

Posted by: tomeric914 Feb 6 2017, 09:51 AM

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Will I have to remove the right air cleaner?

Nope. Stick your camera in there and take some pics. You'll find it.

Posted by: dcheek Feb 6 2017, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(dcheek @ Feb 6 2017, 10:31 AM) *

Will I have to remove the right air cleaner?

Nope. Stick your camera in there and take some pics. You'll find it.


Thanks. I will post more pictures tomorrow.

Dave

Posted by: struckn Feb 6 2017, 10:26 AM

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WOW!!!!! That has got to be the best deal ever from what is indicated so far. Hope so, probably can buff out the paint too?

Posted by: R_u_dd Feb 6 2017, 10:36 AM

What a dream to find a six, even an original four with a six. That setup in running form would cost about $30k to build. If you have to rebuild that engine it may still run you a pretty penny, but you've got a great starting point. That's a great find for the price!

Do us a favor and post updates on what you have to do to get it running.

Great story.

Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 6 2017, 12:39 PM

blink.gif Wow and I thought my boy scored a deal.

Doesn't matter if that car is a total POS, just in parts seen it's worth more than 4x what he paid for it.

The bad is he can forget about winning the lotto biggrin.gif

Posted by: RobW Feb 6 2017, 12:41 PM

You can use your iPhone to take a picture of it. Location is as noted on the drivers side next to the fan.

Posted by: Larmo63 Feb 6 2017, 12:56 PM

The type of motor is located facing up close behind the engine serial number. This may shed more light on what engine you have in the car.

The carbs alone are worth twice what he paid. I wonder if the flares are steel and if they were well done?

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Posted by: mepstein Feb 6 2017, 02:17 PM

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The type of motor is located facing up close behind the engine serial number. This may shed more light on what engine you have in the car.

The carbs alone are worth twice what he paid. I wonder if the flares are steel and if they were well done?

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Since it has warts, I'm betting glass. It just seems to work out that way most of the time.

Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 6 2017, 02:36 PM

The serial number is on the drivers side of the fan support, it is arranged vertically
facing the relay board.
The engine type number is near the serial number and is on the horizontal
surface, you'll need a mirror to see it.
The type number will tell you what it started life as.
This format.... 901/ ?? or 911/?? or 930/??

Posted by: malcolm2 Feb 6 2017, 02:53 PM

Google it.... "911 engine number location"

This is from Pelican. I guess it is gonna be tuff to see with all the leaves in there and with the engine turned around.

Post says RED arrow in the S#, yellow arrow is the type.

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I also found this info for figuring out what the # means in the same thread:

6202183

This decodes as:
6 = Engine designation, 6-cylinder unit.
2 = 911E (Type 911/01 if manual transmission, type 911/04 if Sportomatic.)
0 = Model year 1970 (basically same as ’71).
2183 = Sequential number (Sportomatic would be 8xxx).

Posted by: timothy_nd28 Feb 6 2017, 03:32 PM

What does the green arrow mean? confused24.gif

Posted by: malcolm2 Feb 6 2017, 03:39 PM

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What does the green arrow mean? confused24.gif


I closed the page... but I think it was some kind of resistor.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 6 2017, 04:29 PM

That is awesome.. Very cool

Posted by: PanelBilly Feb 6 2017, 04:54 PM

Right place/ right time!

Posted by: My 914 Feb 6 2017, 05:02 PM

It just goes to show you that there are still a few of those cars sitting out there!

Posted by: dcheek Feb 6 2017, 06:43 PM

I'm bringing the following to inspect the car:

- kneeling pad
- flashlight
- strong magnet
- camera
- jack

Anything else you can think of?

Dave

Posted by: pete000 Feb 6 2017, 09:21 PM

Fiberglass fenders?

Posted by: Dave_Darling Feb 6 2017, 11:11 PM

Bring a screwdriver, or other poking implement. Use it to test metal to see if it's thin enough to not have any strength.

--DD

Posted by: porschetub Feb 7 2017, 12:11 AM

Certainly sets a new bench mark in the "bargain buy of the year'',I'am betting its a 2.7 if its an older conversion,these motors sold for peanuts years ago because they were the one to avoid.
I remember when I bought my 911 motor 18yrs ago,it was sitting complete on a wooden pallet in my friends VW shop,I said what are you doing with that and he replied" its for sale make an offer" I offered $1000 for it and settled on $1500,@ the time we had young kids and not a heap of spare cash,borrowed the money off the inlaws and the rest is history...ended up with a great running engine.
Can't wait to see updates on this thread,good luck to the new owner.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Feb 7 2017, 01:15 AM

Even if things like hell hole and longs need work, it was a score.

Even if it needs paint, and other visual things, it was a score.

Even if the mechanicals need to be gone through, it was a score.

In other words, it was a SCORE!!!

Car even has "the look," which isn't always easily achieved. Very cool find...

Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 7 2017, 12:51 PM

QUOTE(dcheek @ Feb 6 2017, 07:43 PM) *

I'm bringing the following to inspect the car:

- kneeling pad
- flashlight
- strong magnet
- camera
- jack

Anything else you can think of?

Dave


ME ! smile.gif

Posted by: Luke M Feb 7 2017, 01:30 PM

Nice score... looks like a MFI engine see the pic. Looks like the heads are plugged up where the injectors would be located. 2.0 to 2.4 are MFI so case & model # would be a great help to id it.

Oh and take Rory with you he knows what to look for.. beerchug.gif


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Posted by: dcheek Feb 7 2017, 03:21 PM

Update

We have to wait until Saturday February 11th to meet with the person who is in charge of the sale.

I will post pictures and more information Sunday.

Dave

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 7 2017, 06:14 PM

exhaust is JPs old exhaust ???


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Posted by: whitetwinturbo Feb 7 2017, 09:42 PM

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Posted by: SKL1 Feb 7 2017, 09:50 PM

Wait- it has leaves, etc in the engine compartment- better not risk it...

Posted by: dcheek Feb 14 2017, 02:53 PM

Picked up the car today (finally).
It has fiberglass fenders, Sparco seats with shoulder harnesses and Weber carbs. Underneath is very clean with suspension work, oil cooler etc.

Since the owner has passed away and he has no relatives, information as to what was done on the car unknown. From what his girlfriend said he spent 60K for the conversion from a guy in Washington state. It does look like a profession conversion. We are trying to get his name to ask all the necessary questions.

Supposedly, its been sitting outside for a year but it looks like more than that to me. My friend, the new owner, is going to clean it up just to get a good look at what needs to be done. This is his first Porsche, and needless to say he is VERY excited.

The engine number is 46122821. I thought all 6 cylinder engines started with 6, not 4 ??? Can someone decipher the number to get an idea what year and displacement the motor is?

Here is a picture on the trailer ready to be hauled to its new home.
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Posted by: billh1963 Feb 14 2017, 03:07 PM

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The engine number is 46122821. I thought all 6 cylinder engines started with 6, not 4 ??? Can someone decipher the number to get an idea what year and displacement the motor is?




I believe some of the late '60's engines started with a 4? I'll have to check my red book when get home.

Posted by: defianty Feb 14 2017, 03:51 PM

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The engine number is 46122821. I thought all 6 cylinder engines started with 6, not 4 ??? Can someone decipher the number to get an idea what year and displaceme


Great find.

Are you sure that's a 4 at the front and not a star? 6 cylinder engine numbers are seven digits not eight. Ignoring the 4 at the front would make the engine a '72 2.4T which would of had MFI originally as someone mentioned.

