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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 27 2017, 10:40 AM

Hi Everyone bye1.gif - Thanks for checking in on my Six. If you caught my other thread, Cairo's Six, http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=188776 you may have noticed my Six has been at ScottyB's shop in VA for a while and Scotty did a lot of work. sawzall-smiley.gif welder.gif smash.gif

I am happy to report I picked up my car on the 22nd and it is now in Torrance, CA in the capable hands of Kent Simmons (914350). If you saw Andy's (Socalandy) and Jim's (banananose914) Six build threads, you are already familiar with Kent's work. pray.gif

Kent accepted the challenge of finishing all of the metal work, body work and then painting my car. Kent will be assessing the condition of the car idea.gif as received and getting to work. It is important at this point he knows what he is dealing with and everything is rock solid before the next evolution begins.

So stay tuned as my Six gathers speed. popcorn[1].gif piratenanner.gif

So, for those that don't know, I am the guy in the gray T-shirt.
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Posted by: billh1963 Jul 27 2017, 10:57 AM

Looking forward to seeing the pictures and progress on your car's next step in the restoration (and completion!) process. driving.gif

Posted by: Tom_T Jul 27 2017, 11:06 AM

Glad you're getting it sorted with Kent, & hopefully you won't have too long of a wait from now. I've seen both Jim's & Andy's sixes, & I think you'll be more than satisfied with his work & attention to detail, as well as the timeliness of his work.

Besides, at least with it here on the Left Coast, you can more easily drive down & visit your baby from time to time! biggrin.gif

Good Luck! beerchug.gif
Tom
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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 27 2017, 11:35 AM

Hey guys - Yeah, I have to admit, having my Six here in CA will be great. It is a easy 1 hour flight down to LA for visitation. I know I have to go down to pick up a bunch of stuff we will not be putting back on my car, the original Fuchs, heat exchangers, muffler, doors, engine lid, the 3.2 heat exchangers and muffler, etc. I will bring all of those home to get them out of the way. Yeah, this should be exciting. beerchug.gif

OK, it took a serious effort but Scotty, my brother and I got my Six into the back of the 26' truck.

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Posted by: mb911 Jul 27 2017, 11:59 AM

I am happy to hear its moving forward. I can't wait for updates

Posted by: jor Jul 27 2017, 04:30 PM

agree.gif I'm looking forward to seeing the progress now. I've seen SoCalAndy's car and -- wow -- that's a stunner. I'm sure yours will be equally nice. But in its original gold, right? Please?

Posted by: banananose914 Jul 27 2017, 05:30 PM

Wow. That's quite a trek to Virginia to pick up an unfinished project. Were you able to get all your stuff back? I hope things go better for you with Kent. From personal experience I believe they will. Good luck!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 27 2017, 06:13 PM

Hey Jim - Yeah, about 2,400 miles from Scotty's to Kent's. I got almost everything, missing a dip stick, some cad-plated parts and maybe a couple other things. Scotty will be shipping that stuff once I get a chance to do a full inventory and get him a list. The trip was uneventful (fortunately) and pretty much nothing happened to the car or the parts during transport. Trying to catch up after being gone for 5 days. Cheers- Michael

Here is the dolly Kent made out of some spare 2x4's and casters he had in his storage space in about 30 minutes to move my car around until it goes on the rotisserie.

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Posted by: Michael N Jul 27 2017, 06:45 PM

Great to hear!!!!! driving.gif

Posted by: porschetub Jul 27 2017, 08:46 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Jul 28 2017, 05:35 AM) *

Hey guys - Yeah, I have to admit, having my Six here in CA will be great. It is a easy 1 hour flight down to LA for visitation. I know I have to go down to pick up a bunch of stuff we will not be putting back on my car, the original Fuchs, heat exchangers, mufflers, doors, engine lid, the 3.2 heat exchangers and muffler, etc. I will bring all of those home to get them out of the way. Yeah, this should be exciting. beerchug.gif


Very pleased for you,been missing updates now we will see some...hope the split was friendly and not judging ok.
Michael remember seeing your car on Pelican years ago and really liked it,it will be better than new when finished...just can't wait to see the transformation as I'am a real fan of six conversion and original car (6) rebuilds it takes nuts to do both afterall beerchug.gif .
Good luck mate.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 27 2017, 09:31 PM

Michael N- Thanks. I am very excited to see it making progress again.

Porschetub - Yeah, there were no problems. These projects are definitely not for the weak of heart. Like anything else in life, you experience ups and downs and it teaches you to roll with the punches. I am not one to look backwards, serves no real purpose. I prefer to keep my eye on the ball and move forward. I wish Scotty nothing but the best.

OK, here it is coming out of the truck right before we lift it and set it on the new dolly. Kent had a couple friends from the neighboring shops come lend a hand and it was an easy lift for all- thank goodness.

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Posted by: Mike Bellis Jul 27 2017, 10:37 PM

Now finally you can paint it gold! piratenanner.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Jul 28 2017, 09:12 AM

Let's hope Kent can get it into paint soon so you can build and drive the car before you die.

You are doing Adriatic Blue, right?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 28 2017, 09:24 AM

That is one of my favorite colors.....
So, here is how this works- my wife let me indulge this dream of mine and the price for that, (among many other things she got) is she got to pick the color. Amazingly, we were both in accord on the color choice.

I suspect the cat will be out of the bag pretty soon as Kent does not appear to be one to let things sit around. Kent was excited by our color choice.

Kent and me pushing the car into his shop.

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Posted by: 76-914 Jul 28 2017, 11:29 AM

So your 914 does exist. It's been at Scottys since I joined here. I thought it might be an aberration. Glad to see your "back on track" and more importantly that you took the "high road". beerchug.gif

Posted by: banananose914 Jul 28 2017, 12:05 PM

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Jul 28 2017, 08:12 AM) *

Let's hope Kent can get it into paint soon so you can build and drive the car before you die.

You are doing Adriatic Blue, right?


Harsh, but true.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 28 2017, 12:51 PM

OK - Well here it is sitting in Kent's shop. I look forward to posting new photos as they arrive. I will try to load them smaller to see if I am able to add several per post to make it easier to view. blink.gif




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Posted by: peteyd Jul 28 2017, 01:12 PM

What is Kent's shops name?

Posted by: SixerJ Jul 28 2017, 01:13 PM

Great to hear it's moving forward, Kent doesn't seem to hang about beerchug.gif

Keep those pictures coming

Posted by: cal914 Jul 28 2017, 01:45 PM

You must be so pleased,ive got another month and my GT should be here in the UK

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 28 2017, 04:57 PM

peteyd - Kent's shop is called Auto Art Customs in Torrance, CA.

Posted by: peteyd Jul 28 2017, 07:23 PM

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peteyd - Kent's shop is called Auto Art Customs in Torrance, CA.


Thanks,

Pete

Posted by: banananose914 Jul 28 2017, 08:49 PM

Cool. Is Kent going to be able to build from the work already done, or does he have to go back over existing work? I hope not. That car needs to be on the road as soon as possible. Go Kent!

Posted by: burton73 Jul 28 2017, 09:36 PM

Hi Michael,

I have been following your build for a long time. As I have been working on my 6 #41 since I bought it in Jan of 2007. And I have been active on this board from 2007 till now with a couple of years where I had other things going on in my life and did not spend that much time on line.

As you know these complete restorations can take a very long time, as huge projects shall I say they ebb and flow?
My original color was cannery yellow and I battled whether to paint it my favorite metallic blue or the factory Cannery that it came down the line as. I have friends that think my six is not real in Utah at PMB Performance.

In the end I am not sure I did the right thing not going with my very favorite color.
You will go with what gives you the most joy. Yes everyone is dogging you with the color. I think the factory gold was a bit dark but rare.

I try to figure what will be the easiest to get out of when I sell it. Always have with cars.


ScottyB did a shit load of work on your body restoring it. His work looks great to this point. Very detailed. Look forward to seeing how it finishes up.

Bob B

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 28 2017, 09:41 PM

That's a great question Jim. I told Kent I fully understand, and quite frankly, expect, him to go over my whole car with a fine-toothed comb. He told me he needs to make absolutely sure all of the previous work was done correctly so we have a solid base to work from. It is my hope, and quite frankly my expectation, that all of the previous work was done correctly and to the level we all knew this car was being built to from the beginning.

The truth will come out, hopefully all good. And, just as I asked Scotty to do, I have asked Kent to photo-document all he finds and does as my car moves forward for paint. I have not and will not hide any of the ugliness, should it exist. Conversely, if this car gets a "gold" star (see what I did there?) from Kent and he can move right into finishing the metal work, body work and then paint, great. I will be a happy dude.

Hey Bob B. - Yes, Scotty did do a lot of work on my car. My position has always been to find the best guy and pay to have it done correctly the first time so you don't have to pay to have it done again. Scotty told me my car was 8-10 hours away from all metal work being completed, then minor body work for panel fitment and finally, color. (I am correcting that statement - Scotty told me 1-2 weeks away from metal work being completed - my mistake)

The last thing I want is to go through all of this to have my car finished and then two years down the road I end up with rust bubbles lifting the paint due to a failure to correctly repair, preserve and prepare my car for paint. So stay tuned, we will experience this together.

Cheers everyone beerchug.gif

Posted by: Socalandy Jul 28 2017, 10:05 PM

I got my first peek last night and we have our work cut out for us as with any resto!!! Looking forward to this one and getting you that gold star Michael first.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Jul 28 2017, 10:25 PM

Those were TWO big hints right there that the car is NOT going to be painted gold.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 29 2017, 07:01 AM

I received some photos taken by Andy when he visited my car (thank you very much). These are closer, focused images, of the work. As Andy said, this is going to be a lot more work than I had hoped for. I think I need a beer3.gif

On the bright side, my car is in California now.

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Posted by: sixaddict Jul 29 2017, 07:18 AM

Does this mean there is room for me now ? dry.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 29 2017, 07:44 AM

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Posted by: mb911 Jul 29 2017, 07:53 AM

Oh no.. That's not what I was hoping to see..

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 29 2017, 08:27 AM

Well, it is what it is. Kent will be the judge of the quality of the work.

Posted by: mepstein Jul 29 2017, 10:10 AM

Michael - I'm glad your moving forward. beerchug.gif

Posted by: burton73 Jul 29 2017, 10:48 AM

The light is showing off everything. You have to decide just how much you want to spend to primo out your car. If you want a show car body on it could cost you a lot of money. At least you are going with a light color that will hide some of the problems.

My 6 had what I think was a superb body with basically no rust and it still cost $20,000 to get to a show quality paint job from a point after new floors where welded in.

Bob B

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Posted by: cal914 Jul 29 2017, 01:50 PM

QUOTE(burton73 @ Jul 29 2017, 08:48 AM) *

The light is showing off everything. You have to decide just how much you want to spend to primo out your car. If you want a show car body on it could cost you a lot of money. At least you are going with a light color that will hide some of the problems.

My 6 had what I think was a superb body with basically no rust and it still cost $20,000 to get to a show quality paint job from a point after new floors where welded in.

Bob B

You can see how bad it is with the lights off,good luck Michael hopefully this is as bad as it gets with the car you deserve better

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 29 2017, 02:23 PM

Thanks Cal - I appreciate that. I am hoping this is the worst of it.

Posted by: banananose914 Jul 29 2017, 02:34 PM

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Does this mean there is room for me now ? dry.gif

At Scott's yes. At Kent's no. He's going to be very busy.

Posted by: banananose914 Jul 29 2017, 02:38 PM

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Cool. Is Kent going to be able to build from the work already done, or does he have to go back over existing work? I hope not. That car needs to be on the road as soon as possible. Go Kent!

Hey Mike. I just saw your car at the shop. It appears he's going to have to go back. Waaaaay back.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 29 2017, 04:55 PM

That is not good.... makes me sick to my stomach icon8.gif , actually.

Man, this is going to be lots of anxiety until Kent identifies and addresses all of the problems. I had hoped those days were in the rear view mirror after all of the work I had done.

Posted by: Edward Blume Jul 29 2017, 05:38 PM

It's inspiring to see you push forward. I'm looking forward to seeing this done!

Posted by: Larmo63 Jul 29 2017, 10:00 PM

At least we are here to talk you off of the ledge.

Posted by: scotty b Jul 30 2017, 05:16 PM

Wow...... so let me step in to address a couple things here

Michael. I NEVER told you there were only 8-10 hours of metal work left. What I told you was that you had a credit on the books and I guessed ( I don't keep my Quickbooks data in my head ) that it was 8-10 hours of work I owed you and I needed to check on that. What I recall telling you as far as the metal work is that there was a week or two left on the metal work. The repairs to your drivers door alone that need to be done are close to that 8-10 hour mark, not to mention the other work it still needs.

Per the front end mess----- You and I had a very frank phone call over a year ago about this very situation. It was to stay between you and I, but now that these pics are being posted with no explanation I need to refresh your memory and let the cat out of the bag......... As I told you in that phone call, I had an employee that I let work on your car while I was trying to deal with my personal issues. IIRC I had the front end and rear cut off, I believe I had the trunk fitted and asked him if he could finish fitting, and weld it all together. He assured me he could. Once he was done and I looked it over, I realized that I had made a major mistake having him work on it. I told you ALL of this on the phone, I told you I was going to have to re-do what he did as soon as I was back on my feet, and that is where that was left. I had been spending time ( as little as it was ) when I had a few hours trying to iron out his mess. For this I have explained and apologized to you repeatedly. I COMPLETELY understand where you were with the project and wanting it done, but I can assure you had I finished it, it would NOT have been finalized in that condition.

Per the mess on the roll bar------ THAT was on the car when I first stripped it. It was an old repair that had not been dealt with and I am fairly certain I even posted pics of that very spot in the initial thread along with some of the other messes I uncovered. This car was taken out of my shop in partial condition on very short notice so no, I didn't finish things I had started on and am quite disheartened to find out from other friends and customers this morning that I was being thrown under the bus. There was, and is a lot left to be done. I in no way indicated I was done with any single aspect of this job. There are cuts left to be welded, welds left to be finished, hammer and dollying left to be done, panels need to be fitted etc.


Posted by: JmuRiz Jul 30 2017, 07:31 PM

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I don't mean to thread jack, but glad you chimed in, now I feel like crap for not doing a build thread on my car and showing the excellent work you did on my car. I need to get off my duff and upload some info/timeline/pictures in a new thread.

Not many car shops I trust (that I've used) other than Scotty, WillsWerks, and Tim Berrardelli Racing ...aside from all the amazing suppliers here 914Rubber, Mb911, Rich Johnson, & various others I'll thank in my future thread)

Posted by: banananose914 Jul 30 2017, 09:12 PM

Helllooooo Scott! I don't harbor any hate toward you. I don't know you and you don't know me. I have seen your work though and although I don't necessarily have a dog in the race, per se, if someone says they're going to do something to a particular degree, they should do it. I know that in my line of work, that if something doesen't go right, or as I had planned, I'm expected to own up to my shortcomings. I don't have the luxury of putting the blame off to an employee or some outside ailment or force. It's your shop though. Your employees are an extension of your shop and vice versa.
I think you have to agree that five years there is a little too long. With or without an ailment, life challenge or a sub par employee(s). I understand things happen. But you have a business to run. Do it like it appears you once knew how, and move on.
I do hope things get better for you. If you ever make a wrong turn and end up in California, call me. I'll buy you a beer or ten. I mean that sincerely. We both have the same interest, that being 914's. I won't be posting any derogatory posts about you or Cairo's car any longer. I do look forward to any progress on the car. Jim.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 30 2017, 09:15 PM

Hi Scotty - This "Part 2" was not intended as a "throw you under the bus thread". I explained to you I would be closing the old thread and starting a new thread documenting the remainder of the build.

You are right about the 8-10 hours. That was what you said you still owed me to balance the time sheet. That was my mistake. I also believe you said you had a week or two of metal work left before the car was ready for final body work, blocking and primer which was to have been done by the end of May (2017), so you could then paint it in July. I accept responsibility for those omissions.

You are also right about telling me about the employee who did less that proper work on the front end. I recall you told me you had to take it all apart to correct it. I then remember seeing photos of the front of the car with no fenders on it. I guess, absent additional information from you when I picked the car up, I assumed since the finders were on you had corrected that work.

You and I did speak, as you mentioned, about the fact someone other than you worked on my car- you told me from day one you would be the only one working on my car as you knew the level of work I was expecting and to guarantee my car was done correctly you would be the only one touching my car. Then your employee worked on it. To your credit, you did own up to all of that and I appreciated that then and still do now. You did apologize many times for that as well.

I have just posted photos of the car as it sits. I let the pictures pretty much do the talking. I have, other than expressing disappointment over the appearance of the work done, really not commented, other than to say that whatever needs to be corrected will be corrected and I am moving forward.

I will continue to post pictures as the car moves along. That has been the purpose of my entire build thread. To educate others about what happens when you take an old Porsche and decide to restore it. I see to many projects get started and die on the rotisserie when people realize they have fallen into the deep end of the pool because they never realized so much work and attention to detail is necessary on these builds.

I don't have time for negativity in my life so I choose not to go there. I can not, however, moderate the comments of others.

I believe I gave you 2 weeks notice I was coming to get my Six and all of the parts- I thought that was plenty of time to get ready. I apologize if that put you in a bind.

You specifically called out Jim and Mark. All I can tell you is Jim, aside from being one of the nicest and most gracious guys I have ever met, owns 2 sixes. I have seen both of Jim's cars and his Tangerine Six is 99% finished and completely done to concours standards. His other Six, his "driver", is in better condition than most Sixes on the road today. Jim's Tangerine Six is the bench mark for all to aspire to and the standard I hope and pray my car reaches.

Jim has been to Kent's shop and seen my car in person. I believe he is commenting based upon his personal knowledge and experience after seeing Kent do the metal, body and finish work on his Six. Additionally, he has of course followed my thread from day one to see the photos of the work done. Jim has offered, with no personal motivation of which I am aware, other than to help out another Six owner, to help me finish my car in any way he can. I am absolutely blown away by his generosity, sincerity and integrity. It is people like him who make this Site and 914 ownership a pleasure.

Mark is just another terrific guy who has helped me out on my build several times. No motive other than to help a fellow 914 owner out. I do not know anything about his build other than seeing his car when I was at your shop about 2 years ago and then it leaving your shop unfinished maybe a year ago or so. Mark will comment if he feels it appropriate, but I don't have a horse in that race.

We parted as friends and I hope to remain that way.

