Hi Everyone - Thanks for checking in on my Six. If you caught my other thread, Cairo's Six, http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=188776 you may have noticed my Six has been at ScottyB's shop in VA for a while and Scotty did a lot of work.
I am happy to report I picked up my car on the 22nd and it is now in Torrance, CA in the capable hands of Kent Simmons (914350). If you saw Andy's (Socalandy) and Jim's (banananose914) Six build threads, you are already familiar with Kent's work.
Kent accepted the challenge of finishing all of the metal work, body work and then painting my car. Kent will be assessing the condition of the car as received and getting to work. It is important at this point he knows what he is dealing with and everything is rock solid before the next evolution begins.
So stay tuned as my Six gathers speed.
So, for those that don't know, I am the guy in the gray T-shirt.
Looking forward to seeing the pictures and progress on your car's next step in the restoration (and completion!) process.
Glad you're getting it sorted with Kent, & hopefully you won't have too long of a wait from now. I've seen both Jim's & Andy's sixes, & I think you'll be more than satisfied with his work & attention to detail, as well as the timeliness of his work.
Besides, at least with it here on the Left Coast, you can more easily drive down & visit your baby from time to time!
Hey guys - Yeah, I have to admit, having my Six here in CA will be great. It is a easy 1 hour flight down to LA for visitation. I know I have to go down to pick up a bunch of stuff we will not be putting back on my car, the original Fuchs, heat exchangers, muffler, doors, engine lid, the 3.2 heat exchangers and muffler, etc. I will bring all of those home to get them out of the way. Yeah, this should be exciting.
OK, it took a serious effort but Scotty, my brother and I got my Six into the back of the 26' truck.
I am happy to hear its moving forward. I can't wait for updates
I'm looking forward to seeing the progress now. I've seen SoCalAndy's car and -- wow -- that's a stunner. I'm sure yours will be equally nice. But in its original gold, right? Please?
Wow. That's quite a trek to Virginia to pick up an unfinished project. Were you able to get all your stuff back? I hope things go better for you with Kent. From personal experience I believe they will. Good luck!
Hey Jim - Yeah, about 2,400 miles from Scotty's to Kent's. I got almost everything, missing a dip stick, some cad-plated parts and maybe a couple other things. Scotty will be shipping that stuff once I get a chance to do a full inventory and get him a list. The trip was uneventful (fortunately) and pretty much nothing happened to the car or the parts during transport. Trying to catch up after being gone for 5 days. Cheers- Michael
Here is the dolly Kent made out of some spare 2x4's and casters he had in his storage space in about 30 minutes to move my car around until it goes on the rotisserie.
Great to hear!!!!!
Michael N- Thanks. I am very excited to see it making progress again.
Porschetub - Yeah, there were no problems. These projects are definitely not for the weak of heart. Like anything else in life, you experience ups and downs and it teaches you to roll with the punches. I am not one to look backwards, serves no real purpose. I prefer to keep my eye on the ball and move forward. I wish Scotty nothing but the best.
OK, here it is coming out of the truck right before we lift it and set it on the new dolly. Kent had a couple friends from the neighboring shops come lend a hand and it was an easy lift for all- thank goodness.
Now finally you can paint it gold!
Let's hope Kent can get it into paint soon so you can build and drive the car before you die.
You are doing Adriatic Blue, right?
That is one of my favorite colors.....
So, here is how this works- my wife let me indulge this dream of mine and the price for that, (among many other things she got) is she got to pick the color. Amazingly, we were both in accord on the color choice.
I suspect the cat will be out of the bag pretty soon as Kent does not appear to be one to let things sit around. Kent was excited by our color choice.
Kent and me pushing the car into his shop.
So your 914 does exist. It's been at Scottys since I joined here. I thought it might be an aberration. Glad to see your "back on track" and more importantly that you took the "high road".
OK - Well here it is sitting in Kent's shop. I look forward to posting new photos as they arrive. I will try to load them smaller to see if I am able to add several per post to make it easier to view.
What is Kent's shops name?
Great to hear it's moving forward, Kent doesn't seem to hang about
Keep those pictures coming
You must be so pleased,ive got another month and my GT should be here in the UK
peteyd - Kent's shop is called Auto Art Customs in Torrance, CA.
Cool. Is Kent going to be able to build from the work already done, or does he have to go back over existing work? I hope not. That car needs to be on the road as soon as possible. Go Kent!
I have been following your build for a long time. As I have been working on my 6 #41 since I bought it in Jan of 2007. And I have been active on this board from 2007 till now with a couple of years where I had other things going on in my life and did not spend that much time on line.
As you know these complete restorations can take a very long time, as huge projects shall I say they ebb and flow?
My original color was cannery yellow and I battled whether to paint it my favorite metallic blue or the factory Cannery that it came down the line as. I have friends that think my six is not real in Utah at PMB Performance.
In the end I am not sure I did the right thing not going with my very favorite color.
You will go with what gives you the most joy. Yes everyone is dogging you with the color. I think the factory gold was a bit dark but rare.
I try to figure what will be the easiest to get out of when I sell it. Always have with cars.
ScottyB did a shit load of work on your body restoring it. His work looks great to this point. Very detailed. Look forward to seeing how it finishes up.
That's a great question Jim. I told Kent I fully understand, and quite frankly, expect, him to go over my whole car with a fine-toothed comb. He told me he needs to make absolutely sure all of the previous work was done correctly so we have a solid base to work from. It is my hope, and quite frankly my expectation, that all of the previous work was done correctly and to the level we all knew this car was being built to from the beginning.
The truth will come out, hopefully all good. And, just as I asked Scotty to do, I have asked Kent to photo-document all he finds and does as my car moves forward for paint. I have not and will not hide any of the ugliness, should it exist. Conversely, if this car gets a "gold" star (see what I did there?) from Kent and he can move right into finishing the metal work, body work and then paint, great. I will be a happy dude.
Hey Bob B. - Yes, Scotty did do a lot of work on my car. My position has always been to find the best guy and pay to have it done correctly the first time so you don't have to pay to have it done again. Scotty told me my car was 8-10 hours away from all metal work being completed, then minor body work for panel fitment and finally, color. (I am correcting that statement - Scotty told me 1-2 weeks away from metal work being completed - my mistake)
The last thing I want is to go through all of this to have my car finished and then two years down the road I end up with rust bubbles lifting the paint due to a failure to correctly repair, preserve and prepare my car for paint. So stay tuned, we will experience this together.
I got my first peek last night and we have our work cut out for us as with any resto!!! Looking forward to this one and getting you that gold star Michael
Those were TWO big hints right there that the car is NOT going to be painted gold.
I received some photos taken by Andy when he visited my car (thank you very much). These are closer, focused images, of the work. As Andy said, this is going to be a lot more work than I had hoped for. I think I need a
On the bright side, my car is in California now.
Does this mean there is room for me now ?
Oh no.. That's not what I was hoping to see..
Well, it is what it is. Kent will be the judge of the quality of the work.
Michael - I'm glad your moving forward.
The light is showing off everything. You have to decide just how much you want to spend to primo out your car. If you want a show car body on it could cost you a lot of money. At least you are going with a light color that will hide some of the problems.
My 6 had what I think was a superb body with basically no rust and it still cost $20,000 to get to a show quality paint job from a point after new floors where welded in.
Thanks Cal - I appreciate that. I am hoping this is the worst of it.
That is not good.... makes me sick to my stomach , actually.
Man, this is going to be lots of anxiety until Kent identifies and addresses all of the problems. I had hoped those days were in the rear view mirror after all of the work I had done.
It's inspiring to see you push forward. I'm looking forward to seeing this done!
At least we are here to talk you off of the ledge.
Wow...... so let me step in to address a couple things here
Michael. I NEVER told you there were only 8-10 hours of metal work left. What I told you was that you had a credit on the books and I guessed ( I don't keep my Quickbooks data in my head ) that it was 8-10 hours of work I owed you and I needed to check on that. What I recall telling you as far as the metal work is that there was a week or two left on the metal work. The repairs to your drivers door alone that need to be done are close to that 8-10 hour mark, not to mention the other work it still needs.
Per the front end mess----- You and I had a very frank phone call over a year ago about this very situation. It was to stay between you and I, but now that these pics are being posted with no explanation I need to refresh your memory and let the cat out of the bag......... As I told you in that phone call, I had an employee that I let work on your car while I was trying to deal with my personal issues. IIRC I had the front end and rear cut off, I believe I had the trunk fitted and asked him if he could finish fitting, and weld it all together. He assured me he could. Once he was done and I looked it over, I realized that I had made a major mistake having him work on it. I told you ALL of this on the phone, I told you I was going to have to re-do what he did as soon as I was back on my feet, and that is where that was left. I had been spending time ( as little as it was ) when I had a few hours trying to iron out his mess. For this I have explained and apologized to you repeatedly. I COMPLETELY understand where you were with the project and wanting it done, but I can assure you had I finished it, it would NOT have been finalized in that condition.
Per the mess on the roll bar------ THAT was on the car when I first stripped it. It was an old repair that had not been dealt with and I am fairly certain I even posted pics of that very spot in the initial thread along with some of the other messes I uncovered. This car was taken out of my shop in partial condition on very short notice so no, I didn't finish things I had started on and am quite disheartened to find out from other friends and customers this morning that I was being thrown under the bus. There was, and is a lot left to be done. I in no way indicated I was done with any single aspect of this job. There are cuts left to be welded, welds left to be finished, hammer and dollying left to be done, panels need to be fitted etc.
I don't mean to thread jack, but glad you chimed in, now I feel like crap for not doing a build thread on my car and showing the excellent work you did on my car. I need to get off my duff and upload some info/timeline/pictures in a new thread.
Not many car shops I trust (that I've used) other than Scotty, WillsWerks, and Tim Berrardelli Racing ...aside from all the amazing suppliers here 914Rubber, Mb911, Rich Johnson, & various others I'll thank in my future thread)
Helllooooo Scott! I don't harbor any hate toward you. I don't know you and you don't know me. I have seen your work though and although I don't necessarily have a dog in the race, per se, if someone says they're going to do something to a particular degree, they should do it. I know that in my line of work, that if something doesen't go right, or as I had planned, I'm expected to own up to my shortcomings. I don't have the luxury of putting the blame off to an employee or some outside ailment or force. It's your shop though. Your employees are an extension of your shop and vice versa.
I think you have to agree that five years there is a little too long. With or without an ailment, life challenge or a sub par employee(s). I understand things happen. But you have a business to run. Do it like it appears you once knew how, and move on.
I do hope things get better for you. If you ever make a wrong turn and end up in California, call me. I'll buy you a beer or ten. I mean that sincerely. We both have the same interest, that being 914's. I won't be posting any derogatory posts about you or Cairo's car any longer. I do look forward to any progress on the car. Jim.
Hi Scotty - This "Part 2" was not intended as a "throw you under the bus thread". I explained to you I would be closing the old thread and starting a new thread documenting the remainder of the build.
You are right about the 8-10 hours. That was what you said you still owed me to balance the time sheet. That was my mistake. I also believe you said you had a week or two of metal work left before the car was ready for final body work, blocking and primer which was to have been done by the end of May (2017), so you could then paint it in July. I accept responsibility for those omissions.
You are also right about telling me about the employee who did less that proper work on the front end. I recall you told me you had to take it all apart to correct it. I then remember seeing photos of the front of the car with no fenders on it. I guess, absent additional information from you when I picked the car up, I assumed since the finders were on you had corrected that work.
You and I did speak, as you mentioned, about the fact someone other than you worked on my car- you told me from day one you would be the only one working on my car as you knew the level of work I was expecting and to guarantee my car was done correctly you would be the only one touching my car. Then your employee worked on it. To your credit, you did own up to all of that and I appreciated that then and still do now. You did apologize many times for that as well.
I have just posted photos of the car as it sits. I let the pictures pretty much do the talking. I have, other than expressing disappointment over the appearance of the work done, really not commented, other than to say that whatever needs to be corrected will be corrected and I am moving forward.
I will continue to post pictures as the car moves along. That has been the purpose of my entire build thread. To educate others about what happens when you take an old Porsche and decide to restore it. I see to many projects get started and die on the rotisserie when people realize they have fallen into the deep end of the pool because they never realized so much work and attention to detail is necessary on these builds.
I don't have time for negativity in my life so I choose not to go there. I can not, however, moderate the comments of others.
I believe I gave you 2 weeks notice I was coming to get my Six and all of the parts- I thought that was plenty of time to get ready. I apologize if that put you in a bind.
You specifically called out Jim and Mark. All I can tell you is Jim, aside from being one of the nicest and most gracious guys I have ever met, owns 2 sixes. I have seen both of Jim's cars and his Tangerine Six is 99% finished and completely done to concours standards. His other Six, his "driver", is in better condition than most Sixes on the road today. Jim's Tangerine Six is the bench mark for all to aspire to and the standard I hope and pray my car reaches.
Jim has been to Kent's shop and seen my car in person. I believe he is commenting based upon his personal knowledge and experience after seeing Kent do the metal, body and finish work on his Six. Additionally, he has of course followed my thread from day one to see the photos of the work done. Jim has offered, with no personal motivation of which I am aware, other than to help out another Six owner, to help me finish my car in any way he can. I am absolutely blown away by his generosity, sincerity and integrity. It is people like him who make this Site and 914 ownership a pleasure.
Mark is just another terrific guy who has helped me out on my build several times. No motive other than to help a fellow 914 owner out. I do not know anything about his build other than seeing his car when I was at your shop about 2 years ago and then it leaving your shop unfinished maybe a year ago or so. Mark will comment if he feels it appropriate, but I don't have a horse in that race.
We parted as friends and I hope to remain that way.
None of us know what your contract with Scotty was, or how much money was paid. Seeing the pics of the car, if you paid $1,000, you did all right. If you paid him $10,000, you didn't do so good.
Keeping it positive from here on out, I was at Jim's Sunday assembly party today. Watching the re-assembly, fitting and adjustment of parts was amazing. Your car is in very capable hands. These guys are experts. You will be all smiles from here on....
Thanks. That is my goal.
Michael, I want to thank you for helping to clear things up. We parted ways on Saturday as friends and as far as I am concerned still are. My commitment to making sure the car gets done still stands if there is any way I can help. I was concerned about where the car may end up, but when you told me where it was going I had no worries. I know the car is now in very capable hands.
Brian had been a good friend of mine for years prior to my hiring him, and after all of this, a close friend became a distant acquaintance because of this issue and some others he caused. This past weekend was the first weekend I have taken off in 3 months, and to be alerted in the middle of it by several customers and friends as to what was going on in this thread put me in a bad way. This whole issue with the front end and the trunk sickened me when it happened, and this just brought all of that back up. The fact that the car left my shop in that state, and then went to another is hard to handle as my reputation and business were not built on that quality level. I would hope that anyone that goes through the original build thread we had, would look at the other work I was doing and could tell a vast difference in the quality. But I also realize most commenting here are only looking at the problem areas that we are now addressing, and are completely ignoring the other areas that were done properly and are NOT issues.
As far as the mess that needs to be cleaned up, I will say that the outer dimensions of the hood, headlights and bumper are all in spec. as is the rear trunk. The original thread has pics of the hood and bumper bolted and rough lined up so you can see there, that the gaps are all good. It's not my job anymore, but my plan was a lot of heating, hammering and dollying, and some reworking to clean things up as it is all pretty much cosmetic, and I don't see any need to remove the panel and redo it all. But that is not my decision to make at this point.
Again Michael, I am here for whatever I can do to help this move forward, and hopefully this thread will move forward in a positive manner now
Great. I appreciate that Scotty.
Well, glad to see you making progress. I wish you the best luck on the journey and I really admire your positive attitude, it's refreshing.
Thanks - I appreciate that.
Looks great. Did he just paint them or plastic blast them?
Glad to see this thread is back on track. Get-r-done!
I will do all I can to get my Six done as quickly as possible. I want to drive it while I am still able. I know Kent is committed to getting my Six squared away like it deserves and shot in a color I can't wait to see.
But tonight it is all about Jim's car firing up and driving for the first time in over 2 decades. I am so happy for him.
Picked out a couple of doors I had upstairs and fit them to the car. I'll chemical strip the face/skin on these then send them out for media blasting of the inside and the shell this week along with some other parts.
Posting pics from my phone for the first time, SirAndy has made this easy. I'll be able to post more often. Thanks.
Glad to see this moving forward again!
Terrific Kent. Glad to hear about posting pics from your phone too. I will have to give that a try. Thanks for posting the door pic.
Jim does amazing small stuff. That seems to be his forte.
I think he worked in one of Santa's workshops in a previous life.....
I am thankful for anything he can do for my Six. I appreciate all of it.
Looks like you've got the right Guy on the car now, and after what youve been through you deserve it
Thanks cal914. I am very appreciative Jim, Andy, Kent and I spoke. I believe my car is going to come together pretty rapidly now. And as I explained in earlier posts, I will hide nothing.