Posted by: dcheek Feb 15 2017, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(dcheek @ Feb 14 2017, 08:53 PM) *

The engine number is 46122821. I thought all 6 cylinder engines started with 6, not 4 ??? Can someone decipher the number to get an idea what year and displaceme


Great find.

Are you sure that's a 4 at the front and not a star? 6 cylinder engine numbers are seven digits not eight. Ignoring the 4 at the front would make the engine a '72 2.4T which would of had MFI originally as someone mentioned.


It's definitely a 4. Maybe Hans was hungover on Monday when he stamped it!

Dave

Posted by: Mike Fitton Feb 15 2017, 07:49 AM

Post a picture of the engine number it does not start with a 4, like above post must be a bad stamp of a star, is there a star at the end of the number?

Posted by: defianty Feb 15 2017, 08:14 AM

There should be an engine type number stamped too in fairly close proximity to the engine number. They're in this format 9XX/XX, that will help identify the engine. My guess is it's 911/51.

Posted by: mountainroads Feb 15 2017, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(dcheek @ Feb 14 2017, 08:53 PM) *

The engine number is 46122821. I thought all 6 cylinder engines started with 6, not 4 ??? Can someone decipher the number to get an idea what year and displaceme


Great find.

Are you sure that's a 4 at the front and not a star? 6 cylinder engine numbers are seven digits not eight. Ignoring the 4 at the front would make the engine a '72 2.4T which would of had MFI originally as someone mentioned.


2.4T is a good guess and would be a logical candidate for a -6 conversion, since they were the cheapest and most plentiful. Black engine shroud supports that. (Black = T, Green = E, Red = S). The shrouds are somewhat swappable and paintable, so that's no absolute guarantee. Plus having the afore-mentioned MFI, as previously noted.

- MR

Posted by: flyer86d Feb 15 2017, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(defianty @ Feb 14 2017, 01:51 PM) *

QUOTE(dcheek @ Feb 14 2017, 08:53 PM) *

The engine number is 46122821. I thought all 6 cylinder engines started with 6, not 4 ??? Can someone decipher the number to get an idea what year and displaceme


Great find.

Are you sure that's a 4 at the front and not a star? 6 cylinder engine numbers are seven digits not eight. Ignoring the 4 at the front would make the engine a '72 2.4T which would of had MFI originally as someone mentioned.


2.4T is a good guess and would be a logical candidate for a -6 conversion, since they were the cheapest and most plentiful. Black engine shroud supports that. (Black = T, Green = E, Red = S). The shrouds are somewhat swappable and paintable, so that's no absolute guarantee. Plus having the afore-mentioned MFI, as previously noted.

- MR

2.4 T MFI shrouds are yellow.

Charlie

Posted by: mountainroads Feb 15 2017, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(mountainroads @ Feb 15 2017, 11:12 AM) *

QUOTE(defianty @ Feb 14 2017, 01:51 PM) *

QUOTE(dcheek @ Feb 14 2017, 08:53 PM) *

The engine number is 46122821. I thought all 6 cylinder engines started with 6, not 4 ??? Can someone decipher the number to get an idea what year and displaceme


Great find.

Are you sure that's a 4 at the front and not a star? 6 cylinder engine numbers are seven digits not eight. Ignoring the 4 at the front would make the engine a '72 2.4T which would of had MFI originally as someone mentioned.


2.4T is a good guess and would be a logical candidate for a -6 conversion, since they were the cheapest and most plentiful. Black engine shroud supports that. (Black = T, Green = E, Red = S). The shrouds are somewhat swappable and paintable, so that's no absolute guarantee. Plus having the afore-mentioned MFI, as previously noted.

- MR

2.4 T MFI shrouds are yellow.

Charlie


Good point. I was thinking older T's. One additional detail that might explain. Snipped from another site:

"the '73 shroud has a removable section that allows access to an engine mounted oil cooler nut that '72 & earlier shrouds don't. Alan Caldwell, August 2000 PANO, described '69-'73 shroud colors thusly:
911T-black
911E-green
911S-red
The exceptions: MFI 911T was yellow, and the '73 1/2 911T with CIS went back to black..."

So, if the original injection was CIS instead of MFI, the black shroud would be the correct color, *IF* the moter is actually from a '73 instead of a '72. I'm no expert. Are the CIS injector mounting ports the same as the MFI?. Also, MFI engines had a camshaft extension, drive pulley and additional tin work to make room for the drive belt. Unless someone went to the effort of removing the camshaft snout and building a cover plate, the pulley and/or snout should still be there. Otherwise, it wasn't an MFI engine to begin with.
- MR

Posted by: Unobtanium-inc Feb 16 2017, 05:15 PM

Reminds me of one I looked at in CT several years ago, the leaves in the engine bay especially. This one was supposed to have been garaged, I guess there were trees in the garage, that dropped leaves...
I passed on the car, it was a converted 4. My PPI guy told me to run, don't walk.

$1000 is a super score!


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Posted by: JmuRiz Feb 16 2017, 06:46 PM

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exhaust is JPs old exhaust ???

Conversion done in Washington would lend itself to a triad exhaust like JP's

Great steal (score) biggrin.gif

Posted by: brant Feb 16 2017, 11:02 PM

I was once told the 1973.5 CIA heads were
Unique to that model. Used to have a set
Long ago

Posted by: porschetub Feb 17 2017, 12:41 AM

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I was once told the 1973.5 CIA heads were
Unique to that model. Used to have a set
Long ago


yes many run away from these motors due to the short production build and parts supply,on carbs they are a great motor if the original FI system has gone.

Posted by: JmuRiz Feb 17 2017, 08:13 AM

People with '73.5 CIS cars would love to have those heads! I have a local friend that has one and it's a cool oddball engine.

Wonder what cam they have in that engine....hopefully it has an SC-grind if it still has CIS pistons.

If it's a full carb build with new pistons you're golden.
Will be fun to check and see what it has.

Posted by: dcheek Feb 17 2017, 10:36 AM

Car going on the lift Sunday morning. We are supposed to have 60+ degree weather that day. More pictures to come, especially underneath.

Dave

P.S. Who is JP?

Posted by: rhodyguy Feb 17 2017, 12:04 PM

I wonder if that is Jon bovey's ex car.

Posted by: jd74914 Feb 17 2017, 12:34 PM

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I wonder if that is Jon bovey's ex car.


Think you're right...
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=95919&hl=

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Posted by: jd74914 Feb 17 2017, 12:39 PM

If it is, here is the FS ad for it Dave. It would also mean your buddy got an even better deal with the TB diff and other new parts...

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=104679&hl=

Posted by: JmuRiz Feb 17 2017, 01:34 PM

Woah...that makes the find 100x better
914world crowd comes through again with the investigation

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 17 2017, 02:09 PM

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I wonder if that is Jon bovey's ex car.
Think you're right...

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Great find indeed!
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Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 17 2017, 03:20 PM

the car has all 914-6 parts for the conversion , OG done back east then Jon bought it.
brought to Seattle, Mike Crandall bought the 2.0 914-6 engine that was in it,

yes it is a 2.4 but not by numbers

motor specs
2.4 S spec heads new guides valve job
2.2 E pistons
E cams
std crank
resized rods
oil bypass mod
Lightened flywheel
Balanced
new rings, bearings,rod bolts,chains,gaskets.

Jon miles on motor ? probably 3k on motor ?


