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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ 1975 914 1.8L - 3,192 miles
Posted by: Cal Jul 6 2017, 09:42 AM
If valid, this might be the lowest mileage 914 on the planet....it should be interesting to see what it brings at the RM auction next month.
http://www.rmsothebys.com/mo17/monterey/lots/1975-porsche-914-18/1703704
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Posted by: 914Sixer Jul 6 2017, 09:51 AM
Interesting. Why is the front hood bowed? Forgot to close it for pictures?
Posted by: bretth Jul 6 2017, 11:26 AM
Very pretty. Interesting that some have the square defroster switch between the seats and other have the round switch in the dash like mine has.
Posted by: Ed_Turbo Jul 6 2017, 11:41 AM
Are we taking bets? I say 11.5k 
Posted by: euro911 Jul 6 2017, 12:00 PM
Posted by: mepstein Jul 6 2017, 12:04 PM
I think someone posted this car a year ago. Nice!
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 6 2017, 12:13 PM
I am sure this is the same car: 42 large a few years ago...
http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/zRS_42000_2013Jun.pdf
Posted by: euro911 Jul 6 2017, 01:18 PM
http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/zRS_42000_2013Jun.pdf
Posted by: bretth Jul 6 2017, 01:49 PM
I am sure this is the same car: 42 large a few years ago...
http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/zRS_42000_2013Jun.pdf
Wow that is very high for 2013. Can't imagine it goes for that much now. I'd rather have a shabby but driveable -6 for that money.
Posted by: SKL1 Jul 6 2017, 01:59 PM
Weird that the info says it has AC, but the pictures sure don't show it, either in front trunk or interior...
Posted by: Racer Jul 6 2017, 03:35 PM
Curious about the price but never a 914 combo I've ever wanted... Heaviest, slowest model ever.
Posted by: DennisO Jul 6 2017, 07:03 PM
I just bought a 1975 1.8l project that was built in 1/75. This low mileage car was built in 12/74. My gauge cluster dash does not have the EGR and CAT lights. Did a previous owner remove them from my dash or did Porsche remove them?
Posted by: bretth Jul 6 2017, 07:06 PM
I just bought a 1975 1.8l project that was built in 1/75. This low mileage car was built in 12/74. My gauge cluster dash does not have the EGR and CAT lights. Did a previous owner remove them from my dash or did Porsche remove them?
I think that is the California only EGR version. My 1975 1.8 doesn't have them either. There is also a device that counts the miles until the catalyst needs replacement and that turns the light on. Can see the extra egr stuff in the engine pictures.
Posted by: euro911 Jul 6 2017, 07:15 PM
I replaced the plastic gauge panel with an earlier metal one on my '75 and ditched the lights ... running carbs with early 2.0L SSI HE. The mileage counter box is gone as well 
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 6 2017, 08:05 PM
I just bought a 1975 1.8l project that was built in 1/75. This low mileage car was built in 12/74. My gauge cluster dash does not have the EGR and CAT lights. Did a previous owner remove them from my dash or did Porsche remove them?
You must have a 49-state model then. Those dash lights were for CA-only models.
Many of the high value low-mile 914s turn out to be 1.8L cars for some reason. Value seems related more to condition than any other factor -engine size, color, or model year.
Posted by: DennisO Jul 6 2017, 08:49 PM
Interesting. Is there a way to distinguish between a Calif car and the rest of the USA? The PET catalog only shows one option for the gauge panel.
Posted by: SKL1 Jul 6 2017, 10:32 PM
Have to admit the only thing that interests me about that car is the low mileage, assuming it is solid. Otherwise, as noted above, it is about the least desireable 914, other than maybe a 1970 without the appearance group with 4 1/2" steelies!
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 6 2017, 10:56 PM
Interesting. Is there a way to distinguish between a Calif car and the rest of the USA? The PET catalog only shows one option for the gauge panel.
Some info is on this page, there is more.
http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/Emissions.htm
Posted by: moldygreg Jul 7 2017, 06:31 PM
What's the sticker on the steering wheel?
Posted by: Racer Jul 7 2017, 07:03 PM
What's the sticker on the steering wheel?
Starting procedure. Beginning in 1974 with the seat belt interlock system, you had to have the belt buckled before the car would start. I recall seeing one somewhere else recently.. Essentially, sit down, buckle up, start car.
Posted by: Racer Jul 7 2017, 07:04 PM
Have to admit the only thing that interests me about that car is the low mileage, assuming it is solid. Otherwise, as noted above, it is about the least desireable 914, other than maybe a 1970 without the appearance group with 4 1/2" steelies!
