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Posted by: Fastmover Jun 26 2017, 01:18 PM
Long time lurker here, 1st time poster....
I have a unique situation, a large goal and short time to complete said goal.
I have researched and spent hours reading several of y'all's threads on converting your teeners to a suby powertrain.
I have roughly a month to complete a conversion, plus cage and full suspension.
I found cold water, and thought my issues were solved, but it seems he isn't active at the moment. Soooo here it is..... does any of y'all have any conversion parts that would be for sale to help speed up my process? Specifically a cradle, 5 lug conversion stuff, cable shift, axles, and tranny mounts.
I have an ej25, and a 5mt 2wd conversion tranny, and radiator and fans,this 914 is being built to race in the upcoming 24hr chump race at vir, then hopefully some AER and NASA and possibly SCCA.
This chassis is a 73, and I do believe one of the original owners had a thread on all the work he had done to it, but at the end he had to slap it together and sell due to relocating out of country?
I will try to locate that thread and add it here to refresh everyones memory of the car.
Any help, parts or suggestions will be welcomed, but please refrain from the brow bashing of not keeping the car original, because the goal of this build and car is to have fun with it and expand the cars role in the future, maybe a full 6gt conversion, who knows, but this is the first step!
Thanks in advance
Update: here is the chassis that we ended up picking up for this build.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=100898
Posted by: Zebravanman Jun 26 2017, 03:16 PM
Long time lurker here, 1st time poster....
I have a unique situation, a large goal and short time to complete said goal.
I have researched and spent hours reading several of y'all's threads on converting your teeners to a suby powertrain.
I have roughly a month to complete a conversion, plus cage and full suspension.
I found cold water, and thought my issues were solved, but it seems he isn't active at the moment. Soooo here it is..... does any of y'all have any conversion parts that would be for sale to help speed up my process? Specifically a cradle, 5 lug conversion stuff, cable shift, axles, and tranny mounts.
I have an ej25, and a 5mt 2wd conversion tranny, and radiator and fans,this 914 is being built to race in the upcoming 24hr chump race at vir, then hopefully some AER and NASA and possibly SCCA.
This chassis is a 73, and I do believe one of the original owners had a thread on all the work he had done to it, but at the end he had to slap it together and sell due to relocating out of country?
I will try to locate that thread and add it here to refresh everyones memory of the car.
Any help, parts or suggestions will be welcomed, but please refrain from the brow bashing of not keeping the car original, because the goal of this build and car is to have fun with it and expand the cars role in the future, maybe a full 6gt conversion, who knows, but this is the first step!
Thanks in advance
Hello from the UK,
I fitted a Subaru 2.5 and then changed to a 2.0 Turbo to my VW van( see link below) I've pretty much done this subject to death, I know it's not a 914 (i have one though) and if you need any tips give me a shout. My van is probably one of the fastest street vans in the UK !
Watch the video below to get some installation tips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha-OObC_Dz4
Posted by: Fastmover Jun 26 2017, 04:08 PM
Hello from the UK,
I fitted a Subaru 2.5 and then changed to a 2.0 Turbo to my VW van( see link below) I've pretty much done this subject to death, I know it's not a 914 (i have one though) and if you need any tips give me a shout. My van is probably one of the fastest street vans in the UK !
Watch the video below to get some installation tips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha-OObC_Dz4
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Thank You, Nice van!
I actually have some subarugears product in my 2wd 5mt tranny that's being assembled by subieworks out in California!
I'm sure I'll have question sooner or later, just trying to get all the needed parts for this build hammered out now
Posted by: 914forme Jun 26 2017, 05:32 PM
Go to https://smallcar.com/vanagon/subaru-vanagon-conversion-parts/subaru-4-cyl-vanagon-4wd-engine-mount-powder-coated.html
This will mount to a 914 engine bar from a tail shifter. BTW, they will sell just the pieces you need if you call them and tell them that your doing a conversion.
It was used on PORSTI build, and the auto-x redo of the shitbox.
The rear hangers you just have to make, they are pretty easy depending on what you want to do with it.
Outfront, can build a stinger and the harness for you. They can also do the exhaust as they do them for mid engine buggies.
Shifter go with an MR2 up front and then a kit from here. And grab this from http://zerodecibelmotorsports.com/products/bell-crank-mechanism-5spd/
Or you can look in the classifieds and a cold water kit might show up there 
That is pretty much it, for the fast track.
Tangerine racing for the roll cage btw.
Posted by: mepstein Jun 26 2017, 07:39 PM
If you only have a month, then you need to buy a completed car nversion and use the month to sort it. It takes months (many) just to sorce the parts.
Posted by: Fastmover Jun 26 2017, 08:21 PM
914forme,
thank you for the pointers, I did see the smallcar mount using the factory engine bar and I may very well go that route, but if I can find a cradle already made, I would prefer that. I'm hoping to come across a solution that keeps me from having to make one myself strictly due to time considerations.
I will be making the cage myself while I'm waiting on parts to arrive.
I'm picking up the engine and stinger and other goodies from A&P Mech, that takes care of many hurdles, I will keep his engine as a spare for the engine I already have.
mepstein, True in regards to buying someone elses project, but I learned a long time ago, that usually has its own challenges, plus I'm very picky on quality of work, so some things I'd rather do on my own.
Besides this challenge of completing this build in a months time and then putting it through a crucible like a 24hr endurance race just seems to be a healthy challenge!!!
At this moment I need to source 5 lug conversion, axles and wheels.
Posted by: Fastmover Jun 26 2017, 08:28 PM
original post updated with the thread of the chassis we picked up for this challenge.