Posted by: Blue6 Jul 30 2017, 11:27 PM

Cairo,
None of us know what your contract with Scotty was, or how much money was paid. Seeing the pics of the car, if you paid $1,000, you did all right. If you paid him $10,000, you didn't do so good.
Keeping it positive from here on out, I was at Jim's Sunday assembly party today. Watching the re-assembly, fitting and adjustment of parts was amazing. Your car is in very capable hands. These guys are experts. You will be all smiles from here on.... biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 31 2017, 06:00 AM

Thanks. That is my goal. beerchug.gif

Posted by: BENBRO02 Jul 31 2017, 09:24 AM

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Hi Everyone bye1.gif - Thanks for checking in on my Six. If you caught my other thread, Cairo's Six, http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=188776 you may have noticed my Six has been at ScottyB's shop in VA for a while and Scotty did a lot of work. sawzall-smiley.gif welder.gif smash.gif

I am happy to report I picked up my car on the 22nd and it is now in Torrance, CA in the capable hands of Kent Simmons (914350). If you saw Andy's (Socalandy) and Jim's (banananose914) Six build threads, you are already familiar with Kent's work. pray.gif

Kent accepted the challenge of finishing all of the metal work, body work and then painting my car. Kent will be assessing the condition of the car idea.gif as received and getting to work. It is important at this point he knows what he is dealing with and everything is rock solid before the next evolution begins.

So stay tuned as my Six gathers speed. popcorn[1].gif piratenanner.gif

So, for those that don't know, I am the guy in the gray T-shirt.


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I live in Virginia and see that your car was "at ScottyB's" in VA. What is the shop name and his last name? Have fun with the six!

Posted by: scotty b Jul 31 2017, 09:35 AM

Michael, I want to thank you for helping to clear things up. We parted ways on Saturday as friends and as far as I am concerned still are. My commitment to making sure the car gets done still stands if there is any way I can help. I was concerned about where the car may end up, but when you told me where it was going I had no worries. I know the car is now in very capable hands.

Brian had been a good friend of mine for years prior to my hiring him, and after all of this, a close friend became a distant acquaintance because of this issue and some others he caused. This past weekend was the first weekend I have taken off in 3 months, and to be alerted in the middle of it by several customers and friends as to what was going on in this thread put me in a bad way. This whole issue with the front end and the trunk sickened me when it happened, and this just brought all of that back up. The fact that the car left my shop in that state, and then went to another is hard to handle as my reputation and business were not built on that quality level. I would hope that anyone that goes through the original build thread we had, would look at the other work I was doing and could tell a vast difference in the quality. But I also realize most commenting here are only looking at the problem areas that we are now addressing, and are completely ignoring the other areas that were done properly and are NOT issues.

As far as the mess that needs to be cleaned up, I will say that the outer dimensions of the hood, headlights and bumper are all in spec. as is the rear trunk. The original thread has pics of the hood and bumper bolted and rough lined up so you can see there, that the gaps are all good. It's not my job anymore, but my plan was a lot of heating, hammering and dollying, and some reworking to clean things up as it is all pretty much cosmetic, and I don't see any need to remove the panel and redo it all. But that is not my decision to make at this point.

Again Michael, I am here for whatever I can do to help this move forward, and hopefully this thread will move forward in a positive manner now

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 31 2017, 01:59 PM

Great. I appreciate that Scotty.

Posted by: r_towle Aug 2 2017, 04:40 PM

Well, glad to see you making progress. I wish you the best luck on the journey and I really admire your positive attitude, it's refreshing.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 2 2017, 05:10 PM

Thanks - I appreciate that. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 5 2017, 05:28 PM

So in Jim's spare time....he wrapped my engine to prevent any issues from sitting around - nice!

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Then he took this horrible looking headlight surround-
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Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 5 2017, 05:29 PM

And turned them into this:

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Posted by: mb911 Aug 5 2017, 07:50 PM

Looks great. Did he just paint them or plastic blast them?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 6 2017, 07:10 AM

I do not know. I am sure Jim will answer that when he gets a chance.
He did these turn signal buckets too:
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Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 6 2017, 11:15 AM

Glad to see this thread is back on track. Get-r-done!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 6 2017, 08:00 PM

I will do all I can to get my Six done as quickly as possible. I want to drive it while I am still able. I know Kent is committed to getting my Six squared away like it deserves and shot in a color I can't wait to see.

But tonight it is all about Jim's car firing up and driving for the first time in over 2 decades. I am so happy for him. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Aug 7 2017, 04:25 PM

Picked out a couple of doors I had upstairs and fit them to the car. I'll chemical strip the face/skin on these then send them out for media blasting of the inside and the shell this week along with some other parts.

Posting pics from my phone for the first time, SirAndy has made this easy. I'll be able to post more often. Thanks.


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Posted by: siverson Aug 7 2017, 04:49 PM

Glad to see this moving forward again!

-Steve

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 7 2017, 09:41 PM

Terrific Kent. Glad to hear about posting pics from your phone too. I will have to give that a try. Thanks for posting the door pic.

Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 7 2017, 10:17 PM

Jim does amazing small stuff. That seems to be his forte.

I think he worked in one of Santa's workshops in a previous life.....

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 8 2017, 07:29 AM

I am thankful for anything he can do for my Six. I appreciate all of it.

Posted by: Blue6 Aug 8 2017, 09:18 AM

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Jim does amazing small stuff. That seems to be his forte.

I think he worked in one of Santa's workshops in a previous life.....


Wow Lawrence,
What are you trying to say about Jim being used to handling small things... blink.gif

Posted by: 914350 Aug 8 2017, 02:20 PM

Progress pics.


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More pics.


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Posted by: cal914 Aug 8 2017, 02:40 PM

Looks like you've got the right Guy on the car now, and after what youve been through you deserve it

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 8 2017, 05:44 PM

Thanks cal914. I am very appreciative Jim, Andy, Kent and I spoke. I believe my car is going to come together pretty rapidly now. And as I explained in earlier posts, I will hide nothing.

Those two doors look great. I had my original doors replaced with late model doors but upon inspection it was determined correcting existing issues would be more costly than replacing them with nice doors. Now we have two great doors going on my Six. beerchug.gif

Posted by: mb911 Aug 8 2017, 07:27 PM

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Thanks cal914. I am very appreciative Jim, Andy, Kent and I spoke. I believe my car is going to come together pretty rapidly now. And as I explained in earlier posts, I will hide nothing.

Those two doors look great. I had my original doors replaced with late model doors but upon inspection it was determined correcting existing issues would be more costly than replacing them with nice doors. Now we have two great doors going on my Six. beerchug.gif



What's the target for completion? It looks like its moving quickly now. Much faster then mine.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 8 2017, 09:14 PM

Ben - I really don't know. I just know that it will go as fast as Kent, Andy, Jim and maybe a couple others can go. I will not be impeding the build in any way.

When it comes to major parts still needed, I am not aware of any really. I know I need a new windshield (tinted), suspension blasted and powder coated, upholstery done (we already have the leather), carpets, bumpers finish metal and body work and then chromed, almost all weather strips and seals, starter, fuel pump, battery, new F&R bumper pads, license plate lights, CV joints and axles, a clear lens high-mount LED 3rd brake light custom fabbed into the top of the "Targa" bar in the SS trim, and a few other items. I did have new large tube SS heat exchangers and muffler on the list, but now that is handled smile.gif . I am really excited about that.

So hopefully this will go smoothly and we will see it come together nicely.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 8 2017, 09:19 PM

Jim sent me these pics tonight. This is an example of the attention to detail, terrific work he does. That headlight assembly bucket is perfect. The windshield washer bottle looks killer too. At the rate Jim is going he is going to have all my parts sorted and restored before I even return to Torrance CA at the end of the month.


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Posted by: cal914 Aug 9 2017, 04:51 AM

How did he get that bottle looking so good

Posted by: simonjb Aug 9 2017, 08:16 AM

I'd like to know how he got the bottle so white also. Bleach? Ajax? Peroxide gel?

Posted by: 914350 Aug 10 2017, 12:36 PM

Dropped of parts for media blasting


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OK, so Jim has been a busy dude lately working on my windshield wiper assembly. It looks terrific of course. beerchug.gif

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 12 2017, 04:39 PM

Uhhhh, I may have forgotten to tell Jim I have a GT Hockey Puck for my steering wheel. I hope he did not spend a lot of time on this. Of course I am keeping it as I may change back and forth between the butterfly and the hockey puck. biggrin.gif

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Posted by: r_towle Aug 12 2017, 05:05 PM

Seriously, how long is the waiting list?
Metalwork and paint, tub only.

Posted by: porschetub Aug 12 2017, 05:26 PM

Wow happening real fast.....run away train biggrin.gif .
The attention to detail amazing,as mentioned that washer bottle ...holy .

Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 12 2017, 07:49 PM

It's fun to see these /6 projects coming out of Kent's shop. I imagine his personal six is next in line??

I can't wait to see another beautiful Adriatic Blue 914-6 in the mix.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 12 2017, 08:02 PM

Jim- you need to slow down and pace yourself. I want to be able to help.

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Jim has been at it again:




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Posted by: mb911 Aug 13 2017, 06:51 PM

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Jim has been at it again:

Vapor blasting or how is he accomplishing these finishes??

Michael at this point you maybe waiting on me with the muffler..

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 13 2017, 07:03 PM

Ben - I know - Jim is killing it for sure. I can't wait to go down to LA at the end of the month and check things out.

I am looking forward to seeing your heat exchangers and muffler when they are done. I think once the chassis is finished and in color this Six is going to come together nicely. My goal is to have everything waiting for assembly so there are no delays in assembly due to missing parts.

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Seriously, how long is the waiting list?
Metalwork and paint, tub only.


PM sent.


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Ben - I know - Jim is killing it for sure. I can't wait to go down to LA at the end of the month and check things out.

I am looking forward to seeing your heat exchangers and muffler when they are done. I think once the chassis is finished and in color this Six is going to come together nicely. My goal is to have everything waiting for assemble so there are no delays in assembly due to missing parts.


I was at Jim's yesterday helping with the assembly on his Six and got to see many of the parts that he is restoring for your Six...beautiful work.

Posted by: 914350 Aug 14 2017, 08:39 AM

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 12 2017, 06:49 PM) *

It's fun to see these /6 projects coming out of Kent's shop. I imagine his personal six is next in line??

I can't wait to see another beautiful Adriatic Blue 914-6 in the mix.


Hi Larmo,

My Six will have to wait, to busy for now. I did however pull the engine out a while back and I'm working on it when I can. I'm collecting up parts for now. I picked up a set of NOS Quarter Panels, that was a nice find.


Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 14 2017, 03:21 PM

Kent- NOS quarter panels is definitely a great find. I was looking for a passenger side quarter with no luck about 2 years ago. The Gods are smiling on you with that find.


Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 15 2017, 08:59 AM

OK - I had to buy a windshield - sorry it is tinted, not clear. Oh, and I borrowed this picture from 914 7T3 since I could not find another. Hope that was OK.


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Posted by: 914350 Aug 23 2017, 06:04 PM

Got the Six on the Jig today. I'll see you on Sat. And we'll go over the car. I just got the 911 done and back to Tony Callas today so I'm ready to dig into your Six now. I should have the parts back from media blasting by friday.

All the suspension points etc. lined up great on the Jig as expected, the car hasn't been in any major accents.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 23 2017, 06:40 PM

Kent - Thanks for posting the pics of my car on the rotisserie and the frame jig. I am so glad to hear all of the suspension points are spot-on. I look forward to seeing you on Saturday and discussing my car. Food should be a part of that discussion - chowtime.gif

Posted by: Blue6 Aug 23 2017, 11:50 PM

If Kent suggests In and Out for lunch, just a heads up, don't ride in the back seat of the van. chowtime.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 24 2017, 06:54 AM

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Posted by: rangrbob Aug 24 2017, 02:37 PM

Michael,

Hope you car comes along quickly now. You have waited long enough! Your valance is on its way to Kent. I'm glad I could help out in a small way with the restoration of your car.

Just in case you haven't been teased enough about the color, I've included a pic of my car for inspiration. rolleyes.gif

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 24 2017, 02:42 PM

Hey Karl- Thanks so much for selling me that valance. It will go perfectly with Ben's new SS heat exchangers and muffler. Your car looks terrific. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 27 2017, 10:29 PM

So I just got home about 1 hour ago from spending the weekend down in Southern California seeing Jim, Kent, Andy and my Six. My brother went with with and we had a great time. These 3 guys are just cut from the same cloth- they are a pleasure to be around and talk with.

I was able to see my car on a rotisserie in good lighting and go over the whole car and discuss all aspects of the chassis with Kent and Jim. Kent will be putting in some time on this car to get it where I need it to be.

I also was able to go through a lot of my parts, not all of them, and identify some things that appear to be MIA at the moment. I will be emailing Scott and asking him to keep an eye out for them so he can ship them to me. I also somehow ended up with a refinished 911 oil tank instead of my refinished Six oil tank - pretty sure we just mixed up a box. I will ship that 911 tank back to Scott so he can ship me my correct tank with some other parts.

The next time I go down to SoCal I will continue going through the parts and hopefully be done with that at that time. That should allow me to send Scott a final list of items we are looking for.

I also got a chance to hear Jim's Six run - wow it sounds (and smells) sweet.

Then the cherry on the top was seeing Andy's Six - first.gif I can honestly tell you the pictures do not do it justice. OMG! It is just beautiful. Then he had to start it......let's just say that is one healthy motor.

At my age, plaque is always a concern in one's arteries....I am sure Andy knew that so he offered me a ride in his car. An offer no-one in their right mind would ever refuse. I am pretty sure that my doctor would be impressed with my circulatory system now. I should be good for another 10-20 years. That is one strong running, sweet riding, Six. It was a nice ride, not just down the street and back. I hope my car is not that fast or I will hurt myself. Thank you Andy for a ride I will be talking about for the next decade.

Unfortunately my brother and I had to hit the road right before noon so we missed what I am sure would have been a terrific lunch. But we knew we had a 6-7 hour ride back up north. Then I had to go grab my car from the airport since we flew down, rented a van and then drove back with assorted parts.

I will post a couple of pictures when I get a chance. Probably later this week.

Again, thanks to Jim, Kent and Andy for a great time. beerchug.gif

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 28 2017, 04:17 PM

Photo of my Six being spit roasted:
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Posted by: 914350 Aug 28 2017, 09:33 PM

Parts back from blasting.


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Posted by: 914350 Aug 30 2017, 09:45 AM

Received the rear valence today from rangrbob. Excellent piece in great condition. biggrin.gif


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 30 2017, 11:09 AM

That is a very nice looking original Six valance. Definitely going on my car. Thanks Karl (rangrbob). Great picture- thanks for posting that Kent.

Posted by: 914350 Aug 31 2017, 03:03 PM

More pics. Tuning up the underside.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 31 2017, 05:13 PM

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Posted by: mb911 Aug 31 2017, 05:18 PM

Looking good. I am working on similar items on my car right now and most people have no idea how long it takes to correct these little things..


Posted by: burton73 Aug 31 2017, 07:43 PM

Those little things go on and on and when done correctly you will have a car that is finished in some ways better than new.
A true work of ART

Bob B
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Posted by: 914350 Sep 6 2017, 02:02 PM

Created the drain channels in the panel then made the flange that comes down over them...also located and welded in the nut for the rocker cover.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Sep 6 2017, 04:46 PM

Now it's starting to look like a nice straight pan. smilie_pokal.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Sep 6 2017, 04:55 PM

Kent must be a reincarnated 914 factory body worker. He seems to know these cars pretty intimately.

Looks great!!

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Sep 6 2017, 07:46 PM

Thanks Larmo63 for checking on my build progress. I can't emphasize enough how happy I am with my Six being in the hands of Kent, Andy and Jim. I feel very fortunate.

Posted by: stevegm Sep 7 2017, 06:16 AM

It looks like it’s coming along very nicely.

Posted by: nine11speedster Sep 8 2017, 12:21 AM

its always pleasing to see great progress! Looking good Michael!

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Posted by: 914350 Sep 19 2017, 02:46 PM

Been cleaning and straightening up the bottom of the car. Lots of little things. Should get a few parts I need from Restoration Design this week. Getting close to sealing the underside.


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Posted by: mb911 Sep 19 2017, 04:30 PM

Michael car is looking awesome. Any way you could measure the bottom of the floor pan to the top of the engine mount for me? I know I am jumping in on this thread but I would love to get a real six measurements..

Keep up the great work..

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Michael car is looking awesome. Any way you could measure the bottom of the floor pan to the top of the engine mount for me? I know I am jumping in on this thread but I would love to get a real six measurements..

Keep up the great work..


Hard to see but it measures 8.5". The second measurement is aprox. 2.25" and is from the top of the engine mount to the engine tray where the seal seats. Hope this is what you were looking for. Do the conversion for metric if needed.


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Posted by: mb911 Sep 19 2017, 06:41 PM

Perfect.. Thanks.

Posted by: 914350 Oct 4 2017, 12:47 PM

Still chipping away at the stone. Eyes are finaly starting to recover from LASIK...it's been miserable. A couple of drops in each eye and the next day your back to work is extremely misleading.


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Posted by: mb911 Oct 4 2017, 01:48 PM

Looking great and thanks for the help on the measurements. I installed my mount 2 days ago..

Keep up the great work..

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 4 2017, 04:46 PM

Yeah Kent, getting older is not for the faint of heart.... BTW, excellent work- love seeing progress pictures. I know you have done more, but are shy about posting pictures. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Oct 7 2017, 04:13 PM

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Posted by: mb911 Oct 8 2017, 05:53 AM

I wish my Frankenstein car would have been this clean to start with.. Looks great.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 8 2017, 06:26 AM

HI Ben- You did see my thread (Part 1) from the beginning, right? biggrin.gif

Posted by: mb911 Oct 8 2017, 06:52 AM

Oops just looked it up yes I recall it now.. I guess yours was rough to start with..

Posted by: raynekat Oct 8 2017, 01:53 PM

Lot of metalwork going on with some of our cars...
Nice to be getting these back in tip top shape.
Well done.

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Posted by: gcrotvik Oct 9 2017, 01:30 PM

QUOTE(914350 @ Sep 19 2017, 05:04 PM) *

QUOTE(mb911 @ Sep 19 2017, 03:30 PM) *

Michael car is looking awesome. Any way you could measure the bottom of the floor pan to the top of the engine mount for me? I know I am jumping in on this thread but I would love to get a real six measurements..

Keep up the great work..


Hard to see but it measures 8.5". The second measurement is aprox. 2.25" and is from the top of the engine mount to the engine tray where the seal seats. Hope this is what you were looking for. Do the conversion for metric if needed.


Could you provide one more measurement? I have an aftermarket mount that I purchased from Mittlemotor GmbH and I'd like to confirm the distance from the firewall to the center of the rubber mount hole. See the picture below. And, THANK YOU!

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QUOTE(914350 @ Sep 19 2017, 05:04 PM) *

QUOTE(mb911 @ Sep 19 2017, 03:30 PM) *

Michael car is looking awesome. Any way you could measure the bottom of the floor pan to the top of the engine mount for me? I know I am jumping in on this thread but I would love to get a real six measurements..

Keep up the great work..


Hard to see but it measures 8.5". The second measurement is aprox. 2.25" and is from the top of the engine mount to the engine tray where the seal seats. Hope this is what you were looking for. Do the conversion for metric if needed.


Could you provide one more measurement? I have an aftermarket mount that I purchased from Mittlemotor GmbH and I'd like to confirm the distance from the firewall to the center of the rubber mount hole. See the picture below. And, THANK YOU!

