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Posted by: Racer Chris Jun 26 2017, 01:54 PM
This came off an engine while the car was on our lift
Any thoughts?
Posted by: gms Jun 26 2017, 01:56 PM
Is it a 4 cylinder with an air pump? there is a rubber piece I have seen that attaches to the fan hub
Posted by: gms Jun 26 2017, 01:57 PM
like this
Posted by: Racer Chris Jun 26 2017, 03:29 PM
like this
Thanks for playing.
Who's next?
I'll add a hint. It's definitely aftermarket.
Posted by: Krieger Jun 26 2017, 04:35 PM
Obviously belongs in a museum of modern art. Some people pay big money for those!
Posted by: Perry Kiehl Jun 26 2017, 05:47 PM
It's part of a weather seal
Posted by: Racer Chris Jun 26 2017, 06:10 PM
It's part of a weather seal
It was a seal of a sort.
Posted by: Steve Jun 26 2017, 06:25 PM
Home Depot foam in a can to fill a hole?
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 26 2017, 06:27 PM
Looks like it may be a piece of the factory goo at the mitered corners of the engine tin perimeter rubber gasket at the tin-engine shelf. AKA "bituminous rope caulk"
Posted by: yellow75 Jun 26 2017, 06:40 PM
engine booger.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jun 26 2017, 06:52 PM
Was it visible/accessible only when on the lift ?
Posted by: Racer Chris Jun 26 2017, 09:33 PM
Was it visible/accessible only when on the lift ?
We were looking in the engine compartment.
It was even hard to see with the car on the lift. We couldn't tell what it was until it fell out.
It's harder than any rubber or caulk.
Posted by: Frankvw Jun 26 2017, 10:40 PM
A protective cap on a live wire ? Like the ones you see on modern cars protecting/hiding the battery + side where wire meets terminal ?
(But then of course melted turning it into carbonlike hardness)
Posted by: Spoke Jun 27 2017, 04:52 AM
I saw this on TV on the infomercial with that guy Phil who cuts the boat in half then tapes it back together. It's a new product to improve compression and stop leaks on old engines. You can put it on the outside of the engine where there's a leak of any type.
Or you can put it in the intake to get sucked into the combustion chamber to seal rings. Once in the cylinder, it rummages around inside like a person chewing dentyne gum to clean your teeth. Putting it in the intake may take longer to get into the combustion chamber so the quick way is to remove a spark plug and insert it directly into the combustion chamber with a chopstick.
Posted by: Porschef Jun 27 2017, 05:40 AM
That's exactly what I did, worked great!
Posted by: BillC Jun 27 2017, 06:41 AM
Where does it go?
In the trash.
I guess the bigger questions are: where did it come from and what was it supposed to do?
Posted by: Racer Chris Jun 27 2017, 07:10 AM
Where does it go?
In the trash.
I guess the bigger questions are: where did it come from and what was it supposed to do?
Yes, you are absolutely correct.
Although Spoke's answer was very close. The Dapo may have gotten the idea from watching an infomercial.
Posted by: Racer Chris Jun 27 2017, 07:16 AM
This is where we first saw it.
The purpose was even more nefarious than we first guessed.
Posted by: Racer Chris Jun 27 2017, 07:19 AM
The camshaft thrust bearing is right behind this pocket
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jun 27 2017, 08:18 AM
To 'repair' a crack (and oil leak !) in the block due to a overtightened sump plate.
Posted by: Racer Chris Jun 27 2017, 08:27 AM
To 'repair' a crack (and oil leak !) in the block due to a overtightened sump plate.
That's not the center stud. More likely the case was bolted up with the cam bearing out of position, but even that's hard to believe.
The visible crack is horizontal, oil comes out at a steady rate, along the center of the bearing saddle.
I measured another case. The saddle is 3/8" thick there.
Now the $5000 question. Can it be repaired satisfactorily without a full teardown?
Or should I just tell the new owner the engine is junk?
Posted by: Valy Jun 27 2017, 08:34 AM
To 'repair' a crack (and oil leak !) in the block due to a overtightened sump plate.
That's not the center stud. More likely the case was bolted up with the cam bearing out of position, but even that's hard to believe.
The visible crack is horizontal, oil comes out at a steady rate, along the center of the bearing saddle.
I measured another case. The saddle is 3/8" thick there.
Now the $5000 question. Can it be repaired satisfactorily without a full teardown?
Or should I just tell the new owner the engine is junk?
Just ask the owner if he has more of that magic black glue and move on...
Posted by: McMark Jun 27 2017, 11:03 AM
Not really. The flange bearing is a tight fit into the camshaft and if the crank turns slightly while assembling the case halves it can cause the two cam bearings to overlap. I'm extremely diligent about this when I put case halves together and I've caught it trying to do this multiple times.
But if that's what happened, the case is trash. No cost effective fix. And nothing you can do without disassembly that would be reliable in the long run. Plus if it was the cam bearings, then those bearings are TOAST as well. Nothing about that says salvageable.
Posted by: Mark Henry Jun 27 2017, 02:22 PM
I've seen it all but that's a new one even to me.
I had a guy come in with a leaking bug engine , leaking right from the top of the case. Chipped out the devcon and yep... great big fork'in hole.
A PO had thrown a rod, fixed the case with devcon and put her back together.
Posted by: Racer Chris Jun 28 2017, 07:06 PM
Not really. The flange bearing is a tight fit into the camshaft and if the crank turns slightly while assembling the case halves it can cause the two cam bearings to overlap.
...
What I meant is that it's hard to believe someone torqued down the case to the point of breakage in that location, not that the bearing could move and become overlapped.
I've already found another crankcase to work with.
Posted by: Racer Chris Aug 8 2017, 01:27 PM
Teardown is done.
Here's the crack from the inside.
Posted by: 11tenths Aug 8 2017, 02:11 PM
JB Weld
-Harry
Posted by: Racer Chris Aug 8 2017, 03:02 PM
JB Weld
-Harry
It's yours for the cost of shipping if you feel like trying, Harry.
Posted by: Ed_Turbo Aug 8 2017, 04:31 PM
Where does it go?
In the trash.
I guess the bigger questions are: where did it come from and what was it supposed to do?
Cheap fix for a neglected engine kinda like exercise pants for a married woman.
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