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Posted by: scott thacher May 12 2005, 12:10 PM
today i was talking to a new snobby neighbor, well his bmw suv got dinged and it was in the shop. i was talking to him about the 914 and said when i was in cali i was playing with 911 and they where getting passed on the track. when i said this his ride showed up in a new 911 ( not sure of year or model ) and i said if i was not having issues with my car i would go play with him. well his buddy heard this and as he was pulling away he was reving his motor to 5k or so just so i could "hear it "
nothing like not even starting the car and making a 911 owners penis shrink
Posted by: Dr. Roger May 12 2005, 12:15 PM
I'm so proud of being a 914 owner. 
I'm not so ego driven as much as I just want the best handling, lightest car to put my motor in.
Great story.
Posted by: Rob14 May 12 2005, 02:42 PM
Threads like this make me ashamed of being a 914 owner.
You guys really think this way?
-Rob
'76 914 2.0L
'80 911 SC
Posted by: redshift May 12 2005, 02:50 PM
I washed all the shit off my car the other day, and there was a group of three cute 17-18-19 year old girls washing a car in the stall next to me.
They kept looking around the corner, one at a time, then I look up, and they are all standing there.
I smiled, and said, '..and the top comes off..".. and they giggled, and said, 'Really!?"..
It's alot of fun owning a 914.
M
Posted by: tat2dphreak May 12 2005, 03:08 PM
| QUOTE (redshift @ May 12 2005, 03:50 PM) |
| I washed all the shit off my car the other day, and there was a group of three cute 17-18-19 year old girls washing a car in the stall next to me. They kept looking around the corner, one at a time, then I look up, and they are all standing there. I smiled, and said, '..and the top comes off..".. and they giggled, and said, 'Really!?".. It's alot of fun owning a 914. M |
careful there Miles, they sound a little young... you know the rules...
18 is legal
17 with consent
16 with a note
15 if her dad is in the room...
-David Spade
Posted by: Joe Sharp May 12 2005, 03:10 PM
Rob: First welcome to the Garage.
Second, no we are not. Try this for an attitude test.
Take the 911 out for a drive and wave at all Porsches (including those made by VW).
Now do the samething in your teener.
I personaly wave at all Porsches no matter what car I'm in.
Lots more laughs that way.
Carerror has been buzzed 3 times.
I'm not a button pusher but it sure feels good to see someone with money flustered just cuse I'm there.
Check my blog.
Joe
Posted by: Rand May 12 2005, 03:11 PM
| QUOTE |
| and the top comes off |
So did you rip your shirt off to demonstrate?
Posted by: aircooledboy May 12 2005, 03:11 PM
| QUOTE (Rob14 @ May 12 2005, 02:42 PM) |
| Threads like this make me ashamed of being a 914 owner. You guys really think this way? -Rob '76 914 2.0L '80 911 SC |
Now that is a great 1st post.
Take a deep breath, unbunch your panties. We joke alot around here dood. It is a natural reaction to the NARP inferiority complex.
Posted by: Andyrew May 12 2005, 03:12 PM
I love it when girls are checking out my car... I just wait for the oportune moment to say.. "Now, I think i'll take my top off"
I was getting in my car to go home from work, and there was a bunch of teenagers (keep in mind im 18..) looking at a car from a distance... One of them asked "what kind of engine is in that thing?"
"350"
"OOOOOOHHHHHHH" in the gansta fashion...
they all gathered around the car... At this point I started it and let it idle.
One of them asked to see the engine and they all agree'd.. Still sitting in the car, I popped the lid, Another loud "OOOOHH" arose... this went on for 5 mins....
Some of them wanted to go at it, and I said that i only race on the track.
I love my car.
Posted by: redshift May 12 2005, 03:16 PM
| QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ May 12 2005, 05:08 PM) |
| careful there Miles, they sound a little young... you know the rules... 18 is legal 17 with consent 16 with a note 15 if her dad is in the room... -David Spade |
Oh I don't have sex anymore.
M
Posted by: spiritedTreiber May 12 2005, 03:16 PM
Yep, the top comes off line is great, but not as great as all the looks you get when you stop at a light and take it off in traffic!
Posted by: Joe Ricard May 12 2005, 03:16 PM
Miles, how long did it take to realize that your zipper was down and that's what they were giggling at. 
