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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ Very interesting take on the current low end air cooled market
Posted by: 914Next May 10 2017, 06:22 AM
See the attached PCA article.
https://www.pca.org/news/2017-05-04/whats-driving-entry-level-air-cooled-porsche-market
Posted by: jkb944t May 10 2017, 10:43 AM
See the attached PCA article.
https://www.pca.org/news/2017-05-04/whats-driving-entry-level-air-cooled-porsche-market
Posted by: Rav914 May 10 2017, 10:55 AM
Great. The air-cooled Porsche as a hipster fashion must have. Don't forget to grow your special forces inspired beard as you cruise the local food carts.
Sorry. Maybe all the patina is getting to me.
Posted by: green914 May 10 2017, 10:56 AM
Good article, thanks for posting it. 
Posted by: Calvinator2016 May 10 2017, 10:57 AM
Saw the article yesterday and it makes a lot of sense. Just glad I finally jumped in and purchased my car three weeks ago.
My thought is that there are only a limited number of cars out there and for that reason, I will look to keep mine as original as possible.
Posted by: Amphicar770 May 10 2017, 01:03 PM
I bought my 914 because back in the 70's it was the car I always wanted. Took me 40+ years to get there.
Are most / many 914 owner's members of the PCA? Is there any value to it or is it tailored more to the pretentious 1 percenters who own own a Porsche simply for status?
Posted by: Big Len May 10 2017, 01:24 PM
I bought my 914 because back in the 70's it was the car I always wanted. Took me 40+ years to get there.
Are most / many 914 owner's members of the PCA? Is there any value to it or is it tailored more to the pretentious 1 percenters who own own a Porsche simply for status?
Same here.
I find very few PCA members pretentious and no more than other clubs. Most are gear heads like us and simply always wanted one.
Posted by: Amphicar770 May 10 2017, 01:31 PM
I bought my 914 because back in the 70's it was the car I always wanted. Took me 40+ years to get there.
Are most / many 914 owner's members of the PCA? Is there any value to it or is it tailored more to the pretentious 1 percenters who own own a Porsche simply for status?
Same here.
I find very few PCA members pretentious and no more than other clubs. Most are gear heads like us and simply always wanted one.
Good to know. I have been debating joining.
I have found most of the "old car" clubs to be technical and gear-head focused. Many of the clubs tailored to newer "luxury / perfromance" marques (i.e. the one with a 3 pointed star) seem to be more about "lifestyle" and focus more on logo accessories and jewelry than the cars themselves!
Posted by: Betty May 10 2017, 02:00 PM
I find very few PCA members pretentious and no more than other clubs. Most are gear heads like us and simply always wanted one.
Also, PCA is large enough to have some kind of activity for almost everybody's interests (and maybe interests you didn't even know you had). For example, Clay and I would MUCH rather participate in driving events - but next weekend our local PCA region (Maverick) is having a Drive-In movie night. The double feature movies are "Rush" and "Le Mans". We just couldn't resist signing up for it. 
We've never done anything like that before and I'm looking forward to watching those two movies while sitting in my 914! I will try to refrain from rowing through the gears and making engine noises during the racing scenes... but no guarantees. Besides, there'll probably be other club members sitting in their Porsche's parked right next to mine doing the exact same thing.
Posted by: Shadowfax May 10 2017, 02:05 PM
Are most / many 914 owner's members of the PCA? Is there any value to it or is it tailored more to the pretentious 1 percenters who own own a Porsche simply for status?
I think it's worth it for the monthly magazine (Panorama) and the local/regional events. Some dealers offer a PCA parts discount too.
Posted by: Shadowfax May 10 2017, 02:13 PM
Good read. I guess I can start calling my 10-foot paint job "patina" instead 
Posted by: Tom_T May 10 2017, 05:40 PM
Steve, I read that article too last night.
Add one more not being a fan of having the rusty-bucket, rat-rod, barn-find look of classic cars - which we know is an invitation to the tin-worm!
Interesting article, & as 914 & 912/912E & G> later 911/993 Aircooled prices continue to rise, I suspect that the junky kept cars will disappear slowly too.
Not that I have anything against those who still DD their 914s etc., so long as they take proper care of their cars, then they'll have reliable DDs!