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People with '73.5 CIS cars would love to have those heads! I have a local friend that has one and it's a cool oddball engine.

wow really I have a bunch of those heads and some nos pistons

Posted by: Dave_Darling Feb 17 2017, 03:26 PM

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P.S. Who is JP?


JP Stein, late member here. Started with a 73 2.0 autocrosser he called "the Shitbox". Converted it to a 2.7L Six. Hand-hammered the flares to fit bigger rubber, roll bar/partial cage, good brakes, all the stuff you would likely want for an autoXer. Development continued...

Another guy on here, Britain, co-drove it with him for a while, then bought the car. And put a Scooby Turbo engine in it, and grafted Lotus Elise suspension components onto it, with trick inboard rocker-arm bits and the whole nine yards. The car is fast--and Britain is faster.

JP was an old curmudgeon, and willing to help out any time he could. Miss the old guy...

--DD

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 17 2017, 03:35 PM

JP

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/489959-f-s-914-autocrosser.html

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 17 2017, 07:43 PM

unsure.gif blink.gif WTF.gif What happened to my car? barf.gif

Any chance your friend wants to sell it back to me? I miss this car so much. I had to sell it to save my house at the time but I have wanted to get it back ever since.

Jon

206.954.3006


Posted by: Unobtanium-inc Feb 17 2017, 09:08 PM

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unsure.gif blink.gif WTF.gif What happened to my car? barf.gif

Any chance your friend wants to sell it back to me? I miss this car so much. I had to sell it to save my house at the time but I have wanted to get it back ever since.

Jon

206.954.3006

Jon-
You can never go home again, that includes cars. There is nothing worse than a car that left you in great shape, and re-appears in horrible shape. Let it be heartbreaking from afar, up close might be too much to take. Trust me, I've had cars come back around, and to see the sins of others is hard.

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 17 2017, 09:28 PM

Yeah, but this car is different. It's like a kid to me.

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 17 2017, 09:35 PM

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Yeah, but this car is different. It's like a kid to me.

Well there's a blast from the past!
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Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 17 2017, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Feb 17 2017, 07:28 PM) *

Yeah, but this car is different. It's like a kid to me.

Well there's a blast from the past!
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PS: welcome.png

Hey Andy smile.gif Yeah, it has been a while. beerchug.gif

Posted by: messix Feb 17 2017, 10:05 PM

jon didnt you cut the rear body panel behind that valence?

that would be definitive id of your old car.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 18 2017, 06:52 AM

Here's the old ad for the car.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=104679&hl=


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Posted by: dcheek Feb 18 2017, 07:24 AM

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unsure.gif blink.gif WTF.gif What happened to my car? barf.gif

Any chance your friend wants to sell it back to me? I miss this car so much. I had to sell it to save my house at the time but I have wanted to get it back ever since.

Jon

206.954.3006


Jon,

After reviewing the pictures and description, this is definitely your car. Once again World comes through and solves another mystery. As Unobtainium has stated, I don't think you could stomach the return of your beloved 914. Time has taken it's toll. As mentioned earlier, this car has been left out for, what was purported to be a year. I'm positive its been way longer that that. And, to make it worse it was parked under a mass of trees, so leaves and debris have built up in all the crevices - much of it has turned to mud. There are also some rust spots along the top of the front fender that are perforated through. The paint is toast.

On the plus side, underneath and in the engine compartment look solid. Likewise with the rear trunk - solid as a rock, as it didn't leak. We can't open the front trunk. We will have to remove the bumper and manually release the latch. Like I said we plan on putting on my lift tomorrow to get a better look underneath and power wash the exterior to expose what needs to be done. I will post pictures of the progress.

I have convinced my friend to take the car on a trailer to a professional independent Porsche mechanic and racer. I've known this guy for 40 years and know his knowledge and ability. He will be hired to get the car running. From what I can tell the previous owner didn't use the car that much. He had many collector cars which were garaged. I guess the 914 had a low priority since it was relegated to the driveway. That being said I think that the motor is sound and can be restored to running condition without a teardown. You know, rebuild carbs, plugs, fluids, gas tank flush etc. should do the trick.
I just think this should be done be someone that has rebuilt many early 911 engines and can prevent a catastrophic event upon startup.

Unfortunately Jon, I don't think any amount of cajoling or money will pry the keys away from my friend. This is his first Porsche and he's on cloud nine.

Dave

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 18 2017, 10:01 AM

Well if he has any questions on it let him know I'm happy to help. I don't care the condition, I would like it back, but if not I would like to see it back to what it was.


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Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 19 2017, 10:41 AM

it had bubbles in the fenders cowl and at the taillights when Jon owned it...
your buddy should think of making a huge profit and buy a nice clean runner.. idea.gif stirthepot.gif popcorn[1].gif

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 19 2017, 10:54 AM

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it had bubbles in the fenders cowl and at the taillights when Jon owned it...
your buddy should think of making a huge profit and buy a nice clean runner.. idea.gif stirthepot.gif popcorn[1].gif

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I did over 95% of the work on her. Easy to whip her back into shape.


Posted by: pete000 Feb 19 2017, 11:31 AM

They should call this site "It's a small 914 World after all"

Posted by: rhodyguy Feb 19 2017, 11:41 AM

After the Washington build comment it was pretty easy to figure out it was jon's car. Only so many fiberglass flared, red 6 conversions with Sparco seats in or from Washington.

Posted by: dcheek Feb 19 2017, 02:52 PM

Spent all day today vacuuming and powerwashing. Got her on the lift. No rust anywhere except on the top driver's side fender. I will post pictures tomorrow.
Dave

Posted by: jmill Feb 19 2017, 03:02 PM

OMG! WTF! That was my all time favorite conversion. I even had pictures of it for my computer wallpaper.

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 19 2017, 04:36 PM

He sure he doesn't just want to make a quick profit? sad.gif

Posted by: dcheek Feb 19 2017, 08:05 PM

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He sure he doesn't just want to make a quick profit? sad.gif

It's a keeper, sorry but he's not flipping it. Trust me, he's got the money to do it justice.

Dave

Posted by: My 914 Feb 20 2017, 06:34 AM

Its pretty amazing and sad what neglect can do to a car. Looking at the picture of what it was in its prime, its hard to believe that someone would basically abandon it.

Posted by: dcheek Feb 20 2017, 06:49 AM

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Its pretty amazing and sad what neglect can do to a car. Looking at the picture of what it was in its prime, its hard to believe that someone would basically abandon it.

I think we rescued it in time. Another couple of years outside would have done it in.

Dave

Posted by: Front yard mechanic Feb 20 2017, 06:51 AM

Wish the po would offer to buy my rust bucket back

Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 20 2017, 07:41 AM

That front spoiler looks great. Where is it from ?

Posted by: greenie Feb 20 2017, 08:39 AM

QUOTE(My 914 @ Feb 20 2017, 04:34 AM) *

Its pretty amazing and sad what neglect can do to a car. Looking at the picture of what it was in its prime, its hard to believe that someone would basically abandon it.


These are my thoughts also, I will never understand how someone can spend the money on something and then do nothing but let it rot.

Painful for Jon no doubt to see what's become of his baby.

This photo was taken of Jon's car and mine in June 2008.
I hope the new owner gives her the attention she deserves.




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Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 20 2017, 01:22 PM

Rember it was an estate sale, the owner is dead rip

Posted by: championgt1 Feb 20 2017, 01:38 PM

Bummer to see the car in the current condition.

Jon, long time no see. Hope you and your family are well!

