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Posted by: Pboden Feb 16 2017, 03:55 PM
Just recent bought a 914 with a replacement engine 1.8ltr included. It turns out that this engine also is a goner, so I need to find a new one or find an alternative.
There is a Golf gti 20v AGU engine that I may get to buy from a neighbor, but I do not know if I can make use of it in my 914.
Is there records that this one is useable. Generally, are the VW Golf engine convertible?
What is the most easy or best engine to start looking for?
Thanks
Posted by: Mueller Feb 16 2017, 03:59 PM
Just recent bought a 914 with a replacement engine 1.8ltr included. It turns out that this engine also is a goner, so I need to find a new one or find an alternative.
There is a Golf gti 20v AGU engine that I may get to buy from a neighbor, but I do not know if I can make use of it in my 914.
Is there records that this one is useable. Generally, are the VW Golf engine convertible?
What is the most easy or best engine to start looking for?
Thanks
You'll need an engine adapter and a radiator to make that Golf motor work.
Not sure if you realize neither motor is remotely related except for the VW part stamped onto it.
Posted by: Unobtanium-inc Feb 16 2017, 05:03 PM
The EASY crew in Emeryville has run a number of VW water cooled motors in their lemons 914. Jim loves to chat, might want to give him a call and ask about what they had to do to make it work, 510-653-3279
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Posted by: Dave_Darling Feb 16 2017, 05:07 PM
The best engine to start looking for varies a lot. Some people will say LS6, others will say Subaru, others will say air-cooled 911.
Realistically, the easiest engine to swap in is a 914 engine. That is what the car was built for. If you get a complete one, you can bolt it in and go--depending on how "complete" it really is.
--DD
Posted by: Mark Garriott Feb 16 2017, 05:52 PM
R 4360 with hydraulic lifters.
Posted by: mepstein Feb 16 2017, 05:54 PM
The best engine to start looking for varies a lot. Some people will say LS6, others will say Subaru, others will say air-cooled 911.
Realistically, the easiest engine to swap in is a 914 engine. That is what the car was built for. If you get a complete one, you can bolt it in and go--depending on how "complete" it really is.
--DD
an engine conversion can add thousands of dollars and years before you drive the car.
Posted by: Mueller Feb 16 2017, 07:18 PM
The EASY crew in Emeryville has run a number of VW water cooled motors in their lemons 914. Jim loves to chat, might want to give him a call and ask about what they had to do to make it work, 510-653-3279
He used an adapter plate. Article on roadkill.com if you search EASY and 914.
You will have to cut rear trunk due to height of motor.
Posted by: cali914 Feb 17 2017, 01:03 AM
Contact Kennedy engineering products KEP they have host of options and adapters to hook different engines in the 914
Posted by: Mikey914 Feb 17 2017, 01:06 AM
Real question is what are you trying to do ?
Do you want to do the modifications necessary to put another engine in because the engine is less expensive? Or, are you looking to up the power significantly?
If you are upping the power, you will want better suspension, and brakes. All of this adds up, so if you are focused on a specific goal and want to look at total costs and time, it is a longer route, but it will yield a unique ride that will be a journey that is not faint of heart. You can easily drop 15k.
If you want a car that runs and drives, look in the classifieds, you can often find motors in various configurations that you may find suitable.
If you have the space, tools and aptitude, you may want to rebuild it yourself.
Too many projects get stalled when the technical issues pop up and the cash runs out. Put together a budget for the project and plan accordingly. You will be in a better position to deal with surprises.
Best wishes 
Posted by: falcor75 Feb 17 2017, 01:47 AM
Real question is what are you trying to do ?
Do you want to do the modifications necessary to put another engine in because the engine is less expensive? Or, are you looking to up the power significantly?
If you are upping the power, you will want better suspension, and brakes. All of this adds up, so if you are focused on a specific goal and want to look at total costs and time, it is a longer route, but it will yield a unique ride that will be a journey that is not faint of heart. You can easily drop 15k.
If you want a car that runs and drives, look in the classifieds, you can often find motors in various configurations that you may find suitable.
If you have the space, tools and aptitude, you may want to rebuild it yourself.
Too many projects get stalled when the technical issues pop up and the cash runs out. Put together a budget for the project and plan accordingly. You will be in a better position to deal with surprises.
Best wishes
The old saying for building and modifying cars, make a realistic budget and time plan.
Then tripple your intitial cost and double the time.
Posted by: steuspeed Feb 17 2017, 01:50 AM
Re-build what you have or find another one the same year.
Posted by: mgp4591 Feb 17 2017, 02:23 AM
It may also depend on what you have readily available in Norway.... 
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 17 2017, 12:45 PM
The EASY crew in Emeryville has run a number of VW water cooled motors in their lemons 914. Jim loves to chat, might want to give him a call and ask about what they had to do to make it work, 510-653-3279
I had my hands all over that car numerous times. The only thing 914 left on it is parts of the rear firewall and maybe (?) the windshield.