Nah.. I'd rather have the stripper '70 on steelies with Hubcaps please!
Posted by: My 914 Jul 7 2017, 07:46 PM
So does a 40+ year old engine with 3000 or so miles last another 60, 80 or 100 thousand miles without much trouble? In other words, do the low miles give it some inherent longevity or does its age mean that it will need major service sooner than later.
Posted by: Perry Kiehl Jul 8 2017, 06:12 AM
My 914, that is a collector car that may not ever get started. It's worth a lot because of the mileage, and at least two people that can afford to bid it up.
Posted by: euro911 Jul 8 2017, 09:33 AM
... and it appears to only have amassed an additional 212 miles on it since it sold in June of 2013.
Posted by: orthobiz Jul 8 2017, 05:53 PM
From what I remember, CA and VA had those little extra bumperettes on the front and back, could distinguish cars delivered to those states.
Paul
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 8 2017, 06:48 PM
It was CA and MD that had the bumperguards.
Here is a brochure with the differences for the 1975-76 cars:
http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/zMan_1975_Service&TrainingManual.pdf
Posted by: Ed_Turbo Jul 26 2017, 06:37 PM
Estimated at 40-50k without reserve.
18-19 August 2017 ...save the date. There are some nice vehicles in the lot.
Posted by: Dave_Darling Jul 27 2017, 05:21 PM
A quick note to the auctioneers got a response:
- There is no center console, just the armrest or cushion. (Odd terminology, but whatever.)
- There is air conditioning, but it was uninstalled. The parts will come with the car. They did not specify what work was done to the car when the system was removed, but the PO told them it was removed because the installation was "amateurish".
- They are "confident" that the car actually has 3000-odd miles, and that the odometer has not rolled over, from interviews with people who knew the car and service records and such.
--DD
Posted by: maf914 Jul 28 2017, 07:17 AM
A quick note to the auctioneers got a response:
- There is no center console, just the armrest or cushion. (Odd terminology, but whatever.)
- There is air conditioning, but it was uninstalled. The parts will come with the car. They did not specify what work was done to the car when the system was removed, but the PO told them it was removed because the installation was "amateurish".
- They are "confident" that the car actually has 3000-odd miles, and that the odometer has not rolled over, from interviews with people who knew the car and service records and such.
--DD
Apparently the car had dealer installed A/C which was later removed, which means it has the typical dealer inflicted mutilations to the body. These include chopped engine shelf and engine cooling tins for the oversize York compressor, chopped front trunk floor for the condenser, and multiple holes cut for various A/C hoses and wiring. It would be interesting to see how these were dealt with after the A/C removal.
Posted by: Ed_Turbo Jul 28 2017, 11:00 AM
I think you guys are missing the point. This was largely a showroom kept vehicle and it is very hard to find this little fella in such good original condition.
Who thinks there is even a little bit of rust lurking? I bet there is.
Posted by: My 914 Jul 28 2017, 12:43 PM
It's a pretty car. I hope whoever buys it drives it at least occasionally. It's a nostalgic representation of the Porsche brand and it would be good for people to see it.
Posted by: porschetub Jul 28 2017, 06:54 PM
HHHmmm..not really sure,unless its been recomissioned properly it would be a maintenance nightmare,cars are made to be driven,bought a really low mileage vehicle years ago and it was a total PITA ...huge issues ,folks say stuff like it needs nothing cause it only has low mileage,thats rubbish as there is no way to store an unused car for a long period without resulting issues.
Also hardly a year build that people are really attracted too.
Posted by: Ed_Turbo Aug 17 2017, 05:27 PM
HHHmmm..not really sure,unless its been recomissioned properly it would be a maintenance nightmare,cars are made to be driven,bought a really low mileage vehicle years ago and it was a total PITA ...huge issues ,folks say stuff like it needs nothing cause it only has low mileage,thats rubbish as there is no way to store an unused car for a long period without resulting issues.
Also hardly a year build that people are really attracted too.
Thanks!
Tomorrow is the day see how the market is for these 914's. I am thinking they will not sell as much as the 6's right now. Check it out live on their website.
Posted by: iwanta914-6 Aug 18 2017, 08:40 PM
$85K? WTF?!?!
Posted by: 914Next Aug 18 2017, 08:46 PM
$85K? WTF?!?!
https://www.facebook.com/chad.comeau.1/videos/10212265329122298/
Posted by: Dave_Darling Aug 18 2017, 08:57 PM
That is insane. That much money for a car with replacement body panels???