Posted by: billh1963 Feb 20 2017, 02:01 PM

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Rember it was an estate sale, the owner is dead rip


I was thinking the same thing. Who knows what issues the PO was facing before he passed away.

Wile it's a shame the car was allowed to sit, I can certainly sympathize that a material object is the last thing you are worried about when facing an illness.

Posted by: greenie Feb 20 2017, 02:05 PM

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Rember it was an estate sale, the owner is dead rip


That's a good point Jeff. RIP to the previous owner.

With an eye toward your future estate I would be willing to take the green six off your hands and offer a guarantee to keep her in pristine condition. driving.gif


Posted by: dcheek Feb 20 2017, 02:48 PM

The Cleanup.
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Front trunk no rust
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Broken headlights and tons of debris underneath
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Only rust on top of drivers side fender
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Doesn't look bad after a days worth of cleaning
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Bad gas pumped out
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On my lift to check for rust - none to be found!
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My '76 with the '74
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Posted by: pete000 Feb 20 2017, 03:20 PM

Nice to see it re enter the World !

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Posted by: Beeliner Feb 20 2017, 04:04 PM

Fabulous!!!! Great car!! beerchug.gif

Now check the dates on the tires before you hit the highway....

A blow out would not be pretty now.

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 20 2017, 04:21 PM

SHE'S SOOOOO PURTYY wub.gif

I love that after all these years my "SPECIALIZED" oil catch tube is still there. lol-2.gif



Posted by: dcheek Feb 20 2017, 04:38 PM

QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Feb 20 2017, 02:21 PM) *

SHE'S SOOOOO PURTYY wub.gif

I love that after all these years my "SPECIALIZED" oil catch tube is still there. lol-2.gif


We were a little surprised when we opened the lid and found that! I joked that you must have been teched at the track and forgot this item and hastily fashioned an oil catch.
Dave

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 20 2017, 05:03 PM

QUOTE(dcheek @ Feb 20 2017, 02:38 PM) *

QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Feb 20 2017, 02:21 PM) *

SHE'S SOOOOO PURTYY wub.gif

I love that after all these years my "SPECIALIZED" oil catch tube is still there. lol-2.gif


We were a little surprised when we opened the lid and found that! I joked that you must have been teched at the track and forgot this item and hastily fashioned an oil catch.
Dave



Something like that biggrin.gif

Posted by: rhodyguy Feb 20 2017, 08:08 PM

It cleaned up nicely. A well done conversion with some trick stuff for the cost of an oil tank. Your friend did well, VERY well.

Posted by: Rand Feb 20 2017, 08:37 PM

It's heartbreaking that Jon had to let it go, and that it sat neglected, then picked up so cheap. But holy wow, what a save. Really happy to see it in the hands of someone who will give it better care. She deserves to shine again. To the new owner: You scored beyond belief and we hope you treat her well.

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 22 2017, 01:15 PM

Speedware was a speed shop in Bellevue WA ,, so it's kinda a sign of the times, and all that is needed..not sure what you expected ??


Congrats on a great 914-6,, lots of pnw memories ...

Posted by: dcheek Feb 24 2017, 01:13 PM

Trailered to the mechanic today. They will start next week to get it running.
Dave


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Posted by: rhodyguy Feb 24 2017, 02:51 PM

unless the car has been seriously dinked with, other than fresh fluids there may not be much more to do. the car was well sorted, VERY!, prior to leaving washington. it will be pretty loud. sending a pm.

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 24 2017, 05:02 PM

Too loud? rolleyes.gif piratenanner.gif w00t.gif

This engine will go to 7500 RPM without issue and it sounds purty aktion035.gif

Posted by: dcheek Feb 24 2017, 08:16 PM

Can't wait to get her going again to hear that 6 cylinder roar again.
Dave

Posted by: plays with cars Feb 24 2017, 09:49 PM

QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Feb 24 2017, 03:02 PM) *

This engine will go to 7500 RPM without issue and it sounds purty aktion035.gif


With E cams? Was it still making power up there? I can't wait to get mine running right and try, but wasn't thinking that it would be making power much past 6,800.

Calling, Mr C... Does yours buzz up that tight?

To the OP, you got yourself a heck of a car there. And especially for only $1k.

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 25 2017, 12:11 PM

QUOTE(plays with cars @ Feb 24 2017, 08:49 PM) *

QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Feb 24 2017, 03:02 PM) *

This engine will go to 7500 RPM without issue and it sounds purty aktion035.gif


With E cams? Was it still making power up there? I can't wait to get mine running right and try, but wasn't thinking that it wouldn't be making power much past 6,800.

Calling, Mr C... Does yours buzz up that tight?

To the OP, you got yourself a heck of a car there. And especially for only $1k.


sometime you don't need power, just a few more RPMs before the brakes are applied biggrin.gif

Posted by: plays with cars Feb 25 2017, 11:44 PM

QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Feb 25 2017, 10:11 AM) *

QUOTE(plays with cars @ Feb 24 2017, 08:49 PM) *

QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Feb 24 2017, 03:02 PM) *

This engine will go to 7500 RPM without issue and it sounds purty aktion035.gif


With E cams? Was it still making power up there? I can't wait to get mine running right and try, but wasn't thinking that it wouldn't be making power much past 6,800.

Calling, Mr C... Does yours buzz up that tight?

To the OP, you got yourself a heck of a car there. And especially for only $1k.


sometime you don't need power, just a few more RPMs before the brakes are applied biggrin.gif

If I can get this darn MFI beat into submission I'll find out where the motor likes to run at the first autocross next month.

When I started this project years ago it was being built to compete with Jon in the original poster's new 914. Can't wait to hear the rest of the story as this car gets put back on the road.

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 28 2017, 07:47 PM

Mark, by the time you get your mfi figured out they may have the Phoenix all sorted out and ready to roll poke.gif

Posted by: dcheek Mar 1 2017, 08:30 AM

Update.

Working on trying to free up the throttle shafts on the carbs. The are frozen in the idle position for so long. Depending on how that goes they shafts and bushings might have to be sent out to be redone.

Dave

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Mar 1 2017, 05:04 PM

Perhaps it is time to go to some nice new PMOs laugh.gif

Posted by: JmuRiz Mar 2 2017, 08:17 AM

Might as well seeing as the car was so cheap for what it is!
Or EFI biggrin.gif

Posted by: dcheek Mar 10 2017, 05:42 PM

Got a call from the mechanic today. Great news, carbs were cleaned, linkages lubed, installed a new set of points and it started right up. Of course this was with an external gasoline source, as the tank is coated with rust. Tomorrow we are trailering it back to the owner's garage to pull the tank and work on the brakes and other items to get it back on the road.

The mechanic was impressed with the build and way it ran. He said that there was really nothing to worry about other than sorting out the gas tank issue and, of course, the brakes, fluids and tires.

I will post more pictures as work progresses. At least mechanically the motor is sound, so on with the show!

Dave


Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 10 2017, 06:05 PM

Nice...this story keeps getting better.

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Mar 10 2017, 07:54 PM

QUOTE(dcheek @ Mar 10 2017, 03:42 PM) *

Got a call from the mechanic today. Great news, carbs were cleaned, linkages lubed, installed a new set of points and it started right up. Of course this was with an external gasoline source, as the tank is coated with rust. Tomorrow we are trailering it back to the owner's garage to pull the tank and work on the brakes and other items to get it back on the road.

The mechanic was impressed with the build and way it ran. He said that there was really nothing to worry about other than sorting out the gas tank issue and, of course, the brakes, fluids and tires.