Tom
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Posted by: LowBridge May 10 2017, 05:42 PM
So rust in the longs is now Patina ...
Posted by: Edward Blume May 10 2017, 05:45 PM
What's driving it - "you can't get this stuff no more!"
Posted by: Larmo63 May 10 2017, 07:39 PM
ALL of my son's friends are looking for 914s.
Posted by: 914_teener May 10 2017, 07:47 PM
When up at the last event had a long discussion about the 914 and the next generation of porsche owners.
The cars are still affordable the parts are realatively inexpensive and if you are willing to work on it yourself.....affordable to drive.
Commentary:
The later part being the biggest challenge to the millenial generation. Why paint it when Patina is can look cool.....like worn blue jeans I quess?
Posted by: struckn May 10 2017, 07:50 PM
It's not just Hipster's who want a 914, I'd say there is a high percentage of new and old 911 owners that would love to have a 914 next to their 911 in their garage.
I think Seinfeld kept his 914 when he sold his collection.
Regardless of the potential increase in Value there is an increasing realization out there that old Analog Cars are a blast to drive. Newer technologically advanced cars have dampened the driving experience.
Posted by: Amphicar770 May 10 2017, 08:26 PM
There are very few new cars, other than those priced in the stratosphere, that anyone (especially young people looking to express their individuality) can get excited about. They all look the same, drive the same, sound the same, feel the same.
The 914 (and admittedly my 1991 Peugeot Mi-16) create a connection with the driver that new cars, with their CVT transmissions, completely lack. Don't even get me started on crossover utilities. These days, the newest vehicle in my fleet is 12 years old, mostly because there is nothing out there below the $50k mark that even remotely interests me.
In 1973 you had a lot of choices and unique quirky cars that simply do not exist today. A 914, 240z, MG, etc., could be had for about the same money as a typical domestic sedan. Not any more.
For less than the price of an Altima, Accord, Fusion, Kia, or other appliance you can pick up an old air cooled with far more personality and a lower depreciation curve.
Posted by: JHop May 10 2017, 10:37 PM
I bought my 914 because back in the 70's it was the car I always wanted. Took me 40+ years to get there.
Are most / many 914 owner's members of the PCA? Is there any value to it or is it tailored more to the pretentious 1 percenters who own own a Porsche simply for status?
Same here.
I find very few PCA members pretentious and no more than other clubs. Most are gear heads like us and simply always wanted one.
Good to know. I have been debating joining.
I have found most of the "old car" clubs to be technical and gear-head focused. Many of the clubs tailored to newer "luxury / perfromance" marques (i.e. the one with a 3 pointed star) seem to be more about "lifestyle" and focus more on logo accessories and jewelry
than the cars themselves!
+1 on PCA...I've been a member for 7 years and when I joined I was surprised at the low level of douchey-ness. Good group here in Oregon...we have distinct groups of social peeps, track peeps, gear heads, etc. and all get along. It's worth it to me.
Posted by: McLovin May 10 2017, 10:54 PM
Well they say in real estate you should buy the most humble house in a great neighborhood.
Posted by: Dave_Darling May 10 2017, 11:40 PM
Are most / many 914 owner's members of the PCA? Is there any value to it or is it tailored more to the pretentious 1 percenters who own own a Porsche simply for status?
The club is large--very large. Your experience with it will vary depending on the people in the Region you join. (Some areas have several Regions nearby and people can choose which they want to belong to.) Some are more focused on the social aspects, others more on high-performance driving, others on touring, and some people will probably be focused on having a very expensive car.
I don't know what the club local to you is like. Give it a try and see!
I've been a PCA member for over 25 years now, and do not regret joining at all.
--DD
Posted by: gandalf_025 May 11 2017, 09:40 AM
I bought my 914 because back in the 70's it was the car I always wanted. Took me 40+ years to get there.
Are most / many 914 owner's members of the PCA? Is there any value to it or is it tailored more to the pretentious 1 percenters who own own a Porsche simply for status?
Same here.
I find very few PCA members pretentious and no more than other clubs. Most are gear heads like us and simply always wanted one.
I went to 1 PCA Meeting back around 1973.. What a bunch of pompous assholes.
The 911 crowd... Better than thou....
Any 914 was looked down on.... The bastard stepchild..