Those two doors look great. I had my original doors replaced with late model doors but upon inspection it was determined correcting existing issues would be more costly than replacing them with nice doors. Now we have two great doors going on my Six.
Ben - I really don't know. I just know that it will go as fast as Kent, Andy, Jim and maybe a couple others can go. I will not be impeding the build in any way.
When it comes to major parts still needed, I am not aware of any really. I know I need a new windshield (tinted), suspension blasted and powder coated, upholstery done (we already have the leather), carpets, bumpers finish metal and body work and then chromed, almost all weather strips and seals, starter, fuel pump, battery, new F&R bumper pads, license plate lights, CV joints and axles, a clear lens high-mount LED 3rd brake light custom fabbed into the top of the "Targa" bar in the SS trim, and a few other items. I did have new large tube SS heat exchangers and muffler on the list, but now that is handled . I am really excited about that.
So hopefully this will go smoothly and we will see it come together nicely.
Jim sent me these pics tonight. This is an example of the attention to detail, terrific work he does. That headlight assembly bucket is perfect. The windshield washer bottle looks killer too. At the rate Jim is going he is going to have all my parts sorted and restored before I even return to Torrance CA at the end of the month.
How did he get that bottle looking so good
I'd like to know how he got the bottle so white also. Bleach? Ajax? Peroxide gel?
OK, so Jim has been a busy dude lately working on my windshield wiper assembly. It looks terrific of course.
Uhhhh, I may have forgotten to tell Jim I have a GT Hockey Puck for my steering wheel. I hope he did not spend a lot of time on this. Of course I am keeping it as I may change back and forth between the butterfly and the hockey puck.
Seriously, how long is the waiting list?
Metalwork and paint, tub only.
Wow happening real fast.....run away train .
The attention to detail amazing,as mentioned that washer bottle ...holy .
It's fun to see these /6 projects coming out of Kent's shop. I imagine his personal six is next in line??
I can't wait to see another beautiful Adriatic Blue 914-6 in the mix.
Jim- you need to slow down and pace yourself. I want to be able to help.
Jim has been at it again:
Ben - I know - Jim is killing it for sure. I can't wait to go down to LA at the end of the month and check things out.
I am looking forward to seeing your heat exchangers and muffler when they are done. I think once the chassis is finished and in color this Six is going to come together nicely. My goal is to have everything waiting for assembly so there are no delays in assembly due to missing parts.
Kent- NOS quarter panels is definitely a great find. I was looking for a passenger side quarter with no luck about 2 years ago. The Gods are smiling on you with that find.
OK - I had to buy a windshield - sorry it is tinted, not clear. Oh, and I borrowed this picture from 914 7T3 since I could not find another. Hope that was OK.
Got the Six on the Jig today. I'll see you on Sat. And we'll go over the car. I just got the 911 done and back to Tony Callas today so I'm ready to dig into your Six now. I should have the parts back from media blasting by friday.
All the suspension points etc. lined up great on the Jig as expected, the car hasn't been in any major accents.
Kent - Thanks for posting the pics of my car on the rotisserie and the frame jig. I am so glad to hear all of the suspension points are spot-on. I look forward to seeing you on Saturday and discussing my car. Food should be a part of that discussion -
If Kent suggests In and Out for lunch, just a heads up, don't ride in the back seat of the van.
Hope you car comes along quickly now. You have waited long enough! Your valance is on its way to Kent. I'm glad I could help out in a small way with the restoration of your car.
Just in case you haven't been teased enough about the color, I've included a pic of my car for inspiration.
Hey Karl- Thanks so much for selling me that valance. It will go perfectly with Ben's new SS heat exchangers and muffler. Your car looks terrific.
So I just got home about 1 hour ago from spending the weekend down in Southern California seeing Jim, Kent, Andy and my Six. My brother went with with and we had a great time. These 3 guys are just cut from the same cloth- they are a pleasure to be around and talk with.
I was able to see my car on a rotisserie in good lighting and go over the whole car and discuss all aspects of the chassis with Kent and Jim. Kent will be putting in some time on this car to get it where I need it to be.
I also was able to go through a lot of my parts, not all of them, and identify some things that appear to be MIA at the moment. I will be emailing Scott and asking him to keep an eye out for them so he can ship them to me. I also somehow ended up with a refinished 911 oil tank instead of my refinished Six oil tank - pretty sure we just mixed up a box. I will ship that 911 tank back to Scott so he can ship me my correct tank with some other parts.
The next time I go down to SoCal I will continue going through the parts and hopefully be done with that at that time. That should allow me to send Scott a final list of items we are looking for.
I also got a chance to hear Jim's Six run - wow it sounds (and smells) sweet.
Then the cherry on the top was seeing Andy's Six - I can honestly tell you the pictures do not do it justice. OMG! It is just beautiful. Then he had to start it......let's just say that is one healthy motor.
At my age, plaque is always a concern in one's arteries....I am sure Andy knew that so he offered me a ride in his car. An offer no-one in their right mind would ever refuse. I am pretty sure that my doctor would be impressed with my circulatory system now. I should be good for another 10-20 years. That is one strong running, sweet riding, Six. It was a nice ride, not just down the street and back. I hope my car is not that fast or I will hurt myself. Thank you Andy for a ride I will be talking about for the next decade.
Unfortunately my brother and I had to hit the road right before noon so we missed what I am sure would have been a terrific lunch. But we knew we had a 6-7 hour ride back up north. Then I had to go grab my car from the airport since we flew down, rented a van and then drove back with assorted parts.
I will post a couple of pictures when I get a chance. Probably later this week.
Again, thanks to Jim, Kent and Andy for a great time.
That is a very nice looking original Six valance. Definitely going on my car. Thanks Karl (rangrbob). Great picture- thanks for posting that Kent.
Looking good. I am working on similar items on my car right now and most people have no idea how long it takes to correct these little things..
Those little things go on and on and when done correctly you will have a car that is finished in some ways better than new.
A true work of ART
Now it's starting to look like a nice straight pan.
Kent must be a reincarnated 914 factory body worker. He seems to know these cars pretty intimately.
Thanks Larmo63 for checking on my build progress. I can't emphasize enough how happy I am with my Six being in the hands of Kent, Andy and Jim. I feel very fortunate.
It looks like it’s coming along very nicely.
its always pleasing to see great progress! Looking good Michael!
Been cleaning and straightening up the bottom of the car. Lots of little things. Should get a few parts I need from Restoration Design this week. Getting close to sealing the underside.
Michael car is looking awesome. Any way you could measure the bottom of the floor pan to the top of the engine mount for me? I know I am jumping in on this thread but I would love to get a real six measurements..
Keep up the great work..
Still chipping away at the stone. Eyes are finaly starting to recover from LASIK...it's been miserable. A couple of drops in each eye and the next day your back to work is extremely misleading.
Looking great and thanks for the help on the measurements. I installed my mount 2 days ago..
Keep up the great work..
Yeah Kent, getting older is not for the faint of heart.... BTW, excellent work- love seeing progress pictures. I know you have done more, but are shy about posting pictures.
I wish my Frankenstein car would have been this clean to start with.. Looks great.
HI Ben- You did see my thread (Part 1) from the beginning, right?
Oops just looked it up yes I recall it now.. I guess yours was rough to start with..
Lot of metalwork going on with some of our cars...
Nice to be getting these back in tip top shape.
It is amazing the progress on this car.
Progress, and what looks to be very high quality of work.
Love checking in on this...
I am heading to Torrance this weekend to see Kent, Jim, Andy and my Six. I am excited to see the progress Kent is making. Additionally, I know Jim has been busy working on components so when it comes time for assembly, we just unwrap them and install them. I am overjoyed with the progress being made as well as the quality of the work. I eagerly look forward to Kent being able to just get to the body work and paint.
I am so ready for the metal work to be over. Seems like I have been waiting for that for 5 years...oh wait, I have! Of course that was not with Kent - Kent has jumped on my car and been busy getting things right. Thank you Kent.
Michael - I can guarantee you will like the 3.2 in that car.
Just one suggestion. Try to fit the wheels and tires on the car before paint.
My clearances are tight and I’m using 6” wheels with 205x60x15 tires and it’s close.
Looks nice and straight and clean and free of rust, etc.
Definitely progressing along nicely.
Wow! I can't wait to see that in person. I have waited a long time to see the bottom of this car looking that nice. Nice work Kent.
Yeah, well if my Six comes out as nice as Jim and Andy's, I will be one very happy guy.
Are you coming down this weekend? I'd like to see the car at Kent's and have a 914 bull session.
Sorry guys. I would love to meet you both. Let's do it another time. I have to respect Kent's time. I plan on going down monthly so we will have a chance to meet in the future. Plus that will give Kent more time to get the chassis whipped into shape.
Maybe we could make it either before or after Thanksgiving? It would be a Saturday, not the Thanksgiving weekend, that's for sure. Don't want to add to the holiday traffic madness. I won't be able to nail down the date until I am in November due to my constantly changing schedule. But I think it would be fun to meet, have lunch and "cut it up" as "they" say.
Also, if you have not seen Kent's work in person, I think it will blow you away. Pictures are good, but not as good as actually looking at the work in person. Andy and Jim's cars are just awe inspiring.
No worries. I just want to meet up some time if we can work it out.
I would enjoy that.
Have had the week from Hell with crazy work and hours. Got home at 10:00 last night and went to bed and then got up at midnight so I can be on the road by 0200 to p/up my brother so we can drive down to see Kent, Jim and Andy. Been looking forward to that all week.
Back from southern CA - Had a great visit with Kent, Jim, Andy and my Six. The bottom of the car is looking really nice .
However, in talking about the front of the car, it was decided that the front panel on the car needs to be replaced to make the front end correct. As you can imagine, this was disappointing to me since it was already replaced a few years ago. But, in the end, it will be cheaper and easier to get the front end panels correct this way. I have posted a WTB and am once again chasing down an early nose panel.
My brother and I were able to spend some time with Jim going through my parts and I was able to complete my inventory of the parts I have and what I did not get when I picked my car up. I will get my list, it is short, to Scotty. He has been waiting for the complete list so he can gather and ship my stuff in one batch. I look forward to seeing those parts soon.
Also, spent more time looking at Jim's Six... It is just amazing how nice his car is. It is like being transported back to 1970 and seeing one in the showroom of the dealership - only nicer. The depth of knowledge regarding these cars, between Jim, Kent and Andy, is just amazing. They really need to get a life . Seriously, they know these cars. I am so glad my car is in their hands.
I will go back down to southern CA in December to check on my car again. I hope I am able to quickly find a nose panel and get it to Kent so that surgery is over before I have a chance to really think about it.
That is disappointing.. Sorry to hear that..
Now that's what I'm talkin' about. That is how a car is supposed to be prepared when it is a full media blasted restoration. Great work Kent. Have some cheesy-bread on me. Now I can't wait for December.
> chasing down an early nose panel
What part are you looking for exactly?
Hi Steve - I believe I have sourced an early nose, the whole front panel behind the bumper. Should something happen I will reach out.
At first glance I thought a PO had drilled right through the nut plate for the mirror mount. Lookin closer, I saw that they had drilled two holes just off to the side of the nut plate. I welded up the holes then located and drilled holes to reveal the threads in the nut plate.
I showed how I locate and drill the holes for the mirror in Jims thread but I figured I show it in Mikes thread also.
I sprayed some black paint on the area.
Lathed a point on a bolt.
Screwed it in to the nut plate from inside of the door till it made a point in the metal.
Slightly sanded the area to reveal the mark then removed the bolt.
Used a punch to mark a guide for the drill.
Drilled a small hole.
Screwed a bolt in from the back to use as a stop so the threads don't get damaged.
Used a larger drill bit to open the hole to the correct size.
Hi Kent - Thanks for the hard work and photos showing it all. I believe you will have a nice nose panel pretty soon.
I have said it before but it never hurts to hear it again. When doing a full restoration or resto-mod (since my car is getting an '87 3.2 and a couple other minor changes) on these cars, or any other type of work, documentation is what wins the day and maintains value.
If one were to ever sell a car claiming it was a bare metal restoration, and they did not have the photos, sorry- you lose. I have seen to many threads claiming bare metal restorations and then you see the pics and the cars were only partially stripped.
The same goes for rebuilt engines, pictures and receipts are needed or it is a core engine or running engine with no history and valued accordingly.
When our cars were inexpensive, who really cared? But now that any clean 914 is bringing $25K or more and Sixes are hitting the $100K mark, people expect to see the paperwork.
Michael and Kent the car/project is looking awesome................
The craftsmanship is stunning.
Thanks Cary - But the credit goes to Kent. He alone is taking care of this chassis to make it like new.
OK - Looks like I got very lucky here and this is the NOS nose going on my Six.....
Can I buy the old one from you? Mine is missing the curve, probably from a accident, which is causing the hood not to close.
Timothy_nd28 - If it comes off in one piece, you can have it for the shipping. However, I believe it will not come off well or in one piece.
One of the reasons we are replacing the nose on the car is it is creating issues with the whole front end and panel alignment. Evaluating it, we decided it would be easier to replace it rather than trying to remove and re-install it. Stay tuned for pictures of that in the near future once Kent has the new panel in his hands. To be honest, I am really excited to see this front end get buttoned down and finished.
Really? I would be a bit surprised if there was a special nose panel for the Sixes. No reason for there to be really. I am sure the one I bought is just a new NOS panel for an early car. I hope someone can confirm this special detail.
SocalAndy's car hard to see.
That's a bumper tit front panel ,,,close but not it....73/74,,,
No special panel for -6,,, 70-72 is what you need
4 types in total...
OK, correction. There is not a /6 specific front latch panel, but one for the 70-72 chassis.
It breaks my heart, but this is a 73-74 nose panel and it will not work for my car.
So I am back on the hunt for a NOS early, 70-72 nose panel. I am hoping someone has one up in their attic, shop storage, garage, you name it, that does need it. Please send me a PM if you have what I badly need.
If we can't find a NOS panel, then I will start to look for a very clean used panel. But with the level of damage we are trying to correct on the front of my car, an NOS panel would be a God send.
Thanks for posting that picture Andy. Keeps me motivated and gives me hope. Someone has to have a spare panel sitting around.
Thanks Pete. RD does not have a replacement panel yet. I am just hoping someone has one stashed in their parts they will not be using and offers it up for a worthy car.
I really want an NOS nose panel as my front end has issues from previous work. But if that does not happen, I will consider a very clean used panel so long as it is removed correctly and not damaged in the process. But it has to be really clean so it can be blasted and installed.
Oh wow! Those doors look perfect. Very nice work. Thanks for posting the pics.
When setting the car on the fixture previously, I could see that all the measurements were in spec although the back of the car was tucked down from a previous hit/accident slightly. I could see this in the suspension console alignment to the fixture. Although being off by 2mm is within spec, I brought the back up to get it to zero.
Ok, I'm caught up. Michael, I need to come down and see this thing. It's going to be sweeet!!!
Just amazing work. It is so calming to me to see the quality of work being done and that my Six is moving right along. Being back on the fixture means we are going to see some reconstructive surgery....... can't wait. Thanks Kent.
Wow, that sucks!
That is just the way it goes I guess. I do know that the passenger side rear quarter, from mid-fenderwell back, was completely replaced - there are pictures in Part 1 of my build thread showing it being done.
Sad and sorry that has to be redone too. Regardless, Kent is doing this correctly and I know, and so do all of you by now, that is the only way Kent would do it and the only way I want it done.
I will just go without food this month and maybe heat too.....
So it looks like more bad news coming my way regarding the previous work. The passenger front fender has to come off because it was welded on over a bent wheel well that is high and the hood strikes that when being closed. The passenger side fender is also out of alignment a little, but the driver's side is off a bunch. These were both replaced in VA.
Also, as if that was not enough, the passenger's quarter panel is off, welded on the wrong way, and the taillight housing will not even fit in the opening. This was done in VA. The driver's side fits OK but needs some work too.
Looks like Kent is going to have to remove a lot of sheetmetal and then redo a lot of work I already paid to have fixed once. That really hurts.
I am not bad-mouthing Scott. His work is history as it relates to my Six (see Part 1 of my build thread) and I am not going backwards. However, I can't post pictures showing the work Kent is having to correct to make my car straight, true and right and take the chance someone might associate that previously done work with Kent's shop or the work Kent is now doing to correct all of this stuff. So I am trying to be clear about what was done in the past and what Kent is now doing.
I am going to post some pictures at some point - but I am technically challenged in reducing the picture size to add a bunch into one post. I wish we had an auto-resizer for pictures like Pelican. Maybe we could all donate to that software program for Sir Andy so we could make life easier for us old folks????
This is the site I use for resizing my pics.
It takes some time for sure, but can usually add a couple pics at least in one post.