Posted by: tat2dphreak May 12 2005, 03:18 PM
Chris is right, our sense of humor comes from the cheap beer and nachos... can't afford wine and real cheese
Mr. Thatcher has had to set several people straight with his car... what was it the guy are the Porsche dealership said to you Scott? wasn't it something like "you ruined a good VW by putting that engine(scoobie) in" ? 
relax, it's all in good fun!
Posted by: tat2dphreak May 12 2005, 03:19 PM
| QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ May 12 2005, 04:16 PM) |
| Miles, how long did it take to realize that your zipper was down and that's what they were giggling at. |
no,no... they just wanted to know if the goat was going to get a bath while he was there...
| QUOTE |
| Oh I don't have sex anymore. M |
oh, you're married too?
I'm sorry
Posted by: redshift May 12 2005, 03:21 PM
I was wearing a pink speedo, over yellow bike shorts..
Posted by: tdgray May 12 2005, 03:24 PM
| QUOTE (Andyrew @ May 12 2005, 05:12 PM) |
| I love it when girls are checking out my car... I just wait for the oportune moment to say.. "Now, I think i'll take my top off" |
Ahhhh youth
Don't you know thats the time to say. I'll take mine off if you take yours off.
Posted by: Mueller May 12 2005, 03:48 PM
some of 911 bashing I see as joking, and some of it I see as the 914 owner having a napoleon complex
as to the "wave" or "blink" even in my 911 it's a rare occasion by another 911 driver...
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 12 2005, 04:26 PM
Hang in there gang... there will come a day when you'll all be wishing they (the Porsche community) would bounce us back into obscurity. Teeners are already approaching a $6-7k "average" for a good car.
I love my taildragger.
I love my teener.
A lot of 911 guys can be... well, different (not all, there's a bunch of good ones... look for good). If you look at the reasons for purchasing a said Porsche automobile the reasons would be different. I think this "fundamental" is what creates the gap. This is a group that basically likes to work on their own cars and has many "issues" to deal with. We take humility lessons daily (often from one another).
Porsches are very cool cars... check your "Napoleon Complex" and your "Ego" at the door and let's have a brew
Posted by: scott thacher May 12 2005, 04:28 PM
well first of all i never said i could beat his car, just said i could play and there were 911 being passed on the "track" by 914s. i just think he needed to prove his modern water cooled was better than my 30 YO porsche at least he thinks his sounds better. little does he know i have a modern water pumper too.
rob, its not about 914 vrs 911 its not about cars at all it is about the attitude. the guy decided he had something to prove instead of saying something like it needs a paint job, or damn what year. this guy bought his car for the little dick syndrom because he wanted his impressive car, it could be a 57 t bird and i would look at it the same way but he wanted his PORSCHA. and the fact that he thought i was insulting his car he HAD to prove it was better is not my fault
Posted by: Reiche May 12 2005, 04:35 PM
Yes, the NARP complex. Here's my most recent story:
Went out with a bunch of strangers for a mutual friend's birthday. One of the guys there drives a nice 911SC. Our mutual friend mentioned (in hopes of starting a conversation) that I and my brother are into Porsches. He asks what kind, she says "914."
End of conversation.
Good thing she didn't say anything to the Boxster owner who showed up later.
Posted by: Eric_Shea May 12 2005, 04:46 PM
| QUOTE |
| Good thing she didn't say anything to the Boxster owner who showed up later. |
Why? He/She may have been a hoot...
One bad apple...
Posted by: Headrage May 12 2005, 04:47 PM
| QUOTE (Rob14 @ May 12 2005, 01:42 PM) |
| Threads like this make me ashamed of being a 914 owner. |
Sell it.
Posted by: Reiche May 12 2005, 04:56 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ May 12 2005, 03:46 PM) |
| Why? He/She may have been a hoot... One bad apple... |
Actually, he was pretty cool, but 914s never came up. He passed me on the road the other day (happens a lot in my diesel Benz) and waved.
Posted by: anthony May 12 2005, 05:17 PM
I haven't seen that ever happen at a Bay Area 914 gathering.
| QUOTE |
| and there were 911 being passed on the "track" by 914s. |
That is more a function of driver and car preparation. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the 914 is something that is it not.