Greg

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Posted by: 914350 Oct 9 2017, 05:16 PM

Pic of damage to new trunk floor section that was damaged during transport...fixed.


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Posted by: porschetub Oct 9 2017, 05:31 PM

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Oops just looked it up yes I recall it now.. I guess yours was rough to start with..


Funny went the same way over a coffee or 2 this morning it was a rough car....look @ it now w00t.gif w00t.gif .

Posted by: wndsnd Oct 10 2017, 03:52 PM

It is amazing the progress on this car.

Progress, and what looks to be very high quality of work.

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Love checking in on this...

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 10 2017, 05:02 PM

I am heading to Torrance this weekend to see Kent, Jim, Andy and my Six. I am excited to see the progress Kent is making. Additionally, I know Jim has been busy working on components so when it comes time for assembly, we just unwrap them and install them. I am overjoyed with the progress being made as well as the quality of the work. I eagerly look forward to Kent being able to just get to the body work and paint.

I am so ready for the metal work to be over. Seems like I have been waiting for that for 5 years...oh wait, I have! Of course that was not with Kent - Kent has jumped on my car and been busy getting things right. Thank you Kent. pray.gif

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QUOTE(gcrotvik @ Oct 9 2017, 12:30 PM) *

QUOTE(914350 @ Sep 19 2017, 05:04 PM) *

QUOTE(mb911 @ Sep 19 2017, 03:30 PM) *

Michael car is looking awesome. Any way you could measure the bottom of the floor pan to the top of the engine mount for me? I know I am jumping in on this thread but I would love to get a real six measurements..

Keep up the great work..


Hard to see but it measures 8.5". The second measurement is aprox. 2.25" and is from the top of the engine mount to the engine tray where the seal seats. Hope this is what you were looking for. Do the conversion for metric if needed.


Could you provide one more measurement? I have an aftermarket mount that I purchased from Mittlemotor GmbH and I'd like to confirm the distance from the firewall to the center of the rubber mount hole. See the picture below. And, THANK YOU!

Greg

Here you go.


Thank you!

Posted by: mepstein Oct 10 2017, 06:16 PM

Michael - I can guarantee you will like the 3.2 in that car.
Just one suggestion. Try to fit the wheels and tires on the car before paint.
My clearances are tight and I’m using 6” wheels with 205x60x15 tires and it’s close.

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Posted by: raynekat Oct 11 2017, 04:17 PM

Looks nice and straight and clean and free of rust, etc.
Definitely progressing along nicely.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 11 2017, 04:18 PM

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smilie_pokal.gif Wow! I can't wait to see that in person. I have waited a long time to see the bottom of this car looking that nice. beerchug.gif Nice work Kent.


Apparently so has Kent. Now that he's had his eyes fixed he can see what he's working on. We thought Jims car turned great. Can't imagine yours now that Kent can see... biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 12 2017, 05:44 AM

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Posted by: Larmo63 Oct 12 2017, 07:54 AM

Are you coming down this weekend? I'd like to see the car at Kent's and have a 914 bull session.

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Are you coming down this weekend? I'd like to see the car at Kent's and have a 914 bull session.


Me too! (maybe if I can get some time away) Where and when if the "public" is invited?!?! smile.gif

-Steve

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Are you coming down this weekend? I'd like to see the car at Kent's and have a 914 bull session.


Me too! (maybe if I can get some time away) Where and when if the "public" is invited?!?! smile.gif

-Steve

Unfortunately I need to leave right after I meet with Mike, some time in the future thoughl would be fine. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 12 2017, 10:10 PM

Sorry guys. I would love to meet you both. Let's do it another time. I have to respect Kent's time. I plan on going down monthly so we will have a chance to meet in the future. Plus that will give Kent more time to get the chassis whipped into shape.

Maybe we could make it either before or after Thanksgiving? It would be a Saturday, not the Thanksgiving weekend, that's for sure. Don't want to add to the holiday traffic madness. I won't be able to nail down the date until I am in November due to my constantly changing schedule. But I think it would be fun to meet, have lunch and "cut it up" as "they" say. beerchug.gif

Also, if you have not seen Kent's work in person, I think it will blow you away. Pictures are good, but not as good as actually looking at the work in person. Andy and Jim's cars are just awe inspiring.

Posted by: Larmo63 Oct 12 2017, 10:42 PM

No worries. I just want to meet up some time if we can work it out.

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I would enjoy that. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 14 2017, 01:46 AM

Have had the week from Hell with crazy work and hours. Got home at 10:00 last night and went to bed and then got up at midnight so I can be on the road by 0200 to p/up my brother so we can drive down to see Kent, Jim and Andy. Been looking forward to that all week. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 16 2017, 07:28 AM

Back from southern CA - Had a great visit with Kent, Jim, Andy and my Six. beerchug.gif The bottom of the car is looking really nice smash.gif welder.gif .

However, in talking about the front of the car, it was decided that the front panel on the car needs to be replaced to make the front end correct. sad.gif As you can imagine, this was disappointing to me since it was already replaced a few years ago. wacko.gif But, in the end, it will be cheaper and easier to get the front end panels correct this way. I have posted a WTB and am once again chasing down an early nose panel. type.gif

My brother and I were able to spend some time with Jim going through my parts and I was able to complete my inventory of the parts I have and what I did not get when I picked my car up. I will get my list, it is short, to Scotty. He has been waiting for the complete list so he can gather and ship my stuff in one batch. I look forward to seeing those parts soon.

Also, spent more time looking at Jim's Six... w00t.gif It is just amazing how nice his car is. It is like being transported back to 1970 and seeing one in the showroom of the dealership - only nicer. The depth of knowledge regarding these cars, between Jim, Kent and Andy, is just amazing. They really need to get a life beer.gif . Seriously, they know these cars. I am so glad my car is in their hands.

I will go back down to southern CA in December to check on my car again. I hope I am able to quickly find a nose panel and get it to Kent so that surgery is over before I have a chance to really think about it. popcorn[1].gif

Posted by: mb911 Oct 16 2017, 07:32 AM

That is disappointing.. Sorry to hear that..

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However, in talking about the front of the car, it was decided that the front panel on the car needs to be replaced to make the front end correct. sad.gif As you can imagine, this was disappointing to me since it was already replaced a few years ago. wacko.gif But, in the end, it will be cheaper and easier to get the front end panels correct this way. I have posted a WTB and am once again chasing down an early nose panel. type.gif



Might want to look at the auction MDShantz is having....might be a front clip in there

Or this one: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=317488

Posted by: 914350 Oct 16 2017, 02:48 PM

Working on the doors fixing some lite damage here and there.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 16 2017, 04:24 PM

Now that's what I'm talkin' about. That is how a car is supposed to be prepared when it is a full media blasted restoration. Great work Kent. Have some cheesy-bread on me. beerchug.gif Now I can't wait for December. smilie_pokal.gif

Posted by: siverson Oct 16 2017, 05:24 PM

Looks good!

> chasing down an early nose panel

What part are you looking for exactly?

-Steve

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 16 2017, 07:43 PM

Hi Steve - I believe I have sourced an early nose, the whole front panel behind the bumper. Should something happen I will reach out.

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Now that's what I'm talkin' about. That is how a car is supposed to be prepared when it is a full media blasted restoration. Great work Kent. Have some cheesy-bread on me. beerchug.gif Now I can't wait for December. smilie_pokal.gif


Mmmmm...that was good, don't forget the cheese infused butter.

Mike treated jim and I to an excellent sreak dinner last Sat. Delicious, Thanks Mike.

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Posted by: 914350 Oct 17 2017, 12:56 PM

At first glance I thought a PO had drilled right through the nut plate for the mirror mount. Lookin closer, I saw that they had drilled two holes just off to the side of the nut plate. I welded up the holes then located and drilled holes to reveal the threads in the nut plate.


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Posted by: 914350 Oct 17 2017, 01:10 PM

I showed how I locate and drill the holes for the mirror in Jims thread but I figured I show it in Mikes thread also.

I sprayed some black paint on the area.

Lathed a point on a bolt.

Screwed it in to the nut plate from inside of the door till it made a point in the metal.

Slightly sanded the area to reveal the mark then removed the bolt.

Used a punch to mark a guide for the drill.

Drilled a small hole.

Screwed a bolt in from the back to use as a stop so the threads don't get damaged.

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Posted by: 914350 Oct 17 2017, 01:14 PM

In the second pic you can see the bolt in the left hole that is used as a stop for the drill so that the threads don't get damaged.


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Posted by: 914350 Oct 17 2017, 01:15 PM

Holes for Passenger mirror.


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Posted by: 914350 Oct 17 2017, 03:06 PM

More pics.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 17 2017, 04:52 PM

Hi Kent - Thanks for the hard work and photos showing it all. I believe you will have a nice nose panel pretty soon.

I have said it before but it never hurts to hear it again. When doing a full restoration or resto-mod (since my car is getting an '87 3.2 and a couple other minor changes) on these cars, or any other type of work, documentation is what wins the day and maintains value.

If one were to ever sell a car claiming it was a bare metal restoration, and they did not have the photos, sorry- you lose. I have seen to many threads claiming bare metal restorations and then you see the pics and the cars were only partially stripped.

The same goes for rebuilt engines, pictures and receipts are needed or it is a core engine or running engine with no history and valued accordingly.

When our cars were inexpensive, who really cared? But now that any clean 914 is bringing $25K or more and Sixes are hitting the $100K mark, people expect to see the paperwork. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Oct 17 2017, 07:01 PM

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Posted by: cary Oct 17 2017, 10:35 PM

Michael and Kent the car/project is looking awesome................
The craftsmanship is stunning.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 18 2017, 06:30 AM

Thanks Cary - But the credit goes to Kent. He alone is taking care of this chassis to make it like new. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914forme Oct 18 2017, 06:47 AM

QUOTE(cary @ Oct 18 2017, 12:35 AM) *

Michael and Kent the car/project is looking awesome................
The craftsmanship is stunning.

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Thank you for the tip on the mirror location, missed the other thread, now thinking I want to go back and read that one also.


Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 18 2017, 07:33 AM

OK - Looks like I got very lucky here and this is the NOS nose going on my Six.....

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Posted by: cary Oct 18 2017, 08:33 AM

Score ...............

Posted by: timothy_nd28 Oct 18 2017, 09:18 AM

Can I buy the old one from you? Mine is missing the curve, probably from a accident, which is causing the hood not to close.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 18 2017, 09:26 AM

Timothy_nd28 - If it comes off in one piece, you can have it for the shipping. However, I believe it will not come off well or in one piece. sawzall-smiley.gif

One of the reasons we are replacing the nose on the car is it is creating issues with the whole front end and panel alignment. Evaluating it, we decided it would be easier to replace it rather than trying to remove and re-install it. Stay tuned for pictures of that in the near future once Kent has the new panel in his hands. To be honest, I am really excited to see this front end get buttoned down and finished.

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Posted by: peteyd Oct 18 2017, 02:58 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Oct 18 2017, 07:26 AM) *

Timothy_nd28 - If it comes off in one piece, you can have it for the shipping. However, I believe it will not come off well or in one piece. sawzall-smiley.gif

One of the reasons we are replacing the nose on the car is it is creating issues with the whole front end and panel alignment. Evaluating it, we decided it would be easier to replace it rather than trying to remove and re-install it. Stay tuned for pictures of that in the near future once Kent has the new panel in his hands. To be honest, I am really excited to see this front end get buttoned down and finished.


Correct me if Im wrong, but the /6 front panel has different depressions in some areas. I dont know how nitpicky you are getting, but here is the correct depressions on a /6 front latch.

Pete

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 18 2017, 04:27 PM

Really? I would be a bit surprised if there was a special nose panel for the Sixes. No reason for there to be really. I am sure the one I bought is just a new NOS panel for an early car. I hope someone can confirm this special detail.

Posted by: mepstein Oct 18 2017, 04:42 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Oct 18 2017, 06:27 PM) *

Really? I would be a bit surprised if there was a special nose panel for the Sixes. No reason for there to be really. I am sure the one I bought is just a new NOS panel for an early car. I hope someone can confirm this special detail.

I had never heard of a difference either but I do t have a real 6 to check

Posted by: 914forme Oct 18 2017, 04:56 PM

SocalAndy's car hard to see.




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Posted by: sixnotfour Oct 18 2017, 05:20 PM

That's a bumper tit front panel ,,,close but not it....73/74,,,

Posted by: sixnotfour Oct 18 2017, 05:26 PM

No special panel for -6,,, 70-72 is what you need

Posted by: altitude411 Oct 18 2017, 05:36 PM

4 types in total...
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=198600&hl=

Posted by: peteyd Oct 18 2017, 05:52 PM

OK, correction. There is not a /6 specific front latch panel, but one for the 70-72 chassis.

Pete

Posted by: gms Oct 18 2017, 06:46 PM

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=198600

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 18 2017, 08:39 PM

It breaks my heart, but this is a 73-74 nose panel and it will not work for my car. icon8.gif

So I am back on the hunt for a NOS early, 70-72 nose panel. I am hoping someone has one up in their attic, shop storage, garage, you name it, that does need it. Please send me a PM if you have what I badly need.

If we can't find a NOS panel, then I will start to look for a very clean used panel. But with the level of damage we are trying to correct on the front of my car, an NOS panel would be a God send. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Oct 18 2017, 09:41 PM

Q.P. was replaced and lip was rolled by a P.O.


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Posted by: 914350 Oct 18 2017, 09:43 PM

Straightened it and cut it as a 71 should be.


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Posted by: 914350 Oct 18 2017, 09:44 PM

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Posted by: Socalandy Oct 18 2017, 10:04 PM

here's mine arriving at Kent's shop in Nov. 2011 after media blasting


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 19 2017, 06:15 AM

Thanks for posting that picture Andy. Keeps me motivated and gives me hope. Someone has to have a spare panel sitting around. beer3.gif

Posted by: mepstein Oct 19 2017, 06:35 AM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Oct 19 2017, 08:15 AM) *

Thanks for posting that picture Andy. Keeps me motivated and gives me hope. Someone has to have a spare panel sitting around. beer3.gif

If they do, we need Pete to scan it before it goes on a car.

Posted by: peteyd Oct 19 2017, 12:28 PM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 19 2017, 04:35 AM) *

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Oct 19 2017, 08:15 AM) *

Thanks for posting that picture Andy. Keeps me motivated and gives me hope. Someone has to have a spare panel sitting around. beer3.gif

If they do, we need Pete to scan it before it goes on a car.


I have scans of both versions. the third version is just a different cutout.

The pictures I posted are from my NOS front clip. Sorry, not for sale.

Pete

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 20 2017, 09:51 AM

Thanks Pete. RD does not have a replacement panel yet. I am just hoping someone has one stashed in their parts they will not be using and offers it up for a worthy car.

I really want an NOS nose panel as my front end has issues from previous work. But if that does not happen, I will consider a very clean used panel so long as it is removed correctly and not damaged in the process. But it has to be really clean so it can be blasted and installed.

Cheers - beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Oct 21 2017, 09:06 PM

More progress pics.


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Posted by: 914350 Oct 21 2017, 09:07 PM

More pics.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 21 2017, 09:30 PM

Oh wow! Those doors look perfect. Very nice work. Thanks for posting the pics. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Oct 29 2017, 03:40 PM

Got the car back on the fixture today.


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Posted by: 914350 Oct 29 2017, 03:53 PM

When setting the car on the fixture previously, I could see that all the measurements were in spec although the back of the car was tucked down from a previous hit/accident slightly. I could see this in the suspension console alignment to the fixture. Although being off by 2mm is within spec, I brought the back up to get it to zero.


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Posted by: 914350 Oct 29 2017, 03:57 PM

Doors.


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Posted by: ConeDodger Oct 29 2017, 06:06 PM

Ok, I'm caught up. Michael, I need to come down and see this thing. It's going to be sweeet!!! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 29 2017, 06:10 PM

Just amazing work. It is so calming to me to see the quality of work being done and that my Six is moving right along. Being back on the fixture means we are going to see some reconstructive surgery....... sawzall-smiley.gif welder.gif smash.gif can't wait. Thanks Kent. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Oct 30 2017, 10:57 AM

Drivers side quarter panel is rotted out from the backside. This full Q.P. was replaced at some point.


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Posted by: 914350 Oct 30 2017, 11:05 AM

A section of the passenger side Q.P. was replaced at some point and was not put on straight and measures out 4mm to long.


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Posted by: mepstein Oct 30 2017, 11:37 AM

Wow, that sucks!

Posted by: mb911 Oct 30 2017, 11:53 AM

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Drivers side quarter panel is rotted out from the backside. This full Q.P. was replaced at some point.



Going to plug weld and grind/sand to finish?

Posted by: 914350 Oct 30 2017, 12:02 PM

QUOTE(mb911 @ Oct 30 2017, 10:53 AM) *

QUOTE(914350 @ Oct 30 2017, 08:57 AM) *

Drivers side quarter panel is rotted out from the backside. This full Q.P. was replaced at some point.



Going to plug weld and grind/sand to finish?


I want to make sure I get it all so I'll cut it open, clean inside then rebuild the corner. I'm thinking it will be a very small repair area.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 30 2017, 05:30 PM

That is just the way it goes I guess. I do know that the passenger side rear quarter, from mid-fenderwell back, was completely replaced - there are pictures in Part 1 of my build thread showing it being done.

Sad and sorry that has to be redone too. Regardless, Kent is doing this correctly and I know, and so do all of you by now, that is the only way Kent would do it and the only way I want it done.

I will just go without food this month and maybe heat too..... confused24.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 31 2017, 05:16 PM

sad.gif So it looks like more bad news coming my way regarding the previous work. The passenger front fender has to come off because it was welded on over a bent wheel well that is high and the hood strikes that when being closed. The passenger side fender is also out of alignment a little, but the driver's side is off a bunch. These were both replaced in VA.

Also, as if that was not enough, the passenger's quarter panel is off, welded on the wrong way, and the taillight housing will not even fit in the opening. This was done in VA. The driver's side fits OK but needs some work too.

Looks like Kent is going to have to remove a lot of sheetmetal and then redo a lot of work I already paid to have fixed once. That really hurts.

I am not bad-mouthing Scott. His work is history as it relates to my Six (see Part 1 of my build thread) and I am not going backwards. However, I can't post pictures showing the work Kent is having to correct to make my car straight, true and right and take the chance someone might associate that previously done work with Kent's shop or the work Kent is now doing to correct all of this stuff. So I am trying to be clear about what was done in the past and what Kent is now doing.

I am going to post some pictures at some point - but I am technically challenged in reducing the picture size to add a bunch into one post. I wish we had an auto-resizer for pictures like Pelican. Maybe we could all donate to that software program for Sir Andy so we could make life easier for us old folks????