Oh and bummer with your previous body work.
I'd really want to "throttle" somebody if they did that to my car.
In process of removing the front panel. Since it was previously replaced, it tears up the flanges that it is welded to due to them being plug welds. It's the right way to weld it on but just harder to remove. All these flanges will be rebuilt.
So sorry to hear about your facing "do-over" work. I feel your pain. The key motivator for me to teach myself to fab was a horrid and quite expensive experience I had with a shop that totally f-ed up one of my project cars. I renamed that shop "Dream Killer Garage".
And it's interesting how the previous work done on your /6 was well documented and seemed to look quite nice in the pics. Many positive comments from others, etc.
So hang in there. Your car is going to be another benchmark /6. Once it's complete, the joy you'll get simply looking at, let alone driving it, will surely make it all worth while.
Tygaboy - Thanks for the thoughts. Yeah, pictures don't always tell the real story, that's for sure.
Oh well, Kent is absolutely kicking butt and it will be prefect now.
I am an Apple.
Thanks Cary. I am always willing to listen and learn. I wish we had it as easy as the Pelican site. I can load photos there with no issues at all. Have great day and tell the super-in-law I said good morning. Cheers.
This is coming along very nicely. It will be an awesome ride. It makes me want to spend more time on mine. It has been a really busy year at work. So I haven't had much time.
If your an Apple person it is easy. Import the pictures into photos, and then export them as a jpg in the size and detail you want. I normally use high detail and a size of large, fit very well. I save the exports into a folder called 914world, and then pull them out from there.
If I did it in original size, it would not be nice to Sir Andy. I use a point and shoot camera for the shop, the iPhone takes great pictures, but I can drop the point and shoot and not care at all.
Now back to this great restoration
Hey Stephen- I will give that a try. Thanks and Cheers. Michael
At least your car will be 100% primo. Great shop. Every detail.
Michael - I feel sick every time I see another problem posted.
Mark - Don't worry; I know you had your problems too.
I feel like it is Ground Hog day and I can't escape the nightmare.....
Fortunately for me and my Six Kent is 100% on this and knows this is the level of work I want.
Not the continual replacing of panels part....
Thanks Kent - I love seeing your work.
Michael, are you driving Jim's white /6 to the events down here this weekend?
Kent, when you have a minute ...............
Am I only seeing 2 spot welds from the fender to the cowl ? I thought the one I tore down had 3 on each side with a 6 inch non welded section in the middle.
Thanks Steve. I am fortunate Kent was able to accept my car into his shop. I am so glad to see progress knowing it is being done correctly.
If you look, you can see in this pic how the bottom of the bucket is pushed over/inward. Look at the angle of the drain tube and the angle of the bumper bracket.
The second pic shows damage from a previous accident.
Because the inner structure was bad, the fender gap was gone on that side and someone had drilled the bumper bolt holes out to about the size of a quarter. So the bumper would align.
Hi Kent - Thanks for the pictures.
I have no idea why anyone would have welded the holes for the warts and turns signals up. My Six had them on and working when I bought it and was never not going to have them. WTH?
Thanks again - Michael
Mark....You're killing me....
Kent is not going to be sculpting my 914-6 - that's for sure. That's how they end up weighing 2 tons!
how is this going?
Well we have sourced the NOS nose, left and right front fenders. So we should be seeing some great work soon. Thanks for asking.
Mike located NOS left and right front fenders, they should hopefully show up next week. I've been cleaning up edges and trimming some sections off of a donner car that will be needed. I'll load some pics next week. I got a new phone and pics didn't get transfered. I need to download the pics off of my old phone onto my computer so I can post them.
Oh man.... I can't wait to see those NOS parts, (nose, L&R front fenders) in Kent's shop with my Six.
These NOS fenders were not inexpensive by any means and I was very fortunate to have been contacted by a fellow member who offered them up for sale. Despite the cost, I was very excited to be able to buy them for my car.
The NOS nose was a great deal and I am very appreciative of the seller for that. I also bought a stock deep rear valance (4 cylinder) from him.
Thank you very much to fellow members aturboman (Robert) and Perry Kiehl. Both of you are great guys and great to deal with.
My commitment to my Six is to build it to the highest standard possible. That is what Kent is doing- no doubt at all. I am confident Kent could have worked with the rusted fenders and damaged nose on my car and absolutely metal worked them to be prefect. (Heck, I am pretty sure Kent could take a piece of sheet metal and make a perfect stock 914 fender from scratch for that matter.) But I do not believe that would be in the best interest of my build. We had enough issues with my tub needing to be corrected that I did not want to compound all of that with bad parts. These NOS parts will enable Kent to get my chassis dialed-in better than when it rolled out of the factory.
I am seriously looking forward to next year as all of the fabrication, metal work and repairs are in the rearview mirror.
So Kent has been pretty busy by the looks of it.... this is what happens when you wet-sand blast a car. This stuff cakes up like clods of dirt and holds moisture and causes rust. That will not be a problem now. I am lucky that Kent recognized we had an issue and removed this quarter panel. Apparently the other side is OK.
That looks like the former passenger side quarter. Glad that came off and will be replaced (correctly) with another complete panel to fix that widening we saw of the rear end as well as the length problem.
Thank you very much for taking the time to review the complete thread. Yes, I have had a lot of support from our members and others. I am so thankful of that. When it is tough going, that is very helpful in remaining positive.
This poor Six build has dragged on so long, languished for about 5 years with no real progress aside from being disassembled and then cobbled together poorly, that a lot of people probably gave up on the car and the thread. I almost gave up too. I came close to listing the whole thing for sale any buying something else for fun. I was very upset about the whole thing and unsure what to do. My car was in pieces on the other side of the country! I talked to a few valued members and friends and finally said, enough is enough.
My love of the Six won out and I decided I had to take the reins and put an end to the B.S. Thankfully, unbeknownst to me, Jim, Andy and Kent, (the founding members of The Justice League, as far as I am concerned) while busy with Jim's incredible car, were apparently often talking, scratching and laughing about my build as it went from bad to worse. Jim reached out to me, (one of the better days of my life) and offered up their services - dedication, skills and expertise, to restore my car correctly.
I knew this was going to blow my budget, but I really wanted my Six to be done correctly. A build I would be proud of and not ashamed or afraid to drive. This was my 3rd Six and I had loved my first two so much I knew I had to do this.
We all have that one car that kind of takes us back to our youth. Though I have had a ton of very nice cars, the Six was that car for me. I discussed it with my wife, told her how much money I had wasted, what it would likely take to recover from that event, and then finish the car. Thankfully, my wife, who loved my last Six as much as I did, maybe more since she cried when it drove off with its new owner, said to just get this one built right so that we could enjoy it. She actually thinks she will be using it as her daily driver when she retires shortly.......I told her she is keeping the C4S as her DD.
That pretty much gets us to where we are now except I had no way of knowing apparently all of the work previously done was done so poorly it would all have to be re-done for my Six to reach the level I expected. Good thing too because I do not believe Kent would have accepted the car if I had said I just wanted a clean driver. For that he would likely have referred me to another shop. Rightly so too. Kent is one of those rare guys who knows, loves, works with and restores metal. My Six needed his skills desperately if it was ever going to survive the experience it had been through and be returned to the car I expected it to be. Oh, and not to let the cat to far out of the bag, but Kent's skills are not limited to body restoration and paint.
So that kind of gives a quick overview of how and why my car has been being restored for 5.5 years now.....
Best wishes everyone. Keep your eye on this thread and watch as this Six comes along.
We toured Kent's shop Saturday morning before we all drove our cars over to the Pelican event. Wow, there was some questionable work torn off of that car. Kent showed us all of the finer points. He surely has an eye and feel for a 914 chassis. I'd love for him to paint my black car from the doorjambs out after your car leaves.
It will be worth the wait, and you are in such good hands with those other two guys helping on re-building it into a running, driving car.
Thanks Larmo63. I believe people will be surprised when they finally see close-up pictures of what Kent had to deal with when my Six arrived, after all of the work I had previously paid to have done.
Glad you got a chance to see my Six in progress. Yeah, I can only imagine how a black 914 would look after Kent gets his hands on it.
The fenders shipped separately. One down, one to go.
I hope to someday see this car in person. Good to see things getting done!
Wow. Just wow.
My poor car.....well we have to get it back to what it was meant to be. Sad that it has had to go through such a tough journey to get it all straight. In the end, it will be better than factory built. Keep at it Kent, you got this.
The left rear got removed also ???
Hey Mike, your car is going to be a awesome car and will be a show car like Andy's.I'm glad that you found the right guy.Kent will do you right good luck can't wait to see it finished.
Keep at it Man....
You'll be there in no time at this rate.
Watching in great anticipation of your final result.
Kent has been forsaking his Sunday's with the other members of the Justice League to work on your 6. My 6 doesen't like Kent seeing other sixes. You got that Kent. By the way, we have a meeting this Sunday, Kent. If you want Andy to buy you lunch, and me to buy you soda water, you better show up. Anyway, Mike your car is moving along nicely. You will be happy. Kent is killing it. In a good way. I intend to have your hardware plated this week. I just want to make sure I have it all before it goes out. There is a lot. I also have most of your stuff done and stored in plastic bins and separated from my parts. I don't want any cross contamination. Next thing you know the parts will want to unionize, and then their periods will synch up. Then we'll be in real trouble. Talk to you soon. Jim.
Hey Jim - Scotty just mailed another box, hopefully the last, and you should have that this week. I think at that point we will have all we are going to have. I look forward to talking-maybe tonight?
I thought the plating was done already.
Pic from your previous thread.
His car has five engine lid latches ?......three front sway bars !!!!!!
Right about now feeling for anyone that has had a car wetblasted
That was a batch of plating Scotty sent out for multiple cars. I don't believe Scotty was really impressed with the results. Jim will go through what we receive and determine what, if anything, needs to be done. We want all of the plating to be excellent quality and the same. Clear all matches, etc.
What are you going to do for a toolkit?
Hey Kent - Loving the front end pictures! That is so cool. Thanks for doing that.
Dang, that is some heavy surgery right there. The fenders look great.
Are the warts and wart holes going to go away?
I love the warts - they stay.
They will look better on Michaels' car than they did hanging in my shop. I got them to black hole for my own 6, but it's found a new home.
Scrub a dub, dub, the warts stay on the tub.
You have another career awaiting you Jim....song writer.
To add to his illustrious comedy writing and parking lot stand up routine?
You never want to limit your options.....
Terrific looking parts. Thanks for posting the pictures Kent.
Wow, you won't even have paint that fender.
Sadly, in the wild, some must die so others may live. Here we have a very nice green car giving its life to help others in need. We offer thanks and bow our heads in prayer.
I wish my car was that clean to start with as the green car..
Nice looking fender Kent. How is the backside?
Yep, the green hornet is a very nice car. I dated all my wives in that little beauty. I still want to buy the seat.
The seats have been dispatched to the Smithsonian.
Cant' wait to see that baby media-blasted and ready to be installed. Thanks Kent for pulling that terrific quarter off and making it available for my car. This is going to be one tight and straight chassis.
Amazed at what nice donor parts you guys get out west...the stuff in the east is usually almost as rusty as the stuff being replaced!
Believe me, I know.....
Mark - The Green Hornet's chassis? Or another one?
Oh that looks very nice. We now have an early front panel.
Love that fix. I have to do the same thing.
"Amateur newbie panel welder", that's funny.
Great thread ! Kent, thanks for posting all the pics, it's a treat seeing your work
Thanks guys for all the nice comments.
You are going to be booked with West Side work for a long time.
Amazing amount of work!
What was that hole for that you made the patch panel for?
Just amazing work. I am very impressed and pleased. Thanks and thanks for posting to the thread Kent.
Bob's absolutely right...and I'm guessing you can reconstruct enough 914's to fill every month of a calendar in about 5-6 years. Perfect timing...I hope to retire by then so I can be your gopher.
BTW..I will be the first to pre-order.
OMG! That is such a great picture.
I am so happy to see that quarter is clean and solid and the front end pieces all sitting in place like that. Thanks Kent.
Is there a count of how many donor vehicles have been used on this restoration?
Kent has replaced a few panels because the ones we had were not in the condition or of the quality we wanted and expected for my build.
I had decided to update my original doors, which were in good condition, with later doors for the crash protection. The doors from VA, represented as in great shape, were actually badly rusted and covered in body filler. Kent had 2 late doors that were actually in great shape and so they are now on my car.
My original front fenders had been poorly body worked and had accident damage. Scotty and I sourced two replacement front fenders, represented as excellent condition. Turns out they were improperly installed and did not line up as they should and were as badly rusted as the doors. So I located 2 NOS fenders for that replacement.
The front nose on my car was in good condition, but it was a late replacement panel without the holes. Likely installed back in the 80's. We also had an early and late headlight bucket on the car. Scotty and I talked about this and decided to make the front nose correct because this build was to be as good as or better than when it left the factory. We sourced an early front nose in pretty good condition and it was installed. Turns out it was not properly installed and prior damage was never repaired before the install. During the install of that panel, damage was done to the inner front fenders, creating more issues needing addressing. This resulted in my sourcing a NOS nose for a 73-74 car which Kent "corrected" to be an early panel for my car.
The front hood on my car was in decent shape but Scott said he had a perfect hood. Turns out that hood had a lot of damage and the support frame was separated from the hood skin and never properly repaired. Kent has replaced that hood with a hood he had which I know will be perfect.
The passenger side quarter on my car had rear crash damage and Scott sectioned a new piece from a donor car at mid-fenderwell. The fitment was off by 1/4", going wide at the rear of the car and also longer than it should have been by approximately the same amount. Kent had to remove that panel and elected to do a full quarter replacement with a near prefect replacement panel from a donor car he had. Turns out we got really luck there as that panel is really in great shape.
That leaves the trunk.....I know that the trunk on my car when it left VA had visible damage in the front right corner. I believe that is a replacement trunk Scotty had. I do not know if that panel will remain or not at this point.
I don't know how to fell about that- 5 cars (possibly) gave up body parts so my Six could once again be driven and admired by many for decades to come (I hope). I take comfort that all of those cars were already parts cars or had been parted and were in storage awaiting cars that needed their parts.
I am grateful for all of the people who have generously offered up parts to help my build. I am most grateful for Kent's abilities and willingness to tackle this mess and set it right.
Cheers everyone -
I have 2 questions.
What steps can be taken to prevent rust on this Jewel, Michael, e.g plating or dipping?
Kent, do you foresee a time when you might need to re-skin the doors? I'd love to see that process detailed here.
Are you going to adapt the late doors for the cable style winders or stick with the late versions?
76-914 - 1. The doors Kent supplied he metal finished and they are prefect. 2. I am not sure what we will do to make this chassis as rust proof as possible- that is Kent's domain. I am confident he will know how best to approach this and he will make it so.
rhodyguy - I am sticking with the later window mechanism. I see those as a better mechanism, long-term.
No doubt on the windows.
I want to come hang out and just watch you work. Looks like a really cool place...
Me too! I just love seeing the work in progress. Those last 2 photos are really sweet. Kent has been all over my car making it right again. I am so glad to finally see things being squared away correctly. I can't wait for the body work to begin once all of the metal correction and fabrication is complete. Thank you Kent.
Who's the lucky duck with the 356 you're working on?
Just saw the gauges you had done that you posted on Pelican.
Those are super nice looking.
You should post here too as well some time.
Continued good luck with your build....
RayneKat - If that was meant for me, I have posted my gauges in this build thread. They may be in Part 1 though. But thanks a lot - I like them too.
It is like watching an autopsy
Great work, thank you for taking the time to share the pictures.
Will you go back and solder that jamb seam when you put it together?
I'm also doing a significant amount of metal work on a 6 chassis, including the right rear quarter and jamb.
Looking good.. I wish I could make progress like that on my own..
Kent- Those panels came out beautifully. Looking good and thanks for posting the pics.
Ummmmm.....it's on the wrong side of the tach?
It has a reset on the front window?
More 911-ish w/o as many numbers on the face?
Trim ring is split?
Extra digit on odometer.
Yeah - I did not want to lose the original mileage on the speedo and since my car had a logbook with it to document the mileage, I felt it necessary to upgrade to a speedo that had an extra digit. To do that I had to have the reset on the face. I also noted they removed 9 miles in the process. The face otherwise is pretty close to my original speedometer- see below:
Nice gauges. My "typical" 6 conversion gauge set up is standard 911 temp/OP and a fuel gauge where you've got the OP gauge, but I really like that set up too.
Nice work,like the idea for the speedo,wow your car is coming on well after all the BS with panels and past damage.
Will you be looking to primer and paint in the early new year ?
I am letting Kent set the pace. I know he has my car at the top of the list and I am very fortunate for that.
Is that a spray on paint stripper?