Maybe things have changed a lot since then....
But I was 1 and done with them.
Your experience may be different.... I hope so...
Posted by: Optimusglen May 11 2017, 09:45 AM
I joined PCA mainly for the subscription to Panorama, haven't gone to any meets.
My guess that the acceptance of the 914's varies depending on the other members that happen to be there, I personally know several 911 owners who love 914's as well.
Posted by: Keyser Sose May 11 2017, 11:07 AM
For example, Clay and I would MUCH rather participate in driving events - but next weekend our local PCA region (Maverick) is having a Drive-In movie night. The double feature movies are "Rush" and "Le Mans". We just couldn't resist signing up for it.
We've never done anything like that before and I'm looking forward to watching those two movies while sitting in my 914! I will try to refrain from rowing through the gears and making engine noises during the racing scenes... but no guarantees. Besides, there'll probably be other club members sitting in their Porsche's parked right next to mine doing the exact same thing.
What? To a drive-in in a 914? But why, there's no back seat?
Posted by: rdauenhauer May 11 2017, 11:11 AM
My thought is that there are only a limited number of cars out there and for that reason, I will look to keep mine as original as possible.
I disagree there are a LOT of cars out there, its just that a large percentage of them are rusted out piles-o-crap beyond the desires of millennials & the hipsters segment to roll up their sleeves and work on one to make it attractive & reliable.
Grease, tools ...eewwwwww!
Posted by: 7TPorsh May 11 2017, 11:34 AM
My thought is that there are only a limited number of cars out there and for that reason, I will look to keep mine as original as possible.
I disagree there are a LOT of cars out there, its just that a large percentage of them are rusted out piles-o-crap beyond the desires of millennials & the hipsters segment to roll up their sleeves and work on one to make it attractive & reliable.
Grease, tools ...eewwwwww!
Hahaha...yech! what's that dirty black stuff?
Posted by: Optimusglen May 11 2017, 12:21 PM
It would be a mistake to paint all young owners with the brush labeling them as hipsters that don't get their hands dirty.
Posted by: jd74914 May 11 2017, 12:26 PM
Certainly not true in the NE or MW from what I've seen, perhaps out west? 
Around here there is a lot of focus in the younger generation on older Asian imports; I think a good piece of that may be that the parts generally are much less expensive even for a special import car.
Posted by: flyer86d May 11 2017, 12:35 PM
Joined PCA in 1976. Actually, a bunch of us who were all in our early to mid 20s joined and we all had 914s. We were all rabid track and autocross drivers. Yes, the 911 types all looked down on them until we showed them what our little cars could do. They were great times and a great bunch of people. Now 41 years later, I still belong to PCA, past president of two regions. Restoring my 68 911, driving my old Boxster, selling the 73 911 but I will never, ever part with the 914-6.
At monthly meetings, the 356 guys always stood in a group by the back door. They felt that Porsche did not build any cars after 1965. I've had two of those also, still have one of them.
Charlie
Posted by: 914_teener May 11 2017, 12:54 PM
Certainly not true in the NE or MW from what I've seen, perhaps out west? Around here there is a lot of focus in the younger generation on older Asian imports; I think a good piece of that may be that the parts generally are much less expensive even for a special import car.
"Out West"....it is similar and I have 5 kids and the youngest is 21.
Cars now are component based. Something breaks you replace the entire component. Bumpers are ABS not chrome and metal. Controls are digital not analog. This is the world they are born into. It.s not the 70's anymore
Scarcity is what is driving the interest in our cars as they are somewhat affordable still......still. Thank God with folks like Restoration design the unibody replacements component parts are somewhat available...and affordable if you have metal working skills which are not being passed on or kids educated in.
The world is changing. During its day the 914 I thought was cutting edge.....that is what make it so interesting.
Posted by: rdauenhauer May 11 2017, 02:15 PM
It would be a mistake to paint all young owners with the brush labeling them as hipsters that don't get their hands dirty.
Sheesh you guys need to relax
Its called comedy.
Posted by: BillC May 11 2017, 02:51 PM
I bought my 914 because back in the 70's it was the car I always wanted. Took me 40+ years to get there.
Are most / many 914 owner's members of the PCA? Is there any value to it or is it tailored more to the pretentious 1 percenters who own own a Porsche simply for status?