Posted by: brant May 12 2005, 05:41 PM
| QUOTE (anthony @ May 12 2005, 04:17 PM) | ||
That is more a function of driver and car preparation. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the 914 is something that is it not. |
Sorry I love the 914...
but I've got to agree with anthony on this one.
A 911 can be FAST.
A 911 can kick a 914's butt... and vica versa depending on size of motor and driver skill
yet I still sold my 911 to fund my 914 because that is the one I like most (and could not afford both)
I didn't do it because the 914 was faster.
brant
Posted by: scott thacher May 12 2005, 05:55 PM
well first i need to say...i never said the 914 is better than a 914... i said they were passing 911's but there were some very fast and powerful 914s that day.
Posted by: redshift May 12 2005, 06:31 PM
My space shuttle is bigger than your's.
M
Posted by: iamchappy May 12 2005, 06:55 PM
Last night I spoke to a 911 owner in the church parking lot, I approached him and said nice things about his light blue metallic SC a very beautiful car with the turbo look and he started telling me how he has been tracking the car with the local club. As we spoke he pointed out to me some cold start problems he was having and I started making suggestions to the cause and fix to his problem, He responded how do you know about Porsches, I told him I have a 914 with a turbocharged engine like his in it, His jaw just about dropped he didnt know much about 914s other than he knew my car is lighter and must be a monster.
We exchanged business cards and I had an email from him this morning.
I think 911 owners get it. Newbies dont.
Posted by: anthony May 12 2005, 07:17 PM
As we all know there are many different types of Porsche owers. There are the DIY types, there are the track types, the AX types, the concours types, and then there are the types that bought their car because it's a status symbol and the only PCA events they do are the 'how to wax your car' tech session and the wine country tour. By and large though the Porsche snobs are far outnumbered especially if you are talking about aircooled Porsches. Newer Porsches will obviously attract a much different crowd that has a lot of money.
Go read the 911 Bird board if you want to see a bunch of hard core DIYers and track junkies. The high degree of technical knowledge there is amazing.
Posted by: redshift May 12 2005, 07:23 PM
One other type...
The kind that has someone else do the mechanical stuff, and just uses their car to drive everywhere.
M
Posted by: black73 May 12 2005, 07:35 PM
Can someone explain to me what this is all about? It seems 911 owner hate 914s. 914 owners hate 944s etc. But mustang guys are Ford loyal all the way. Vette owners are chevy to the bone. Porsche owners are the only ones I know that act this way. Who cares which one is the "best", they are all great!
Posted by: xsboost90 May 12 2005, 07:56 PM
no- ford owners hate mustang 2's and 911 guys hate 944's unless its for a beater and 914 guys hate rust...
Posted by: redshift May 12 2005, 07:57 PM
I care which one is best.
I am best!
M
Posted by: bd1308 May 12 2005, 08:50 PM
| QUOTE (redshift @ May 12 2005, 07:23 PM) |
| One other type... The kind that has someone else do the mechanical stuff, and just uses their car to drive everywhere. M |
is that in reference to me ??????
Posted by: Hammy May 12 2005, 08:55 PM
| QUOTE (black73 @ May 12 2005, 06:35 PM) |
| Can someone explain to me what this is all about? It seems 911 owner hate 914s. 914 owners hate 944s etc. But mustang guys are Ford loyal all the way. Vette owners are chevy to the bone. Porsche owners are the only ones I know that act this way. Who cares which one is the "best", they are all great! |
I like em all.
Posted by: Andyrew May 12 2005, 11:35 PM
914 owners hate 944's??
oh, your just generalizing...
Wait... 914 owners hate 944's??
Posted by: Brando May 13 2005, 01:03 AM
the NARP syndrome is predominant in people who actually KNOW what other models Porsche made (read: rich old-old fogies). Those who apprecieate the off-production Porsches probably owned a few
Ron Snellgrow is one such guy in this area. Owns a 356 B Coupe. Owned a 73 914 and a 78 911SC. Now he just has his volvo and his 356... flashes, waves and flags down any other P-car he sees to shoot the breeze.
Posted by: Toast May 13 2005, 01:26 AM
| QUOTE (Rob14 @ May 12 2005, 01:42 PM) |
| Threads like this make me ashamed of being a 914 owner. You guys really think this way? -Rob '76 914 2.0L '80 911 SC |
Thats a nice way to welcome yourself to the club.
Welcome to the club!
