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Posted by: tat2dphreak May 15 2005, 08:18 AM

I saw these boge rear shocks on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=7974090158&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

are boges a comfy ride?

it looks like the perches for springs are missing... are these available?

anything's better than the KYBs I have right?!

Posted by: ArtechnikA May 15 2005, 09:08 AM

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ May 15 2005, 10:18 AM)
it looks like the perches for springs are missing... are these available?

anything's better than the KYBs I have right?!

i have had a couple of flavors of Boge on various cars and i thought they were fine for street use.

spring perches are never included with OEM dampers. they should be on your current dampers... swap them over. the part number you're looking for (near as i can tell...) is 914.333.521.01 -- they should be easily available.

i am no fan of KYB's ...

Posted by: mihai914 May 15 2005, 09:17 AM

Boge is the original type shock and it is much better than a KYB. As Rich said, it's a good shock for street use not as stiff as the KYB.

Mihai

Posted by: tat2dphreak May 15 2005, 09:33 AM

cool.
I know they aren't konis or Bils, but I can handle that until I have the $$ for Konis...

hopefully they will stay cheap

Posted by: smooth_eddy May 15 2005, 10:06 AM

Wayne.... I just sent you a PM.

Posted by: tat2dphreak May 15 2005, 04:32 PM

they KYBs have a plate on them, do you think that plate can be moved to the boges(if I am not outbid tonight)? if not I'll try to find a plate somewhere...

what else do I need to make the change complete? would heavier springs be better? since I am in there...

Posted by: ArtechnikA May 15 2005, 05:10 PM

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ May 15 2005, 06:32 PM)
they KYBs have a plate on them, do you think that plate can be moved to the boges...

"plate" ?

OEM spring perches can be "easily" transferred from one damper to another.

do you like the way your car handles now?
if yes, don't change stuff like springs.
if no - how would you like it to be different?

i agree the time to change springs is while you have the strut apart, but if you're not trying to affect the balance, don't tinker just for the hell of it...

just MHO.

Posted by: tat2dphreak May 15 2005, 08:14 PM

I haven't been lucky enough to drive it soon though... I was just curious how the much the springs would affect the ride... and since I was planning on having the shocks off, if I should get fresh springs too?

Plate was probably a bad term... perch is more correct I'm sure... if the perch cannot be moved from the KYBs I'll look into after market perches... any recomendation?

Posted by: mihai914 May 15 2005, 08:57 PM

The KYBs that I've seen have the spring perches welded to them. I think when people change over to those POS they toss the original perches. You will probably have to find some used ones to be able to use the Boge. If you are planning to change sooner than later to Koni or Bilstein then I would keep my money towards that. Plus you're in Texas, I don't know how the roads are but they can't be worse than Quebec!

Mihai

Posted by: tat2dphreak May 15 2005, 09:25 PM

if I get the boges, I won't change them THAT soon... I plan the car to be a street car only.. I don't think I'll ever be able to justify $600 konis on it...

streets here are hit and miss, some good, some BAD!

Posted by: tat2dphreak May 16 2005, 08:18 AM

ok, I got the rear shocks... other than finding some perches(any recommendations on aftermarket?) what else do I need in the rear?

also, I am going to do the fronts at the same time... a gracious member is selling me some used Bils for the front... what else should I do while up there? ball joints?

Posted by: ArtechnikA May 16 2005, 08:35 AM

in the back - contact the usual used-parts purveyors. HPH, EASY, dC Automotive. if you're using OEM springs on OEM dampers, use the stock perches.

in the front - before going too far down that path, MAKE SURE your damper inserts are compatible with your struts. some are more compatible than others, and Bilstein is the one i'm least familiar with on that score. this will probably involving knowing EXACTLY who manufactured your struts.

the As Long As list on front suspension can cover every wear item, and there are several levels of replacement part for most of the elastomeric stuff...

Posted by: tat2dphreak May 16 2005, 08:55 AM

I dunno if they are the OEM springs, how do I check?

Posted by: ArtechnikA May 16 2005, 08:57 AM

http://members.rennlist.com/chuxter/914CoilSprings.htm

Posted by: tat2dphreak May 16 2005, 09:32 AM

thanks Rich! I'll check them out, or just bite the bullet and get new springs too, so I know...

Pelican lists the stock perches at $170 each! from what I can see, new springs and some aftermarket perches are less than that... 150# springs on ebay all the time for <$60... unless I can find a member with an extra set of stockers

I'll also put ball-joints and bushings on my to-do list...

Posted by: ArtechnikA May 16 2005, 09:36 AM

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ May 16 2005, 11:32 AM)
Pelican lists the stock perches at $170 each!

and the show new S calipers at $2500 a set when they rarely bring more than $300 at a swap meet. i GAVE away my last pair, little did i suspect i shouldda asked $350/pr :-)

check with the used-parts places, or put a note in the classifieds. with all the guys uprating to aftermarket springs and Koni Yellows there must be a big stash of stockers out there...

Posted by: James Adams May 16 2005, 09:44 AM

I have a bunch of stock perches - you just have to make the drive over here and pull them apart (let me check, I may have a few that are off).

I have some springs you might be interested in also.

All these parts are for the bargain price of free...

Posted by: Mueller May 16 2005, 09:57 AM

QUOTE
or just bite the bullet and get new springs too, so I know...
.....why is it so hard for people to spend 10 minutes to take off their springs and measure them??

you might learn something and save some money

You should always know what you have and why you are changing things...........

Posted by: tat2dphreak May 16 2005, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (James Adams @ May 16 2005, 10:44 AM)
I have a bunch of stock perches - you just have to make the drive over here and pull them apart (let me check, I may have a few that are off).

I have some springs you might be interested in also.

All these parts are for the bargain price of free...

see... James knows the magic word to make me make the 1.5 hour drive: "FREE" although, "cheap" would have done the same...

I'll check with you on a good time to come over... I may not make it until the next weekend, on call this week :| I'll bring the assumed removing tool:

thanks James!!