Posted by: raynekat Oct 31 2017, 06:04 PM

This is the site I use for resizing my pics.
It takes some time for sure, but can usually add a couple pics at least in one post.
http://www.picresize.com

Oh and bummer with your previous body work.
I'd really want to "throttle" somebody if they did that to my car. sad.gif


Posted by: 914350 Oct 31 2017, 07:06 PM

In process of removing the front panel. Since it was previously replaced, it tears up the flanges that it is welded to due to them being plug welds. It's the right way to weld it on but just harder to remove. All these flanges will be rebuilt.


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Posted by: tygaboy Oct 31 2017, 07:15 PM

Michael -
So sorry to hear about your facing "do-over" work. I feel your pain. The key motivator for me to teach myself to fab was a horrid and quite expensive experience I had with a shop that totally f-ed up one of my project cars. I renamed that shop "Dream Killer Garage".

And it's interesting how the previous work done on your /6 was well documented and seemed to look quite nice in the pics. Many positive comments from others, etc.

And yet...

So hang in there. Your car is going to be another benchmark /6. Once it's complete, the joy you'll get simply looking at, let alone driving it, will surely make it all worth while.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 31 2017, 09:24 PM

Tygaboy - Thanks for the thoughts. Yeah, pictures don't always tell the real story, that's for sure.

Oh well, Kent is absolutely kicking butt and it will be prefect now.

Cheers,
Michael

Posted by: cary Oct 31 2017, 10:06 PM

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I am going to post some pictures at some point - but I am technically challenged in reducing the picture size to add a bunch into one post. I wish we had an auto-resizer for pictures like Pelican. Maybe we could all donate to that software program for Sir Andy so we could make life easier for us old folks????

Apple or Windows ?

I'm no nerd. I use Windows.
Save jpg. to desktop. Right click. Edit, which brings up the jpg. in paint. Resize 25%. Save.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 1 2017, 06:45 AM

I am an Apple.

Posted by: mepstein Nov 1 2017, 06:47 AM

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I am an Apple.

I email them to myself and choose the size when they are sent. There’s probably a better way that I just don’t know.

Posted by: cary Nov 1 2017, 06:52 AM

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I am an Apple.


Over my pay grade. But I've got people (like the entire rest of the family) that use Apple. I'll ask the brain trust.
Just Super In Law and I are on Windows. I bought Super In Law a Samsung tablet a few years ago to replace the newspaper. He calls it his newspaper. LOL.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 1 2017, 06:56 AM

Thanks Cary. I am always willing to listen and learn. I wish we had it as easy as the Pelican site. I can load photos there with no issues at all. Have great day and tell the super-in-law I said good morning. Cheers. beerchug.gif

Posted by: bbrock Nov 1 2017, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Nov 1 2017, 05:45 AM) *

I am an Apple.


Over my pay grade. But I've got people (like the entire rest of the family) that use Apple. I'll ask the brain trust.
Just Super In Law and I are on Windows. I bought Super In Law a Samsung tablet a few years ago to replace the newspaper. He calls it his newspaper. LOL.


http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/60449/resize-multiple-images-windows-without-extra-software/ in Windows to batch resize images without installing other software.

Posted by: stevegm Nov 1 2017, 09:03 AM

This is coming along very nicely. It will be an awesome ride. It makes me want to spend more time on mine. It has been a really busy year at work. So I haven't had much time.

Posted by: 76-914 Nov 1 2017, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Nov 1 2017, 08:45 AM) *

I am an Apple.

I email them to myself and choose the size when they are sent. There’s probably a better way that I just don’t know.

I haven't found a way other than cropping a pic. I use my camera if posting. The iPhone pic's are just too large. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914forme Nov 1 2017, 07:50 PM

If your an Apple person it is easy. Import the pictures into photos, and then export them as a jpg in the size and detail you want. I normally use high detail and a size of large, fit very well. I save the exports into a folder called 914world, and then pull them out from there.

If I did it in original size, it would not be nice to Sir Andy. I use a point and shoot camera for the shop, the iPhone takes great pictures, but I can drop the point and shoot and not care at all.

Now back to this great restoration piratenanner.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 1 2017, 09:44 PM

Hey Stephen- I will give that a try. Thanks and Cheers. Michael beerchug.gif

Posted by: Valy Nov 1 2017, 11:49 PM

QUOTE(914350 @ Oct 31 2017, 06:06 PM) *

In process of removing the front panel. Since it was previously replaced, it tears up the flanges that it is welded to due to them being plug welds. It's the right way to weld it on but just harder to remove. All these flanges will be rebuilt.

I feel like i have a deja vu...

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 2 2017, 05:42 AM

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Posted by: 914350 Nov 2 2017, 01:23 PM

Drivers front fender is rotted out and will need to be replaced.


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Posted by: mb911 Nov 2 2017, 01:24 PM

Oh oh..

Posted by: 914350 Nov 2 2017, 02:34 PM

More progress.


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Posted by: burton73 Nov 2 2017, 03:06 PM

At least your car will be 100% primo. Great shop. Every detail.

Bob B

Posted by: mepstein Nov 2 2017, 04:06 PM

Michael - I feel sick every time I see another problem posted.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 2 2017, 04:38 PM

Mark - Don't worry; I know you had your problems too.

I feel like it is Ground Hog day and I can't escape the nightmare.....
Fortunately for me and my Six Kent is 100% on this and knows this is the level of work I want.

Not the continual replacing of panels part.... lol-2.gif

Posted by: porschetub Nov 2 2017, 05:00 PM

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Michael - I feel sick every time I see another problem posted.


agree.gif bugger thought you were heading for primer and paint soon,you are a patient person Michael...all the best ,hope things go a little smoother for you from now on confused24.gif .

Posted by: 914350 Nov 2 2017, 05:37 PM

...again, plug welds are not as easy to seperate as spot welds.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 2 2017, 06:52 PM

Thanks Kent - I love seeing your work. smilie_pokal.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Nov 2 2017, 09:27 PM

Michael, are you driving Jim's white /6 to the events down here this weekend?

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Posted by: cary Nov 2 2017, 09:39 PM

Kent, when you have a minute ...............

Am I only seeing 2 spot welds from the fender to the cowl ? I thought the one I tore down had 3 on each side with a 6 inch non welded section in the middle.
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Kent, when you have a minute ...............

Am I only seeing 2 spot welds from the fender to the cowl ? I thought the one I tore down had 3 on each side with a 6 inch non welded section in the middle.
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Yes, true. This fender had been replaced so what your seeing isn't the factory welds.

Posted by: stevegm Nov 3 2017, 03:28 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Nov 2 2017, 08:52 PM) *

Thanks Kent - I love seeing your work. smilie_pokal.gif



Really, really good work. This car is going to be amazing when it is finished.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 4 2017, 06:54 AM

Thanks Steve. I am fortunate Kent was able to accept my car into his shop. I am so glad to see progress knowing it is being done correctly.

Posted by: 914350 Nov 7 2017, 11:11 AM

At some point the holes for the side lights and turn signals were welded up on both sides. I'll drill/bore the hole..


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Posted by: 914350 Nov 7 2017, 11:18 AM

If you look, you can see in this pic how the bottom of the bucket is pushed over/inward. Look at the angle of the drain tube and the angle of the bumper bracket.
The second pic shows damage from a previous accident.


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Posted by: 914350 Nov 7 2017, 11:23 AM

Because the inner structure was bad, the fender gap was gone on that side and someone had drilled the bumper bolt holes out to about the size of a quarter. So the bumper would align.


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Posted by: 914350 Nov 7 2017, 11:31 AM

This section had to go. Pounded on welded on and damaged.


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Posted by: Socalandy Nov 7 2017, 12:13 PM

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 7 2017, 12:20 PM

Hi Kent - Thanks for the pictures.

I have no idea why anyone would have welded the holes for the warts and turns signals up. My Six had them on and working when I bought it and was never not going to have them. WTH?

Thanks again - Michael

Posted by: mepstein Nov 7 2017, 12:24 PM

QUOTE(914350 @ Nov 7 2017, 12:18 PM) *

If you look, you can see in this pic how the bottom of the bucket is pushed over/inward. Look at the angle of the drain tube and the angle of the bumper bracket.
The second pic shows damage from a previous accident.

March 2013 from the first go around.



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Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 7 2017, 01:08 PM

Mark....You're killing me.... beerchug.gif

Posted by: Socalandy Nov 7 2017, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 3 2017, 11:06 AM) *

Michael - I feel sick every time I see another problem posted.


agree.gif bugger thought you were heading for primer and paint soon,you are a patient person Michael...all the best ,hope things go a little smoother for you from now on confused24.gif .


This isnt a TV show wham bam thank you, once the metal work is done there is still a ton of work/blocking to get there. no mud fest here aktion035.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 7 2017, 02:58 PM

Kent is not going to be sculpting my 914-6 - that's for sure. That's how they end up weighing 2 tons!

Posted by: r_towle Nov 18 2017, 07:49 PM

how is this going?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 18 2017, 10:08 PM

Well we have sourced the NOS nose, left and right front fenders. So we should be seeing some great work soon. Thanks for asking.

Posted by: 914350 Nov 18 2017, 10:17 PM

Mike located NOS left and right front fenders, they should hopefully show up next week. I've been cleaning up edges and trimming some sections off of a donner car that will be needed. I'll load some pics next week. I got a new phone and pics didn't get transfered. I need to download the pics off of my old phone onto my computer so I can post them.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 19 2017, 08:08 AM

Oh man.... I can't wait to see those NOS parts, (nose, L&R front fenders) in Kent's shop with my Six.

These NOS fenders were not inexpensive by any means and I was very fortunate to have been contacted by a fellow member who offered them up for sale. Despite the cost, I was very excited to be able to buy them for my car.

The NOS nose was a great deal and I am very appreciative of the seller for that. I also bought a stock deep rear valance (4 cylinder) from him.

Thank you very much to fellow members aturboman (Robert) and Perry Kiehl. Both of you are great guys and great to deal with.

My commitment to my Six is to build it to the highest standard possible. That is what Kent is doing- no doubt at all. I am confident Kent could have worked with the rusted fenders and damaged nose on my car and absolutely metal worked them to be prefect. (Heck, I am pretty sure Kent could take a piece of sheet metal and make a perfect stock 914 fender from scratch for that matter.) But I do not believe that would be in the best interest of my build. We had enough issues with my tub needing to be corrected that I did not want to compound all of that with bad parts. These NOS parts will enable Kent to get my chassis dialed-in better than when it rolled out of the factory.

I am seriously looking forward to next year as all of the fabrication, metal work and repairs are in the rearview mirror.

Cheers,
Michael beerchug.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 21 2017, 10:08 AM

So Kent has been pretty busy by the looks of it.... this is what happens when you wet-sand blast a car. This stuff cakes up like clods of dirt and holds moisture and causes rust. That will not be a problem now. I am lucky that Kent recognized we had an issue and removed this quarter panel. Apparently the other side is OK.

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Posted by: Lucky9146 Nov 21 2017, 11:25 AM

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So Kent has been pretty busy by the looks of it.... this is what happens when you wet-sand blast a car. This stuff cakes up like clods of dirt and holds moisture and causes rust. That will not be a problem now. I am lucky that Kent recognized we had an issue and removed this quarter panel. Apparently the other side is OK.

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As you can see below in a copy of my response below to your comment posted on my thread I recently spent some time on your thread so I thought I would copy paste it here. The point is when I was reading your part one and saw the wet sandblasting pictures I was puzzled how on earth could that end up being OK and how could that possibly be protected from rust in those hard to get to areas that obviously wet sand could get to. Well I got my answer and unfortunately or really now fortunately it is being addressed! beerchug.gif
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Re post from my thread:
Your post caused me to spend most of last night reading both your part one AND part 2 in their entirety! Yes, I have read parts of them before, but only parts, and I decided I wanted to take the time on your thread and start from the beginning and get the entire picture. Wow you my friend have been through a lot! And I was sorry to see some of your set backs, hell I'm sorry to see all your set backs headbang.gif and it makes mine seem rather simple in comparison. When it came time in part 2 for the entire front end to come back off I thought I had dozed off and somehow clicked back on part 1. Holy stromberg.gif

Sure looks like it is now in the right hands and making good progress with NOS parts. I see that you have had tremendous support through the whole ordeal and that is fantastic. I will now follow closely your thread and wish you all the best in getting it completed! beerchug.gif
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Posted by: 914350 Nov 21 2017, 03:00 PM

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Posted by: 914350 Nov 21 2017, 03:01 PM

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Posted by: 914350 Nov 21 2017, 03:04 PM

New phone, larger pics. Said no adjustment for pic size when I looked on line... argh!


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 21 2017, 10:49 PM

That looks like the former passenger side quarter. Glad that came off and will be replaced (correctly) with another complete panel to fix that widening we saw of the rear end as well as the length problem.

Lucky9146 -

Thank you very much for taking the time to review the complete thread. Yes, I have had a lot of support from our members and others. I am so thankful of that. When it is tough going, that is very helpful in remaining positive.

This poor Six build has dragged on so long, languished for about 5 years with no real progress aside from being disassembled and then cobbled together poorly, that a lot of people probably gave up on the car and the thread. I almost gave up too. I came close to listing the whole thing for sale any buying something else for fun. I was very upset about the whole thing and unsure what to do. My car was in pieces on the other side of the country! I talked to a few valued members and friends and finally said, enough is enough.

My love of the Six won out and I decided I had to take the reins and put an end to the B.S. Thankfully, unbeknownst to me, Jim, Andy and Kent, (the founding members of The Justice League, as far as I am concerned) while busy with Jim's incredible car, were apparently often talking, scratching and laughing about my build as it went from bad to worse. Jim reached out to me, (one of the better days of my life) and offered up their services - dedication, skills and expertise, to restore my car correctly.

I knew this was going to blow my budget, but I really wanted my Six to be done correctly. A build I would be proud of and not ashamed or afraid to drive. This was my 3rd Six and I had loved my first two so much I knew I had to do this.

We all have that one car that kind of takes us back to our youth. Though I have had a ton of very nice cars, the Six was that car for me. I discussed it with my wife, told her how much money I had wasted, what it would likely take to recover from that event, and then finish the car. Thankfully, my wife, who loved my last Six as much as I did, maybe more since she cried when it drove off with its new owner, said to just get this one built right so that we could enjoy it. She actually thinks she will be using it as her daily driver when she retires shortly.......I told her she is keeping the C4S as her DD.

That pretty much gets us to where we are now except I had no way of knowing apparently all of the work previously done was done so poorly it would all have to be re-done for my Six to reach the level I expected. Good thing too because I do not believe Kent would have accepted the car if I had said I just wanted a clean driver. For that he would likely have referred me to another shop. Rightly so too. Kent is one of those rare guys who knows, loves, works with and restores metal. My Six needed his skills desperately if it was ever going to survive the experience it had been through and be returned to the car I expected it to be. Oh, and not to let the cat to far out of the bag, but Kent's skills are not limited to body restoration and paint.

So that kind of gives a quick overview of how and why my car has been being restored for 5.5 years now.....

Best wishes everyone. Keep your eye on this thread and watch as this Six comes along.
Cheers,
Michael beerchug.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Nov 21 2017, 11:06 PM

We toured Kent's shop Saturday morning before we all drove our cars over to the Pelican event. Wow, there was some questionable work torn off of that car. Kent showed us all of the finer points. He surely has an eye and feel for a 914 chassis. I'd love for him to paint my black car from the doorjambs out after your car leaves.

It will be worth the wait, and you are in such good hands with those other two guys helping on re-building it into a running, driving car.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 22 2017, 07:34 AM

Thanks Larmo63. I believe people will be surprised when they finally see close-up pictures of what Kent had to deal with when my Six arrived, after all of the work I had previously paid to have done.

Glad you got a chance to see my Six in progress. Yeah, I can only imagine how a black 914 would look after Kent gets his hands on it. first.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 22 2017, 01:47 PM

The fenders shipped separately. One down, one to go. beerchug.gif

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Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 22 2017, 02:17 PM

I hope to someday see this car in person. Good to see things getting done! biggrin.gif

Posted by: rhodyguy Nov 22 2017, 04:03 PM

Wow. Just wow.

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 27 2017, 06:43 PM

My poor car.....well we have to get it back to what it was meant to be. Sad that it has had to go through such a tough journey to get it all straight. In the end, it will be better than factory built. Keep at it Kent, you got this.

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 28 2017, 11:39 AM

The left rear got removed also ???

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 28 2017, 08:20 PM

Maybe......not sure.

Posted by: jeeperjohn56 Nov 28 2017, 11:12 PM

Hey Mike, your car is going to be a awesome car and will be a show car like Andy's.I'm glad that you found the right guy.Kent will do you right good luck can't wait to see it finished.

Posted by: raynekat Nov 29 2017, 12:25 AM

Keep at it Man....
You'll be there in no time at this rate.
Watching in great anticipation of your final result.
Cheers.

Posted by: banananose914 Nov 29 2017, 01:06 AM

Kent has been forsaking his Sunday's with the other members of the Justice League to work on your 6. My 6 doesen't like Kent seeing other sixes. You got that Kent. By the way, we have a meeting this Sunday, Kent. If you want Andy to buy you lunch, and me to buy you soda water, you better show up. Anyway, Mike your car is moving along nicely. You will be happy. Kent is killing it. In a good way. I intend to have your hardware plated this week. I just want to make sure I have it all before it goes out. There is a lot. I also have most of your stuff done and stored in plastic bins and separated from my parts. I don't want any cross contamination. Next thing you know the parts will want to unionize, and then their periods will synch up. Then we'll be in real trouble. Talk to you soon. Jim.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 29 2017, 07:07 AM

Hey Jim - Scotty just mailed another box, hopefully the last, and you should have that this week. I think at that point we will have all we are going to have. I look forward to talking-maybe tonight?
Cheers, beerchug.gif

Posted by: mepstein Nov 29 2017, 07:48 AM

I thought the plating was done already.
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Posted by: rgalla9146 Nov 29 2017, 08:40 AM

His car has five engine lid latches ?......three front sway bars !!!!!!

Posted by: cary Nov 29 2017, 09:11 AM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Nov 27 2017, 04:43 PM) *

In the end, it will be better than factory built.


I second that ..........

Posted by: bulitt Nov 29 2017, 09:43 AM

Right about now feeling for anyone that has had a car wetblasted sad.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 29 2017, 11:24 AM

Hi Mark:

That was a batch of plating Scotty sent out for multiple cars. I don't believe Scotty was really impressed with the results. Jim will go through what we receive and determine what, if anything, needs to be done. We want all of the plating to be excellent quality and the same. Clear all matches, etc. beerchug.gif

Posted by: burton73 Nov 29 2017, 11:37 AM

What are you going to do for a toolkit?

Bob B

Posted by: 914350 Nov 29 2017, 11:58 AM

QUOTE(banananose914 @ Nov 28 2017, 11:06 PM) *

Kent has been forsaking his Sunday's with the other members of the Justice League to work on your 6. My 6 doesen't like Kent seeing other sixes. You got that Kent. By the way, we have a meeting this Sunday, Kent. If you want Andy to buy you lunch, and me to buy you soda water, you better show up. Anyway, Mike your car is moving along nicely. You will be happy. Kent is killing it. In a good way. I intend to have your hardware plated this week. I just want to make sure I have it all before it goes out. There is a lot. I also have most of your stuff done and stored in plastic bins and separated from my parts. I don't want any cross contamination. Next thing you know the parts will want to unionize, and then their periods will synch up. Then we'll be in real trouble. Talk to you soon. Jim.