.........unless your Alfred.
I wave to other Porsche owners, but they dont wave back.
Posted by: Leo Imperial May 13 2005, 01:31 AM
Being new to the bay area and a first time 914 owner (finally ) I went to a local posche shop looking for parts. The guy came out to look at my 914 and proceeded to enlighten me. "The car is in really good shape, but it's only a four. You should sell it before you waste any more money. Here is a 911 I will sell to you for a song $8500, before I put it on ebay tomorrow. How much do you have for a deposit?"
The 911 is still there and that was 6 months ago.
I love all porsches and it took me nearly 10 years to get a 914. This was my passion.
As far as the shop I went to I wont bash...S-Cargo in Marin...Asshole
Posted by: Dr. Roger May 13 2005, 01:49 AM
| QUOTE (Leo Imperial @ May 12 2005, 11:31 PM) |
| Being new to the bay area and a first time 914 owner (finally ) I went to a local posche shop looking for parts. The guy came out to look at my 914 and proceeded to enlighten me. "The car is in really good shape, but it's only a four. You should sell it before you waste any more money. Here is a 911 I will sell to you for a song $8500, before I put it on ebay tomorrow. How much do you have for a deposit?" The 911 is still there and that was 6 months ago. I love all porsches and it took me nearly 10 years to get a 914. This was my passion. As far as the shop I went to I wont bash...S-Cargo in Marin...Asshole |
Rob, Rob, Rob.....
Hey Leo, pleasure to meet another local.
I've lived in Richmond twice. My first house was in the Annex off Central Ave. Then, before I bought this place, I rented out at "the Point".
I try to avoid Marin. I had a Maserati Biturbo (lemon alert-lemon alert) and welll....... I just don't want to think about the mechanic I found over there.... It's all good now.
there's a dude selling his teen in Marin right now. He posted it on craigslist for a long time, Big price. Then he discovered 914club. His price has dropped drastically after a reality check.
Love to see your ride if you've got pics???
Posted by: LuckieO May 13 2005, 02:05 AM
I own a 911 and I am sad to say that 911 guys are often pricks. I think that the love of the car, the love for the men who created the VW and then the Porsche , is not really there with many of the people who own 911s, 993s, 996s and the like. It is more about the prestige of owning a Porsche. Obviously, there are many exceptions to the rule as well. But, I will say that the people that I met at the WCC, people who own all different types of Porsches, were a really great group. Really, just a bunch of people having fun with some of the best cars on the planet!
I will quote "Wow, this is nothing like any PCA event I have ever been to!"
No offense to the PCA, but I have never met so many great people at one Porsche gathering!
And oh, how I do love the 951...
Posted by: meares May 13 2005, 02:34 PM
i drove my dad's 964 for a year and a half and the one thing i noticed is that the folks driving the newer porsches didn't wave, flick the high beams, nothing!!!! the people in the older "purist/enthusiasts" cars waved or knew to flick the high beams....it's really disenchanting to see some people buying the mark as a status symbol and not as emotional heart-felt purchase! but, i guess i have a weird view of porsches
Posted by: bd1308 May 13 2005, 02:42 PM
hell...I even wave to the VW folks,, adn they flash thier lights and wave....the jeep people waved to each other(when i had one)
Posted by: rick 918-S May 13 2005, 02:43 PM
Taildraggers make great parts cars for our conversions.
Posted by: bd1308 May 13 2005, 02:44 PM
| QUOTE (rick 918-S @ May 13 2005, 02:43 PM) |
| Taildraggers make great parts cars for our conversions. |
agreed
Posted by: tat2dphreak May 13 2005, 02:48 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ May 13 2005, 03:42 PM) |
| hell...I even wave to the VW folks,, adn they flash thier lights and wave....the jeep people waved to each other(when i had one) |
the VW folk always wave! and old P-car guys seem to be much more friendly... boxter people really don't realize what the 914 is... a boxter guy at a gas station asked if it was an alpha spider?
when I was driving my teener, interestingly enough, I always got a thumb-up from Harley guys too.... they just like a car that's as loud as them(old car had a monza, it was obsene)!
Posted by: Dr Evil May 13 2005, 03:06 PM
My daily driver is a MBZ 240D from 1975. I am all obout the status symbol
I agree, it is sad that more 911 guys are not cool. The only 911 guys that I have met and liked owned 914s.