Pretty much, those west coast parts are nice. I’m lucky my car lived much of its live in TX then in garages after that
Very interested as to what you do to/for the NOS front fenders (in the area that was rusted out of the old ones) Kent. I'm replacing a fender too, so I'm doubly interested to see how/if you get the old factory red primer stripped in that blind area.
WOW Kent...you're fitting to almost aerospace tolerances!!!!
+/-.002 better than factory
Oh pretty good,
Oh wow! That is a step I have been dying to see. Happy New Year!!!!!
I like that Eastwood product too, easy to use and coats well.
A bit late to the party here but great thread.
Thanks and Tdskip your never to late. Thanks Kent.
I really like that Eastwood Product.
That answers my question! I was planning on doing the same thing to my current project.
A quick note, I saw mentioned on the 'World once before that the Eastwood spray catches fire when welding on it. I was going to coat my longs with it but I guess I would have finish all the welding on them first. Sorry to thread jack.
Seeing that product going on means we are getting close to welding some panels on.
Hi Kent, just to be extra clear that was in no way intended to suggest you didn't know how to do use it!
I was just trying to confirm for the other member that you don't want this on a surface that you will be welding to. Near? Sure. On a surface to be welded, no because exactly as you wrote it needs to be clean metal.
Getting it into surfaces that will be hard to reach once installed is a smart move, and of course why you are doing it now.
Sorry if I was vague to a point where it read like I was trying to criticize or coach you, that is most certainly NOT the case.
Ditto I was not questioning the master craftmanship going on here. Just warning others.
What a disaster. It looks like the radius is kind of messed up in the middle there. It's going to look horrible once painted. I'd start over.
It looks kinda flimsy with all of those holes all over too.
I'd weld those all up for strength.
I am awaiting a reply from Scotty to see if he has been able to locate my crossmember. I ended up getting one from a 4, not the 6 one. I didn't realize the difference until Jim spotted it. Apparently the 4's are more rounded and the 6's are more squared off. Hopefully Scotty was able to locate it.
Kent, don't start over. Just call me. I'll be there in about an hour and walk you through it. . See ya tomorrow at Bananawennie's
You guys have fun today; I will be there next weekend.
had it at one time 1st thread photo
Is that a picture of my front end parts when it was first removed at Scotty's? If that is the case, that is the correct crossmember for a Six, right? I wish I had a pic of the two; 4 and 6 side by side.
(after comparing photos of a 4 and 6 cross member, one can clearly see the ends of my crossmember, removed from my car, are indeed squared off and correct for a 6.)
yes ,, your parts,, Scotty's pic 1 st thread, the end where the torsion bar adjusters are is squared off ,,4s are round on the end.
Great- I will send him that picture. We got a 4 cylinder crossmember when we picked up my car. I wish all the parts had been marked with my name or something. That would have saved a lot of grief.
OK, in case anyone wants to know the difference between a 4 cylinder car crossmember and a 6 cylinder car crossmember, here you go:
This is a picture of the stock 4 cylinder crossmember end:
Here is a stock 6 cylinder car crossmember end:
In the above pictures you can clearly see the end of the 6 crossmember is kind of squared off while the 4 crossmember is round. Easy peasy to differentiate.
Here is a close up shot, (sorry it got blurry when I zoomed in on it) of the rack that came off my 6 - it is clearly a correct rack for my car:
That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..
Hey Ben - Yeah, this was a new one for me too. By the way, Jim, (Banananose) is the one who knew this and caught this. I believe the Six crossmember may be the same as a 911 but I am not certain of that.
Do you "need" a 911 cross member, or only if you want to stay as close as possible to a factory 914/6?
Hopefully Scotty still has my correct, original 6 crossmember sitting in his shop. I have sent him the pictures and a request to locate and ship it to me. I appreciate the offer. I want to keep my parts on my car whenever possible. Especially the Six specific parts. I don't know if one really "needs" a specific 914-6 or possibly 911 crossmember, but my car is a real Six so I am trying to keep those things correct.
An alloy one might be another option.....?
Hi Larmo63 - Yeah, if my original is UTL, then I would try to source an alloy crossmember for sure.
Wow! Now that is what I'm talking about. That front end looks very nice - like new really.
Thanks Kent for all of the hard work straightening this absolute mess out and for posting the pics for others to see what real craftsmanship looks like.
Pretty soon the fun stuff will begin. See you on Saturday -
I'm really starting to hate this thread. Just when I feel like I'm doing decent work on my own car, I come over here and realize what an amateur I am. Seriously though, it is really nice to watch this "no compromises" build progress under a true master.
the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?
Heck, I don't know. I am hoping Scotty finds and ships my original crossmember so I never have to worry about it.
Man that underseal flexible rubberized "stuff" looks so nice. I can't wait to touch it in person.
Yeah, I'm printing all these seam sealing pics out and giving them to my paint guy this week.
They are great "go to's" for doing this kind of thing.
Catylised urethane tintable bed liner slightly under reduced and tinted with a beige toner and sprayed at a very low pressure through an undercoating gun.
He'll get these instructions as well.
Beats reinventing the wheel.
That is beautiful thing ................ Perfect
I spent a couple hours with my Lord Fusor seam sealer sprayer last week. I couldn't even get anything close to something that looked right. Can't get it messy enough.
Back to the drawing board .............. With a head start from Kent.
my Six would need a brush stoke around it ..no pebble spay...it
Hey Cairo! It appears your car is providing you with that long sought after "six" erection. And Kent, I told you not to do his car better than mine. You dicks!
As good as mine is coming along, just think about the next one Kent tackles.
So I went down to visit with Kent, and Jim and got to meet Dave (BlueSix) and Bob while down there looking at my Six. First off, the work Kent has done left me speechless - my car has jumped forward lightyears in progress. I feel for Kent as he has been undoing a lot of bad work, correcting the chassis and building from there. Everywhere we look we see things that were not right.
Soon enough Kent will be moving on to the body work phase as the metal work will be concluded. Again, the front end is now all straight, true, correct and beautiful. I was so excited looking at the car and talking with them all that I took no pictures. However I believe my brother Bob took some as did my friend Richard. Richard, who is a die hard VW guy was completely blown away by Kent's work and never did stop talking about it on the 6-hour ride home.
As soon as I get some photos I will post them to catch the thread up. I believe we will be returning to L.A. in March for the big swap meet. At least, that's the plan. Stay tuned.
Just a side note, these guys are just top-notch people. Dave, BlueSix, is a great guy. Another serious 914 owner who knows these cars inside-out too. Hope to see him the next time we go down to L.A.
Forgive the newbie question but are those louvers original to a 914/6?
Help with front mounted oil cooler?
They are not. Scotty made that panel and pressed the louvers in and then cut out the original trunk floor and welded that panel in. It is a nice panel and we kept it. The oil cooler (Patrick Motor Sports unit) will mount vertically against the front nose and then be covered by an aluminum shroud to direct air coming through the front of the cooler out through those lovers under the car after passing through the cooler. Should keep the engine plenty cool.
Hi Mike, I really enjoyed the visit though I ate way to much but I guess that could be a good thing. Thanks again for dinner 'twas excellent. It was great to see you brother and to meet Richard. I'll keep pluggin away and there will be more to see when you come down in March.
Not sure you can tell, but that is my extremely happy face. The rear tail light did not fit into the rear quarter panel when I got my car back. The panel was over 1/4" out of alignment. That may not seem like a lot, but believe me it is. As you can now see with the new/old "Green Hornet" quarter panel (thanks Dave (Blue Six) and Kent) the taillight now fits perfectly. The pictures of the quarter panel replacement should give you an idea of the level of detail Kent goes to to make sure the car is perfectly straight and tight, thus earning him forever a position on the Justice League.
I don't know if there is truly such a thing as a "rust free 914" but this Six is going to be as close to that as will exist in this century. Kent's work should not really be described as work- it is true craftsmanship. I know that because I have seen it with my own eyeballs. Pictures are nice, but they still can't really tell the whole story.
My friend Richard summed it up by saying, when looking at Jim's 914-6, "I was never able to go to a Porsche dealership in 1970 to see a brand new 914-6 in the showroom, but now I know what that would have been like".
I can't wait for my next trip to L.A.
And, here is the windshield wiper assembly for my Six. It was checked out by master electrician Bob (he has a perfect Boxster Spyder) and refinished by Jim- no further introduction needed.
Here is mine in the foreground with a 4 wiper assembly behind it. Aside from the visible distinctions, a 6 has a three-speed wipers and park. A 4 has two-speed wipers and park.
Just heard from Scotty - He found my original crossmember and is shipping it and the little fuzzies that go on the headlight mechanism.
I do not believe that is a finish gap as Kent has not begun finish body work yet. That is probably pretty close though. Kent may jump in here with a comment.
so all those Q-tips standing around a grey 914-6,,,My guess is gloss Grey,,,,
fantastic work ...
Q-tip is generally OK with me. I just prefer not to be a Q-ball. But I am sure that too will come. As for color, Audi has a color, Nardo Grey, that my wife and I absolutely love....just saying.
Looking good there guys.. Another question for you Kent.
What do you plan on doing for the right rear corner above the tail light?
Where the large piece of seam sealer went.
Filling it back up or ?
Keep up the great work.
Great work on that driver's quarter panel. That damage appeared to be an old dent. Also very happy to see the space-saver arrived so the proper mounting and support can be fabbed up.
And that is not my actual wheel. Harvey (Weidman) told me mounting a space-saver tire on an early deep-six wheel is a real pain in the butt. Then you have to cut the space-saver in half to remove it from the rim. So he sent the space-saver mounted to a late deep six as the tire comes off easier. The dimensions are the exact same as it relates to everything else so when my wheel arrives with the space-saver it will fit perfectly.
After I returned from L.A. I got a call from Jim as he was going through my parts. He identified some of the recently plated parts we apparently did not get when I picked up my car. Fortunately, we had a picture Scotty posted in Part 1 of my thread, (page 36, post 708) that showed all of the plated parts. We were able to identify the 6-specific parts we were missing. I circled them and identified them by name and scanned and emailed Scott those pictures.
Additionally, unfortunately, the rear bumper Scott had swapped me for my good condition chrome bumper is so badly pitted the chrome shop said they would not attempt to chrome it. To be fair, I knew my original chrome bumper would be re-chromed regardless. I asked Scott to weld up and metal finish the tow hook hole on it. Scott explained he had a painted bumper in good shape that would be easier to weld and then have plated. I agreed, having not seen that bumper. He welded up the hole and metal finished it. I cannot use it due to the pitting. So I have asked Scotty to return my original chrome bumper.
I hope to hear from Scott soon that he has located my missing parts and is shipping them to me.
Whole Again...color ????????????????????
I know.... I see some front fenders....but I do not believe they are completely welded on yet. But thank God and Kent the rear of the car is squared away and I believe the metal work is done back there. Pretty soon now all metal work will be finished and then comes body work .
I font know looks good.....
I can't really express how relieved I am that my Six is getting straightened out and will soon be ready for some color.
It's looking really good. Congrats....must be relief on many levels.
I’m told by John at EASY that the 944 Turbo (and I’d imagine the S2 since they’re the same chassis) have the lightest spare wheel in 5 lug. And it’s alloy so you could polish it. Probably sell that deep six Fuchs wheel and pay off the rest of your project the way early Fuchs prices have been going!
What??? Your’re thinking of painting a real six chassis in a non-original color? There’s a rule against that somewhere!
That's not a deep six.....but I agree about the color.... if you must change it, do stay with a color from that year.
Looking really good Michael. Huge difference from the east coast massacre.
I have the same spare set up for 41 reg15 Fuchs because of the look. Next, everyone dogs you on the color of your 6. I went with Cannery Yellow because that is what it came with but now I am sorry I did not go for metallic light blue. My favorite color. You have made some changes to your car that may take away from it’s total max value but what the hell. Enjoy it all the time. Life is too short.
Car is coming together nicely Mike. Congrats. Looking good.
Thanks everyone. That rim is not my rim; it is just a test fit wheel. The finished deep six will go in the trunk- wheel face out.
I got over the whole color thing years ago - I mean, heck it was in VA for 5 years and 1 month. That gave me lots of time to consider color. So- that is a done deal.
My BP has gone down a lot since my car has been in Kent's shop. My car has only been there 5 months total and look at all of the work Kent has accomplished. I am very pleased with the results.
Sorry if I missed it but are you you adding any additional stiffening bracing to the tub?
Tdskip - the only bracing that was added was the bracing kit in the interior of the tub. Look in my Part 1 thread for that. Kent has to clean it up still and correct a couple installation issues from the VA shop, but that is all the bracing my car needs.
WTF? That piece only belongs there if Michael was going to install late ‘75-76 bumpers.
OK - Mark figured it out. For the added protection while driving in the crazy state of CA, we decided to add the BUB's to the car......
And there's that.....
Is it April 1st already?
If you are going to use the late black bumpers (BUB's), I think silver would look good. You can also leave it in primer if you can't find a good painter. Hell, it's been in primer for 6 yrs....
True enough. Actually, it was in primer, then allowed to rust.... then it came to Kent's and it has been all good since then. I was actually considering silver for a minute but as straight as this car is now, it would look bitchin in black. After all, it was black when I bought it.
Black is awesome.. You have my vote..
Keeping it gold with updated BUBs would be a great look.
A little update photo of the vertical space-saver mount in development.
Kent's skills on display yet again.
Kind of funny how quickly we were all watching the rebuilding of a basket case to now the fine details of chassis work within 4 or 5 months.. Amazing progress and I do need to remind myself that this is being done in a shop to put timelines in perspective on my build..
Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!! Are the screws just to hold it before it's welded in?
I'm trying to run a rear cooler on mine, but if I need to go front...that spare mount and a front cooler shroud would be awesome!!!
[quote name='JmuRiz' date='Feb 8 2018, 07:59 AM' post='2576471']
Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!!
I agree and would buy two of them right now..
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[quote name='JmuRiz' date='Feb 8 2018, 07:59 AM' post='2576471']
Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!!
I agree and would buy two of them right now..
Wish I had the time.
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[quote name='Luke M' date='Feb 8 2018, 08:15 AM' post='2576502']
[quote name='JmuRiz' date='Feb 8 2018, 07:59 AM' post='2576471']
Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!!
I agree and would buy two of them right now..
Wish I had the time.
Send me your patterns and I will make a bunch..
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[quote name='914350' date='Feb 8 2018, 12:05 PM' post='2576596']
[quote name='Luke M' date='Feb 8 2018, 08:15 AM' post='2576502']
[quote name='JmuRiz' date='Feb 8 2018, 07:59 AM' post='2576471']
Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!!
I agree and would buy two of them right now..
Wish I had the time.
Send me your patterns and I will make a bunch..
Well...let me see what I can do first. I can talk to a couple of places that I used to work with.
Well...let me see what I can do first. I can talk to a couple of places that I used to work with.
If that doesn't work out, I have a plasma table and brake and could make them, too...
Wow--that looks beautiful.
Cut me a break.... for the previous 5 years and 1 month my Six was essentially disassembled and scattered to the 4 corners of a shop across the country where I was only able to see it once in person. The work that was done, well you have all seen a little glimpse of that, so enough said.
Now Kent is working on it and we all can see the incredible results. It's like I just got the car. I am very excited (obviously) with the work and progress.
Thanks. Me too.
Love seeing the updates. I have been using the pictures of repairs as a basis for my fab class lesson plans at school.
Thanks guys for all the great comments. I can't wait till the car is done and Mike gets to enjoy it.
Mike, all is going well and I'm digging into the trunk at this point. The arms I ordered for my spot welder came in and the fenders will be going on soon.
Terrific. Looking forward to seeing how those long arms weld.
That spare tire hold down bracket is just what the doctor ordered.
Great job as usual, Kent!!!!
You know you have turned a serious corner (for the better) when there are pictures of well done accessories to the core build in the pictures.
Sweet. Thanks for posting the updates. I will be there on March 3rd.
Yeah....uhhhh..... I own a Six - so I am broke - almost.....
But damn, is it just me? Or do those pictures look terrific?
Uh... yeah, those photo's (all) look fantastic. From one broke six owner to another. Beautiful work Kent. So happy for you Cairo.
Thank you very much.
Again, beautiful work. Despite being a total amateur this is the level of skill I try to replicate. Why aim lower?!
Those gaps are crazy.
Do you know how jealous I am? Tried so hard to get the sealer right, with Wurth discontinuing things right and left. Makes it look easy.
I can't wait to see it. Thanks Kent.
The suspense is killin' me. My Six has really undergone a major evolution in the last 6 months. I believe it is now one of the straightest, cleanest tubs around - and getting better every day. I can only imagine what it will look like once it has color on it.
That may be the first and only time I have heard those words associated with my Six.
Not just your car. Kent hasn’t been able to mutter those words with the cars that preceded yours. We’ll see if he can repeat that statement when he tears into his own 6...