Same here.
I find very few PCA members pretentious and no more than other clubs. Most are gear heads like us and simply always wanted one.
I went to 1 PCA Meeting back around 1973.. What a bunch of pompous assholes.
The 911 crowd... Better than thou....
Any 914 was looked down on.... The bastard stepchild..
Maybe things have changed a lot since then....
But I was 1 and done with them.
Your experience may be different.... I hope so...
Most PCA chapters are large enough to have different crowds. When I first joined PCA back in '97, I ran into the same attitude. Almost a decade later, I bought my first Cayman and started autocrossing. Turns out the autocross and DE crowds are vastly different from the bought-it-for-the-name snobs, and actually care about driving the cars rather than what other folks think.
Posted by: Mueller May 11 2017, 03:33 PM
Interesting article, not sure if I buy into it with the hipster connection or not.
I'm okay with more people getting into the marque, I just don't want to start seeing more "stanced" vehicles which has ruined the VW and BMW scene I think.
Nothing worse than stretched tires, rims that poke out past the fenders, fake or forced rust on the hoods and staged luggage and gas cans on the roof racks....
"Get off my lawn" , hahaha
Posted by: 914Next May 11 2017, 03:44 PM
I bought my 914 because back in the 70's it was the car I always wanted. Took me 40+ years to get there.
Are most / many 914 owner's members of the PCA? Is there any value to it or is it tailored more to the pretentious 1 percenters who own own a Porsche simply for status?
Same here.
I find very few PCA members pretentious and no more than other clubs. Most are gear heads like us and simply always wanted one.
I went to 1 PCA Meeting back around 1973.. What a bunch of pompous assholes.
The 911 crowd... Better than thou....
Any 914 was looked down on.... The bastard stepchild..
Maybe things have changed a lot since then....
But I was 1 and done with them.
Your experience may be different.... I hope so...
Might not be a bad move to try it again every 44 years or so.
Posted by: Betty May 11 2017, 04:10 PM
What? To a drive-in in a 914? But why, there's no back seat?
That's why we're thinking about taking the Targa top off.
Posted by: Mueller May 11 2017, 04:15 PM
I went to 1 PCA Meeting back around 1973.. What a bunch of pompous assholes.
The 911 crowd... Better than thou....
Any 914 was looked down on.... The bastard stepchild..
Maybe things have changed a lot since then....
But I was 1 and done with them.
Your experience may be different.... I hope so...
When we 1st joined the PCA and went to an event I used to always say I only owned a 914 and most of the 911 and other owners would say they too used to have one or liked those models as well.
Believe it or not I think I've received more negative feedback on my 1.8liter cars from other 2.0 or larger motor owners.
Posted by: Porschef May 11 2017, 04:16 PM
Around here there is a lot of focus in the younger generation on older Asian imports; I think a good piece of that may be that the parts generally are much less expensive even for a special import car.
I agree, when I had the '92 Si I was approached weekly by a yoot wanting to buy it.
Most yoots now have no idea what a 914 is, or who makes it.
Posted by: scallyk9 May 11 2017, 04:38 PM
I bought my 914 because back in the 70's it was the car I always wanted. Took me 40+ years to get there.
Are most / many 914 owner's members of the PCA? Is there any value to it or is it tailored more to the pretentious 1 percenters who own own a Porsche simply for status?
Me too. Back in the early 80's I was autocrossing an MGB with some circuit time and kept getting beaten by a 914 Creamsicle. Similar horsepower but my having drum brakes and lever shocks, he could just go in deeper and exit the turns faster, so 40 years later I finally got my own Can Am LE (a Bumblebee).
I'm a new PCA member. So far, I haven't felt belittled for having a VW/Porsche. No obvious snubs yet. I think this might depend on the region and the individuals involved.
Posted by: 914_teener May 11 2017, 06:41 PM
Interesting article, not sure if I buy into it with the hipster connection or not.
I'm okay with more people getting into the marque, I just don't want to start seeing more "stanced" vehicles which has ruined the VW and BMW scene I think.
Nothing worse than stretched tires, rims that poke out past the fenders, fake or forced rust on the hoods and staged luggage and gas cans on the roof racks....