Posted by: anthony May 13 2005, 03:12 PM
| QUOTE |
| .it's really disenchanting to see some people buying the mark as a status symbol and not as emotional heart-felt purchase! but, i guess i have a weird view of porsches |
Why do you guys care? IMO, a new water pumping Porsche barely qualifies as a Porsche anyway. A new 997 costs $90K+ out the door - what kind of people do you think are going to buy those cars?
Posted by: jd74914 May 13 2005, 05:21 PM
| QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ May 13 2005, 12:48 PM) | ||
the VW folk always wave! and old P-car guys seem to be much more friendly... boxter people really don't realize what the 914 is... a boxter guy at a gas station asked if it was an alpha spider? |
Many boxster people don't really seem to recognize classic porsches (I've seen some who had never heard of the 356)
Posted by: ! May 13 2005, 05:29 PM
| QUOTE (Sammy @ May 12 2005, 03:02 PM) |
| I hang out with 914 owners, and 911 owners as well. For the most part they are no different. Some are cool, some are not, but they all love cars. The exception to that is: when I go to lunch or whatever with a bunch of 911 guys, they all throw money in when the bill comes and there is too much so the extra has to be divided up and returned. When I go out with a bunch of 914 guys, the one who gets stuck with the check counts up the money and it's $50 short and he has to cover it. I've seen both scenarios three times that I can think of right now, twice the guy who got nailed with the bill and had to pay the difference is someone on this board (at Chilis and hooters). I won't name names, but the good guys' initials are Brad and Skline. They paid the bills and didn't bitch cause they are like that. Me? I'da bitched til the cows came home. I learned that when going to a social function with a bunch of 914'ers, always ask for seperate checks |
Add me....
Posted by: ! May 13 2005, 05:34 PM
| QUOTE (black73 @ May 12 2005, 05:35 PM) |
| Can someone explain to me what this is all about? It seems 911 owner hate 914s. 914 owners hate 944s etc. But mustang guys are Ford loyal all the way. Vette owners are chevy to the bone. Porsche owners are the only ones I know that act this way. Who cares which one is the "best", they are all great! |
We hate everybody...unless we sit down and there is a bottle of tekillya in front of us.....then we just hate MOPARS.....
Posted by: Brando May 13 2005, 05:57 PM
| QUOTE ("Z" @ May 13 2005, 03:34 PM) | ||
We hate everybody...unless we sit down and there is a bottle of tekillya in front of us.....then we just hate MOPARS..... |
and JDM...
... or JDR as we call it... (Japcrap Domestic Rice).
Posted by: Headrage May 13 2005, 06:02 PM
Is it me? Or does everyone know that the only difference between a porcupine and a 911 is that the porcupine has the pricks on the outside? But really, I drove an MG for 3 years while I was living in England and it was the same between us and the guy's that had the latest Alfa, Lotus or Rover. Ya gotta love the car!!!
Posted by: MecGen May 13 2005, 06:05 PM
Hey
The last 914 I crossed on the road, we stopped and talked for an hour 
Guess its not the same when Porsches are everywhere,
in my winter wonderland, your lucky to see another 914.
Later
Joe
Posted by: anthony May 13 2005, 06:06 PM
The difference here is what I'd call "car people" and people that just buy cars that happen to be Porsches. Car people tend to like and appreciate all kinds of cool cars even if they settle on one brand/model to own. People that post here are car people, people that buy new Boxsters and 997s aren't necessarily car people. Don't feel bad if they don't wave.
Posted by: Brando May 13 2005, 06:10 PM
| QUOTE (anthony @ May 13 2005, 04:06 PM) |
| The difference here is what I'd call "car people" and people that just buy cars that happen to be Porsches. Car people tend to like and appreciate all kinds of cool cars even if they settle on one brand/model to own. People that post here are car people, people that buy new Boxsters and 997s aren't necessarily car people. Don't feel bad if they don't wave. |
Most new Boxster or 911 owners I flash or wave to on the road give me a nice big
I tend to lump them into the category of "too much money to want a hondah, not enough class to own a lambo"
Posted by: ! May 13 2005, 07:21 PM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ May 13 2005, 04:02 PM) |
| Is it me? Or does everyone know that the only difference between a porcupine and a 911 is that the porcupine has the pricks on the outside? But really, I drove an MG for 3 years while I was living in England and it was the same between us and the guy's that had the latest Alfa, Lotus or Rover. Ya gotta love the car!!! |
The new joke has an OH shit answer.....