Line up the Soda waters, I'll be there. biggrin.gif

Posted by: 914350 Nov 29 2017, 12:03 PM

QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 28 2017, 09:39 AM) *

The left rear got removed also ???

It had been replaced in the past and looks good. The fact that it was replaced and that there was no factory sealant at the base of the roll bar allowed the wet sand to run out durring blasting. Using the bosescope, I can see that it's clear and rust free.

Posted by: 914350 Nov 29 2017, 12:12 PM

Trimming edges and removed the old battery tray.


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Posted by: 914350 Nov 29 2017, 12:57 PM

Front fenders that Mike located.
Thank you to Perry Kiehl for letting these go. They will be a great addition to Mikes project.


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Posted by: 914350 Nov 29 2017, 01:04 PM

The brackets on the front will come of, they are for later cars.


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Posted by: 914350 Nov 29 2017, 01:08 PM

Here's a sneak preview of the front nose panel and a hint as to how (with some Tig welding) it will become an early nose as opposed to late.


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Posted by: 914350 Nov 29 2017, 01:21 PM

A few pics for you to enjoy your purchase Mike. biggrin.gif


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 29 2017, 08:09 PM

Hey Kent - Loving the front end pictures! That is so cool. Thanks for doing that. beerchug.gif

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QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Nov 29 2017, 06:09 PM) *

Hey Kent - Loving the front end pictures! That is so cool. Thanks for doing that. beerchug.gif

Thought you'd like that. biggrin.gif

Posted by: 914350 Nov 30 2017, 04:17 PM

Donor parts and the sections that they gave up. I'll blast them and trim to fit then they are ready to go on the car.


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Posted by: Larmo63 Nov 30 2017, 06:09 PM

Dang, that is some heavy surgery right there. The fenders look great.

Are the warts and wart holes going to go away?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 30 2017, 07:05 PM

I love the warts - they stay.

Posted by: bigkensteele Nov 30 2017, 07:07 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Nov 30 2017, 05:05 PM) *

I love the warts - they stay.

I agree. The amber over gold looks good! stirthepot.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 30 2017, 07:52 PM

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Posted by: Perry Kiehl Nov 30 2017, 08:00 PM

They will look better on Michaels' car than they did hanging in my shop. I got them to black hole for my own 6, but it's found a new home.

Posted by: Larmo63 Nov 30 2017, 11:29 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Nov 30 2017, 05:05 PM) *

I love the warts - they stay.


You and Mr. Banananose like those damn warts. I'm going to scrub 'em if I can get Kent to paint my car.


Posted by: banananose914 Dec 1 2017, 01:44 AM

Scrub a dub, dub, the warts stay on the tub.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 1 2017, 07:29 AM

You have another career awaiting you Jim....song writer. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Dec 1 2017, 09:56 AM

To add to his illustrious comedy writing and parking lot stand up routine?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 1 2017, 12:02 PM

You never want to limit your options.....

Posted by: 914350 Dec 4 2017, 03:14 PM

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Posted by: 914350 Dec 4 2017, 06:22 PM

Donor rear fender. Great condition. Got the car in the shop and I'll start removing it tomorrow.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 4 2017, 08:32 PM

Terrific looking parts. Thanks for posting the pictures Kent.

Posted by: Larmo63 Dec 4 2017, 08:49 PM

Wow, you won't even have paint that fender.

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Posted by: Blue6 Dec 4 2017, 09:10 PM

QUOTE(914350 @ Dec 4 2017, 05:22 PM) *

Donor rear fender. Great condition. Got the car in the shop and I'll start removing it tomorrow.


Kent, say it isn't so. Your cutting up the "green hornet"? So much history. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Luke M Dec 5 2017, 12:52 PM

QUOTE(Blue6 @ Dec 4 2017, 08:10 PM) *

QUOTE(914350 @ Dec 4 2017, 05:22 PM) *

Donor rear fender. Great condition. Got the car in the shop and I'll start removing it tomorrow.


Kent, say it isn't so. Your cutting up the "green hornet"? So much history. biggrin.gif



Hi Kent,

What's the plan with the green 914 once you remove the r/r quarter ?

Keep up the great work.. beerchug.gif




Posted by: 914350 Dec 5 2017, 01:54 PM

QUOTE(Blue6 @ Dec 4 2017, 07:10 PM) *

QUOTE(914350 @ Dec 4 2017, 05:22 PM) *

Donor rear fender. Great condition. Got the car in the shop and I'll start removing it tomorrow.


Kent, say it isn't so. Your cutting up the "green hornet"? So much history. biggrin.gif


Sorry Dave, it's gotta go. biggrin.gif

Posted by: 914350 Dec 5 2017, 01:56 PM

QUOTE(Luke M @ Dec 5 2017, 10:52 AM) *

QUOTE(Blue6 @ Dec 4 2017, 08:10 PM) *

QUOTE(914350 @ Dec 4 2017, 05:22 PM) *

Donor rear fender. Great condition. Got the car in the shop and I'll start removing it tomorrow.


Kent, say it isn't so. Your cutting up the "green hornet"? So much history. biggrin.gif



Hi Kent,

What's the plan with the green 914 once you remove the r/r quarter ?

Keep up the great work.. beerchug.gif


Hi Luke,
I'll be parting it out. Some parts will go to my six. PM if there's anything you need.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 5 2017, 03:18 PM

Sadly, in the wild, some must die so others may live. Here we have a very nice green car giving its life to help others in need. We offer thanks and bow our heads in prayer. pray.gif

Posted by: Perry Kiehl Dec 5 2017, 04:19 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Dec 5 2017, 01:18 PM) *

Sadly, in the wild, some must die so others may live. Here we have a very nice green car giving its life to help others in need. We offer thanks and bow our heads in prayer. pray.gif


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Posted by: 914350 Dec 5 2017, 06:07 PM

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Posted by: mb911 Dec 5 2017, 06:10 PM

I wish my car was that clean to start with as the green car..

Posted by: bigkensteele Dec 5 2017, 06:45 PM

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I wish my car was that clean to start with as the green car..

agree.gif Wish my right inner fender looked like that.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 5 2017, 07:13 PM

Nice looking fender Kent. How is the backside?

Posted by: Blue6 Dec 5 2017, 07:58 PM

Yep, the green hornet is a very nice car. I dated all my wives in that little beauty. I still want to buy the seat. smile.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Dec 5 2017, 08:15 PM

The seats have been dispatched to the Smithsonian.

Posted by: 914350 Dec 5 2017, 09:33 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Dec 5 2017, 05:13 PM) *

Nice looking fender Kent. How is the backside?


No rot, I'll take a pic tomorrow.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 6 2017, 07:56 AM

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Posted by: 914350 Dec 6 2017, 10:32 AM

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 7 2017, 09:35 AM

Cant' wait to see that baby media-blasted and ready to be installed. popcorn[1].gif Thanks Kent for pulling that terrific quarter off and making it available for my car. This is going to be one tight and straight chassis. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Dec 7 2017, 04:05 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Dec 7 2017, 07:35 AM) *

Cant' wait to see that baby media-blasted and ready to be installed. popcorn[1].gif Thanks Kent for pulling that terrific quarter off and making it available for my car. This is going to be one tight and straight chassis. beerchug.gif


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Posted by: JmuRiz Dec 8 2017, 08:41 AM

Amazed at what nice donor parts you guys get out west...the stuff in the east is usually almost as rusty as the stuff being replaced!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 8 2017, 11:10 AM

Believe me, I know.....

Posted by: mepstein Dec 8 2017, 11:52 AM

QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Dec 8 2017, 09:41 AM) *

Amazed at what nice donor parts you guys get out west...the stuff in the east is usually almost as rusty as the stuff being replaced!

That's why I'm buying the $500 chassis.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 8 2017, 12:01 PM

Mark - The Green Hornet's chassis? Or another one?
Cheers,
Michael

Posted by: banananose914 Dec 9 2017, 12:18 PM

QUOTE(Blue6 @ Dec 5 2017, 05:58 PM) *

Yep, the green hornet is a very nice car. I dated all my wives in that little beauty. I still want to buy the seat. smile.gif

Uh, Dave. Don't you mean you got pregnant in that car? I think your last kid had my eyes. I initially thought that the 914 was a small car, but you sure changed my mind. You are one flexible lady. I want to thank you for that. And Kent, don't use any black lights near that car. You may see some things you don't want to see.

Posted by: hot_shoe914 Dec 9 2017, 06:30 PM

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Pics.

Did this come off of a 76?

Posted by: Blue6 Dec 9 2017, 11:04 PM

QUOTE(banananose914 @ Dec 9 2017, 11:18 AM) *

QUOTE(Blue6 @ Dec 5 2017, 05:58 PM) *

Yep, the green hornet is a very nice car. I dated all my wives in that little beauty. I still want to buy the seat. smile.gif

Uh, Dave. Don't you mean you got pregnant in that car? I think your last kid had my eyes. I initially thought that the 914 was a small car, but you sure changed my mind. You are one flexible lady. I want to thank you for that. And Kent, don't use any black lights near that car. You may see some things you don't want to see.


Wow. Just know that we're here to help you. Nobody is going to hurt you. Just let the nice men put the nice white coat on you. We've told you before to wear a mask when you help Kent with the paint work. sad.gif

Posted by: bulitt Dec 10 2017, 06:08 AM

QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Dec 8 2017, 09:41 AM) *

Amazed at what nice donor parts you guys get out west...the stuff in the east is usually almost as rusty as the stuff being replaced!



So True. What we think is nice vs what is really nice. Hopefully west coasters understand "that" when making a purchase from the EC? And living in the south where minimal salt is used on the roads in the winter- we stay clear of used vehicles from the North...

Posted by: 914350 Dec 11 2017, 05:27 PM

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Ready for media blasting.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 11 2017, 05:50 PM

Oh that looks very nice. We now have an early front panel. biggrin.gif

Posted by: gereed75 Dec 11 2017, 07:32 PM

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Oh that looks very nice. We now have an early front panel. biggrin.gif



Notice how the picture of the nice spot welds is Crystal clear, then the one with the nasty seam welds is all out of focus, then the ground nice finished panel is all crisp again!!!! poke.gif

Makes an amateur newbie panel welder feel better!! Thank god for grinders!!

Posted by: altitude411 Dec 11 2017, 08:06 PM

Very nice! beerchug.gif

Posted by: rick 918-S Dec 11 2017, 10:28 PM

Love that fix. I have to do the same thing.

Posted by: Blue6 Dec 11 2017, 11:59 PM

"Amateur newbie panel welder", that's funny. welder.gif

Posted by: sixnotfour Dec 12 2017, 06:12 PM

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Love that fix. I have to do the same thing.

agree.gif Me too, I have 2 nos late panels blink.gif

Posted by: jim_hoyland Dec 13 2017, 07:47 AM

Great thread ! Kent, thanks for posting all the pics, it's a treat seeing your work smile.gif


Posted by: 914350 Dec 13 2017, 11:10 AM

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Love that fix. I have to do the same thing.

Thanks Rick.

Posted by: 914350 Dec 13 2017, 11:12 AM

Thanks guys for all the nice comments. biggrin.gif

Posted by: burton73 Dec 13 2017, 01:04 PM

You are going to be booked with West Side work for a long time.

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Posted by: Mueller Dec 13 2017, 03:33 PM

Amazing amount of work!

What was that hole for that you made the patch panel for?

Posted by: 914350 Dec 13 2017, 03:48 PM

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Amazing amount of work!

What was that hole for that you made the patch panel for?

The front of the inner fenders were damaged so they were removed and replaced with sections from another car.
The nose panel was from a late car so I removed the sections from the damaged nose and welded them in on the nose to make it an early/ correct nose for the car.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 13 2017, 04:49 PM

Just amazing work. I am very impressed and pleased. Thanks and thanks for posting to the thread Kent.

Posted by: ValcoOscar Dec 13 2017, 05:06 PM

Hey Kent-

Bob's absolutely right...and I'm guessing you can reconstruct enough 914's to fill every month of a calendar in about 5-6 years. Perfect timing...I hope to retire by then so I can be your gopher.

BTW..I will be the first to pre-order.

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Oscar

Posted by: 76-914 Dec 14 2017, 09:44 AM

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Just amazing work. I am very impressed and pleased. Thanks and thanks for posting to the thread Kent.

agree.gif I believe the skill level is only 50% of this restoration. It's his character that allows him to take the time to thoroughly inspect and correct all deficiencies. Kent's attention to detail is truly commendable. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Dec 14 2017, 06:53 PM

QUOTE(76-914 @ Dec 14 2017, 07:44 AM) *

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Dec 13 2017, 02:49 PM) *

Just amazing work. I am very impressed and pleased. Thanks and thanks for posting to the thread Kent.

agree.gif I believe the skill level is only 50% of this restoration. It's his character that allows him to take the time to thoroughly inspect and correct all deficiencies. Kent's attention to detail is truly commendable. beerchug.gif

Hey, thanks. I appreciate that. biggrin.gif

Posted by: 914350 Dec 14 2017, 06:58 PM

Prepping the reat fender for media blasting. Very clean under the foam in the rear corner. Way cool.


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Posted by: 914350 Dec 14 2017, 07:02 PM

Some pre fitment. I think Mike will enjoy this pic.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 14 2017, 10:11 PM

OMG! That is such a great picture. piratenanner.gif

I am so happy to see that quarter is clean and solid and the front end pieces all sitting in place like that. Thanks Kent. smilie_pokal.gif

Posted by: Lucky9146 Dec 14 2017, 11:35 PM

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Some pre fitment. I think Mike will enjoy this pic.

Kent
Is that a different hood now? Looks like the hood it arrived in your shop with for Part 2 was primerish/ blueish/ greenish maybe? Can't tell the color. Same hood with yellow on it or test hood? Maybe I missed something with so many panels being replaced. Just curious. Thanks
Amazingly great work to watch and always looking for the next post! beerchug.gif
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Posted by: Mueller Dec 14 2017, 11:53 PM

Is there a count of how many donor vehicles have been used on this restoration?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 15 2017, 08:35 AM

Kent has replaced a few panels because the ones we had were not in the condition or of the quality we wanted and expected for my build.

I had decided to update my original doors, which were in good condition, with later doors for the crash protection. The doors from VA, represented as in great shape, were actually badly rusted and covered in body filler. Kent had 2 late doors that were actually in great shape and so they are now on my car.

My original front fenders had been poorly body worked and had accident damage. Scotty and I sourced two replacement front fenders, represented as excellent condition. Turns out they were improperly installed and did not line up as they should and were as badly rusted as the doors. So I located 2 NOS fenders for that replacement.

The front nose on my car was in good condition, but it was a late replacement panel without the holes. Likely installed back in the 80's. We also had an early and late headlight bucket on the car. Scotty and I talked about this and decided to make the front nose correct because this build was to be as good as or better than when it left the factory. We sourced an early front nose in pretty good condition and it was installed. Turns out it was not properly installed and prior damage was never repaired before the install. During the install of that panel, damage was done to the inner front fenders, creating more issues needing addressing. This resulted in my sourcing a NOS nose for a 73-74 car which Kent "corrected" to be an early panel for my car.

The front hood on my car was in decent shape but Scott said he had a perfect hood. Turns out that hood had a lot of damage and the support frame was separated from the hood skin and never properly repaired. Kent has replaced that hood with a hood he had which I know will be perfect.

The passenger side quarter on my car had rear crash damage and Scott sectioned a new piece from a donor car at mid-fenderwell. The fitment was off by 1/4", going wide at the rear of the car and also longer than it should have been by approximately the same amount. Kent had to remove that panel and elected to do a full quarter replacement with a near prefect replacement panel from a donor car he had. Turns out we got really luck there as that panel is really in great shape.

That leaves the trunk.....I know that the trunk on my car when it left VA had visible damage in the front right corner. I believe that is a replacement trunk Scotty had. I do not know if that panel will remain or not at this point.

I don't know how to fell about that- 5 cars (possibly) gave up body parts so my Six could once again be driven and admired by many for decades to come (I hope). I take comfort that all of those cars were already parts cars or had been parted and were in storage awaiting cars that needed their parts.

I am grateful for all of the people who have generously offered up parts to help my build. I am most grateful for Kent's abilities and willingness to tackle this mess and set it right.

Cheers everyone - beerchug.gif
Michael

Posted by: 76-914 Dec 15 2017, 09:43 AM

I have 2 questions.
What steps can be taken to prevent rust on this Jewel, Michael, e.g plating or dipping?
Kent, do you foresee a time when you might need to re-skin the doors? I'd love to see that process detailed here.

Posted by: rhodyguy Dec 15 2017, 09:57 AM

Are you going to adapt the late doors for the cable style winders or stick with the late versions?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 15 2017, 10:11 AM

76-914 - 1. The doors Kent supplied he metal finished and they are prefect. 2. I am not sure what we will do to make this chassis as rust proof as possible- that is Kent's domain. I am confident he will know how best to approach this and he will make it so.

rhodyguy - I am sticking with the later window mechanism. I see those as a better mechanism, long-term.


Posted by: rhodyguy Dec 15 2017, 11:08 AM

No doubt on the windows.

Posted by: 914350 Dec 19 2017, 08:04 PM

Drilled multiple holes that had been welded up.


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Trimming off the old fender and repairing some damaged areas.


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Posted by: 914350 Dec 19 2017, 08:15 PM

Fitting fenders.
Dropped off the rear fender and nose panel for blasting, should have them back this week.


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Posted by: tygaboy Dec 19 2017, 08:51 PM

I want to come hang out and just watch you work. Looks like a really cool place...

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 19 2017, 11:04 PM

Me too! I just love seeing the work in progress. Those last 2 photos are really sweet. Kent has been all over my car making it right again. I am so glad to finally see things being squared away correctly. I can't wait for the body work to begin once all of the metal correction and fabrication is complete. beerchug.gif Thank you Kent.

Posted by: JmuRiz Dec 20 2017, 09:09 AM

Who's the lucky duck with the 356 you're working on? biggrin.gif

Posted by: 914350 Dec 20 2017, 02:36 PM

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Who's the lucky duck with the 356 you're working on? biggrin.gif


Wish it was mine but it belongs to a customer. It's also a 64 like yours.

Posted by: raynekat Dec 20 2017, 03:12 PM

Just saw the gauges you had done that you posted on Pelican.
Those are super nice looking.
You should post here too as well some time.
Continued good luck with your build....

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 20 2017, 03:47 PM

RayneKat - If that was meant for me, I have posted my gauges in this build thread. They may be in Part 1 though. But thanks a lot - I like them too.

Posted by: 914350 Dec 20 2017, 06:33 PM

Pics.