"Get off my lawn" , hahaha
......or pregnant celebrities perched atop "patina" 914's
Posted by: stevend914 May 13 2017, 07:15 AM
I had the only 914 at the PCA Hill Country Treffen in Austin
The 911 turbo guys were a bit on the snobbish side
Posted by: Amphicar770 May 13 2017, 08:09 AM
Ok, I went ahead and joined PCA. I am hoping that to prove they welcome 914 owners that they will send me a Panamera to use as my daily driver. :-)
Posted by: Larmo63 May 13 2017, 09:36 AM
I've been to two "official" Saturday morning local SoCal PCA events here. Albeit, they both featured the 914 model, but the people for the most part couldn't have been nicer about our 914s. A few guys with really nice 911s talked to us about where they could get one, and asked for our advice. One sold an '83 red 911SC that was a $45,000.00 car and bought a $14,000.00 914.
He is currently here on our board and in the middle of a 911 conversion in this car. He couldn't be more stoked about a car.
The whole "poor man's Porsche" idea about our wonderful cars is a thing of the past, it seems.
Posted by: somd914 May 13 2017, 11:56 AM
Have to say I've been seeing more 914's pop up at Washington/Baltimore area car events in recent years, but I'd say most of the owners I have met are 45+.
My young adult sons are very much into the air-cooled Porsches and desire their own cars, not for the collectability but for the driving experience and the ability to service/mod these cars themselves.
As for new, well most have become bland and homogenized IMHO, but I have to say my wife's '08 Elise SC is an absolute ball to drive - reasonably priced, light weight (1950 lbs), fairly simple in comparison to other cars of the era, not loaded with mountains of power that get you in trouble quickly but still requires skill to master, and driver feedback that surpasses my 914 and 911.
As for PCA, agree results vary, but the cost alone is worth Panorama magazine...
Posted by: 914Next May 13 2017, 08:51 PM
I had the only 914 at the PCA Hill Country Treffen in Austin
The 911 turbo guys were a bit on the snobbish side
...not all of them.
Posted by: r_towle May 13 2017, 09:34 PM
The whole "poor man's Porsche" idea about our wonderful cars is a thing of the past, it seems.
No its not
Posted by: Cracker May 13 2017, 09:49 PM
The whole "poor man's Porsche" idea about our wonderful cars is a thing of the past, it seems.
No its not
Rich is right...
Posted by: somd914 May 14 2017, 06:24 AM
The whole "poor man's Porsche" idea about our wonderful cars is a thing of the past, it seems.
No its not
Rich is right...
I think you are starting to see the tide turn, but how far will it go and how quickly is the question?
I recall 15 or so years ago when I wanted a Carrera or an SC and was bummed that all I could afford were long hood early 70's 911s. I opted not to go that route as I wanted more power and I wanted later cars with galvanized bodies (and years later I have rusty 914s...). Anyway, that market changed radically and in all reality didn't take long. Now I wish I had that 911E.
As long hood 911s have become collectors cars with associated prices, a lot of focus has fallen on later 911s, especially 3.2 Carreras. My Carrera is worth perhaps the low $40k range, but it stickered for approximately $33k in 1984. My '73 teeners stickered for approximately $5k and are worth mid-teens on the silver car and perhaps into the low twenties on the Revenna car once I finish it. If only the now "collectable" Carrera was worth 3-4 times its sticker price like the 914s!
Anyway, time will tell, the collectors' market ebbs and flows, and often logic plays no part in it.
Posted by: larryM May 15 2017, 09:05 PM
a'yup, an interesting perspective
- apparently "shabby chic" has come to the car market
i'm still waiting for one of these high-rollers to show up with $85K CASH at my gate
!
.
Posted by: stevend914 May 16 2017, 12:54 PM
I had the only 914 at the PCA Hill Country Treffen in Austin
The 911 turbo guys were a bit on the snobbish side
...not all of them.
You're right, just 3 in particular
Posted by: Cracker May 16 2017, 02:21 PM
....I could be incorrect but I believe "914Next" is a "turbo" owner.
T
You're right, just 3 in particular
Posted by: 914Next May 16 2017, 09:41 PM
....I could be incorrect but I believe "914Next" is a "turbo" owner.
T
You're right, just 3 in particular
True, Cracker but its alright; not easily offended.
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