I will post more pictures as work progresses. At least mechanically the motor is sound, so on with the show!

Dave



Love hearing this. Hopefully I will get to hear her sing soon. beerchug.gif Thanks for keeping us all posted.

Posted by: RobW Mar 11 2017, 10:00 AM

I some extra headlights. Stock or H4. Let me know if you want me to send one to you.

Posted by: dcheek Mar 13 2017, 07:56 AM

Pulled the gas tank and taking it to a specialist to boil out and coat the inside and paint the outside. No rust underneath tank.

Then it's on the changing all the fluids and get it on the road.

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Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Mar 13 2017, 11:59 AM

Amazing how dirty it is. That thing was spotless when it left here. 7 years of negelct dry.gif

Thanks for bringing her back to life beerchug.gif Hopefully I can post a picture of my next Pcar soon.

Posted by: dcheek Mar 15 2017, 06:20 AM

QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Mar 13 2017, 09:59 AM) *

Amazing how dirty it is. That thing was spotless when it left here. 7 years of negelct dry.gif

Thanks for bringing her back to life beerchug.gif Hopefully I can post a picture of my next Pcar soon.


This is what happens when you have and make a ton of money, but don't have time to enjoy it. The PO probably paid a lot of money for this car, and rightfully so, and had no time to use or take care of it. Couple that with the fact it was the only one of his car collection that he had to leave outside for lack of space. I don't want to tell you what he had garaged - it would make you sick! At least we got to this one soon enough that, with a little TLC, will once again be worthy of the Porsche 914 heritage.

Dave

Posted by: dcheek Mar 17 2017, 09:32 AM

New tires purchased this week.

In need of the following items to proceed with resurrection for a 1974 914:

-Complete stock black interior including door panels.
-Windshield
-Rear Spoiler - The short one that bolts to the lid
-Stock seat belts with retractors.

Let me know what you got and how much. Maybe we can do the deal(s) at Hershey coming up on April 22nd.

Dave

Posted by: maf914 Mar 17 2017, 03:22 PM

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That front spoiler looks great. Where is it from ?


It looks like this one. It has been around for a long time.

http://www.automotion.com/competition-air-dam-for-914-porsche-1970-1976.html




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Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Mar 17 2017, 03:54 PM

QUOTE(maf914 @ Mar 17 2017, 02:22 PM) *

QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ Feb 20 2017, 05:41 AM) *

That front spoiler looks great. Where is it from ?


It looks like this one. It has been around for a long time.

http://www.automotion.com/competition-air-dam-for-914-porsche-1970-1976.html


Nope, it's different.

That one was made by one of the 914world members. he is in the vendors section if he still makes them. They are designed specifically for flared cars.

Posted by: dcheek Mar 28 2017, 09:02 AM

Gas tank stripped, boiled out and coated on the inside professionally. Outside painted and ready to install today. Cleaned out gas tank area. Moved fuel pump to allow room for spare tire.
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Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Mar 28 2017, 11:45 AM

PURTY drooley.gif

Posted by: dcheek Mar 28 2017, 12:50 PM

Tank installed with new fuel lines.
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Posted by: GRM1964 Mar 28 2017, 02:06 PM

Quite a story, glad it was saved

Posted by: 914time Mar 28 2017, 03:09 PM

Love this story!

Keep the updates coming-

Posted by: 6freak Mar 28 2017, 03:30 PM

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Feb 17 2017, 11:04 AM) *

I wonder if that is Jon bovey's ex car.

no smile.gif shoulda keep reading.....I would have said no all day bummer its in that shape and bummer Jon cant get tit back

that silver car in the picture is my dads six a long time ago

Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 29 2017, 11:26 AM

Mike, Does your dad still drive his car?

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Mar 29 2017, 11:53 AM

QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 28 2017, 02:30 PM) *

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Feb 17 2017, 11:04 AM) *

I wonder if that is Jon bovey's ex car.

no smile.gif shoulda keep reading.....I would have said no all day bummer its in that shape and bummer Jon cant get tit back

that silver car in the picture is my dads six a long time ago



Yes, bummer, but it resurfacing did help me to purchase anther P-car I've always wanted.


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Posted by: 914werke Mar 29 2017, 11:56 AM

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Yes, bummer, but it resurfacing did help me to purchase anther P-car I've always wanted.


Jon you then need to update you Sig & post up a pic or two smile.gif

Posted by: bigkensteele Mar 29 2017, 04:40 PM

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Are you not going to run a blower for ventilation?

Posted by: dcheek Mar 30 2017, 06:48 AM

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Are you not going to run a blower for ventilation?

Vent will be capped. No blower. There's no heat anyway because of the headers. Hey, there's plenty of ventilation with the top off!

Dave

Posted by: 6freak Mar 30 2017, 07:20 AM

QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Mar 29 2017, 10:53 AM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 28 2017, 02:30 PM) *

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Feb 17 2017, 11:04 AM) *

I wonder if that is Jon bovey's ex car.

no smile.gif shoulda keep reading.....I would have said no all day bummer its in that shape and bummer Jon cant get tit back

that silver car in the picture is my dads six a long time ago



Yes, bummer, but it resurfacing did help me to purchase anther P-car I've always wanted.


its probably been 4 years sad.gif since its been on the road Kevin, it needs some help $$!
Hi Jon .. I've always like Marks car ,it go's good to ..good to hear from you
smile.gif congrats to the OP ,what a steal....maybe take the old widow flowers and buy her dinner chowtime.gif

Jeff I think mines limits around 7200rpm IIRC

Posted by: dcheek Mar 30 2017, 04:08 PM

Car is going to Hershey on April 22nd, weather permitting. It will probably be trailered since there are many more mechanical items to be sorted out in time. Besides we are looking for many items at the swap to proceed with the resurrection and need the tow vehicle pickup to carry everything back.

So Jon, if you plan on going to Hershey, chances are your car will be there. We will be taking pictures of the event and posting.

Dave

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Mar 30 2017, 05:26 PM

QUOTE(dcheek @ Mar 30 2017, 03:08 PM) *

Car is going to Hershey on April 22nd, weather permitting. It will probably be trailered since there are many more mechanical items to be sorted out in time. Besides we are looking for many items at the swap to proceed with the resurrection and need the tow vehicle pickup to carry everything back.

So Jon, if you plan on going to Hershey, chances are your car will be there. We will be taking pictures of the event and posting.

Dave



Looking forward t seeing the pictures. Being in Seattle, Hershey is a little ways away.

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Apr 12 2017, 02:39 PM

Any updates? laugh.gif

Posted by: mepstein Apr 12 2017, 03:22 PM

QUOTE(dcheek @ Mar 30 2017, 06:08 PM) *

Car is going to Hershey on April 22nd, weather permitting. It will probably be trailered since there are many more mechanical items to be sorted out in time. Besides we are looking for many items at the swap to proceed with the resurrection and need the tow vehicle pickup to carry everything back.

So Jon, if you plan on going to Hershey, chances are your car will be there. We will be taking pictures of the event and posting.

Dave

Why tow a car to hershey unless you want to sell?

Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 12 2017, 07:07 PM

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Posted by: billh1963 Apr 13 2017, 07:02 AM

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Why tow a car to hershey unless you want to sell?


Maybe he's hoping someone will just have to have it! dancinnanner.gif

Posted by: My 914 Apr 13 2017, 07:09 AM

I have not been there but is it the type of venue where a random person would come up and offer to buy your car?