Yeah, my car was marginally better, maybe, than Kent's when it arrived. Hope to see you this weekend.
That's a definite start.
OK, I have to ask. I've watched this project grow from a flicker of light at the end of the tunnel to it's present state of excellencemanship. I made that up. What is the estimated date of completion? 2018?
I wish I could shed light on that.... (see what I did there?) Kent is working very quickly and my Six is getting close to bodywork and color. I am not rushing him-he sets the pace and it well exceeds what I could have ever hoped for. I can't get back the 5 lost years as the car sat back east, but Kent is really working hard.
However, we then have to assemble my car. I have no idea how long that will take. I am hoping to get it home and driving in the Spring of 2019. But that is just a WAG on my part. The good news is we have most everything we need to assemble my car already as I have been accumulating parts all along.
We just got another box of my parts from Scotty. My original crossmember, rear bumper, tow hook, spare tire key (bolt), and a few other small parts. Glad to see that stuff arrive- thanks Scotty.
The next task I want to get started is getting the engine sorted. Remember I am putting an '87 3.2 in my car. Though it was rebuilt, it was never started. I am hoping to get it to a shop Jim has used for both of his engines to have them finish the assembly, bench fire, break-in and dyno it so when it goes into the car it is turn-key with no issues. Before we do that though all of the Motronic injection components need attention to make them look like new. I am hoping on this weekends trip to talk about that process and get that moving.
That is as much as I can forecast for now.
This is a situation where my car looks great in the photos and even way better in person. Kent's work is absolutely amazing. Those who saw my car when I brought it to Kent know what I am talking about.
My brother told me on the ride home from L.A. yesterday as we were talking about how far my Six has come in the 6 months Kent has had it, that when we picked it up back east and loaded it into the truck, he was so shocked at the condition of the car and the "quality" of the work, he was afraid to say anything. Yeah, those days are well behind us and we can't wait for our next trip, hopefully the first part of May, to see the progress then.
Here I am after seeing the progress:
Michael - I’m very happy for you. I’m sorry you had to go through so much turmoil to get here. My metal guy took a quick look at my car last week and said there’s a lot of work to do / re-do. It’s still in storage so once we pull it out, I’ll get a better handle on things.
Thanks Mark. I hope your car was done to a much higher standard, and I use that term loosely in this context, than mine was after all those years. I also look forward to seeing photos of your car as you received it.
In honor of my last trip to Kent's to see my car, I have now changed the title of this thread from "Getting it Straight" (the car was an absolute mess and nothing was straight) to "It's a Car Again". According to Kent, and I agree after seeing my Six, It is a car again. Thank goodness for miracles and Kent.
I forgot to mention while at Jim's we discovered I did not get my stub axles back when I picked up my car. They are 6-specific parts and are generally in the $500-$600 range to replace. I sent Scotty an email, including a picture of the difference between 4/6 stub axles, and he told me he would find and ship mine ASAP. I will keep my fingers crossed he has them sitting around and I get them back soon. Fortunately, all of the Six specific parts we did not get when I picked up my car, Scotty found in his shop.
That is the cleanest shop ever. Pride in work place, pride in work.
Happy to see you survived "the journey" as well.
I can't wait to see that body in gold.
Amazing work as always. I need to do some similar work on my hood. What are you using for bonding agent? The green is liquid masking, I assume?
Edit: I see now that it is just masking tape. Looked too clean!
You ever going to get to drive her?
I sure hope so........Kent is working hard to make up for 5 years of wasted time and....while the car sat back east.
Beyond the level of quality of Kent's work and how beautiful Michael's car is/will be is this, at least for me:
For in-progress builds, a blasted chassis looks so much better than one that isn't. Ask me how I know!
Back to this build:
Michael - I'm sorta local to you and I demand a ride, once this beauty is back on the road. I'll even ride in it if it's gold.
Yeah, not a problem. Your north of me by about 1.5 hours. I am extremely pleased with Kent's work.
Your car is looking great. Done right!
Thinking of this song:
George Harrison released a cover version of the song as a single, and released it on his album Cloud Nine
I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you,
But it's gonna take money,
A whole lotta spending money,
It's gonne take plenty of money,
To do it right, child,
It's gonna take time,
A whole lot of precious time,
It's gonna take patience and time, mmm
To do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it
To do it right, child
Thanks. Yeah.... a whole lotta money.
Very sad that these had been stripped and finished back east and they were already rusting under the material used at that time. Thank God Kent suggested we strip them and make sure they are correct before paint. They had multiple layers of build-up and Kent found areas where the material applied did not have good adhesion on both trunks lids. He believes they would have definitely lifted and created issues once color was applied. Pretty disappointing that everything I paid good money for had to be redone.
I had a lot of the same on my build. My painter had to basically strip down the entire exterior of the car. Had rust under the primer, some primer would scrape off with your thumb nail....WTH. Big waste of time and money. Things can definitely go wrong in a big way if people don't know they are doing. Glad you're finally on the right path. I'm getting there, but it's breaking the bank. ;p
At least you have a glimpse of the finish line now. Endevour to persever.
Really shouldn’t have happened to either of you. Since the cars were stripped down to bare metal, it’s not brain surgery how to prep and prime.
Thanks. Yeah, that's what keeps me going. Also, I am not a quitter. I love my car and want it done right and in my garage.
A gold car will need an especially pristine body!
Mark - I know you had the same issues I had with your car in the same shop..... so I know you feel my pain brother.
It's like getting kicked in the balls every time we find more stuff that was done haphazardly, incorrectly and just sloppily. I paid good money and that is what I got. When you hold yourself out to be an expert, there is no excuse.
Exactly, that is what Kent is working towards- and frankly, has already attained. Lawrence, sorry we did not get to meet at the Swap meet. I did see your car though. Nice-
Does the previous guy (Scotty B) still have a car restoration it seems ,reading this thread and the original one that he wasn’t any good at all
The primer issues is really strange.. I am not an expert but been around body shops my whole life ( my uncle runs a 1 man band since I was little) and have painted (bare metal) 6 cars myself. The epoxy prime is pretty straight foraward..
The one thing I will note is I never had any of the cars blasted but rather da'd. Prior to spraying primer
Kent any insight?
JmuRiz - I sent you a PM.
Mark is right. But everyone already knows that. I was absolutely assured from day one he would be the only one to ever work on my car. We now know that was not the case - apparently.
This was a very, very expensive lesson for me. I trusted someone who came highly recommended by several senior members of this forum. I conducted my due diligence and was still taken advantage of in the end. After 61 months I pulled my car from his shop. I blame no one but myself.
I was fortunate to pull my car out when I did. That Jim, Kent and Andy had followed my thread and reached out to me was just the luckiest day ever. We have all seen the work Kent and Jim have done. Kent has turned my car into an absolutely laser straight beauty which sets the bar for any restoration, IMHO. Jim is getting all of my parts ready for assembly. His skill, knowledge and attention to detail is amazing. Everything is bagged and properly stored once ready for install. This is the level of work I expected when the word "restoration" was used. Thank you again Kent and Jim.
Disclosure is a GOOD thing. That an 'apprentice' might have been doing the work would have had my blood boiling.
I don't mean to sound like a dick, but can you guys put the bashing and negativity to rest? I really enjoy seeing your car going back together so well, but the side story that has been stated over and over and over again is really detracting from the beauty of the work being done. I don't know the parties involved and frankly don't care.
Glad to see it looking so good now.
what is the patchy color on the body? a guide coat for block sanding?
jmitro - Sorry. I have been pretty careful about "bashing" the former shop. I am sorry if occasionally a little, and I mean a very little, bleeds out. If that bothers you, and I understand that, feel free to skip past that stuff and just enjoy the pictures. However, I would feel somewhat responsible if anyone else to fall prey to that situation, there or elsewhere.
As to the comments of others, some who may know more than they let on, I can not control that. As for people who have seen my car at Kent's shop, they know the condition of the car first hand, seeing it with their own eyes. Pictures are nice, but in person reveals the truth.
I do appreciate your comments re the quality of the work my car is now enjoying.
it should be a concours contender after this. I only wish I had that kind of skill
"Complain all you want, Cairo. I believe you've paid for that right, in full. Most people would consider this a Public Service Announcement. Carry on. "
I couldn't agree more, Kent.
Having restored a six from a bare tub a few years back, I've been watching this thread from the start. Kudos to you for staying with the reconstruction of your car! I know how hard it can be to keep going when the the only solid thing you have is a vision in your mind of what you want the end result to be. I'm happy that you finally found someone(Kent) that sees the same goal. I can't imagine how much $ you will have invested in this project, but I'm sure you will love the end result!
Thanks a lot. Yeah, it is a bag full for sure. However the money that goes to Kent is actually a pleasure.
Glad Kent did that. Knowing what he found under the material on the hood , we would have experienced problems with the paint failing shortly after the car was completed otherwise.
Kent is IN THE HOOD!
...and the trunk, too, apparently!
What a lucky car that is...
I agree - my Six finally hit the jackpot.
Here is a quick picture of all of the sheet metal Kent removed and/or replaced on my car to get it to the point it is now. The final count was both front fenders, passenger side (rear) quarter panel, nose, plus a lot of other small stuff.
Even Kent's scrap pile is neat and tidy! That's a lot of metal, but it could have been worse. Ask me how I know.
Just to make sure everything is good with the motor that was rebuilt by a great guy, longtime Pelican, it few years ago, I think 2014, it is going to a shop near Jim for them to check it all out and complete the build and bench fire the engine. I want to be sure that when it goes into my car, it stays in the car. No leaks, etc.
I am going to ask them to look over the induction/injection and clean up the intake by removing any bosses we will not need for my application. It is an '87 3.2 motor with 964 cams, a Steve Wong custom chip and of course I have Ben's full exhaust system. I want all of the brackets re-plated and all hoses replaced, etc. Then your normal engine stuff, cap, wires, plugs, etc. I want it set up so when we pick it up we just install it and turn the key - no fuss, no muss.
We are taking the transaxle and related clutch, flywheel stuff with the motor too. I have to remember to take the full exhaust too as they requested that for firing it up too. That way it will all be mated together and we will know we have no issues at assembly.
Kind of an exciting part of this project. When I next go down to L.A. I will meet with the engine shop on May 11th to go over everything. This shop comes with a solid recommendation from Jim. That is the only endorsement I need.
Here is a pic for fun:
The shop in VA promised me the engine would be turned over by hand every month...... what are the chances he did that? Based upon everything else, I am less than optimistic.
I hope for the best on all of that. I am finishing up the muffler brackets this coming week. Also let me know if any issues arise.. Its seems with multiple applications everyone runs some iteration og someone elses setup and that causes differences in clearence for the exhaust.. Also made another wall hanger. Gonna send you this one until I perfect the others.
Mark - Exactly what I have come to expect. Ben - I really appreciate that.
Thanks for the pics Kent.
Quit posting nudes of that poor car. How about putting some “gold” clothing on her.
Dealing with items like hood hinges is a very good sign.
At some point someone welded in a long stiffening kit and welded over the seatbelt hole on the passenger side. I located it and drilled a hole then flushed the metal so that the belt can float/rotate as it should.
Thanks for correcting that work -
Kent that looks like it is going to be perfect. Thanks.
Yeah, and I paid for that....
We will all know that the hole WAS there though............
All the way down to the last detail...
Kent, I'm changing the name of your shop to "Relentless Restorations"
The attention to the smallest detail is beyond impressive.
A lot of work went into the hinge mount. Stripped off all the plating, tapped out the body of the hinge (round) removing the waves left from the stamping process and plannished the foot on each side to make a flat solid foot and rounded the foot slightly like the originals. I brazed in the bung and lapped the mating surface. A great piece to start with for sure but just dialed it in.
Next World level work. Most times when I look into an engine bay and see the trunk hinges I cringe as the welds holding the hinge mount look so bad. I know this will look very nice- the hinge mount looks beautiful.
Oh this is going to really make me mad. I've done this same repair and I know I'm about to be shamed.
Gt oil line passage way.. Looking good
As usual, Kent's fix is excellent and perfect.
Does he walk on water too?
That thing is going to look great in gold...
Thanks; yup Kent has the code and is ready when the time comes.
Beautiful, simply beautiful.
I suspect sorcery is at play here. Anyone who has attempted this kind of repair knows how freakin' hard that is. Simply amazing!
Thanks for the updates
Looks great.. I love the quality.. And even better the updates .. I find it hard to detail mine in a timely manner or as comprehensive as your doing..
I can absolutely, positively tell everyone, when my car left CA it had no such hole. When it arrived at Kent's shop 5 years 1 month later, that hole was there. So......
That repair is stunningly beautiful.
Yes....very nifty repair work.
Could also use a hole saw in a drill press if needed..
This is getting a bit ridiculous now!!!
I saw a comment a while ago about cars being pieced together, etc. and it got me to thinking. So..... Kent has done a lot of work on my Six to correct old accident damage as well as work not done to the standard expected. I know some people may get upset when they see a car that has had panels replaced, perhaps feeling somehow that makes it less of a car. And I would generally agree with that premise if the work were not done to the level we have all seen Kent do. So, though my Six has undergone extensive surgery, in my opinion, all of Kent's work has been done to such a high level that even the Porsche factory would approve and consider my Six's metal work restored to "like original" condition.
This car is 48 years old and time, rust and accidents take their toll. When restoring these cars, we just have to do the best we are able to do. I want this car to represent the 914-6 model for years to come and long after I am gone. I believe that is the standard to which we are building my Six.
I want to thank Kent publicly for accepting my car into his shop to correct all of the bad work my Six presented upon arrival. Because believe me, whatever pictures we have posted only scratch the surface of the issues Kent had to deal with. I think it's twice as much work to correct bad work as it is is to just restore an old damaged car. Kent tackled my Six with enthusiasm, dedication and a skill-set I never dreamed existed. A skill set necessary to correct everything and give me, in my opinion, the perfect chassis, the chassis I wanted from day 1. I can't wait to see color on my Six.
I am still working to resolve my business with the old shop amicably. I hope that works out.
This /6 should belong in a 6 sided, temp controlled, fully mirrored room for eternity, and never driven. It sets the standard as high art.
Just polish and 6-8 coats of clear on the chassis - forget paint.
Hi Jeff- This one will be driven. I will keep it nice, no driving in the rain, but it will be driven.
I'm probably going to need a shoulder and maybe a knee replacement in a few years. I'm kinda thinkin' I should book with Kent rather than my current ortho surgeon after looking through these pics!!!
If only I turned out as well after surgery!!!
Thanks Brent, I appreciate that.
so glad we get al the detail shots not saying I am ever going to be this good, but I have learned a ton, and got some great ideas for my builds that will be puled off at a fraction of the skill level show here. But I can aspire.
As good as it looks in the pictures, in person is 100 times better.
Wow just about ready for color now..
I agree with stephen.. I have learned allot just from watching the progress..
Had a great time visiting with Kent and Jim and seeing all of the progress on my car. It looks like it would have on the factory line. It's sitting next to a very very rare '68 911R.....the work on the 911R is just amazing.
Then we went to the engine shop. Apparently the engine, I had it built 3 years ago, was not stored properly after being built, so we have a little bit of light corrosion on the cams, but aside from that it should be good. Once the engine arrived at Jim's he completely wrapped it in cling wrap. Fortunately, we caught it before it could really do damage.
We did discover the original 3.2 oil cooler was installed on the motor instead of the 914-6 cooler that came off my car. I have asked Scotty to please locate my oil cooler and ship it to us ASAP so they can continue with the engine work and bench fire the motor.
Anyway, my car is moving along with terrific progress on all fronts. While I was at Jim's, my brother was with me, Jim tossed me the keys to his '70 914-6, the white one, and told me to take it for a spin. Who would say "No thanks" to that? My brother and I drove from Jim's to Kent's shop, about 20 miles, and it was a blast. His white car has "patina" but runs like a Swiss watch. That was the coolest. When it comes to people, they do not get any better than Jim and Kent. I was sorry I did not get to see and talk to Andy this time- hopefully next trip I will see him.
So I am one happy guy -
Eric from Pmb reported that the my heat exchangers come very close to the factory 914-6 oil cooler brackets. Just make a note of that. A couple ways around it but wanted to let you know..
OK- we will keep that in mind. Thanks.
Terrific news, Scotty located my oil cooler and is shipping it. That's a great relief.
under the batter tray, into the hell hole area.
1) isn't there supposed to be a drain hole to let the water out?
2) why did he put undercoating in there?
I don't know if there is a hole there or not. I do know Kent knows what he is doing. I believe the undercoating is for extra protection for the future, so damage never gets a chance to happen. Not an inch of this chassis has been overlooked to get it absolutely right. We will just have to stay tuned to see what happens next.
I think my smile would be that big too!
I hope you don't mind but I've stolen all of your photos showing the seam sealer applied to give to my body guy. They're just about the best reference photos out there.
Enjoying following this build.