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Posted by: 914350 Dec 20 2017, 06:34 PM

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Posted by: Amenson Dec 20 2017, 08:35 PM

It is like watching an autopsy popcorn[1].gif

Great work, thank you for taking the time to share the pictures. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Perry Kiehl Dec 20 2017, 08:39 PM

Will you go back and solder that jamb seam when you put it together?

I'm also doing a significant amount of metal work on a 6 chassis, including the right rear quarter and jamb.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 20 2017, 09:50 PM

Wow! popcorn[1].gif

Posted by: Mueller Dec 20 2017, 10:38 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Dec 15 2017, 06:35 AM) *

Kent has replaced a few panels because the ones we had were not in the condition or of the quality we wanted and expected for my build.

I had decided to update my original doors, which were in good condition, with later doors for the crash protection. The doors from VA, represented as in great shape, were actually badly rusted and covered in body filler. Kent had 2 late doors that were actually in great shape and so they are now on my car.

My original front fenders had been poorly body worked and had accident damage. Scotty and I sourced two replacement front fenders, represented as excellent condition. Turns out they were improperly installed and did not line up as they should and were as badly rusted as the doors. So I located 2 NOS fenders for that replacement.

The front nose on my car was in good condition, but it was a late replacement panel without the holes. Likely installed back in the 80's. We also had an early and late headlight bucket on the car. Scotty and I talked about this and decided to make the front nose correct because this build was to be as good as or better than when it left the factory. We sourced an early front nose in pretty good condition and it was installed. Turns out it was not properly installed and prior damage was never repaired before the install. During the install of that panel, damage was done to the inner front fenders, creating more issues needing addressing. This resulted in my sourcing a NOS nose for a 73-74 car which Kent "corrected" to be an early panel for my car.

The front hood on my car was in decent shape but Scott said he had a perfect hood. Turns out that hood had a lot of damage and the support frame was separated from the hood skin and never properly repaired. Kent has replaced that hood with a hood he had which I know will be perfect.

The passenger side quarter on my car had rear crash damage and Scott sectioned a new piece from a donor car at mid-fenderwell. The fitment was off by 1/4", going wide at the rear of the car and also longer than it should have been by approximately the same amount. Kent had to remove that panel and elected to do a full quarter replacement with a near prefect replacement panel from a donor car he had. Turns out we got really luck there as that panel is really in great shape.

That leaves the trunk.....I know that the trunk on my car when it left VA had visible damage in the front right corner. I believe that is a replacement trunk Scotty had. I do not know if that panel will remain or not at this point.

I don't know how to fell about that- 5 cars (possibly) gave up body parts so my Six could once again be driven and admired by many for decades to come (I hope). I take comfort that all of those cars were already parts cars or had been parted and were in storage awaiting cars that needed their parts.

I am grateful for all of the people who have generously offered up parts to help my build. I am most grateful for Kent's abilities and willingness to tackle this mess and set it right.

Cheers everyone - beerchug.gif
Michael


Thanks for sharing! I admire the work, way beyond anything I'd ever attempt.

Posted by: raynekat Dec 20 2017, 10:57 PM

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RayneKat - If that was meant for me, I have posted my gauges in this build thread. They may be in Part 1 though. But thanks a lot - I like them too.


Yes, it was for you. Nice solution for multiple gauges that are needed on a six.

Posted by: 914350 Dec 21 2017, 03:44 PM

Progress.


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Posted by: 914350 Dec 21 2017, 03:46 PM

More.


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Posted by: mb911 Dec 21 2017, 04:04 PM

Looking good.. I wish I could make progress like that on my own..

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 21 2017, 05:35 PM

Kent- Those panels came out beautifully. Looking good and thanks for posting the pics. beerchug.gif

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 21 2017, 05:42 PM

Anyone notice anything different regarding the speedo?




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Posted by: raynekat Dec 21 2017, 06:12 PM

Ummmmm.....it's on the wrong side of the tach? tongue.gif

It has a reset on the front window?

More 911-ish w/o as many numbers on the face?

Trim ring is split?

Posted by: mepstein Dec 21 2017, 06:19 PM

Extra digit on odometer.

Posted by: mepstein Dec 21 2017, 06:21 PM

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Looking good.. I wish I could make progress like that on my own..

Oil tanks, heat exchangers, rocker extensions, mufflers - slacker.

Posted by: 914350 Dec 21 2017, 06:38 PM

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Kent- Those panels came out beautifully. Looking good and thanks for posting the pics. beerchug.gif


You are very welcome biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 21 2017, 07:06 PM

Yeah - I did not want to lose the original mileage on the speedo and since my car had a logbook with it to document the mileage, I felt it necessary to upgrade to a speedo that had an extra digit. To do that I had to have the reset on the face. I also noted they removed 9 miles in the process. The face otherwise is pretty close to my original speedometer- see below:

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Posted by: Perry Kiehl Dec 21 2017, 08:24 PM

Nice gauges. My "typical" 6 conversion gauge set up is standard 911 temp/OP and a fuel gauge where you've got the OP gauge, but I really like that set up too.

Posted by: porschetub Dec 21 2017, 09:33 PM

Nice work,like the idea for the speedo,wow your car is coming on well after all the BS with panels and past damage.
Will you be looking to primer and paint in the early new year ?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 21 2017, 10:45 PM

I am letting Kent set the pace. I know he has my car at the top of the list and I am very fortunate for that.

Posted by: 914350 Dec 23 2017, 08:19 AM

I cut open the old fender that was removed from the car to show how they can rust out from the back side.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 23 2017, 08:32 AM

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Posted by: 914350 Dec 23 2017, 08:42 AM

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 23 2017, 09:59 AM

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Posted by: Perry Kiehl Dec 23 2017, 11:14 AM

Is that a spray on paint stripper?

Posted by: sixnotfour Dec 23 2017, 11:32 AM

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I cut open the old fender that was removed from the car to show how they can rust out from the back side.



East Coast rust free....

Posted by: JmuRiz Dec 23 2017, 11:41 AM

Pretty much, those west coast parts are nice. I’m lucky my car lived much of its live in TX then in garages after that

Posted by: 914350 Dec 23 2017, 01:35 PM

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Is that a spray on paint stripper?

Yes. I started using this a few years back and I'm very happy with it. It comes with a chemical resistant aspirator and it's thick enough to stay on vertical panels.


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Posted by: 914350 Dec 28 2017, 08:59 PM

All the points that connect to the nose panel were in bad shape because the nose has been cut off and replaced multiple times.


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Posted by: 914350 Dec 28 2017, 09:04 PM

Fitting panels.


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Posted by: 914350 Dec 28 2017, 09:08 PM

Rear fender.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 28 2017, 10:29 PM

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Posted by: Perry Kiehl Dec 28 2017, 10:52 PM

Very interested as to what you do to/for the NOS front fenders (in the area that was rusted out of the old ones) Kent. I'm replacing a fender too, so I'm doubly interested to see how/if you get the old factory red primer stripped in that blind area.

Posted by: 914350 Dec 29 2017, 04:05 PM

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Posted by: ValcoOscar Dec 29 2017, 04:34 PM

WOW Kent...you're fitting to almost aerospace tolerances!!!!

+/-.002 better than factory smilie_pokal.gif

Oh pretty good,

Oscar


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Fitting panels.


Posted by: 914350 Jan 1 2018, 02:22 PM

Below the headlight buckets prior to welding on the nose panel.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 1 2018, 04:00 PM

Oh wow! That is a step I have been dying to see. Happy New Year!!!!! smilie_pokal.gif
Cheers,
Michael

Posted by: 914350 Jan 3 2018, 06:20 PM

Progress pic.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 3 2018, 10:51 PM

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Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 6 2018, 04:39 PM

Like Neu

Posted by: 914350 Jan 9 2018, 04:01 PM

Rust prevention.


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Posted by: 914350 Jan 9 2018, 04:09 PM

More pics.


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Posted by: Tdskip Jan 9 2018, 04:35 PM

I like that Eastwood product too, easy to use and coats well.

A bit late to the party here but great thread.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 9 2018, 04:43 PM

Thanks and Tdskip your never to late. Thanks Kent. beerchug.gif

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 9 2018, 09:30 PM

I really like that Eastwood Product.

Posted by: Perry Kiehl Jan 9 2018, 10:00 PM

That answers my question! I was planning on doing the same thing to my current project.

Posted by: bretth Jan 9 2018, 10:19 PM

A quick note, I saw mentioned on the 'World once before that the Eastwood spray catches fire when welding on it. I was going to coat my longs with it but I guess I would have finish all the welding on them first. Sorry to thread jack.

Posted by: Tdskip Jan 9 2018, 10:25 PM

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A quick note, I saw mentioned on the 'World once before that the Eastwood spray catches fire when welding on it. I was going to coat my longs with it but I guess I would have finish all the welding on them first. Sorry to thread jack.


Yes, goes on last. Get everything done then spray it. It will get everywhere and run out of every opening so be ready for that and have ground cover under the car.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 9 2018, 10:37 PM

Seeing that product going on means we are getting close to welding some panels on. welder.gif popcorn[1].gif beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Jan 9 2018, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(bretth @ Jan 9 2018, 10:19 PM) *

A quick note, I saw mentioned on the 'World once before that the Eastwood spray catches fire when welding on it. I was going to coat my longs with it but I guess I would have finish all the welding on them first. Sorry to thread jack.


Yes, goes on last. Get everything done then spray it. It will get everywhere and run out of every opening so be ready for that and have ground cover under the car.

Hi guys thanks for the concern but it's not gong to catch fire. I will spray it again once it's welded on the car. All area's that will be welded will be completely cleaned to metal prior to welding. This was a good way to coat this area prior to welding the fender on the car, it allowed me to move the fender around and get the coating in to all the pinch welds. Yes I like this product too. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Tdskip Jan 10 2018, 06:32 AM

Hi Kent, just to be extra clear that was in no way intended to suggest you didn't know how to do use it!

I was just trying to confirm for the other member that you don't want this on a surface that you will be welding to. Near? Sure. On a surface to be welded, no because exactly as you wrote it needs to be clean metal.

Getting it into surfaces that will be hard to reach once installed is a smart move, and of course why you are doing it now.

Sorry if I was vague to a point where it read like I was trying to criticize or coach you, that is most certainly NOT the case.


Posted by: 914350 Jan 10 2018, 07:50 AM

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Hi Kent, just to be extra clear that was in no way intended to suggest you didn't know how to do use it!

I was just trying to confirm for the other member that you don't want this on a surface that you will be welding to. Near? Sure. On a surface to be welded, no because exactly as you wrote it needs to be clean metal.

Getting it into surfaces that will be hard to reach once installed is a smart move, and of course why you are doing it now.

Sorry if I was vague to a point where it read like I was trying to criticize or coach you, that is most certainly NOT the case.

Understood Tom, I was just clarifying why I treated those areas prior to install. Your right, the car will get sprayed in all areas prior to paint.

Hope you find a good 914 soon. Good to see that your doing your homework. PM me if I can help.

Posted by: bretth Jan 10 2018, 08:34 AM

Ditto I was not questioning the master craftmanship going on here. Just warning others.

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Ditto I was not questioning the master craftmanship going on here. Just warning others.


Hi Bretth, thanks I saw it that way. Good to share that. Keep the fire extinguishers close, things can go wrong. smile.gif

Posted by: 914350 Jan 13 2018, 02:43 PM

Headlight bucket brace.


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Posted by: siverson Jan 13 2018, 03:25 PM

What a disaster. It looks like the radius is kind of messed up in the middle there. It's going to look horrible once painted. I'd start over.

Posted by: Larmo63 Jan 13 2018, 03:29 PM

It looks kinda flimsy with all of those holes all over too.

I'd weld those all up for strength. KMA.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 13 2018, 04:11 PM

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I am awaiting a reply from Scotty to see if he has been able to locate my crossmember. I ended up getting one from a 4, not the 6 one. I didn't realize the difference until Jim spotted it. Apparently the 4's are more rounded and the 6's are more squared off. Hopefully Scotty was able to locate it.

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Headlight bucket brace.


Could someone take be to school here please? Do these usually tear?


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Headlight bucket brace.


Could someone take be to school here please? Do these usually tear?


Actually this bucket and brace were previously replaced with one off of a car from a later year. The later ones have this notch in them, someone else might know why. I have my thoughts but...
I welded it up so it appears correct.

Posted by: 914350 Jan 13 2018, 04:52 PM

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What a disaster. It looks like the radius is kind of messed up in the middle there. It's going to look horrible once painted. I'd start over.


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Posted by: Blue6 Jan 13 2018, 06:51 PM

Kent, don't start over. Just call me. I'll be there in about an hour and walk you through it. av-943.gif . See ya tomorrow at Bananawennie's

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 14 2018, 07:57 AM

You guys have fun today; I will be there next weekend. beerchug.gif

Posted by: worn Jan 14 2018, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(914350 @ Jan 13 2018, 02:43 PM) *

Headlight bucket brace.


Could someone take be to school here please? Do these usually tear?


Actually this bucket and brace were previously replaced with one off of a car from a later year. The later ones have this notch in them, someone else might know why. I have my thoughts but...
I welded it up so it appears correct.


It looks fantastic. Don't want to take away from the magic, but when I do these things and am lucky enough to have them look good on the top side, I worry about the underside. Did that come out smooth too? Not that it matters a lot, but it is a challenge for an amateur like me. Of course filler helps, and in that situation I think it justified. Looks like access is easier with the front off.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 14 2018, 12:58 PM

had it at one time 1st thread photo


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 14 2018, 03:38 PM

Is that a picture of my front end parts when it was first removed at Scotty's? If that is the case, that is the correct crossmember for a Six, right? I wish I had a pic of the two; 4 and 6 side by side.

(after comparing photos of a 4 and 6 cross member, one can clearly see the ends of my crossmember, removed from my car, are indeed squared off and correct for a 6.)

Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 14 2018, 03:48 PM

yes ,, your parts,, Scotty's pic 1 st thread, the end where the torsion bar adjusters are is squared off ,,4s are round on the end.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 14 2018, 03:50 PM

Great- I will send him that picture. We got a 4 cylinder crossmember when we picked up my car. I wish all the parts had been marked with my name or something. That would have saved a lot of grief.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 15 2018, 07:56 AM

OK, in case anyone wants to know the difference between a 4 cylinder car crossmember and a 6 cylinder car crossmember, here you go:

This is a picture of the stock 4 cylinder crossmember end:
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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 15 2018, 07:59 AM

In the above pictures you can clearly see the end of the 6 crossmember is kind of squared off while the 4 crossmember is round. Easy peasy to differentiate.

Here is a close up shot, (sorry it got blurry when I zoomed in on it) of the rack that came off my 6 - it is clearly a correct rack for my car:
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Posted by: mb911 Jan 15 2018, 08:03 AM

That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 15 2018, 08:06 AM

Hey Ben - Yeah, this was a new one for me too. By the way, Jim, (Banananose) is the one who knew this and caught this. I believe the Six crossmember may be the same as a 911 but I am not certain of that. beerchug.gif

Posted by: mb911 Jan 15 2018, 08:31 AM

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Hey Ben - Yeah, this was a new one for me too. By the way, Jim, (Banananose) is the one who knew this and caught this. I believe the Six crossmember me be the same as a 911 but I am not certain of that. beerchug.gif



That would make sense..

Posted by: Tdskip Jan 15 2018, 08:35 AM

Do you "need" a 911 cross member, or only if you want to stay as close as possible to a factory 914/6?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 15 2018, 09:22 AM

Hopefully Scotty still has my correct, original 6 crossmember sitting in his shop. I have sent him the pictures and a request to locate and ship it to me. I appreciate the offer. I want to keep my parts on my car whenever possible. Especially the Six specific parts. I don't know if one really "needs" a specific 914-6 or possibly 911 crossmember, but my car is a real Six so I am trying to keep those things correct. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Jan 15 2018, 09:37 AM

An alloy one might be another option.....?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 15 2018, 09:40 AM

Hi Larmo63 - Yeah, if my original is UTL, then I would try to source an alloy crossmember for sure. beer3.gif

Posted by: mepstein Jan 15 2018, 10:44 AM

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That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..

It looks the same as a 911 crossmember so maybe its just a 6 specific part number

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 15 2018, 12:39 PM

Wow! Now that is what I'm talking about. That front end looks very nice - like new really.

Thanks Kent for all of the hard work straightening this absolute mess out and for posting the pics for others to see what real craftsmanship looks like.

Pretty soon the fun stuff will begin. See you on Saturday -

Cheers,
Michael

Posted by: bbrock Jan 15 2018, 01:00 PM

I'm really starting to hate this thread. Just when I feel like I'm doing decent work on my own car, I come over here and realize what an amateur I am. drooley.gif Seriously though, it is really nice to watch this "no compromises" build progress under a true master.

Posted by: Tdskip Jan 15 2018, 01:31 PM

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It looks the same as a 911 crossmember so maybe its just a 6 specific part number


May well be, I know the 911 ones swap on to a wide range of cars, including first Gen cars (I put an SC alloy one on my '66 912 as a proof point).

Would be good to run down...

Great progress - exciting to see.

Posted by: 914350 Jan 15 2018, 03:02 PM

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I'm really starting to hate this thread. Just when I feel like I'm doing decent work on my own car, I come over here and realize what an amateur I am. drooley.gif Seriously though, it is really nice to watch this "no compromises" build progress under a true master.


Thanks Brent but I just checked out your thread and your really doing a lot of work on your car. Great rust prevention and your attacking all the bad areas. That will be a great car when your done and "you" did it. Keep up the great work. biggrin.gif

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Pics.

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Enjoy the pics. Mike. See you on Saturday. biggrin.gif.


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Posted by: bigkensteele Jan 15 2018, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 15 2018, 09:03 AM) *

That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..

It looks the same as a 911 crossmember so maybe its just a 6 specific part number

I thought that if you run a 911 cross member that you can't use the 914 pan/cover because the bolt holes don't line up, but I could be mistaken.

Posted by: worn Jan 15 2018, 03:14 PM

the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?

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the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?



Me too please I am about ready to do this my self..

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QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 15 2018, 08:44 AM) *

QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 15 2018, 09:03 AM) *

That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..

It looks the same as a 911 crossmember so maybe its just a 6 specific part number

I thought that if you run a 911 cross member that you can't use the 914 pan/cover because the bolt holes don't line up, but I could be mistaken.

I thought that referred to an aluminum crossmember but I don't have any first hand experience.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 15 2018, 04:38 PM

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Man that underseal flexible rubberized "stuff" looks so nice. I can't wait to touch it in person. biggrin.gif

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the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?



Me too please I am about ready to do this my self..


Catylised urethane tintable bed liner slightly under reduced and tinted with a beige toner and sprayed at a very low pressure through an undercoating gun.

Posted by: 914350 Jan 15 2018, 05:29 PM

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Posted by: mb911 Jan 15 2018, 05:36 PM

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the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?



Me too please I am about ready to do this my self..