Posted by: WolfR32 Apr 13 2017, 10:14 PM

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I don't want to tell you what he had garaged - it would make you sick!


I want to know what was in the garage! evilgrin.gif I wonder what type of stuff this guy liked?

Posted by: plays with cars Apr 14 2017, 11:08 AM

QUOTE(WolfR32 @ Apr 13 2017, 09:14 PM) *

QUOTE(dcheek @ Mar 15 2017, 03:20 AM) *
I don't want to tell you what he had garaged - it would make you sick!


I want to know what was in the garage! evilgrin.gif I wonder what type of stuff this guy liked?

Yes, please share. Always fun to hear what people are passionate about.

Posted by: billh1963 Apr 24 2017, 07:54 AM

So...did this flip at Hershey?

Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 24 2017, 09:37 AM

I sure hope now, since Jon Bovey wanted a chance to buy it back...

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Apr 24 2017, 06:37 PM

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Apr 24 2017, 06:54 AM) *

So...did this flip at Hershey?


I hope not. I want it back someday. Hopefully this guy fixes it up nicely and the day he sells it he calls me.

Posted by: plays with cars Apr 24 2017, 09:23 PM

Orange and Green cars would look good next to each other in the garage.

Good thing because it would probably be your new bedroom decor when the wife kicked you out of the house for buying another Porsche. slap.gif

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Apr 24 2017, 11:47 PM

I seriously hope that, if this 914 is to be sold, Jon would be given first right to buy the car back at fair market value. Sure, it may not be the new owner's responsibility to do so, but it sure seems like the right thing to do among car enthusiasts...

Posted by: dcheek Apr 25 2017, 06:34 AM

Wow, I don't post for a while and the conjecture talk is at full throttle!

Mepstein
RmuRiz
billh1963
My914
horizontally-opposed

The car is NOT for sale. The car was NOT purchase to flip. If is ever was put on the block Jon would have the first right of refusal. This has all been explained earlier and is not going to change.

It was my suggestion to have "Popeye" my friend bring the car to Hershey to see if what he purchased parts wise would fit his needs and the car. Trailering assured that it would make it, as there are still some issues that need to be addressed before taking a 2 hour drive. Of course the weather did not cooperate. Anyway, Popeye bought about $600 worth of parts including a rear valance which he intends to modify to fit around the custom exhaust.

Other items on the list to address are new tires, repack all the wheel bearings and some wiring issues. Once these are done then some serious road testing will determine if more mechanical issues need to be addressed.

I have a video of the car on the road for the first time in God knows how long. I could not upload the file. I've done tons of pictures on World but, it wouldn't take the video file. Any suggestions on how to post?

Dave

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Apr 25 2017, 10:55 AM

QUOTE(dcheek @ Apr 25 2017, 05:34 AM) *

Wow, I don't post for a while and the conjecture talk is at full throttle!

Mepstein
RmuRiz
billh1963
My914
horizontally-opposed

The car is NOT for sale. The car was NOT purchase to flip. If is ever was put on the block Jon would have the first right of refusal. This has all been explained earlier and is not going to change.

It was my suggestion to have "Popeye" my friend bring the car to Hershey to see if what he purchased parts wise would fit his needs and the car. Trailering assured that it would make it, as there are still some issues that need to be addressed before taking a 2 hour drive. Of course the weather did not cooperate. Anyway, Popeye bought about $600 worth of parts including a rear valance which he intends to modify to fit around the custom exhaust.

Other items on the list to address are new tires, repack all the wheel bearings and some wiring issues. Once these are done then some serious road testing will determine if more mechanical issues need to be addressed.

I have a video of the car on the road for the first time in God knows how long. I could not upload the file. I've done tons of pictures on World but, it wouldn't take the video file. Any suggestions on how to post?

Dave


Did it sound as good as he hoped?

Posted by: Rand Apr 25 2017, 11:10 AM

QUOTE
I've done tons of pictures on World but, it wouldn't take the video file. Any suggestions on how to post?


Upload it to Youtube and post a link here.

Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 25 2017, 11:15 AM

Hooray, he's back!

We heard going to Hershey and thought the worst..since most of us buy parts and bring them back...only to learn they don't work/fit biggrin.gif Never thought about trailering to check at the actual parts event.

Good work, and good luck on finishing it up!

Posted by: dcheek Apr 25 2017, 12:39 PM

I'm not sure how to post video in the document so, here is the link showing the 914 back on the road. There is still much work to be done but, the motor and trans are okay.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dcheek/shares/6x6o74

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Apr 25 2017, 01:07 PM

If you are curious what is in the box you have a Guard TB diff with M S 3rd AND 4th. Rather spendy box.

Posted by: dcheek Apr 25 2017, 01:59 PM

QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Apr 25 2017, 11:07 AM) *

If you are curious what is in the box you have a Guard TB diff with M S 3rd AND 4th. Rather spendy box.


Thanks for the info. Just another piece to the puzzle. Truly a stellar build.

Dave

Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 25 2017, 02:20 PM

Classic vid...forgetting to take the e-brake off biggrin.gif We've all been there.

And once it's off....vroooom!

Posted by: dcheek May 15 2017, 06:03 AM

We are trying to come up with a value for an agreed value insurance policy. I'm pretty good with values for stock 914's but not versed in modified cars. Any thoughts on what we should insure it for? I was guessing $20-$25 K ????

Dave

Posted by: My 914 May 15 2017, 06:08 AM

You have to decide how much you would want to collect if the far was totaled. I would say at least 25k.

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 May 15 2017, 03:58 PM

QUOTE(My 914 @ May 15 2017, 05:08 AM) *

You have to decide how much you would want to collect if the far was totaled. I would say at least 25k.

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Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Jun 21 2017, 08:50 AM

Any updates? smile.gif

Posted by: jcambo7 Jun 21 2017, 10:41 AM

Man, I still remember my first ride in this one, which was my first ride in a 914 also. After that I fell in love with 914's and knew I had to have one. Such an amazing car. Glad it's getting the attention it deserves.

Posted by: dcheek Sep 7 2017, 05:52 AM

Its been a long time since I posted an update.

There has been a minor setback. Something got sucked into cylinder #5, causing the plug electrode to bend, Also the rings and piston and valves were damaged causing zero compression. The engine has been removed and semi dismantled to assess the damage. New parts have been ordered and are on the way. While it's being repaired the engine tin and fan shroud will be repainted.

I will post pictures soon.

Dave

Posted by: Krieger Sep 7 2017, 07:47 AM

Crap! I think we all hate to hear this.

Posted by: My 914 Sep 7 2017, 10:16 AM

Hate to hear news like that. Any idea of how it happened with all the work being done?

Posted by: dcheek Sep 20 2017, 06:03 AM

Here is a picture of the spark plug. Obviously something got sucked in there and damaged the tip. While every effort was made for this not to happen, unfortunately it did. There was 5 years of tree droppings deposited on the car. It's amazing this is the only cylinder that was damaged.
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Posted by: JmuRiz Sep 20 2017, 08:45 AM

Kablamo thanks to an acorn or something. Should be a simple fix (fingers crossed) or you can just dump that lemon and sell it to me cheap biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rand Sep 20 2017, 10:32 AM

"Something got sucked in?" No air filters? WTH? How does this happen? What do you mean by "every effort was made for this not to happen?"

Sorry if my tone is harsh, but dang. This poor beautiful car has been so poorly treated it's heartbreaking.