Thanks Stephen. I do not mind at all. The reason we have so fully photo-documented this entire restoration is to help those considering a restoration know how really involved this work is and provide a "guide" for what to do and what to be aware of when you undertake a project of this size.
Yeah, well the Hell Hole was great because the thing was covered in a ton of oil as was the bottom of the car. So that had to help.
Oh, wait....did Kent just say the car is going a non-original color......
OK, I was worried for a minute.
Original to what ??
Terrific. Scotty got my oil cooler shipped out pretty darn quickly, (thank you) and it came with a few other parts we have been missing too. Now we will send the cooler out to be sonic cleaned and pressure tested so it is ready for installation. Oh, the two trailing arm bearings came from PMB- thanks Eric.
Before you install those rear bearings take the grease seals off and inspect them.
There's been problems with bearings only being shipped with one of the sides greased.
I checked my new FAG bearings and sure enough one side of the bearing had zero grease.
Good how to here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9P1R2clGAU
Good news that your parts have been located and received.
Lets see some updated pics now...
Thanks Luke - we will add it to the list.
Time will tell...
...so close now... *snif *snif you can smell the gold Wow, that tub is crisp!
My wife will really appreciate that.
I really appreciate the attention to detail.
Getting close now.
It's been a long time since I have seen that view.
I'm torn, I want to see it painted, but it looks so great as a bare chassis too.
Kent, (as usual,) has done a yeoman's job on the project, just wonderful.
I know. It looks so good even with the guide coat - I can't wait for color. Thanks for checking the thread.
Looking great as usual.
Will you be hosting a viewing party so we can drool over it in person?
Mike - I will be driving this car in the East Bay area so I am hoping a lot of people will get to appreciate the 914's for the beautiful cars they are.
Did I miss the announcement of what color you selected Michael? NOT GOLD is not a color..
Don't worry, I will make it known when we post a picture of the car with some color on it. I am sure that is forthcoming.
Fathers Day paint ??
That would be cool.
Summer solstice is coming - the GOLDEN sun is going to shine longer that day.
Sounds like a plan.
I'm GREEN with envy...........
So we have some progress pictures. Kent is down to the little stuff now as he approaches the finish line of the metal and body work, preparing to shoot the color soon (I think):
Kent welded up many of the holes that the sill plates plastic rivets into as these get drilled out and larger over the years. The car is now almost completely in second primer and many areas have been dialed in.
This is the hole for mounting the bolster pad and it was screwed up. Kent welded it up and will drill a new hole. Kent is working at a high level on these detailed corrections.
The blocking continues as we get closer to paint.
Looks very nice....and smooth.
Be back on the road in no time.
Kent missed a few holes on the front of the fender
Yeah, strangely, I have come to like the warts. Also, I have really tried to keep the car appearing stock so as people look at it they will have a hard time discerning any "improvements".
keeping the thread alive......waiting for color.....I like fender tits better than warts
happy independence day
So I am guessing that is the small tab for the rear bumper pad....maybe? Very cool that we are finally down to the minutia. I will be going down to L.A. on Saturday the 14th to see the car- can't wait to see it.
Just looking at that thing hurts. I tore three pairs of pants on mine and cut my thigh open each time before I finally wrapped it in enough tape to make it safe to walk around.
So Kent wanted to change the way the oil cooler and the shroud attaches. He welded up these holes and will work some cool magic.
We are getting closer to color.....
So the seam of the the top of the roll bar and the sail panel looked bad before. That was not Scott's work- that was how the car was when I got it. Covered by the chrome trim, but it needed to be corrected. Kent took care of it.
As you can see it now looks perfect.
So then Kent moved on to the cowl that had some waves and it is now perfect
Then came the windshield surround, A-pillars- one of the few areas of the car that really did not need any metal work.
Here is the deck lid straight and flat and ready for the next step.
The body has been primed and blocked twice now and is looking great.
Color can't be far behind!!!!!
I can't figure out how he keeps the shop so clean. Multiple coats and sandings. Full time job with the shopvac.
Yeah, I know. Kent's shop is exactly what you would expect based upon the work you see. That's the way it should be. The first time I walked into his shop I relaxed and knew I was in the right place.
SixerJ - Thank you very much. I am glad you are enjoying the build.
So I was down to Kent's shop, Auto Art Customs, to see my car and catch up on the progress. Kent has been busy nailing down all of the little issues that may often be overlooked when a car is completely redone. I am just amazed at the level of craftsmanship he brings to the table. Here are some pictures, but it is difficult to really see the detail in photos:
People will be reading and studying this and other restoration threads of Kent's for years.
That is my hope. When you look up "Craftsmanship" in the dictionary (or Google it for the younger crowd) you should see Kent's face.
It will be shame to put paint on that
I would have really liked to have left it all in metal finish and just cleared it. It looked so cool like that.
Now if Kent had just replaced all the body panels with stainless steel......
What are the bronze pipes?
If oil cooler runs, can you show the transition from the outer Long into the front trunk?
Also, what are your thoughts on vibration and tubing cracking over time?
I'm sure those are the brass oil cooler lines going to the front mounted oil cooler
those brass lines are the 3rd to last set I made
Just paint this thing already!!!
Man, that gold in the engine bay really pops out!
Everyday I look to see what color it will be..
I’ve known for a couple years. Sworn to secrecy.
I like the pic of it in black! But then again I would say that.
I also know, or I used to. I’m old and probably forgot. Even if I remembered, I wouldnt say. Despite what Scotty says, Michael is a nice guy. He’s been through a lot and deserves the great unveil...Very soooooon...
Thanks guys. I appreciate the support. Though I may occasionally slip and make a negative comment, I try to keep it positive but still let others know to beware. Given the situation I have had to deal with, I hope I am forgiven for occasionally getting upset.
I have easily over 100 photos of my car as it was when I picked it up at Scott's, before Kent did a thing to it except put it on a rotisserie. As everyone now knows, I have been trying to get some kind of refund from Scott and consequently have been reluctant to show all of the damage to my chassis as I try to resolve that situation. However, as it seems that train has likely left the station, I may end up posting those pictures so all can see how bad the work actually was.
I would have rather posted those comments and ultimately the pictures I have in the other thread I started that was locked in short order, but that is now not possible. I understand why the thread was locked, but I have seen threads where others have complained about other vendors non-stop and those threads do not get locked. I understand the responses to my comments were out there and frankly unprofessional, but I hoped they would address that person directly and not foreclose my ability to air this issue and alert others to the practices I suffered. BTW, I thought the rapid replies were proof in and of themselves that there were issues.
Get the car finished and enjoy it!
Your car's progression has been glorious to watch. I hope the time, efforts, and cost will have been worth it in the end.
Sorry all, I guess I slipped again. I have now sent Scott the photos he requested and will await his reply. If he and I are able to resolve this issue I will post that to close this out once and for all.
I think I am done posting about it on forums. I am very thankful I am able to move passed that and keep the restoration/build moving along.
Great work Kent. This is one straight Six and will look terrific in color.
At this point it's probably better than the original factory body in white
Time for paint!!!!!!!!
I would absolutely agree with that Bill.
> At this point it's probably better than the original factory body in white
Yes I think it definitely is.
wow...that was quick.
One year anniversary (@ Kent's)
Time for a party....soon
That is right. Kent has had my car for 1 year as of July 26th, I think. Given all of the work he has done, I am beyond impressed with Kent's ability to turn this chassis completely around and make it a solid, straight, ready-for-paint chassis that I love looking at. I can not find one spot that I believe needs work now.
Wow......looking great Michael and Kent!
Okay, all at once now....
"paint, paint, paint, paint, paint"
I know, but all good things come to those who wait.... I have waited patiently (mostly) and would never put a rush or pressure on Kent. Frankly, he has whipped my car into shape faster than I thought humanly possible. Soon enough, when the planets align, it will be in color.
Isn’t Kalifinoria a golden state?
That was 30 years ago. CA is no longer that state sadly.
Really, Kent... Now you're just showing off.
Much as I love watching the process, I'll happily admit that I can't wait to see the finished product. Thanks for taking us on this journey.
Hi Andy- Trust me, the last thing she needs are more diamonds. I am not a fan of gold either as sad as it is to say. Kent has the paint sitting and waiting to shoot.
it will shine bright like a diamond , no matter...color
Hey thanks guys, appreciate the nice comments.
We're getting close.
What ever color you did choose, it's going to look fantastic!
Damn, I love that color. That is a great looking 914.
The engine is now ready to slip into the car. Thanks go to Aase (Allen) and Jim for getting this wrapped up and ready to go. The only change will be the replacement of the K&N air element with the NOS air-box I have.
WOWSER! Timeline for squirting the chassis?
Gorgeous engine...in the meantime I'd throw a glass top on it and place in my living room.
Then drink a beer and stare at it....have enough beers it may start!!!
Love this thread...learning a lot
MB911's heat exchangers are looking good on that engine!
Should be a very fun car to drive and enjoy.
I appreciate the comments. I am pretty excited to have that part almost wrapped up. I have no issues with the K&N filter, except I kind of believe it would just be a bit louder than the factory airbox. At my age, I really do not want it to be any louder behind my head than necessary. That's why I sourced a NOS airbox.
As for the car getting painted, I leave all that to Kent. He does not need any prodding when it comes to getting my car done.
Thanks for the tip re the MAF hitting the engine lid release. I know we had to move that on my other 914-6 that had a 3.0 with CIS. I do not know if the stock 3.2 airbox will create issues with the engine lid latch or not. Anyone know?
Well we can deal with that once the engine is installed. We can test fit the lid and see what we have to do.
This thread is like playing with a Jack-In-The-Box. Clicking on it is like turning the handle and wondering if the colorful clown is going to pop up.
Love that engine though
So I believe this is wrapping up the body work on the car. There were a bunch of lite pick hammer strikes on the underside of the hood that are now fixed. The hood fits great.
Excited that this car is being resurrected in the “Golden” sunshine state.
Love the picture of the engine and the heat exchangers..
Thought you might Ben.
The big reveal!
I like it.
IZ That Irish Green ?? ...I ...love it
told you all, CA went green
Whoo hoo! Congratulations Cario. I had a feeling it would be Irish.
OK- the cats out of the bag. Yes it is Irish Green. My last Six was Irish Green and my wife and I both loved that color.
Great color choice for a 914 Michael.
BINGO! My favorite color. Too cool.
Interior color please!
I think I just peed myself!
I appreciate that guys. The interior is black. I know cork would look cool too, but I am sort of recreating my last Six.
Looking just fantastic !
Take it from a guy named Rory Gallagher.......Great choice !!!
Probably my favorite 914-6 color. It’s going to look great!
first car out of high school..MY SIX...ya I wrecked it..but still have it on a frame bench..
Fantastic color choice! You have to elated to be at this point! Congratulations for reaching this milestone in this long and arduous journey.
Great choice, I love the Gween!
Seriously? I'm actually the first to say it?
I'm GREEN with envy!
Gonna be awesome...
I have a matched set of deep sixes being completed by Harvey Weidman- factory finish. I want a set of Gas Burners, I have always loved those, but they will have to wait until the car is complete and in my garage. My focus is to get the car complete before I buy spare set of wheels.
Best Gold I have ever seen . This is a really nice Color for a six.
Loved Justin Fischer's (I think that's his last name) Irish Green 914/6...i remember the sound of it drving to/from an east-coast cookout back in the early 00's.
That's kind of what made me lust after the sound of a /6, even though I had a hot/carb'ed 2.0 with a triad at the time.
Any green is good with me. Love it.
You're that much closer to actually driving it!!
Kent has done a wonderful job (again) not only on your car, but in showing the progression of work performed in pictures. I'm sure it takes a lot of time and patience to post all the photos that have been generated from these exquisite 914 restorations he does. I wish my black car was "in queue" with him.
He will have people in line for his services for the rest of his life.
Bravo, my hat is off to all involved.
Maybe you can pin stripe it in gold, or maybe some gold body side molding..
I have no planned schedule. When it is together it will be done. It is moving quickly and I see no reason that it will stop.
Great choice, one of my personal favourite colours. Also means the torrid times are receding further into into the far distance every day
Everyone is going to really enjoying seeing this car come together
Happy to see color and the big reveal! Congrats on progress and choice. Hope to see this car some day!
Good for you Michael. Wow. That’s a great colour.
Glad this is all coming together.
I see that the copper gold oxidized to green.
It's an evolutionary color
We need an update!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim just sent me this pic of the transaxle attached to the engine. Little different angle than previously posted.
Now you're just toying with us
Hey....what's that hose going onto the tranny bell housing?
Trying to distract and give you time.....
Looks like this is not the first gold to green conversion
Close- it appears that car is copper originally. But it shows you were looking and I appreciate that.
What the heck? I haven’t seen the green hornet driving around the neighborhood yet. Did Kent retire?
No worries - it will be in color soon enough.
How can you be so calm? I'm hungry for the main course!
I know. I have been waiting a long long time for this phase to wrap up. But from the day Kent got my Six, just over 13 months ago, he has been all over it. It was not on him that it took 61 months for the car to get to him - that was my fault. I have never pressured Kent to get this done by a certain date. This phase of the build is the critical foundation to make the car what I want.
Nice Michael! Love that green! And the detail in the engine transmission build! Wow! My car is nice, but I’d be honored if you’d let me park next to that car at a meet!
I appreciate that a lot. But we are still quite a ways off from me driving it for sure.
I read this whole thread yesterday afternoon, Kent, your work is first rate and your attention to detail is impressive!
Cairo, way to keep with it! You found the right guy for the job! The only thing I can think is that the gold color is pretty badass. Those 70s colors are making a comeback. My next project may just have to be painted that gold. I think it would look amazing on a flared car!
Can't wait to see you driving your car!
Thanks for taking the time to check out the whole thread. I had to break it into Part 1 and Part 2 to have it make sense.
Prep is 98%
I call those fine details "dirty fingernails". Awesome work here
More dirty work.....
I know everyone wants to see the car with color on it but you can't rush expert workmanship. But the car is back on the rotisserie and that means it is now really close to seeing color.
Stop the teasin and start the pleasin..
Getting exited to see the whole car in color.
Thats great news..
It will look great in your garage with your new wall art.
On another note kent several people have asked me about making your spare tire mount.. Rather then reinventing it would you be willing to share any sketches?
That is the kind of man Kent is. He is always looking out for us. Of course Ben is making parts we all love and need. I have had more compliments on my SS (Ben's) heat exchangers and muffler and it is not even in the car yet.
A little more work being done now that the car is back on the rotisserie. Kent made a pull on the bottom of the long to straighten it out where it was apparently jacked up at one point, possibly decades ago. Also he bored a hole in the end of the long to stick a borescope in their to see if there was any lingering sand in there and then blew it clean and it is ready for frame coating to be sprayed in there to keep it all nice.
Then on the bottom he welded on one of two reinforcement straps.
Pretty sure this has been covered, but, what are yu using for cavity wax or rust prevention?
Thanks for the updates!
You see a hole and then you don't!
I thought I saw mig welded brake line bracket ??
I am not sure what kind of weld was on that bracket, or even why it was welded like that, but it looked funky and Kent corrected it.
My brother and I are planning to head down to see Kent, Jim and Andy at the end of the month. Can't wait to see my Six and just catch up with them.
Some of the brackets have funky welds from the factory
Here is my rear bumper, all nicely straightened and-chromed by ValcoOscar. Thank you ValcoOscar-you are the man.
Any new updates?
Not yet. But I believe we may be seeing something by the end of the month when I am next down in LA to see The Justice League.
Mike and his brother Bob came down today, after the Cone Zone we all headed over to my shop to see his car. I was holding off from posting pics till he saw the car so here's the latest.
It’s beautiful! Great color!
Green it the new gold.
Green with envy! Nice color. Won't be long now.
Looking SO good now !
Winner, winner.....chicken dinner!
There are lots of interesting things going on over at Kent's shop. Michael's car is finally in good (great) hands.
Thanks to Kent for the shop tour today. Between Kent, Andy, Bob, and Jim, these guys know how to turn out a pretty fine 914-6 build.
The boys looking at the magnificence of Irish Green out in the sunshine:
Looks great !
Your six is looking great! Love the dark green!
Thanks guys. This has been a long, long time coming. I realize more and more how fortunate I am to have met the Justice League, (Jim, Kent, Andy and Bob) without whom, this project would have certainly died. Once I spoke with Kent and then saw Andy and Jim's cars, both benchmarks in their own right , I decided to stick with my Six come hell or high water. Kent received my car in bad shape . Kent was able to take my chassis and in 14 short months, turn it into a perfect, metal finished chassis with no bondo . It looked so good bare metal that I wanted to just shoot it in clear and put it together.
Kent tackled my car with zeal. I can not express how it felt to see my car with all of the bodywork done and ready for paint. Then to see it in Irish Green on Saturday, (11/3/18) was just awesome. I do not believe they looked that beautiful when they rolled off the assembly line.