--DD
Posted by: Mueller Aug 18 2017, 09:14 PM
$85K? WTF?!?!
Holy moly, I'm increasing the coverage on my car!
Posted by: euro911 Aug 18 2017, 10:49 PM
Are used parts prices really going to go out of control now?
Posted by: Ed_Turbo Aug 18 2017, 11:06 PM
Posted by: Mueller Aug 18 2017, 11:11 PM
Are used parts prices really going to go out of control now?
Maybe that guy down in SoCal with the $1.5 million asking price for his inventory of used parts will finally find a buyer.
Posted by: Ed_Turbo Aug 18 2017, 11:30 PM
That is insane. That much money for a car with replacement body panels???
--DD
Replacement body panels? Read the catalog.
Posted by: bretth Aug 19 2017, 05:33 AM
Suddenly the six is the bargain 914. I have a 75 1.8. Anyone wanna trade up their 6 for my four? Still a few <$1500 914s for sale around here maybe time to start hording.
Brett
Posted by: Edward Blume Aug 19 2017, 05:45 AM
I would have guessed $50-60K, but the buyer wanted the car I guess. I wonder if he (or she) will reinstall the A/C? 
Posted by: My 914 Aug 19 2017, 06:09 AM
Sometimes auctions will bring bargains for buyers and sometimes, as I think happened in this case, prices are driven up if someone with the money decides they really want the car.
Posted by: Cal Aug 19 2017, 06:28 AM
Here's the car when porboy owned it back in 2013.....it still had the A/C installed.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=208478&hl=
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Posted by: Big Len Aug 19 2017, 09:17 AM
Auction prices are driven by at least two people who want the car, in this case, two crazy people. Wow.
Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 19 2017, 09:31 AM
Rediculus. That's without buyer's premium, yes?
Posted by: dlkawashima Aug 19 2017, 09:50 AM
Here's the car when porboy owned it back in 2013.....it still had the A/C installed.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=208478&hl=
Porboy was the owner that removed the A/C. Here is another thread with more pictures of the car:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=242321
$85,000 is amazing ... double what I thought it could fetch.
Posted by: My 914 Aug 19 2017, 09:58 AM
Is that the highest price paid for a 4 cylinder 914?
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Aug 19 2017, 10:12 AM
So this car sold in 2013 for $42K. I found another auction result for it in Nov 2016 for $40,700. And now for $85K.
Amazing.
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Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 19 2017, 10:21 AM
I could see this price if it was a more desirable year and didn't have the air conditioning issues. There must have been two swinging di*ks fighting it out trying to get it.
It's a neat car, just not my cup of tea.
Posted by: Dave_Darling Aug 19 2017, 10:47 AM
Replacement body panels? Read the catalog.
I did. Air conditioning installed, and then removed. That means body panels cut and then repaired with new REPLACEMENT metal.
An overpriced car with replacement panels. Absurd.
--DD
Posted by: My 914 Aug 19 2017, 01:30 PM
Crazy things happen when people make decisions with their ego as opposed to their brain.
Posted by: Ed_Turbo Aug 19 2017, 02:35 PM
Replacement body panels? Read the catalog.
I did. Air conditioning installed, and then removed. That means body panels cut and then repaired with new REPLACEMENT metal.
An overpriced car with replacement panels. Absurd.
--DD
Excuse me sir I apologize if I offended you.
I did not know that. Wow, I bet the buyer was unaware.
Posted by: horizontally-opposed Aug 19 2017, 03:54 PM
Irrational exuberance? Well sold? Or well bought? Only one thing is clear: This transaction made sense to at least two people in the moment.
We'll get a better measure of everything else in time. It will be interesting to see how other super low mile 914s do in the next 12-36 months—especially 1973-1974 2.0 cars—before saying this is a real benchmark. But...it sure seems to be something of a new high-water mark. I can't get my head around a 1975 1.8 for this kind of money, or any 914-4 for that matter. I love 914s, but that's GT4 money. 996 GT3 money. 987.2 Boxster Spyder money. Decent 911T money. Nice 912 money. Brand new and nicely equipped 718 money—or loaded Macan money. Used 997 or 991 money. For a 1975 914 1.8 you can't drive without killing the very thing that makes it worth what you paid—for a hot minute in 2017.
Okay, maybe one other thing is clear: A lot of people have very, very fond memories of their 914s or those of their friends/parents/coworkers/etc. Even so, I am still reeling at this price. We can be sure it will be in a lot of the auction reports. Will be curious to see what the usual auction pundits have to say about it.