Posted by: A&P Mech Jun 27 2017, 05:55 AM
Take a look at Jim Kelly's thread. He is working on a cradle. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=265392&st=180
For five lug conversion parts, suspension and everything brake related check out PMB. Eric Shea is the owner of the business and one of the most amazing people I have ever done business with. The quality and customer service he provides is unmatched by any company that I have ever worked with before. http://www.pmbperformance.com/catalog.html
Take a look at 914Rubber. Great guys and a good selection of parts.
http://www.914rubber.com
Send a PM to Rnellums if you need a transmission block off plate or a hydraulic clutch mounting bracket.
Posted by: Fastmover Jun 27 2017, 01:55 PM
Can anybody that has don't the cable shift set up tell me if my measured
cable length sounds correct? I'm coming up with 86-88 inches?
does that sound reasonable? what length did y'all come up with?
Posted by: jimkelly Jun 27 2017, 04:13 PM
cable lengths
this guy just did it and said 7' +-
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=310492
Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jun 27 2017, 04:25 PM
1 month? 
Post lots of pictures.
Posted by: A&P Mech Jun 27 2017, 05:07 PM
Ross and his roommate did a full EZ30D conversion in less than month and drove the car from Denver to last year's RRC. 
I agree, take lots of pictures! ![popcorn[1].gif](style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
Posted by: Fastmover Jun 27 2017, 06:18 PM
cable lengths
this guy just did it and said 7' +-
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=310492
Thanks jimkelly!
My measurement that I came up with was 85" so one inch difference isn't too bad.
I ordered from this place, cables, linkage and it comes with a shifter designed together as a complete set.
http://cableshift.com/Subaru/subaru%20page.html
By the way A&PMech suggested I reach out to you in regards to a cradle, are you making cradles? If so can I order one? I read your thread and have seen your design and believe it would work well.
Posted by: Fastmover Jun 27 2017, 06:56 PM
1 month?
Post lots of pictures.HaHa........ Thanks for the support! LoL
I' will take tons of pics for sure
Posted by: flmont Jun 27 2017, 09:59 PM
Well he is a fastmover ,..Good Luck,..!!!
Posted by: Fastmover Jun 28 2017, 08:23 AM
Well he is a fastmover ,..Good Luck,..!!!
Thank you!
Posted by: jimkelly Jun 28 2017, 05:26 PM
your cradle is humming along but i am running out of steam 
at least it will be far along for when i can get back to it on wed the 5th.
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Posted by: Fastmover Jun 28 2017, 09:35 PM
your cradle is humming along but i am running out of steam
at least it will be far along for when i can get back to it on wed the 5th.
looking good!!
Posted by: jimkelly Jun 29 2017, 06:30 AM
look forward to hearing what you come up with with axles. bigkat and sawtooth and others have used dutchman to respline one end of the subaru axle and change its overall length as well.
see post 324
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=87326&st=300
but your length and maybe even number of splines may vary.
jim
Posted by: Fastmover Jun 29 2017, 08:46 AM
look forward to hearing what you come up with with axles. bigkat and sawtooth and others have used dutchman to respline one end of the subaru axle and change its overall length as well.
see post 324
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=87326&st=300
but your length and maybe even number of splines may vary.
jim
I came across this thread from PMB, and is what I'm planning on doing, just waiting on the 5mt transmission to arrive so I can measure the distance between output flange to output, and compare to the same measurement on the stock tranny, so I can confirm if these 20.25 axles will work or if I need a different length
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=91963
https://swayaway.com/product/axle-set-porsche-930-20-14-long-28-spline/
Posted by: jimkelly Jun 29 2017, 09:19 AM
there is also this thread which i think is a less expensive conversion?
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=80641
but both threads are porsche to porsche i believe.
Posted by: Fastmover Jun 29 2017, 11:52 AM
there is also this thread which i think is a less expensive conversion?
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=80641
but both threads are porsche to porsche i believe.
Thanks jimkelly, I'll look into this route also!
Posted by: A&P Mech Jun 29 2017, 05:08 PM
I dropped the ball on the axle info. 
I will try to dig it up and get it to you.
Posted by: Fastmover Jun 29 2017, 06:24 PM
I dropped the ball on the axle info.
I will try to dig it up and get it to you.no worries, I haven't pulled the trigger on axles yet!
Posted by: wndsrfr Jun 29 2017, 08:13 PM
Check this out for your 5 lug parts....
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=312129
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 10 2017, 07:24 PM
all done except for welding on the trans bracket.
ideally you car will have 4 of these mounts.
Hardware Installation Kit for Bulkhead Motor Mount Kit BK-MNT-001 (includes mounts)
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/SuperCat/5893/POR_5893_ENGMIS_pg3.htm#item8
my guess is bdstone914 might have some for sale used and cheap.
it's done
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Posted by: jimkelly Jul 15 2017, 05:24 PM
i visited gabe's shop today, full of nice cars. engine is suby but is not the one going into the car. here are a few pics of his project. anyone inn the VIR area can mark their calendars for aug 10/11 when this car will be raced for 24 hours there.
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Posted by: Fastmover Jul 15 2017, 08:52 PM
i visited gabe's shop today, full of nice cars. engine is suby but is not the one going into the car. here are a few pics of his project. anyone inn the VIR area can mark their calendars for aug 10/11 when this car will be raced for 24 hours there.
Jim
It was nice meeting you today, and thank you for bringing the cradle you made with you!
It came out nice and will make this conversion easier! Anyone thinking of completing this type of swap should grab a cradle from Jim while he still makes them!!!
I'll post more Pics soon
Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Aug 4 2017, 06:23 PM
Hows it going? You guys going to make VIR?
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