Catylised urethane tintable bed liner slightly under reduced and tinted with a beige toner and sprayed at a very low pressure through an undercoating gun.



Very cool I need to find something like that around here..

Posted by: 914350 Jan 15 2018, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(914350 @ Jan 15 2018, 02:40 PM) *

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the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?



Me too please I am about ready to do this my self..


Catylised urethane tintable bed liner slightly under reduced and tinted with a beige toner and sprayed at a very low pressure through an undercoating gun.



Very cool I need to find something like that around here..


Any automotive paint supply store should have what you'll need.

Posted by: raynekat Jan 15 2018, 06:14 PM

Yeah, I'm printing all these seam sealing pics out and giving them to my paint guy this week.
They are great "go to's" for doing this kind of thing.

Catylised urethane tintable bed liner slightly under reduced and tinted with a beige toner and sprayed at a very low pressure through an undercoating gun.

He'll get these instructions as well.
Beats reinventing the wheel.

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That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..

It looks the same as a 911 crossmember so maybe its just a 6 specific part number

I thought that if you run a 911 cross member that you can't use the 914 pan/cover because the bolt holes don't line up, but I could be mistaken.


You can't. I used a real 911 underbelly protective "bash pan" which is a lot more stout than the wimpy 914 part, although it's also a lot heavier. chair.gif

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I spent a couple hours with my Lord Fusor seam sealer sprayer last week. I couldn't even get anything close to something that looked right. Can't get it messy enough.
Back to the drawing board .............. With a head start from Kent.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 15 2018, 09:58 PM

my Six would need a brush stoke around it ..no pebble spay...it
vary's,,,

Posted by: banananose914 Jan 15 2018, 10:32 PM

Hey Cairo! It appears your car is providing you with that long sought after "six" erection. And Kent, I told you not to do his car better than mine. You dicks!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 16 2018, 07:45 AM

As good as mine is coming along, just think about the next one Kent tackles. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 22 2018, 08:48 AM

So I went down to visit with Kent, and Jim and got to meet Dave (BlueSix) and Bob while down there looking at my Six. First off, the work Kent has done left me speechless - my car has jumped forward lightyears in progress. I feel for Kent as he has been undoing a lot of bad work, correcting the chassis and building from there. Everywhere we look we see things that were not right.

Soon enough Kent will be moving on to the body work phase as the metal work will be concluded. Again, the front end is now all straight, true, correct and beautiful. I was so excited looking at the car and talking with them all that I took no pictures. However I believe my brother Bob took some as did my friend Richard. Richard, who is a die hard VW guy was completely blown away by Kent's work and never did stop talking about it on the 6-hour ride home.

As soon as I get some photos I will post them to catch the thread up. I believe we will be returning to L.A. in March for the big swap meet. At least, that's the plan. Stay tuned.

Just a side note, these guys are just top-notch people. Dave, BlueSix, is a great guy. Another serious 914 owner who knows these cars inside-out too. Hope to see him the next time we go down to L.A.

Posted by: Tdskip Jan 22 2018, 09:10 AM

Forgive the newbie question but are those louvers original to a 914/6?

Help with front mounted oil cooler?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 22 2018, 09:38 AM

They are not. Scotty made that panel and pressed the louvers in and then cut out the original trunk floor and welded that panel in. It is a nice panel and we kept it. The oil cooler (Patrick Motor Sports unit) will mount vertically against the front nose and then be covered by an aluminum shroud to direct air coming through the front of the cooler out through those lovers under the car after passing through the cooler. Should keep the engine plenty cool.

Posted by: 914350 Jan 22 2018, 10:12 AM

Hi Mike, I really enjoyed the visit though I ate way to much but I guess that could be a good thing. biggrin.gif Thanks again for dinner 'twas excellent. It was great to see you brother and to meet Richard. I'll keep pluggin away and there will be more to see when you come down in March.

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Not sure you can tell, but that is my extremely happy face. The rear tail light did not fit into the rear quarter panel when I got my car back. The panel was over 1/4" out of alignment. That may not seem like a lot, but believe me it is. As you can now see with the new/old "Green Hornet" quarter panel (thanks Dave (Blue Six) and Kent) the taillight now fits perfectly. The pictures of the quarter panel replacement should give you an idea of the level of detail Kent goes to to make sure the car is perfectly straight and tight, thus earning him forever a position on the Justice League.

I don't know if there is truly such a thing as a "rust free 914" but this Six is going to be as close to that as will exist in this century. Kent's work should not really be described as work- it is true craftsmanship. I know that because I have seen it with my own eyeballs. Pictures are nice, but they still can't really tell the whole story.

My friend Richard summed it up by saying, when looking at Jim's 914-6, "I was never able to go to a Porsche dealership in 1970 to see a brand new 914-6 in the showroom, but now I know what that would have been like".

I can't wait for my next trip to L.A.
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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 22 2018, 02:01 PM

And, here is the windshield wiper assembly for my Six. It was checked out by master electrician Bob (he has a perfect Boxster Spyder) and refinished by Jim- no further introduction needed.

Here is mine in the foreground with a 4 wiper assembly behind it. Aside from the visible distinctions, a 6 has a three-speed wipers and park. A 4 has two-speed wipers and park.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 22 2018, 03:05 PM

Just heard from Scotty - He found my original crossmember and is shipping it and the little fuzzies that go on the headlight mechanism. beerchug.gif
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Posted by: timothy_nd28 Jan 22 2018, 03:26 PM

Is this what the door gap should look like with the shell unloaded with weight? If so, I'll set mine the same way when welding my stiffening kits in.
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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 22 2018, 04:26 PM

I do not believe that is a finish gap as Kent has not begun finish body work yet. That is probably pretty close though. Kent may jump in here with a comment.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 22 2018, 06:30 PM

so all those Q-tips standing around a grey 914-6,,,My guess is gloss Grey,,,,
fantastic work ...

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 22 2018, 09:55 PM

Q-tip is generally OK with me. I just prefer not to be a Q-ball. But I am sure that too will come. beerchug.gif As for color, Audi has a color, Nardo Grey, that my wife and I absolutely love....just saying. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Tdskip Jan 23 2018, 09:21 AM

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They are not. Scotty made that panel and pressed the louvers in and then cut out the original trunk floor and welded that panel in. It is a nice panel and we kept it. The oil cooler (Patrick Motor Sports unit) will mount vertically against the front nose and then be covered by an aluminum shroud to direct air coming through the front of the cooler out through those lovers under the car after passing through the cooler. Should keep the engine plenty cool.


Thanks

Posted by: Luke M Jan 23 2018, 10:54 AM

Looking good there guys.. Another question for you Kent.
What do you plan on doing for the right rear corner above the tail light?
Where the large piece of seam sealer went.
Filling it back up or ?

Keep up the great work.

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Looking good there guys.. Another question for you Kent.
What do you plan on doing for the right rear corner above the tail light?
Where the large piece of seam sealer went.
Filling it back up or ?

Keep up the great work.


I won't put the foam and seam sealer back in like factory, that does a better job of keeping moisture in then it does keeping it out. I spray sealer back in that area then brush in seam sealer then urethane undercoating and paint. At least the foam isn't there to hold moisture against the metal.

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That gap actually appears tighter in that pic then it does in person. I don't know if it's because the door was slightly open or just the lighting. There are many things that can effect the gap even when you get into assembly so it's hard to say. I've heard 6mm is what the gap should be but that's nearly a 1/4" and that's a large looking gap on these cars. I go for 5mm but again there are Many things to consider and there's no quick explanation. Make sure your "F, H and G" measurements are correct otherwise with the rubber installed it can push the door gap and make it tight. Oh and yes measure measure measure on these builds and stress is normal it helps make sure you do it right. biggrin.gif

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 23 2018, 04:14 PM

Great work on that driver's quarter panel. That damage appeared to be an old dent. Also very happy to see the space-saver arrived so the proper mounting and support can be fabbed up.

And that is not my actual wheel. Harvey (Weidman) told me mounting a space-saver tire on an early deep-six wheel is a real pain in the butt. Then you have to cut the space-saver in half to remove it from the rim. So he sent the space-saver mounted to a late deep six as the tire comes off easier. The dimensions are the exact same as it relates to everything else so when my wheel arrives with the space-saver it will fit perfectly. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 25 2018, 04:46 PM

After I returned from L.A. I got a call from Jim as he was going through my parts. He identified some of the recently plated parts we apparently did not get when I picked up my car. Fortunately, we had a picture Scotty posted in Part 1 of my thread, (page 36, post 708) that showed all of the plated parts. We were able to identify the 6-specific parts we were missing. I circled them and identified them by name and scanned and emailed Scott those pictures.

Additionally, unfortunately, the rear bumper Scott had swapped me for my good condition chrome bumper is so badly pitted the chrome shop said they would not attempt to chrome it. To be fair, I knew my original chrome bumper would be re-chromed regardless. I asked Scott to weld up and metal finish the tow hook hole on it. Scott explained he had a painted bumper in good shape that would be easier to weld and then have plated. I agreed, having not seen that bumper. He welded up the hole and metal finished it. I cannot use it due to the pitting. So I have asked Scotty to return my original chrome bumper.

I hope to hear from Scott soon that he has located my missing parts and is shipping them to me.

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Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 3 2018, 03:32 PM

Whole Again...color ????????????????????

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 3 2018, 03:42 PM

I know.... I see some front fenders....but I do not believe they are completely welded on yet. But thank God and Kent the rear of the car is squared away and I believe the metal work is done back there. Pretty soon now all metal work will be finished and then comes body work biggrin.gif .

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 3 2018, 04:05 PM

I font know looks good.....


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 3 2018, 04:51 PM

I can't really express how relieved I am that my Six is getting straightened out and will soon be ready for some color. beerchug.gif

Posted by: raynekat Feb 3 2018, 04:58 PM

It's looking really good. Congrats....must be relief on many levels.

Posted by: ConeDodger Feb 3 2018, 05:11 PM

I’m told by John at EASY that the 944 Turbo (and I’d imagine the S2 since they’re the same chassis) have the lightest spare wheel in 5 lug. And it’s alloy so you could polish it. Probably sell that deep six Fuchs wheel and pay off the rest of your project the way early Fuchs prices have been going! blink.gif

What??? Your’re thinking of painting a real six chassis in a non-original color? There’s a rule against that somewhere! evilgrin.gif

Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 3 2018, 06:02 PM

That's not a deep six.....but I agree about the color.... if you must change it, do stay with a color from that year.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 3 2018, 07:27 PM

Looking really good Michael. Huge difference from the east coast massacre.

Posted by: burton73 Feb 3 2018, 08:41 PM

I have the same spare set up for 41 reg15 Fuchs because of the look. Next, everyone dogs you on the color of your 6. I went with Cannery Yellow because that is what it came with but now I am sorry I did not go for metallic light blue. My favorite color. You have made some changes to your car that may take away from it’s total max value but what the hell. Enjoy it all the time. Life is too short.

Bob B
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Posted by: Dion Feb 3 2018, 10:11 PM

Car is coming together nicely Mike. Congrats. Looking good.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 3 2018, 10:20 PM

Thanks everyone. That rim is not my rim; it is just a test fit wheel. The finished deep six will go in the trunk- wheel face out.

I got over the whole color thing years ago - I mean, heck it was in VA for 5 years and 1 month. That gave me lots of time to consider color. So- that is a done deal.

My BP has gone down a lot since my car has been in Kent's shop. My car has only been there 5 months total and look at all of the work Kent has accomplished. I am very pleased with the results.

Cheers - beerchug.gif

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 4 2018, 04:28 AM

QUOTE
Life is too short.

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Posted by: Tdskip Feb 4 2018, 08:57 AM

Sorry if I missed it but are you you adding any additional stiffening bracing to the tub?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 4 2018, 09:03 AM

Tdskip - the only bracing that was added was the bracing kit in the interior of the tub. Look in my Part 1 thread for that. Kent has to clean it up still and correct a couple installation issues from the VA shop, but that is all the bracing my car needs.

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Posted by: mepstein Feb 5 2018, 03:40 PM

WTF? That piece only belongs there if Michael was going to install late ‘75-76 bumpers.

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 5 2018, 04:36 PM

OK - Mark figured it out. For the added protection while driving in the crazy state of CA, we decided to add the BUB's to the car......

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OK - Mark figured it out. For the added protection while driving in the crazy state of CA, we decided to add the BUB's to the car......

Front dating the early 911’s was popular in the 80’s. headbang.gif

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OK - Mark figured it out. For the added protection while driving in the crazy state of CA, we decided to add the BUB's to the car......


...Plus they look good on gold cars. poke.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 5 2018, 07:13 PM

And there's that.....

Posted by: KELTY360 Feb 5 2018, 08:22 PM

Is it April 1st already? screwy.gif

Posted by: Blue6 Feb 5 2018, 09:57 PM

Michael,
If you are going to use the late black bumpers (BUB's), I think silver would look good. You can also leave it in primer if you can't find a good painter. Hell, it's been in primer for 6 yrs....

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 6 2018, 07:40 AM

True enough. Actually, it was in primer, then allowed to rust.... then it came to Kent's and it has been all good since then. I was actually considering silver for a minute but as straight as this car is now, it would look bitchin in black. After all, it was black when I bought it.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 6 2018, 07:55 AM

Black is awesome.. You have my vote..

Posted by: championgt1 Feb 6 2018, 09:04 AM

Gold biggrin.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Feb 6 2018, 09:24 AM

Keeping it gold with updated BUBs would be a great look.

Super idea!

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Posted by: 914350 Feb 7 2018, 09:29 PM

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Posted by: mepstein Feb 8 2018, 06:34 AM

looks factory

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 8 2018, 07:51 AM

Kent's skills on display yet again. beerchug.gif

Posted by: mb911 Feb 8 2018, 08:53 AM

Looks great..

Kind of funny how quickly we were all watching the rebuilding of a basket case to now the fine details of chassis work within 4 or 5 months.. Amazing progress and I do need to remind myself that this is being done in a shop to put timelines in perspective on my build..


Posted by: JmuRiz Feb 8 2018, 08:59 AM

Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!! Are the screws just to hold it before it's welded in?

I'm trying to run a rear cooler on mine, but if I need to go front...that spare mount and a front cooler shroud would be awesome!!!

Posted by: Luke M Feb 8 2018, 10:15 AM

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Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!!


I agree and would buy two of them right now..

Posted by: 914350 Feb 8 2018, 02:00 PM

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Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!! Are the screws just to hold it before it's welded in?

I'm trying to run a rear cooler on mine, but if I need to go front...that spare mount and a front cooler shroud would be awesome!!!


Yeah, the screws are the to hold it in place for welding.

Posted by: 914350 Feb 8 2018, 02:05 PM

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Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!!


I agree and would buy two of them right now..
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Wish I had the time. sad.gif

Posted by: mb911 Feb 8 2018, 02:46 PM

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Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!!


I agree and would buy two of them right now..
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Wish I had the time. sad.gif
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Send me your patterns and I will make a bunch..

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Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!!


I agree and would buy two of them right now..
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Wish I had the time. sad.gif
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Send me your patterns and I will make a bunch..
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Well...let me see what I can do first. I can talk to a couple of places that I used to work with.

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If that doesn't work out, I have a plasma table and brake and could make them, too...

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 8 2018, 09:11 PM

Wow--that looks beautiful. beerchug.gif

Posted by: raynekat Feb 8 2018, 10:33 PM

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Wow--that looks beautiful. beerchug.gif


Yep, this baby''s getting too pretty to even finish and paint. Just clear coat everything and leave as is. ... tongue.gif

Seriously looking good. Nice job.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 9 2018, 07:45 AM

Cut me a break.... slap.gif for the previous 5 years and 1 month my Six was essentially disassembled and scattered to the 4 corners of a shop across the country where I was only able to see it once in person. The work that was done, well you have all seen a little glimpse of that, so enough said.

Now Kent is working on it and we all can see the incredible results. It's like I just got the car. I am very excited (obviously) with the work and progress. piratenanner.gif

Posted by: Lucky9146 Feb 9 2018, 10:07 AM

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Cut me a break.... slap.gif for the previous 5 years and 1 month my Six was essentially disassembled and scattered to the 4 corners of a shop across the country where I was only able to see it once in person. The work that was done, well you have all seen a little glimpse of that, so enough said.

Now Kent is working on it and we all can see the incredible results. It's like I just got the car. I am very excited (obviously) with the work and progress. piratenanner.gif


Agree, truly great work and progress you should be excited! Fascinating detail! Always waiting for the next pictures.
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Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 9 2018, 04:45 PM

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Posted by: mb911 Feb 9 2018, 04:58 PM

Love seeing the updates. I have been using the pictures of repairs as a basis for my fab class lesson plans at school.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 9 2018, 06:02 PM

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Love seeing the updates. I have been using the pictures of repairs as a basis for my fab class lesson plans at school.

I think your students need some hands on experience. Let me know where to drop off my car.

Posted by: 914350 Feb 9 2018, 08:26 PM

Thanks guys for all the great comments. I can't wait till the car is done and Mike gets to enjoy it.
Mike, all is going well and I'm digging into the trunk at this point. The arms I ordered for my spot welder came in and the fenders will be going on soon. biggrin.gif


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 9 2018, 09:41 PM

Terrific. Looking forward to seeing how those long arms weld. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Feb 9 2018, 10:30 PM

That spare tire hold down bracket is just what the doctor ordered.

Great job as usual, Kent!!!!

Posted by: Tdskip Feb 10 2018, 09:10 AM

You know you have turned a serious corner (for the better) when there are pictures of well done accessories to the core build in the pictures.

Exciting progress.

Posted by: worn Feb 10 2018, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Feb 8 2018, 06:59 AM) *

Wow, you could make a batch of those spare tire mounts and sell all of them in a couple hours!!! Are the screws just to hold it before it's welded in?

I'm trying to run a rear cooler on mine, but if I need to go front...that spare mount and a front cooler shroud would be awesome!!!


Yeah, the screws are the to hold it in place for welding.


I was surprised to see exactly the same screws I use. Kinda basking in reflected glory.

Nice mount. Mine is all honeycomb and not so good..

Posted by: 914350 Feb 20 2018, 03:00 PM

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That spare tire hold down bracket is just what the doctor ordered.

Great job as usual, Kent!!!!


Thanks Larmo, appreciate it.

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 20 2018, 08:29 PM

Sweet. Thanks for posting the updates. I will be there on March 3rd. biggrin.gif beerchug.gif

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Sweet. Thanks for posting the updates. I will be there on March 3rd. biggrin.gif beerchug.gif


Sounds great, looking forward to your visit.

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Sweet. Thanks for posting the updates. I will be there on March 3rd. biggrin.gif beerchug.gif


Michael, you and your brother need to bring down lots of $$$$$. You'll like the Phoenix Club swap....

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 20 2018, 09:58 PM

Yeah....uhhhh..... I own a Six - so I am broke - almost..... slap.gif

But damn, is it just me? Or do those pictures look terrific?