I am already looking forward to the next trip down to LA , hopefully before Christmas , as the exterior will be Irish Green and it should be a "roller" and likely at Jim's by that time. Speaking of Jim, this guy is unstoppable. He has most of my parts already ready to go back on my car and is itching to get going on assembly.
Andy, (Sandy, Mandy, Candy... ) remembering when his car was at this stage, 6 years ago, was as excited as I was as he looked at it. He commented, "With all the metal and body work done, from this point forward it is very exciting as you begin to see the car come to life with shiny parts."
We had all met up at the Cone Zone in Seal Beach and last count was 21 914's. It was cool to see them gather in the wild like that. I got to meet Lawrence (Larmo63), Oscar (ValcoOscar), Marv (Marv's3.6Six), Taylor and several other great guys- all of whom are active members here. They were all very supportive and glad my car was out of the metal and bodywork stage.
Kudos, cheers and beers to Kent for getting after this and making it an honest build with all of its ugliness laid bare for all to see before it became the car it is now. The bad juju is behind me and the fun stuff begins really soon. Stay tuned as my car starts to be reassembled.
Looks great.. Can't wait to see it get it's wheels under it.
Wish I'd have made the trip up.
Michael, I think these are the key words from your post "Kent was able to take my chassis and in 14 short months, turn it into a perfect, metal finished chassis with no bondo" Not many can say that. Metal work is truly an art IMHO and you have a very fine example. Looking forward to assembly. Cheers to all!
Better than new!! very exciting!
Your car is in a league of its own and its great that you stuck with it. This is such a great build!
Thanks everyone- I appreciate the support and comments.
I really appreciate the pictures. I look forward to seeing my car as a roller again. Thanks Andy for posting those.
Beautiful but I'd be as nervous a a "whore in church" working around a pristine shell. One slip of the wrench and .......well you know. This project has gone from a "suspicious build" to a work of art.
Can I just say...
Won't be too long....
That green is beautimus! Like it!
You are going to drive that?
Buy another one and put that under glass in your living room!
Yes I am going to drive it.
If you saw Michael's shit eatin' grin at Kent's shop the other day, you would know he's going to drive it.
He's going to drive the crap out of it!!!
It looks great. Andy and Kent are working quickly. How long before it moves to the assembly house? In anticipation, I’m trying to get my trailer emptied, but the contractor is dragging his ass.
Thanks Lawrence- you are correct.
Hi Dave- I really appreciate that. I believe as soon as we get some wheels on it, it is going to Jim's. I am hoping w/in 2 weeks.
Right now we are dealing with a front strut issue. I bought a set of '79 SC struts for the larger 3.5" early S calipers and then had the spindles raised by about 17mm. I also bought a set of Bilstein inserts for the front struts and apparently they do not fit. The Justice League is presently trying to sort that. I am hoping when I bought the struts they just shipped me inserts for a stock 914-6 and sort of lost the part of the conversation that I had switched to SC struts. If we can sort that, it will be a roller very soon.
God bless you Michael. You deserve to enjoy it to the max. Drive it hard, wipe the rubber specs off the rear panels, and drive on.
Do you have a tentative date or event? I would like to see it.
We do not. As the build moves along we will keep pictures posted. I would like to get it back home by this summer. I am pretty excited about seeing parts go on. I believe the wiring harness, fuel and brake lines may go in this weekend. I have an NOS Six wiring harness so that should not present any problems. I also have Tangerine Racing SS fuel lines and a complete set of new green brake lines from PMB as well as a new 19mm master cylinder and restored proportioning valve.
Hi Bruce - Thanks for thinking about this. I have sent you a PM.
Just ordered the sail panel vinyl set from Mark (914Rubber.com). I really think that is one of the defining features of our cars and can't wait to see it on the car.
Fun ....OK...Go Andy
Man, just looks great!
Holy Cow! You guys seriously got it done today. I wish I was there. That was a lot of progress in one day. I am amazed. Thanks for all of the hard work and thank you Andy for taking and posting all of the pics. Now please have a cold beer.
So Beautiful! Congrats Michael!
Looks like a new 914 kit that you can buy from a delear and just need to be assembled!
Hope before this car will go back to his own town, Jaime (oldschool) should make a documentation for Andy’s (socalandy) yellow 914-6 wide body, Jim’s (banananose914) tangerine narrow body and Michael’s (cairo94507) narrow body.
A wonderful and perfect metal built by Kent.
The overhead front trunk shot is amazing.
Irish Green...perhaps my favorite factory color for the 914, and one that suits its shape so well. This car is gonna be gorgeous.
So is the plan to re-block the exterior once it's all weighted up?
It looks beautiful! Though, aren't you a just a little bit scared of getting over spray on all the installed parts once the rest of the body gets painted?
I can't wait to see the finished project. It's been a very long time coming. You have to be so excited.
Thank you guys. I have 1000% confidence in Kent wrapping my car so tight not a speck of overspray will get in anywhere. I actually like they are able to get all of this stuff installed before it becomes a roller. It makes this stuff a whole lot easier to do.
That's a great photo Andy.
Wow guys - two amazing cars there now!
So we were having a front strut issue, the Bilstein inserts did not fit. Shortly after I bought my Six, (Feb. 2010) I purchased a set of struts complete w/brakes and rotors off a 911 SC from Parts Heaven in Hayward. They assured me the car these came from was a '79 SC, they were still on the car when I was there and they pulled them while I waited. I had a '79 SC back in '80, so I am familiar.
I had purchased the SC struts after talking with Eric Shea, so that I would have the 3.5" mounting for larger brakes calipers. Once I got that stuff I sent my SC front calipers to Eric for restoration and after discussing the goal for my car, he suggested I upgrade to the early aluminum S calipers which I did.
So my car and all of my parts then go cross country for restoration. Years later I get my car and parts and take it to the Justice League (Jim, Kent, Andy and Bob) for restoration. I then take the struts that were given to me as the ones I sent with my car, which are now completely disassembled, so I do not have the insert or the strut caps, and take them to Elephant Racing to have the spindles raised 17mm. The first shop tried to do this but could not get the spindle to come free from the strut. Elephant Racing handled the job and they came out beautifully.
Now we come to find out, when the Bilstein inserts would not fit, that I ended up with '74-'77 Carrera 2.7 struts..... I have no idea where the mix-up occurred....but I have my thoughts. I emailed the first shop re the situation and parts I am missing but have yet to hear anything. In his defense, he is apparently extremely busy. I am hoping this all works out as I am into these front struts for a bit of money at this point and really do not want to have to do this all over.
I think Sunday Jim and crew will be installing the struts to get my car on the ground. Hopefully it all works out. Anyway, this emphasizes the absolute need for every single part to be labeled, bagged and tagged when disassembled. That did not happen with my car when it was taken apart.
Hope it gets sorted
I have complete confidence in Jim and his crew. It will be on its wheels before you know it.
just wondering, in your 1st episode you had bilstein struts ...green
Michael. Correct me if I am wrong here but is there any difference between carrera (early) vs SC? I always thought as long as they are bilstein and 3.5 inch they are interchangeable regardless of year?
The 3.5 Billstein inserts for Billstein struts use a roll pin to secure the insert to the base of the shock. Boges don’t use a roll pin so it’s easy to spot the difference.
I believe mine have the pin; I hope that helps. I am pretty clueless regarding the differences and am relying upon the experts.
ya its a different insert than for boge struts
Oh man, that all looks good.
Looks great.. 1st time I have ever seen the lower brace welded on to struts for the steering. Assuming this is for controlling bump steer on a lowered car?
I noticed the front sway bar is not in yet. Are you going with stock or after market on that?
Yup. Elephant Racing modification as I want to lower the Six about 1-1.5" from stock ride height. I just think they look good a bit lower than stock. So we raised the spindle about 17mm to help offset the lowering and then did the gusset, etc. to control/prevent bump steer. Hopefully it all works as intended.
Before we raised the spindles I had Harvey Weidman ship one of my widened deep six wheels (7" total, widened 1" on the back side) back to the shop where my car was from May 2012 to July 2017, to check everything for fitment/clearance before we raised the spindle. I was told it was all good and 17mm would be perfect. The wheel was then shipped back to Weidman for finish work. Elephant Racing ultimately did the spindle raise as the other shop was unable to do it.
Seems odd to me that you would upgrade the front struts and not upgrade the rear with a more fine tunaeable coilover...??? Also not a fan of the black strut dust covers vs bilstein green.
I guess that’s about all I can critique, your car is looking awesome!
No worries and thank you. I have been thinking about the rear coilover upgrade and we may need to do that to get the rear to sit where I want it. But for now, we are just trying to get it to "roller" status so it can come off the rotisserie and get the rest of the body shot and then go to Jim's.
We have stock later model sway bars going on front and rear. The 914-6 never came with sway bars as far as I am aware. But I sourced a pair from a '73 if I recall correctly.
I agree. I do believe there is a set of those in my cars future. I really want it to sit where I want it to sit and that is the best way to do it.
Wow! It's becoming a car
You should paint the outside of it now......
I can't think of a resto more than I want to see finished,what a journey it has been ????.
Good luck mate.
As a guy who loves vintage Porsche cars, especially the 914, it is an absolute inspiration to see and watch some the high quality work being done on these cars! You all keep me inspired to continue to work on bettering my own car. Keep up the great work! Looking forward to seeing continued progress on these builds!
Your car has a nicer fit and finish on the bottom than all most cars have up top.
I think it is the cleanest undercarriage 6 in the world. When you show it have some mirrors under it so people can see just how clean it is. Just like low riders do.
Well done to all the craftsmen / artisans that have been on its rebirth over the last year or so.
Right on 914 Bro.
Kent, Jim, Andy and Bob are the best of the best of the best. That's why I refer to them as "The Justice League".
It's not easy to get this stuff and it is very, very expensive. I have top people in the field working on it.....
This type of OEM restoration is not my "cup of tea" but the level of workmanship keeps me glued to this thread. The attention to detail is now second to none. Something tells me that this journey shall have a very happy ending. I hope the I get to see it in person one day. This build shall be the benchmark of future 914 restorations.
> We have stock later model sway bars going on front and rear.
Since you are already going slightly non-stock on some things, I'd really recommend a stiffer front Tarrett sway bar. I like how their 22mm bars change the cars.
And just curious... are you going to put the "914-6 black goop" on top of the front struts?
Hi Steve - I really am aiming to keep this a cruiser. It will not be tracked, auto-X or otherwise. That's kind of why the suspension is being set up to be (hopefully) pretty compliant with the Elephant Racing rubber bushings. I am going to go with the stock 914 bars with the Bilsteins and the 140 pound rear springs. I am hoping that with the grooves on the rear shocks we will be able to set the ride height where I want it and not need coilovers. That's at least how we will start out and see how it works out. Should we drive it and see it needs additional help up front to keep it "flat" then I will consider the Tarrett front bar. Thanks for the suggestion. As always this is a learning process and I learn as we move along.
As for the black goop (technical term) on the tops of the front struts, my initial thought is "no". I am not trying to make anyone think this is all original at all. Now, had I done a correct concours restoration, then I would consider that. I have enough changes from stock that unless I can see a need for the black goop, I would not do it. Do you know if that goop had any real value to the build? I know the factory had to do it for a reason, but it escapes me.
It’s on 911’s as well. Helps seal up the top from water, etc.
I agree with Mark.
It is to keep splashed water from entering the front compartment.
Porsche must have seen it as a shortcoming on the bodies they received from
Oddly, water doesn't usually enter any 914 in that area.
They should have put some effort into the battery area.
OK- learn something new everyday. Given I do not plan on driving my Six in the rain, I am leaning towards "no" for the Goop. Thanks Guys.
I wouldn't goop it and yes, you WILL want rear collars.
You can adjust the rear to exact with them. They aren't expensive either, but by now you're probably going broke.
I agree.....forgo the "goop." It's not needed on your car.
Yup sounds good.
And while I'm offering unsolicited opinions... given what you said, I think you might want to consider going with a lighter rear spring. On my green 914-6 car it has 100# rears and its nice and close to stock. I think there is a BIG difference in road comfort between and 140# and 100#. But maybe that's just my driving style... softer/stock springs & torsion bars, but stiff sway bars.
On my more "sporting" 3.6 car I had gone from 140# to 180# to 250# which is where it seems nice for its purpose. But for any sort of mostly street car, as I like the 100# springs.
I will definitely consider that once we get a chance to drive it and see how it rides. I really am looking for a non-jarring ride. Should the 140's be too stiff, then we certainly consider the 100's.
3.2 engines also have a little more weight than stock 2.0. Even tire brand and pressure will influence the ride so driving is the best way to decide what you like.
Are you guys on vacation ....
Now that my Six is once again a "roller" it will now be back in the painting process for color on the body. No rush as we are all busy at this time of year. It's going to look beautiful.
Jesus....I had a minor heart palpitation when I opened this thread and saw a freshly painted Irish Green tub, then I looked closer and at the OP and realized it was not my car.
What's going on with the build? Waiting on pins and needles!
Now is the slow work. It takes a lot of hours to get her finished. Step by step
Impressive and beautiful!
That is going to be a seriously handsome car
GoGreen said the Irish
Wow! It’s stunning! I’m a green person and I’m really blown away!
WOW! I am just blown away by the color in the photos. I can not wait until my twin brother Bob and I see it in person-hopefully in two weeks.
If you aren't aware, getting my Six to this point was a very heavy lift. My car came apart in 2012. I took it to Kent's shop at the end of July in 2017 and he had a lot of work ahead of him to get it back to factory specs or better. In less than 18 months we have an absolutely perfect chassis sprayed in Irish Green. The skills it took to get my chassis to this point are over the top. There is no "bondo" on this car; it is all metal work.
My car has not seen the light of day as a "roller" since that day in 2012. The hardest part of this project is behind us. Now all of the nice parts get to go back on and the car transforms into what it is supposed to be, a 914-6 that reminds people how cool these cars are.
I know as I type this, Jim, Kent and perhaps Andy and Bob are probably assembling things that will finally be off the floor, shelves, etc and back on the car where they belong. I can't wait until the engine/transaxle go back in and lower that beauty down. Looks like a 4-wheel drive right now- a beautiful 4 wheel drive.
7 long years in the making.
What a stunning end result.
Enjoy every second my friend....you deserve it.
its a WIP ,,,we got visions of excellence..
And one of the great 914 colors, to boot. Well done, and I remember the excitement of the day my car came home in that same state, but red.
Congrats, it sure is great to see your beautiful car at this stage, you are now on the home stretch my friend. I thought it only fitting to post the first picture from this very thread to celebrate how far you and your 914 have come. Yes, 18 months and now on page 57 of this thread with all the ups and downs, it is now so close!
Additionally I think this is the coolest picture, as it not only shows how perfect the door is but the sidewalk shown in the door is like art. A green mirror.
Outstanding Kent. As expected....
Absolutely fantasic, congratulations to everyone involved.
Thanks everyone. It has been a a journey to get to this point for sure. I just can't thank the Justice League (Jim, Kent, Andy and Bob) enough. Because without them speaking up this project would not have moved forward.
Looking great there guys... Now lets get that six back together.
Was the main wiring a NOS part or a Kroon wire harness ?
It is an NOS harness. I was very lucky to get that and I believe it may have been the first part I bought for my car. That alone should make reassembly a lot smoother.
God save the Green
Love that green!!!
Today was a cool day. My brother and I drove up to Oroville to meet with Harvey Weidman and pick up my wheels. So first I plug in his address in the Navigation and look at the time we were showing for arrival! Good omen? I think so. Now look at the wheels and tires. I am telling you Harvey is the best; I know why he gets wheels sent to him from all over the world. By the way these are deep sixes, widened 1" on the back side with barrels Harvey has made. Then we wrapped them in Yokohama 205/55R 15 tires. I can't wait to put one on the car and see how they look. Enjoy this wheel porn:
Super clean and the tires are great to save the wheels if there is a scrape accident.
You mean to tell me that you are going to put those down on the actual ground!? They could get dirty. Oh my.
Too funny about the time! Truly a good omen
My 185/70s days may be numbered. Always did like the way my car drove on 205/55...
i have 205/55-16, so the 205/55-15 a bit smaller than stock yes?
I believe so. Not sure how much smaller. I would have preferred to stay with a stock height tire- it's just very hard to find a decent tire for 15"x7" wheels.
For what you paid and your limited choices, it all looks good. If the "perfect" tire becomes available, find a set of cookies for these tires. Never hurts to have a second set of wheels.
In DOT summer tires thread wear 200 , 15's have a really good tire selection , much better that 16's....I get reasonable wear out of them , with track like traction...reasonable is subjective of course....
When I grow up, I am sending my 914 to Andy.