Posted by: Michael N Aug 19 2017, 09:06 PM
Russo and Steele right next door to RM auctions just sold this /6 tonight for $105k. I think some watching were surprised because the 1999 F355 Ferrari before it was about $40k less. 
Posted by: SchwarzHorse Aug 20 2017, 10:13 AM
That $85,000 hammer selling price is great news for my lighter, faster, better looking '73 914S Black-Edition ! 
Posted by: mepstein Aug 20 2017, 10:46 AM
Buyer thought it was a six?
Posted by: plays with cars Aug 20 2017, 10:58 AM
Wow! The 914 has finally arrived on the collector scene.
Posted by: Big Len Aug 20 2017, 12:12 PM
Wow! The 914 has finally arrived on the collector scene.
This ends the debate.
Posted by: mepstein Aug 20 2017, 02:18 PM
Wow! The 914 has finally arrived on the collector scene.
Maybe but one sale doesn't make a trend.
Posted by: iwanta914-6 Aug 21 2017, 10:15 AM
I guess I should go buy this local '75 1.8L!
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/cto/d/for-sale-1975-porsche-914/6244985955.html
Posted by: boxsterfan Aug 21 2017, 11:30 AM
Seems like the actual 3,xxx original miles on the car played into the $85K bid. 3,xxx original miles!!! 
Posted by: 7TPorsh Aug 21 2017, 12:54 PM
How can you even validate the mileage on these? Easy to just swap out a speedo.....did the factory seal or paint the connections like they do now? tamper proofing?
I am sure there are cases where cars may have these super low miles but I always wonder...
Posted by: Big Len Aug 21 2017, 01:17 PM
Wow! The 914 has finally arrived on the collector scene.
Maybe but one sale doesn't make a trend.
True, but there's a lot of evidence a trend has started. Pano magazine's numerous 914 articles, the rapid rise of in the cost of NOS parts, Amelia Island honors the marque, the increase in cars for sale over $15K and sold cars over $20K. A lot of views have changed about our little cars. It seems safe for big time collectors and hard core Porsche people to admit they really like 914s.
Posted by: GregAmy Aug 21 2017, 01:21 PM
$93,500 with fees.
http://www.rmsothebys.com/mo17/monterey/lots/1975-porsche-914-18/1703704
Posted by: gereed75 Aug 21 2017, 07:01 PM
why do you think Amelia chose to "honor the marque"? Do you really think because they just loved 914's??
The guys in this business have to create demand for cars that are available and have appreciation potential. 914's represent a pool of potential cash flow - they are out there, they have room to appreciate - all you have to do is create demand.
Grist for the mill.
Posted by: Big Len Aug 21 2017, 08:30 PM
why do you think Amelia chose to "honor the marque"? Do you really think because they just loved 914's??
The guys in this business have to create demand for cars that are available and have appreciation potential. 914's represent a pool of potential cash flow - they are out there, they have room to appreciate - all you have to do is create demand.
Grist for the mill.
You really believe 914 demand is premeditated by what, some guys in an office tower somewhere after years of disparaging the car? That's too much of a conspiracy theory for me. I think the demand is grass roots basic.
Posted by: Ed_Turbo Aug 21 2017, 09:23 PM
How can you even validate the mileage on these? Easy to just swap out a speedo.....did the factory seal or paint the connections like they do now? tamper proofing?
I am sure there are cases where cars may have these super low miles but I always wonder...
That is why there is evidence to backup their claim bud. An auction like Sotheby's would not sell fradulent items like some shmuck on craigslist.
An auction site like Sotheby's, people have money to burn. I bet that had to do with the price. 3xxxx original miles is super rare though. Imagine if someone had a LE with that many original miles in that shape? Wow
Posted by: Dave_Darling Aug 21 2017, 09:40 PM
Excuse me sir I apologize if I offended you.
I'm not offended--I'm just grumpy...
--DD
Posted by: dlkawashima Aug 22 2017, 12:16 PM
I guess I should go buy this local '75 1.8L!
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/cto/d/for-sale-1975-porsche-914/6244985955.html
Maybe you should take a look at it ... you might be pleasantly surprised.
Posted by: Cal Oct 13 2017, 10:02 AM
Looks like Spike Feresten bought this car.....he just posted it on his Instagram page.
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Posted by: pete000 Oct 13 2017, 02:54 PM
Nice to see some mileage going on it after all these years of sitting in mothballs !
Posted by: My 914 Oct 13 2017, 03:01 PM
Looks as good as it did 42 years ago.
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