Posted by: rhodyguy Sep 20 2017, 11:12 AM

A velocity stack nut or washer bomb. Given the price, there's plenty of room for fixes.

Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 20 2017, 12:29 PM

Remember he had a shop clean the carbs

Posted by: rhodyguy Sep 20 2017, 12:53 PM

What are the odds the piston isn't ruined? Or the cyl? Or the head?

Posted by: JmuRiz Sep 20 2017, 02:01 PM

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Sep 20 2017, 09:12 AM) *

A velocity stack nut or washer bomb. Given the price, there's plenty of room for fixes.

QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Sep 20 2017, 10:29 AM) *

Remember he had a shop clean the carbs

Yikes, that's more likely. Shame when someone 'fixes' something and does more harm.

I remember when we finally sold our '77 Malibu Classic Wagon after owning it for 30 years to a kid. He had a shop "give it a tune up" and it burned up w/in a week.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 20 2017, 02:09 PM

I have dropped my fair share of washers etc over the years down intakes.. Somewhere someone didn't do a count when it was time to put back together.. It happens just unfortunate..

Posted by: Rand Sep 20 2017, 02:28 PM

Ouch. If that's what happened, doesn't the shop have some liability?

Posted by: dcheek Sep 21 2017, 05:30 AM

Don't shoot the messenger.
I'm just telling the story.
As far as who is at fault? The PO, the current owner, the mechanic? Who knows. Who cares? Damage done - time to move on. Lesson learned - you can never be too careful.
Dave

Engine out
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Posted by: JmuRiz Sep 21 2017, 07:51 AM

Yep, $h1t happens.
Stuff backs out all the time, my brother had some nuts back out and juuuuust miss going into the valvetrain on his 930. I had a carb bolt backout and luckily not get sucked into my 356 intake. For every one that gets down there there are probably 5 that just miss.

Hopefully it's not too bad and only needs a new plug, valve (or two) and maybe a piston.

Posted by: dcheek Sep 29 2017, 03:52 PM

Damage to the piston.
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Posted by: DM_2000 Sep 29 2017, 04:05 PM

With even coverage like that, this engine was run for a very long time. Like thousands of miles.


Posted by: raynekat Sep 29 2017, 04:12 PM

QUOTE(DM_2000 @ Sep 29 2017, 03:05 PM) *

With even coverage like that, this engine was run for a very long time. Like thousands of miles.


I'd agree, this has happened over a long period of time.




Posted by: SirAndy Sep 29 2017, 04:24 PM

QUOTE(dcheek @ Sep 29 2017, 02:52 PM) *
Damage to the piston.

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Posted by: mb911 Sep 29 2017, 04:47 PM

Whoa not good..

Posted by: porschetub Sep 29 2017, 08:31 PM

Funny that it went this long,OP must have changed the plug and not worried about it,surely someone would have noticed it running on 5 cylinders...they don't run real nice ,ask me how I know after leaving a lead off one spark plug sad.gif .
Time to find another piston if the bore isn't stromberg.gif .

Posted by: jd74914 Sep 30 2017, 12:55 AM

Did you find a piece of something in there? That looks like extreme detonation damage.

Posted by: DM_2000 Sep 30 2017, 07:39 AM

Detonation damage would burn away the edge of the piston / ground strap of the spark plug.

I once repaired a Buick V6 that burned only one piston. Two spark plug wires that were next to each other in the firing order were arcing to each other. I forget what cylinder but with a 1 6 5 4 3 2 firing order, when 6 arcs to 5 , the ignition timing to 5 is way early.

Were all the spark plugs same brand / number? The previous owner may have been feeding it plugs. A different brand would reinforce this.

I've repaired countless engines over many brands, this damage didn't just happen yesterday.

Posted by: dcheek Oct 2 2017, 07:11 AM

Nothing was found in the cylinder.
All plugs were the same brand.
Replacing the one cylinder, piston and valves on #5.
All other pistons and cylinders okay.
Dave
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Posted by: DM_2000 Oct 2 2017, 05:44 PM

Whatever was in the cylinder escaped shortly before tear down or fell out during tear down. Detonation won't cause the ground strap to bend.

Posted by: porschetub Oct 2 2017, 05:58 PM

Finally got chewed up enough and passed out the exhaust,don't believe it is a recent thing,reason such a cool car got parked up,it must of sounded really horrible running surely.

Posted by: dcheek Dec 13 2017, 07:34 AM

While the motor is out, painted the engine compartment. I love the look of the fresh Phoenix Red single stage.
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Dave

Posted by: JmuRiz Dec 13 2017, 08:33 AM

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Posted by: iwanta914-6 Dec 13 2017, 11:07 AM

Can't believe I missed this story when it was originally posted. I just read through it all and am amazed.

Guessing the PO parked it under the tree because of it running on 5 cylinders and didn't wan't to put the effort into fixing it.

Regardless of this "problem", you could invest $10K into this car and would still be a steal of a deal. Extremely jealous of the new owner, a bit sad for the original owner who would love to buy it back, RIP to the previous owner, and very happy to see the car getting another chance at life.

Thanks for sharing this story!

Posted by: dcheek Dec 13 2017, 11:47 AM

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Can't believe I missed this story when it was originally posted. I just read through it all and am amazed.

Guessing the PO parked it under the tree because of it running on 5 cylinders and didn't wan't to put the effort into fixing it.

Regardless of this "problem", you could invest $10K into this car and would still be a steal of a deal. Extremely jealous of the new owner, a bit sad for the original owner who would love to buy it back, RIP to the previous owner, and very happy to see the car getting another chance at life.

Thanks for sharing this story!


Just to be clear, to those who just tuned in, I'm not the owner of this car. I'm posting the story for a friend I met through the local VW club. If you think this is a deal he recently purchased a 71 911 T from the original owner that was parked in the garage since the '90s. for high 4 figures. It needs paint but, it's all there and very little rust, engine turns and the interior just needs to be cleaned up.

So, you must be wondering how he is so lucky to find bargains like this? He's owns a landscaping company with accounts in several towns. Sometimes the homeowner has the garage door open, or the subject of cars comes up, and before you know it, there's an opportunity to purchase something. I know a mailman that has had luck scoring great items that would otherwise never see the light of day. It's the old "being at the right place at the right time."

Dave

Posted by: Justinp71 Dec 14 2017, 05:54 PM

I remember seeing the build threads on this car here. Cool car for sure, glad at least it made it back onto the board.

On a separate but related note, I'm always worried about dropping stuff in the oil tank filler. Anything that goes in there circulates thru the engine first before going into a screen... I know on the 3.6 they replace the oil cooler with a filter, but has anyone ever put a screen on the oil filler neck?

Posted by: dcheek Dec 19 2017, 07:19 AM

Well, this project has taken a complete 180º turn.
The original plan was to find out the history, which we did through this forum. Thanks all (especially the PO) for all the information regarding this build. Then the plan was to get it sorted mechanically and drive. You can toss that out the window. Since there was a major engine problem which required removal, the project has shifted to "as long as I'm in there I might as well........"

The following has been done while the motor and trans were out:
- Clean and paint engine tin
- Sort out wiring in engine compartment. Re-wrap harness
- Paint engine compartment
- Paint rear trunk

Future projects:
- Install new rubber where needed
- Install engine and trans
- Strip front and rear deck lids
- Fix rust on driver's side fender
- Prep entire body for paint
- Paint entire car.

There is nothing as satisfying as seeing fresh paint, especially Phoenix Red. By the way he is using single stage paint for this project.