Not exactly an ideal blueprint for converting a stock 914 ...
Posted by: Mike Bellis Feb 17 2017, 12:52 PM
The 1.8L 20V from the GTI is almost the same as the Passat. Main differences are the intake and cooling lines. If the motor comes from a manual tranny car, it will bolt right up to a Passat or Boxster tranny.
Do not buy an automatic motor or you will have to change the crank to a manual crank. Two motors are not interchangeable.
A 1.8 and Passat tranny are easy to put in a 914. Ask me how I know...
Posted by: Dave_Darling Feb 17 2017, 03:37 PM
The question then is "easy" for who? There are a lot of things that are easy for you that would be just about impossible for me... 
--DD
Posted by: 914forme Feb 17 2017, 04:16 PM
The old saying for building and modifying cars, make a realistic budget and time plan.
Then tripple your intitial cost and double the time.
I would say the budget side is correct. It is a 914 so once on jack stands they tend to stay there. So you need to Double your time line, than multiple that by 5 to 10.
Posted by: Andyrew Feb 17 2017, 04:38 PM
The 1.8L 20V from the GTI is almost the same as the Passat. Main differences are the intake and cooling lines. If the motor comes from a manual tranny car, it will bolt right up to a Passat or Boxster tranny.
Do not buy an automatic motor or you will have to change the crank to a manual crank. Two motors are not interchangeable.
A 1.8 and Passat tranny are easy to put in a 914. Ask me how I know...
Or you could shave off the crank and put a different pilot bearing on an automatic..
Remember, my engine was an auto.
Posted by: Mike Bellis Feb 17 2017, 04:47 PM
The question then is "easy" for who? There are a lot of things that are easy for you that would be just about impossible for me...
--DD
Ditto.
Posted by: Mike Bellis Feb 17 2017, 04:48 PM
The 1.8L 20V from the GTI is almost the same as the Passat. Main differences are the intake and cooling lines. If the motor comes from a manual tranny car, it will bolt right up to a Passat or Boxster tranny.
Do not buy an automatic motor or you will have to change the crank to a manual crank. Two motors are not interchangeable.
A 1.8 and Passat tranny are easy to put in a 914. Ask me how I know...
Or you could shave off the crank and put a different pilot bearing on an automatic..
Remember, my engine was an auto.
Agreed but that still means pulling the crank and a rebuild.
Posted by: Andyrew Feb 18 2017, 10:32 AM
The 1.8L 20V from the GTI is almost the same as the Passat. Main differences are the intake and cooling lines. If the motor comes from a manual tranny car, it will bolt right up to a Passat or Boxster tranny.
Do not buy an automatic motor or you will have to change the crank to a manual crank. Two motors are not interchangeable.
A 1.8 and Passat tranny are easy to put in a 914. Ask me how I know...
Or you could shave off the crank and put a different pilot bearing on an automatic..
Remember, my engine was an auto.
Agreed but that still means pulling the crank and a rebuild.
Nope, you can do it with the crank in place. I did mine with an angle grinder
Posted by: Mike Bellis Feb 18 2017, 10:51 AM
The 1.8L 20V from the GTI is almost the same as the Passat. Main differences are the intake and cooling lines. If the motor comes from a manual tranny car, it will bolt right up to a Passat or Boxster tranny.
Do not buy an automatic motor or you will have to change the crank to a manual crank. Two motors are not interchangeable.
A 1.8 and Passat tranny are easy to put in a 914. Ask me how I know...
Or you could shave off the crank and put a different pilot bearing on an automatic..
Remember, my engine was an auto.
Agreed but that still means pulling the crank and a rebuild.
Nope, you can do it with the crank in place. I did mine with an angle grinder
That takes balls... Most mortals would not attempt such a mod.
Posted by: struckn Feb 18 2017, 02:02 PM
I think I recall that the Starter will not work, on a stock 914 Transaxle on these engines so as noted you will need not only an engine but a transmission as well.
By the way..... 
Posted by: Mike Bellis Feb 18 2017, 09:36 PM
He's in Europe and front wheel drive VW and Audi transmission are cheap over there.
Posted by: Andyrew Feb 18 2017, 09:41 PM
He's in Europe and front wheel drive VW and Audi transmission are cheap over there.
Specifically Diesel transmissions which have a nice long gear ratio.
FWD and Manuals are much more prevalent over there in the Audi's than over here.
People will buy the higher model car, but the base engine/transmission as they are used to a stick shift and dont want to pay the insurance for the larger engine class.
Posted by: Mike Bellis Feb 18 2017, 11:07 PM
He can get a 01E 6 speed for cheap over there.
Posted by: Mueller Feb 19 2017, 11:09 AM
I noticed he hasn't been back yet, did we scare him away?
Is the car up for sale now?
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