OMG! That is just crazy! You guys are rolling right along. I can't wait until I see it on Saturday. Seeing all the stuff go on is amazing. I especially like the vinyl on the back heated glass. The oil cooler lines, headlight motors, taillights, rear bumper, all look great.
trying to figure, whats the next 914-6 color
As part of my 914-6 advertising history web site, I have collected photos of a large number of 914/6s. A few years ago, I did some surveys of those photos. At the following link there is a small analysis of the distribution of colors.
There are also other analysis of things like how many cars have fender flares and how many are street cars vs track prepared cars and a guess as to how many might be left.
what did you use for adhesive for the sail panel trim?
Just Beautiful! Great job!
I have USA rear lenses, but after seeing Jim's Euro lens on the rear, I will need a set of Euros. They look great with the dark color. If anyone has a cherry set of Euros and they want to trade for a cherry set of USA rears, hit me up.
I hope you can tell, but the paint..... it looks like you can put your hand a foot deep into it. Kent's work is crazy perfect.
Oh THAT'S the stuff! I needed that. :
It just blows my mind to see my car coming together. I am blessed to be able to have this team of experts working on my Six.
Thank you Jim, Kent, Andy and Bob.
It’s looking incredible. You must be so stoked. It’s been a very long time coming.
Thanks so much Karl. Yes, I am very excited to see it coming together. Thanks a bunch buddy.
Woof woof! Looks incredible with the dark green.
My engine builder tried to get me to paint my car this color.
Glad I didn't, as it wouldn't have lived up to your build quality.
Super nice there.
The build is moving quickly and before long you will finally hear the engine wake from its long slumber.
It has been a long journey filled with side trips, missteps, triumphs and tragedy. However, you have stayed focused on the destination and the end is in sight.
I’m very excited for you and can’t wait to see you take the first drive. Even though I’m not a fan of the band, the first song you play in the car should Grateful Dead’s “Truckin’”.....lately, it occurs to me what a long strange trip it’s been
Thanks Bill. I appreciate that. Yeah, I am impressed with the way the car is coming together. Jim, Kent, Andy and Bob know what they are doing- no doubt.
OK, Holy McWowsers!
The level of quality on that paint job really is beyond words.
Hope I get to see it in the flesh at some point.
Sweet! Love the progress. Wiper motor in too- how cool is that. Thanks Andy for posting the pics too.
That is some serious progress!
Amazing to watch this come together. Impeccable.
Wonderful - excites me no end to get on with mine when it comes home.
I think I see some dust in one of those pictures...entire car has to be disassembled!
Seriously beautiful car and work. I am so excited to see the progress!
And yes, the Hella horns will go black. I wanted to upgrade to a horn that caught your attention when honked. But I still want it to appear (mostly) stock. Thanks for your thoughts.
That car is simply flawless. There's no adequate description.
I am very excited to see the progress. Glass back in the car with beautiful trim too. Defroster motor looks better than new. Targa bar trim looks crazy.
The GE LED headlights was a tough call. I went with them because they are always down/hidden unless it's dark and then you can't see them anyway. I wanted the maximum lighting I could get in a stock configuration and I did not want to put more heat through the factory harness. So, I knew it would be LED headlights from day one. I have no idea how they are going to work- but am certain they will be at least twice as bright as the factory sealed beam "candles".
I stopped by today for a free lunch. Man the car looks great. I made a template so we can put the Porsche emblem on the frunk lid. Need to get it on straight and centered. All sixes had them from the factory....
Hi Dave - Thanks a lot. I missed seeing you the last couple times we were down. I appreciate the template- I know Jim wanted to install a crest on his car too....
(OK don't everyone go crazy- no crest on any 914 from the factory and we will not have one on my car.)
Thanks Mark. I can't wait to see them when lit.
(OK don't everyone go crazy- no crest on any 914 from the factory and we will not have one on mine.
That is what i thought until i saw this in two different 914 sales pieces. Euro version 6 with a hood crest. And i think the two flat 8 engine cars had them.
Might be the same yellow car.
If you must. cut the pins off,, 3m sticky it on...NOHOLES
There will be no crest on my hood. As you were everyone.
That's pretty freakin cool. But I am afraid the DMV inspectors, PC police, etc. would nail me at some point for wanton disregard of and negligently endangering the lives of pedestrians in the event they ran into the front of my car and happened to take that little skeleton up where the sun don't shine.....
Everyone, I was just yanking Michaels chain about the hood crest... the car is not getting a crest. Brent, that is a cool hood ornament for an outlaw 914. Maybe it will end up on my POS....
Man that paint is disgustingly beautiful.... Sorry Micheal, but you are not allowed to this car outside of the garage. Just sit in it and make car noises. Seriously happy for you.
Thanks so much.
Andy, Jim and Kent, you guys are doing awesome work!
Looking forward to seeing the car in person.
Super nice... color looks great!
Wow, it's coming together quickly - great job to all those involved. Looking fantastic.
If you guys fancy a trip to the UK to give a brother a hand...
Michael, absolutely beautiful job !
No 914 owner will will ever park anywhere near you.
You've shamed us all.
I appreciate all of the comments. I am just trying to make this a really nice driver that will represent the 914 to future generations of car lovers. I totally hit the jackpot with Jim, Kent and Andy.
I'm not parking next to that ever... you'll end up with butt marks on your fenders from people sitting down while staring.
I didn't say "daily", I said driver. I plan on driving this car whenever I am home and not working. Of course, not in the rain.
Have you reserved space in the museum and started construction of the pedestal yet? Looks like you're gonna need it soon!!!
Michael, that looks astounding. I cant wait to come over to visit again and actually see it instead of talking about it! Mines next.
Curious...Are you planning on applying any kind of protective coating (nano-ceramic coating or even a film) to protect that gorgeous paint job?
Thanks so much. I look forward to seeing you and being able to talk about the whole process. I sill love your 2.0 and wish I had one too.
Yes as to the paint protection. I will likely go with a clear-bra to wrap the complete hood, maybe the A-pillars, door handle cups, door edges and behind the wheels. I will also do film on the fog light lenses and maybe the front bumper. Overkill? Probably. But it comes off easily enough.
I feel really good about the paint Kent applied. We cut no corners, did not rush and I expect it will hold up well. We all know rocks show no mercy so better to take some steps to protect the paint. All of my daily drivers for the past 15 years have had clear-bras and they keep the cars looking like new or darn close. So in my (little) brain, well worth the expense and occasional comment that you can see the clear-bra.
Some believe I won't be driving this car- I will gladly disappoint them. I just wanted to start with a "new" car so I could keep it nice and not have to worry about chunks falling off when I closed the door.
Mike wrap the whole thing. I just did the front and some small other areas on my Cayman, 2 years later I wish I paid to have all of it done. A stone chip on the roof, AYFKM.
More progress on the green monster
Kent, Jim and Bob on the car today. I severed the left middle finger tendon and will have surgery next week until next time
Wow- making nice progress and looking great. Very sorry to hear about your finger Andy. I hope the surgery goes well and you recover quickly.
This car just looks so great on many levels.
Just noticed this....
You've got later window (scissor) mechanisms inside your doors.
Did your 71 come with those as standard?
My 71 has got the older (screw) style mechanisms.
I'm sure yours will work a billion times better than mine....ha.
Again, what a great looking color and attention to detail on your car.
One of the changes I wanted was the crash-bar (later) doors for the added protection and to get the later window mechanism. My car came with the early doors and window mechanisms. I hope once it is all buttoned up that is a detail that will be unrealized by 99.99% of people.
Everything is way too shiny.
Simply beautiful. Destined to be one of the greats!
It's really hard to tell from this picture but, I think I see a spec of dust on the floor. If not addressed, it may contaminate the car.
The only problem I can see is that this car is way too nice to drive.
Awesome job, you must be very, very happy.
Thanks a lot. I am very happy. The Justice League (Jim, Kent, Andy and Bob) are all off the scale of perfectionists- so that works well for me and my OCD.
I can't wait to be able to walk out into my garage and find the car missing because my wife took it for a ride! She drove my last Six all of the time. Given the level of detail on this car, I am not sure she will take it out alone for a while, but I am sure she will drive it. Her daily driver is the '10 C4S 6 speed, so I think she will be fine with the Six.
I just pray I am the one to get the first chip, ding, dent, scratch on it because if it is her, she will really go into a deep depression about messing up my baby. Hey, Kent is only 6 hours away.....
> I severed the left middle finger tendon
OUCH! How did you do that?
what adhesive did you use for the roll bar and targa bar vinyl?
Okay, I'm officially on the floor after living through this phenomenal story via a 'one sitting' read. I'm way late to the party (story of my life) but have caught up on the green odyssey.
Just remarkable. Ups, downs, then a couple more downs, then a long and arduous ascent to the level here. Really inspiring.
Outstanding work, cooperation from the team, and I'm seriously biased but that's the most gorgeous color ever. Had a dark green Pantera for 9 years (was mint and got mintier in time) that the color always got me. Yours is the same but even prettier. Nice job.
Thanks for seeing this through to this project through!
AHudson- Thank you for reading the whole thread. Did you read Part 1 linked at the bottom of my "signature"?
Yeah, it has been a roller coaster for sure but that all changed once Jim, Kent, Andy and Bob reached out to me. Really, they are the true gems of this project and should be considered valuable assets for this community. Without them stepping forward after seeing what I was going through, I would have likely sold the car as a never-realized project. Instead, it is the Six I have always dreamed about.
Yeah, I lost a lot of money on this project before pulling the plug and bringing it to L.A, but I guess there are worse ways to lose money.
It really has been a journey—but this is now turning into what has to be one of the nicest, most beautiful narrow-body 914s out there, period. I am awed by just how good it is, and can't wait to see the finished product!
Thanks Pete. I appreciate that. Michael
Very Cool - see what I did there.....Thanks for posting Andy.
What is the purpose for that tool?
Just a driver
Thank you Kent.
I supplied these!
Car looks amazing!
matra vw p 674/1 ebay $20 portland ore..sold
Aircooled.net has a dash switch escutcheon tool for $22.95. If you must have Snap-On, or rgalla9146's antique Heyco, you may be out of luck.
Or make your own tool.
I am going down to see the crew on June 8th and then going to WCR for the day. At least that's the plan. I may have some pictures when I get home.
You need guys who can build cars faster.....
We wanted to see this ripping around the 2019 WCR!!!!
No, it's not a reveal party. The engine is not in the car yet. I am going down just to see progress and then we are going to WCR to check it out.
I stopped by yesterday to drop off some stuff for Jim for you.
Car looks absolutely amazing! They are doing a great job with it.
btw- let me know what you want for the "deep 7's" if you don't end up trading them
I really appreciate that. I will be speaking with Harvey this week to see if they will be available or not. Thanks again.
You guys are the best. Thanks for all of the hard work and expertise. I can't wait until 6/8 when I get to see it in person.
That is one of the best paint jobs I have ever seen. it just gets better every time you post.
Another productive day
Will this be at the WCR?
I don’t think so, still waiting on the leather interior pieces and a few other items and the engine and trans still needs to be installed. We’ve talked about it but not worth rushing and sacrifice quality
Everything looks terrific Andy; thanks for posting pictures for all to enjoy. Thank you Jim, Andy, Kent and Bob for doing exactly what you said you would do and how you said you would do it. These guys are absolutely the real deal.
Well, I'd have lost the bet if I'd put money on never spending time looking enviously at a picture of a door sill cover or an antenna.
And I'm coining a new phrase: "Over the top of the top!"
Michael, I simply can't imagine how thrilled you must be. Cudos and much respect to Kent, Andy and the others on the build team. Just WOW!
Looking good guys.
Well I can tell you it came stock on the '71 914-6. Here it is on my car right after I bought it. It hard to see in all of the oil and crud that was pooled behind the seat. Hard to believe that is the same area.
There is another saying that I've heard a thousand times but in truth I believe this might be the first time it rings true; Better than new!
Wow! This car is gorgeous!
Thanks for posting the pics Andy.
Kudos to the build team. Simply wonderful.
Michael - You're so close to driving this beauty!
You must be dying from anticip....
I've run out of superlatives for this car. Who did the seats? Nice to see the thigh pad trussed down the way the factory did them.
Thanks a lot. Jim was adamant in talking with the upholstery shop that the seats be done correctly. We did add seat heaters.... I am no spring chicken and being comfortable when the top is off is a must.
Great work guys
Really sharp looking.
Even the mods are tasteful, factory-like.
I love your build! Better than brand new. Finish on all the parts are AAA
Thanks for the pictures Andy. I like the progress; it's nice to see the top back on the car. I like the new hood crest- and it's gold- a win win.
Now before anyone loses their stuff over the under carriage flaps, I asked the Justice League to add those for the extra cooling they reportedly provide when driving. I figured they came stock in the mid and later years for just that purpose so they could not hurt. Anything that promotes air circulation has to be good, right?
I stopped by yesterday for another free lunch and to give those fellas some direction . Lots of progress.
Here’s a word picture. Jim at the work bench cleaning and adjusting parts that will never be seen .Bob testing electrical parts/switches. Relay this, riostat that Bob tells Jim, you have several fog light switches, which one do you want to use. Jim replies, the best one. At the same time, Andy and Kent are fitting and refitting the back pad until it is far better then the factory ever dreamed of. One final adjustment on the interior light, then screw the backpack in place. Just the smell makes the leather a good investment. Andy under the dash for hours at a time, every wire just right. Seat heater wiring looks factory .
With you deciding to sell the 3.2 and install the LS9, I think the Chevy hood emblem is good, although I would shop for a slightly larger one.....
Hi Dave- Thanks so much; I wish I was there to chat and get in the way. It was a tough call going to the LS motor but you just can't argue with the horsepower.
I believe that is the correct orientation. But then again I have not owned a Chevy for several decades.....
not only is it correct but no matter how you flip it it's the same.
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See post 1467. Not much gets by me......
Don’t you need an exhaust stack with an LS9?
BTW, the hood crest should actually be upright on the bumper. Amaturs.
This is particularly noteworthy as I never thought something as simple as a back-pad would present the challenges experienced installing it. I went with the plastic one as I was assured, not by Jim or the Justice League members, this was the way to go and it would be an easy "upgrade" that would not present any issues. Sadly, that was not the case. The good news is I had the best guys possible on it and they knocked it out of the park. (I mistakenly said fiberglass when I meant plastic. I have corrected my post. Sorry for the confusion)
Never used the fiberglass version, but can recommend the plastic back pad board from 914Rubber. It takes and holds staples well. I can vouch that this is a difficult job though. I made a couple mistakes that luckily are not visible. I also used my original pad as a pattern to transfer the large ventilation holes over on mine.
Funny that early 914-4 back pads never bring much money.
Sorry guys. I mistakenly said fiberglass when I was talking about the back pad we went with. I meant plastic. As you were men.
Is the foil sound deadener you guys used the Noico brand? If not, what did you use?
Hi Lawrence, Sorry I do not know. Jim, Andy or Kent will know.
Was down visiting the boys on Saturday. We had fun:
I have a feeling that smile will be stuck on for quite a while!
It's OK you guys.....you can be honest. To me, it sounds like it is only running on 4 cylinders. But I have top men in their field working on it.
..I watched with no volume...
Happy looks good on you. Congratulations
OK, I can't lead you guys on. My car has no engine in it. That was a Honda 4 cylinder motorcycle revving its engine. I don't want anyone to think Ben's bitchin' SS exhaust and muffler sound like that. My engine should get installed in the next 2 weeks I believe.
A little more progress.....
What headlights are those? Definitely something I'll want to upgrade from the originals on mine.
BTW, your little 4-banger sounds awesome
Hi Brent - GE Nighthawks. I got them through Amazon for a great price. I can't wait to drive it at night.
Looking terrific. Seat heaters......very cozy.
Yes sir. I look forward to it. We were just talking about Jim's first drive and him smoking the tires....
Your 6 is coming along great and keep the pics coming.
Which heated seat kit did you end up using?
Thinking about adding heated seats to my 6 as well.
It is the 914 Rubber kit. The thing to know is if you do your seats stock with the 3 "puckers" on the front of the bottom cushion, you need to trim the seat heater for that bottom cushion. The instructions I got from 914 Rubber were great and showed exactly how to trim them so they fit correctly.
Once you live with seat heaters in the winter it is hard not to have them. Though I do not anticipate driving in the rain, I will drive in the cold.
Great work Guys!
No worries. I like them on low when it is cold out. If I could have done a heated steering wheel......
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=9712 I have to say that some pictures look better than the factory original ones.
Kent, Jim, Andy and Bob deserve all the thanks.
That engine looks FAST!
Not as fast as it once was......
A really sharp looking car....that color!
Wow! The car looks amazing! What, your about 1/2 horsepower?
Great car and great engine. everything looks so beautiful.
Gray fan shroud?
I always thought that a six has two heads...
Thank you for checking out my build thread- it's like War and Peace.