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Posted by: mb911 Dec 19 2017, 08:02 AM

I still am considering that red for my car.. It is a very nice color..

Posted by: dcheek Dec 19 2017, 09:32 AM

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I still am considering that red for my car.. It is a very nice color..


Phoenix red is more orange than red.
Tangerine is more red than orange.

Both colors are awesome on a 914.

Dave

Posted by: dcheek Dec 23 2017, 01:11 PM

More progress this week:

#5 cylinder repair complete
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Carbs rebuilt and ready to install
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Dave

Posted by: dcheek Jan 7 2018, 11:55 AM

Engine back in today.

Getting ready to fire up.
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Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 7 2018, 01:01 PM

Looking swell. I think the owner is going to really enjoy the car once the power is back.

Posted by: dcheek Jan 10 2018, 06:45 AM

Now on to the bodywork.

Stripping the rear deck lid.
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Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Jan 18 2018, 04:39 PM

This is all coming along very nice. I am happy to see this car coming back to life like this. piratenanner.gif

Posted by: dcheek Jan 18 2018, 06:04 PM

Bodywork and prep for painting continues:
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Posted by: dcheek Jan 21 2018, 03:57 PM

Work continues on prep of body for paint:
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All the flair seams were cracked. Re-fiberglassed to reinforce before painting.
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Oops, found some more rot. Order replacement and will weld in.
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50 degrees today and sunny. Rolled it out to get a better look.
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Posted by: dcheek Jan 31 2018, 01:38 PM

Windshield out
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Posted by: Larmo63 Jan 31 2018, 07:54 PM

You should weld up the warts on the front of this car. They don't look right on a flared car AT ALL. barf.gif

Carry on.

Posted by: dcheek Feb 1 2018, 06:44 AM

Paint prep/bodywork continues:
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Posted by: jmitro Feb 1 2018, 07:00 AM

looks nice; I don't really like the front warts either but just my opinion

Posted by: dcheek Feb 1 2018, 08:11 AM

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looks nice; I don't really like the front warts either but just my opinion


Please indicate what you are referring to.

Dave

Posted by: Chris H. Feb 1 2018, 08:20 AM

The side markers are referred to as "warts".

Car is really coming along!

Posted by: dcheek Feb 1 2018, 08:26 AM

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The side markers are referred to as "warts".

Car is really coming along!


Hmmmm, I will approach the subject with my buddy. My gut feeling is that they will stay but, we will see.

Dave

Posted by: Rand Feb 1 2018, 02:32 PM

Lose the warts please! Nobody wants a wart on their face, hence the name for those lights around here. If you have to ask, your gut isn't trustworthy! Would you like some kimchi? A tasty probiotic. rolleyes.gif
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Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 2 2018, 07:09 PM

With all the work he's doing he should get rid of them. They are not on any of the original GT's and they do look off.

Posted by: dcheek Feb 2 2018, 07:37 PM

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With all the work he's doing he should get rid of them. They are not on any of the original GT's and they do look off.


Point well taken.

Dave

Posted by: Dave_Darling Feb 3 2018, 01:32 PM

I think they may have been retained on (some of?) the M471 street cars destined for the US, though. There's a photo of one in Brett Johnson's book, I believe. The light is moved forward and down, as the original location is now part of the flare.

--DD

Posted by: dcheek Feb 3 2018, 02:56 PM

Rollbar installed.



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Posted by: plays with cars Feb 3 2018, 07:56 PM

This car is definitely re-earning its nickname: The Phoenix. Keep up the good work and enjoy it when its done.

Posted by: Rand Feb 3 2018, 08:37 PM

I think of Rich's Creamsicle as the PNW Phoenix. But I remember the old name too. Just glad to see her getting some love again.

Posted by: dcheek Feb 4 2018, 07:13 AM

Refinished roof:
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Posted by: dcheek Feb 7 2018, 09:51 AM

At the request of World members, warts removed:
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Posted by: KELTY360 Feb 7 2018, 09:53 AM

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At the request of World members, warts removed:
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Posted by: dcheek Feb 8 2018, 05:08 PM

After applying the chip guard the satin black paint was shot on the roof.
I think the gloss is just about right. Don't you think?
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Proceeded to Satin Black paint the bumpers, grills etc.

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Posted by: marksteinhilber Feb 8 2018, 07:04 PM

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After applying the chip guard the satin black paint was shot on the roof.
I think the gloss is just about right. Don't you think?
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Looks great. I like the satin black. I've been using the VHT epoxy - chassis paint rattle cans in satin black. Used on bumpers, targa top, for sail panels, rockers, and front and rear lower valences, as well as the black chassis and suspension parts. It sprays really well when at normal room temperature.

Posted by: mrholland2 Feb 9 2018, 04:46 PM

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New tires purchased this week.

In need of the following items to proceed with resurrection for a 1974 914:

-Complete stock black interior including door panels.
-Windshield
-Rear Spoiler - The short one that bolts to the lid
-Stock seat belts with retractors.

Let me know what you got and how much. Maybe we can do the deal(s) at Hershey coming up on April 22nd.

Dave


Do stock with orange plaid inserts!!!!

Posted by: dcheek Feb 10 2018, 07:17 PM

Chucked the racing seats and went with these.

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Posted by: mepstein Feb 10 2018, 07:42 PM

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Chucked the racing seats and went with these.


They look great. What brand and model are they?

Posted by: dcheek Feb 11 2018, 07:52 AM

Primer sprayed and may the wet sanding begin.....

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Posted by: Philip W. Feb 11 2018, 08:58 AM

looking good! mine is about this same stage right now- finally sourced the chrome bumpers for front, should be coming from So Cal this week- i couldnt decide if i should do chrome or black- so i went with what i found first- will se how the chrome looks when i get it on- i like those black ones ans the top looks great too- i am wondering how the top looked before you re did it? did you sand down the original texture?

Posted by: dcheek Feb 12 2018, 06:46 AM

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looking good! mine is about this same stage right now- finally sourced the chrome bumpers for front, should be coming from So Cal this week- i couldnt decide if i should do chrome or black- so i went with what i found first- will se how the chrome looks when i get it on- i like those black ones ans the top looks great too- i am wondering how the top looked before you re did it? did you sand down the original texture?


The original had scratches and chips and an uneven color so it had to be redone.
Here is the procedure my buddy did:

Sanded it smooth
Applied sealer primer
Applied chip guard
Painted Satin Black
Clear coated.

Dave

Posted by: dcheek Feb 13 2018, 06:44 AM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Feb 10 2018, 05:42 PM) *

QUOTE(dcheek @ Feb 10 2018, 08:17 PM) *

Chucked the racing seats and went with these.


They look great. What brand and model are they?


Seats came from Classic Touring
Leatherette with houndstooth inserts
Made specifically for a 914.

Dave

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 15 2018, 04:54 PM

Looking so purty drooley.gif

Posted by: dcheek Feb 18 2018, 07:24 AM

In the "As long as I'm in there category" the decision was made to add a through the hood fuel filler.

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Dave

Posted by: jmitro Feb 18 2018, 10:00 AM

that is awesome!
where did you get it?

Posted by: thieuster Feb 18 2018, 11:37 AM

for safety: a few blocks to put under the wheels when the car's 'jacked'

Menno

Posted by: dcheek Feb 19 2018, 07:20 AM

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that is awesome!
where did you get it?


LeMans Cobra Porsche Outlaw gas cap from Ebay.

Dave

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