What's the diff between an air cooled Porsche and a Porcupine?
NOTHING...both are endangered.....
save your cars.....cause no one else but the yuppies will......
Posted by: mharrison May 13 2005, 10:12 PM
| QUOTE |
| The difference here is what I'd call "car people" and people that just buy cars that happen to be Porsches. Car people tend to like and appreciate all kinds of cool cars even if they settle on one brand/model to own. People that post here are car people, people that buy new Boxsters and 997s aren't necessarily car people. Don't feel bad if they don't wave. |
Enjoy the car people you meet and ignore the people who just bought cars that happen to be Porsches. OR, we can take the time to try and turn them into CAR PEOPLE. I love a teener, I'm a bit of a purist (come on, a radiator? WTF??) , but my sisters new Carrera is A BLAST to drive, The Boxter looks like it would be a ball, Hell, I just like a nice automobile.
Posted by: redshift May 13 2005, 10:17 PM
911 Wave: 
© 2002 Sammy
M
Posted by: red914 May 13 2005, 10:29 PM
| QUOTE (xsboost90 @ May 12 2005, 05:56 PM) |
| ... and 914 guys hate rust... |
and we have never had a more tireless foe. not that it has no tires, but that it doesn't get tired... oh, i give up
Posted by: SGB May 13 2005, 10:38 PM
What makes a water-pumper Porche owner different from a Chebby owner is that the Porsche owner has A HELL OF A GOOD [modern] CAR (no matter what the person is like). 
Posted by: Ctrout May 14 2005, 12:47 AM
The 914 was the first car that I ever recognized. I saw one when I was 14 and wanted it immediately. I got the book "Porsches for the Road" and dreamed about that white 914 for two years. Then my parents picked up a 1978 Mustang II (pinto) for $600 for me. I loved that car and forgot all about 914s and P-cars in general for nearly 20 years. I have owned 5 Mustangs during that period ('65 coupe, '66 conv, '84 hatch, '92 coupe). After I sold the '92 I started wanting a sporty car again and was dead set on an X 1/9 until the X guys all told me how hard they are to keep running and find parts for. I started actively looking for a Fiero. My boss, (a Boxster owner) told me to buy a Porsche, any Porsche, so I started looking and found that most of the classics are very affordable. Drove a 944 n/a and was very impressed. Bottom line, I love cars. I flash my lights at any car that I respect. (regularly wave to a guy with a trashed, multi-colored TR-6). Can't we all just get along?
Posted by: redshift May 14 2005, 01:24 AM
I am on the main route to food, from Roebling, and for the first time, I am seeing weekends where 1-2 914s, and 5-6 911 with meatballs pass the shop..
A couple 911 guys have stopped to look, and once one of them even acknowledged the fact that they parked next to another Porsche, with a "Hmm.."..
That's alright, I still got my guitar... -solos-..
M
Posted by: mike_the_man May 14 2005, 03:34 AM
| QUOTE (scott thacher @ May 12 2005, 02:28 PM) |
| and the fact that he thought i was insulting his car he HAD to prove it was better is not my fault |
Just like you had to prove that Canadians always run away from a fight?
Oh never mind, I'm kinda drunk!
Posted by: scott thacher May 14 2005, 08:42 AM
| QUOTE (mike_the_man @ May 14 2005, 01:34 AM) |
| Just like you had to prove that Canadians always run away from a fight? |
huh
Posted by: J P Stein May 14 2005, 09:09 AM
| QUOTE (Sammy @ May 12 2005, 03:02 PM) |
| I hang out with 914 owners, and 911 owners as well. For the most part they are no different. |
Yeah, me too and neither group likes us.
Posted by: mike_the_man May 14 2005, 11:06 AM
| QUOTE (scott thacher @ May 14 2005, 06:42 AM) | ||
huh |
Never mind, too much beer last night.
Posted by: black73 May 14 2005, 08:34 PM
| QUOTE (red914 @ May 13 2005, 11:29 PM) | ||
and we have never had a more tireless foe. not that it has no tires, but that it doesn't get tired... oh, i give up |
Are you trying to say rust never sleeps?
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