Posted by: altitude411 Feb 20 2018, 10:45 PM

shades.gif Uh... yeah, those photo's (all) look fantastic. From one broke six owner to another. Beautiful work Kent. So happy for you Cairo.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 21 2018, 07:45 AM

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Posted by: Luke M Feb 21 2018, 09:13 AM

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Yeah....uhhhh..... I own a Six - so I am broke - almost..... slap.gif

But damn, is it just me? Or do those pictures look terrific?



Looking good there guys.. lol ... broke , yeah you can say that.
Just try to find and buy NOS parts for these 6's. $$$$

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 21 2018, 09:27 AM

Amen brother.

Posted by: defianty Feb 21 2018, 10:08 AM

Again, beautiful work. Despite being a total amateur this is the level of skill I try to replicate. Why aim lower?!

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 21 2018, 09:24 PM

Those gaps are crazy. beerchug.gif popcorn[1].gif

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Posted by: siverson Feb 26 2018, 07:32 PM

Very nice!

-Steve

Posted by: worn Feb 26 2018, 07:33 PM

Do you know how jealous I am? Tried so hard to get the sealer right, with Wurth discontinuing things right and left. Makes it look easy.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 26 2018, 07:54 PM

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popcorn[1].gif beerchug.gif I can't wait to see it. Thanks Kent. pray.gif


Your very welcome. I'm holding off on listing pics of the front fenders till you see it this Sat. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 26 2018, 09:48 PM

The suspense is killin' me. My Six has really undergone a major evolution in the last 6 months. I believe it is now one of the straightest, cleanest tubs around - and getting better every day. I can only imagine what it will look like once it has color on it. beerchug.gif

Posted by: mepstein Feb 26 2018, 10:07 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Feb 26 2018, 10:48 PM) *

The suspense is killin' me. My Six has really undergone a major evolution in the last 6 months. I believe it is now one of the straightest, cleanest tubs around - and getting better every day. I can only imagine what it will look like once it has color on it. beerchug.gif

Amazing is a word that comes to mind. I'm happy for you! Can't wait to see the finished product.

Posted by: Tdskip Feb 27 2018, 07:36 AM

Exciting

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Do you know how jealous I am? Tried so hard to get the sealer right, with Wurth discontinuing things right and left. Makes it look easy.


...I wish that was working out for you. If you want to try my method and have any questions, just PM me.

Posted by: David Billo Feb 27 2018, 01:16 PM

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Pics.

What is the external finish I'm seeing in a lot of these pics? Is it primer and block sanded?

Posted by: 914350 Feb 27 2018, 02:17 PM

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Pics.

What is the external finish I'm seeing in a lot of these pics? Is it primer and block sanded?


It's primer with a guide coat sprayed on.

Posted by: gcrotvik Feb 27 2018, 02:40 PM

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More.


Hi Kent,

Absolutely gorgeous car and work. I noticed there are no holes in the rear trunk for the early bolt on heat shield. Does this car have the later heat shield?

Greg

Posted by: 914350 Feb 27 2018, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(914350 @ Feb 26 2018, 05:24 PM) *

More.


Hi Kent,

Absolutely gorgeous car and work. I noticed there are no holes in the rear trunk for the early bolt on heat shield. Does this car have the later heat shield?

Greg


Hi Greg, this car has the bolt in heat shield but the rear trunk floor was replaced so I will be drilling the holes once I get the car back on the rotisserie. I have a patern I made from another car that will help me get the holes in the correct locations.

Posted by: 914350 Feb 27 2018, 03:16 PM

...This one is in surprisingly great condition.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 27 2018, 06:35 PM

That may be the first and only time I have heard those words associated with my Six. av-943.gif

Posted by: Blue6 Feb 27 2018, 09:32 PM

Michael,
Not just your car. Kent hasn’t been able to mutter those words with the cars that preceded yours. We’ll see if he can repeat that statement when he tears into his own 6... biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 27 2018, 10:16 PM

Dave-
Yeah, my car was marginally better, maybe, than Kent's when it arrived. Hope to see you this weekend. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914350 Feb 28 2018, 12:39 PM

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Michael,
Not just your car. Kent hasn’t been able to mutter those words with the cars that preceded yours. We’ll see if he can repeat that statement when he tears into his own 6... biggrin.gif


I think one of my valve stem caps is in great condition...so I got that going for me.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 28 2018, 12:57 PM

That's a definite start. beerchug.gif

Posted by: peteyd Mar 1 2018, 07:02 AM

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QUOTE(914350 @ Feb 26 2018, 05:24 PM) *

More.


Hi Kent,

Absolutely gorgeous car and work. I noticed there are no holes in the rear trunk for the early bolt on heat shield. Does this car have the later heat shield?

Greg


Hi Greg, this car has the bolt in heat shield but the rear trunk floor was replaced so I will be drilling the holes once I get the car back on the rotisserie. I have a patern I made from another car that will help me get the holes in the correct locations.


I have to do this too. Im interested to know what the correct bolts are.

Pete

Posted by: gcrotvik Mar 1 2018, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(914350 @ Feb 26 2018, 05:24 PM) *

More.


Hi Kent,

Absolutely gorgeous car and work. I noticed there are no holes in the rear trunk for the early bolt on heat shield. Does this car have the later heat shield?

Greg


Hi Greg, this car has the bolt in heat shield but the rear trunk floor was replaced so I will be drilling the holes once I get the car back on the rotisserie. I have a patern I made from another car that will help me get the holes in the correct locations.


I have to do this too. Im interested to know what the correct bolts are.

Pete


Here you go. The speed clip measures 20 x 16 MM.


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Posted by: 76-914 Mar 1 2018, 08:58 AM

OK, I have to ask. I've watched this project grow from a flicker of light at the end of the tunnel to it's present state of excellencemanship. I made that up. biggrin.gif What is the estimated date of completion? confused24.gif 2018? beerchug.gif

Posted by: 76-914 Mar 1 2018, 08:58 AM

duplicate

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 1 2018, 09:37 AM

I wish I could shed light on that.... (see what I did there?) Kent is working very quickly and my Six is getting close to bodywork and color. I am not rushing him-he sets the pace and it well exceeds what I could have ever hoped for. I can't get back the 5 lost years as the car sat back east, but Kent is really working hard.

However, we then have to assemble my car. I have no idea how long that will take. I am hoping to get it home and driving in the Spring of 2019. But that is just a WAG on my part. The good news is we have most everything we need to assemble my car already as I have been accumulating parts all along.

We just got another box of my parts from Scotty. My original crossmember, rear bumper, tow hook, spare tire key (bolt), and a few other small parts. Glad to see that stuff arrive- thanks Scotty.

The next task I want to get started is getting the engine sorted. Remember I am putting an '87 3.2 in my car. Though it was rebuilt, it was never started. I am hoping to get it to a shop Jim has used for both of his engines to have them finish the assembly, bench fire, break-in and dyno it so when it goes into the car it is turn-key with no issues. Before we do that though all of the Motronic injection components need attention to make them look like new. I am hoping on this weekends trip to talk about that process and get that moving.

That is as much as I can forecast for now. beerchug.gif

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Lol... biggrin.gif

Posted by: 914350 Mar 4 2018, 10:49 PM

Got the front fenders welded on.


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Posted by: bulitt Mar 5 2018, 06:12 AM

Wow! smilie_pokal.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 5 2018, 07:43 AM

This is a situation where my car looks great in the photos and even way better in person. Kent's work is absolutely amazing. Those who saw my car when I brought it to Kent know what I am talking about.

My brother told me on the ride home from L.A. yesterday as we were talking about how far my Six has come in the 6 months Kent has had it, that when we picked it up back east and loaded it into the truck, he was so shocked at the condition of the car and the "quality" of the work, he was afraid to say anything. Yeah, those days are well behind us and we can't wait for our next trip, hopefully the first part of May, to see the progress then.

Here I am after seeing the progress:

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Some more pics:

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Posted by: mepstein Mar 5 2018, 08:34 AM

Michael - I’m very happy for you. I’m sorry you had to go through so much turmoil to get here. My metal guy took a quick look at my car last week and said there’s a lot of work to do / re-do. It’s still in storage so once we pull it out, I’ll get a better handle on things.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 5 2018, 08:39 AM

Thanks Mark. I hope your car was done to a much higher standard, and I use that term loosely in this context, than mine was after all those years. I also look forward to seeing photos of your car as you received it.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 9 2018, 06:50 PM

In honor of my last trip to Kent's to see my car, I have now changed the title of this thread from "Getting it Straight" (the car was an absolute mess and nothing was straight) to "It's a Car Again". According to Kent, and I agree after seeing my Six, It is a car again. Thank goodness for miracles and Kent.

I forgot to mention while at Jim's we discovered I did not get my stub axles back when I picked up my car. They are 6-specific parts and are generally in the $500-$600 range to replace. I sent Scotty an email, including a picture of the difference between 4/6 stub axles, and he told me he would find and ship mine ASAP. I will keep my fingers crossed he has them sitting around and I get them back soon. Fortunately, all of the Six specific parts we did not get when I picked up my car, Scotty found in his shop. beerchug.gif

Posted by: worn Mar 9 2018, 07:06 PM

QUOTE(914350 @ Feb 28 2018, 10:39 AM) *

QUOTE(Blue6 @ Feb 27 2018, 07:32 PM) *

Michael,
Not just your car. Kent hasn’t been able to mutter those words with the cars that preceded yours. We’ll see if he can repeat that statement when he tears into his own 6... biggrin.gif


I think one of my valve stem caps is in great condition...so I got that going for me.

Which is good.

Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 9 2018, 08:53 PM

That is the cleanest shop ever. Pride in work place, pride in work. first.gif

Posted by: raynekat Mar 9 2018, 09:08 PM

Looks super.
Happy to see you survived "the journey" as well.
Well done.

Posted by: Valy Mar 10 2018, 01:52 AM

I can't wait to see that body in gold.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 10 2018, 08:00 AM

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Posted by: 914350 Mar 19 2018, 02:58 PM

Working the cowl.


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Cleaning and rebonding the under webbing structure to the hood skin.


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Posted by: bbrock Mar 19 2018, 03:25 PM

Amazing work as always. I need to do some similar work on my hood. What are you using for bonding agent? The green is liquid masking, I assume?

Edit: I see now that it is just masking tape. Looked too clean!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 19 2018, 04:24 PM

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Posted by: 914350 Mar 19 2018, 07:48 PM

QUOTE(bbrock @ Mar 19 2018, 02:25 PM) *

Amazing work as always. I need to do some similar work on my hood. What are you using for bonding agent? The green is liquid masking, I assume?

Edit: I see now that it is just masking tape. Looked too clean!


It's urethane. Bonds great and still flexible.

Posted by: 914forme Mar 19 2018, 08:11 PM

QUOTE(914350 @ Mar 19 2018, 09:48 PM) *

QUOTE(bbrock @ Mar 19 2018, 02:25 PM) *

Amazing work as always. I need to do some similar work on my hood. What are you using for bonding agent? The green is liquid masking, I assume?

Edit: I see now that it is just masking tape. Looked too clean!


It's urethane. Bonds great and still flexible.


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Posted by: r_towle Mar 19 2018, 10:05 PM

You ever going to get to drive her?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 19 2018, 10:06 PM

I sure hope so........Kent is working hard to make up for 5 years of wasted time and....while the car sat back east.

Posted by: 914350 Mar 21 2018, 11:01 AM

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Posted by: tygaboy Mar 21 2018, 11:17 AM

Beyond the level of quality of Kent's work and how beautiful Michael's car is/will be is this, at least for me:

For in-progress builds, a blasted chassis looks so much better than one that isn't. Ask me how I know!

Back to this build:

Just wow. smilie_pokal.gif

Michael - I'm sorta local to you and I demand a ride, once this beauty is back on the road. I'll even ride in it if it's gold. poke.gif


Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 21 2018, 01:05 PM

Yeah, not a problem. Your north of me by about 1.5 hours. I am extremely pleased with Kent's work. beerchug.gif

Posted by: burton73 Mar 21 2018, 02:20 PM

Your car is looking great. Done right!

Thinking of this song:

George Harrison released a cover version of the song as a single, and released it on his album Cloud Nine

I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you,
But it's gonna take money,
A whole lotta spending money,
It's gonne take plenty of money,
To do it right, child,
It's gonna take time,
A whole lot of precious time,
It's gonna take patience and time, mmm
To do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it
To do it right, child


Bob B





Posted by: 914350 Mar 21 2018, 04:29 PM

QUOTE(burton73 @ Mar 21 2018, 01:20 PM) *

Your car is looking great. Done right!

Thinking of this song:

George Harrison released a cover version of the song as a single, and released it on his album Cloud Nine

I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you,
But it's gonna take money,
A whole lotta spending money,
It's gonne take plenty of money,
To do it right, child,
It's gonna take time,
A whole lot of precious time,
It's gonna take patience and time, mmm
To do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it
To do it right, child


Bob B


Lol...that's great. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 21 2018, 08:24 PM

Thanks. Yeah.... a whole lotta money. hissyfit.gif

Posted by: 914350 Mar 24 2018, 01:20 PM

Progress.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 24 2018, 03:00 PM

Very sad that these had been stripped and finished back east and they were already rusting under the material used at that time. Thank God Kent suggested we strip them and make sure they are correct before paint. They had multiple layers of build-up and Kent found areas where the material applied did not have good adhesion on both trunks lids. He believes they would have definitely lifted and created issues once color was applied. Pretty disappointing that everything I paid good money for had to be redone. blink.gif

Posted by: raynekat Mar 24 2018, 03:10 PM

I had a lot of the same on my build. My painter had to basically strip down the entire exterior of the car. Had rust under the primer, some primer would scrape off with your thumb nail....WTH. Big waste of time and money. Things can definitely go wrong in a big way if people don't know they are doing. Glad you're finally on the right path. I'm getting there, but it's breaking the bank. ;p

Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 24 2018, 03:15 PM

At least you have a glimpse of the finish line now. Endevour to persever.

Posted by: mepstein Mar 24 2018, 03:16 PM

Really shouldn’t have happened to either of you. Since the cars were stripped down to bare metal, it’s not brain surgery how to prep and prime.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 24 2018, 03:18 PM

Thanks. Yeah, that's what keeps me going. Also, I am not a quitter. I love my car and want it done right and in my garage.

Posted by: Larmo63 Mar 24 2018, 03:22 PM

A gold car will need an especially pristine body!

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 24 2018, 03:23 PM

Mark - I know you had the same issues I had with your car in the same shop..... so I know you feel my pain brother.

It's like getting kicked in the balls every time we find more stuff that was done haphazardly, incorrectly and just sloppily. I paid good money and that is what I got. When you hold yourself out to be an expert, there is no excuse.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 24 2018, 03:24 PM

Exactly, that is what Kent is working towards- and frankly, has already attained. Lawrence, sorry we did not get to meet at the Swap meet. I did see your car though. Nice- beerchug.gif

Posted by: cal914 Mar 24 2018, 03:38 PM

Does the previous guy (Scotty B) still have a car restoration it seems ,reading this thread and the original one that he wasn’t any good at all

Posted by: mepstein Mar 24 2018, 04:10 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Mar 24 2018, 05:23 PM) *

Mark - I know you had the same issues I had with your car in the same shop..... so I know you feel my pain brother.

It's like getting kicked in the balls every time we find more stuff that was done haphazardly, incorrectly and just sloppily. I paid good money and that is what I got. When you hold yourself out to be an expert, there is no excuse.

Yes, It was a long, expensive six years. When I brought my car to our shop, they couldn't believe it was worked on by another shop. When my guy showed me what still had to be done. I basically shelved the project for a while. It's been in storage for 2 years. I still have a long road ahead.

Posted by: mb911 Mar 24 2018, 04:18 PM

The primer issues is really strange.. I am not an expert but been around body shops my whole life ( my uncle runs a 1 man band since I was little) and have painted (bare metal) 6 cars myself. The epoxy prime is pretty straight foraward..

The one thing I will note is I never had any of the cars blasted but rather da'd. Prior to spraying primer

Kent any insight?

Posted by: tomeric914 Mar 24 2018, 05:40 PM

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The epoxy prime is pretty straight foraward..

I learned from working in a body shop 30 years ago that you never trust what someone else has laid down as "primer" if you are going to do the final paint work. God and the person who sprayed it are the only two people to know what they did.

Nobody knows what they used to clean the surface either, which is what probably messed up the paint. I would guess that they used paint thinner instead of prep-sol. confused24.gif

Posted by: mb911 Mar 24 2018, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(mb911 @ Mar 24 2018, 05:18 PM) *

The epoxy prime is pretty straight foraward..

I learned from working in a body shop 30 years ago that you never trust what someone else has laid down as "primer" if you are going to do the final paint work. God and the person who sprayed it are the only two people to know what they did.

Nobody knows what they used to clean the surface either, which is what probably messed up the paint. I would guess that they used paint thinner instead of prep-sol. confused24.gif



Good point..

Posted by: JmuRiz Mar 24 2018, 09:09 PM

QUOTE(cal914 @ Mar 24 2018, 01:38 PM) *

Does the previous guy (Scotty B) still have a car restoration it seems ,reading this thread and the original one that he wasn’t any good at all

He still has a shop and his shop worker isn’t there anymore. I had my car done when it was just Scotty, it was a quick job and it looks great to me. I also have longhood and 356 friends that have concourse winning cars done by him. The issues have come up whenever he tried to find a good helper for his one man operation or when he was laid up with a nasty illness a few years back.

Posted by: mepstein Mar 24 2018, 09:24 PM

QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Mar 24 2018, 11:09 PM) *

QUOTE(cal914 @ Mar 24 2018, 01:38 PM) *

Does the previous guy (Scotty B) still have a car restoration it seems ,reading this thread and the original one that he wasn’t any good at all

He still has a shop and his shop worker isn’t there anymore. I had my car done when it was just Scotty, it was a quick job and it looks great to me. I also have longhood and 356 friends that have concourse winning cars done by him. The issues have come up whenever he tried to find a good helper for his one man operation or when he was laid up with a nasty illness a few years back.

I guess if we go with the assumption that Scotty stood by, taking pictures and writing first person commentary on Michael's restoration over a five year period while his assistant mangled every bit of work to the car. OK, that works.

Actually, Scott did tell me multiple times to my face that he was the only one working on Michael's and my car. He said his assistant was learning but just did smaller jobs, paint removal and prep, ect. Even if it was the assistant doing the work, Scott lives in a room above his shop. Surely in the 5 years Michael's car was there, he must have peeked at the work.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 24 2018, 09:28 PM

JmuRiz - I sent you a PM.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 25 2018, 06:22 AM

Mark is right. But everyone already knows that. I was absolutely assured from day one he would be the only one to ever work on my car. We now know that was not the case - apparently.

This was a very, very expensive lesson for me. I trusted someone who came highly recommended by several senior members of this forum. I conducted my due diligence and was still taken advantage of in the end. After 61 months I pulled my car from his shop. I blame no one but myself.

I was fortunate to pull my car out when I did. That Jim, Kent and Andy had followed my thread and reached out to me was just the luckiest day ever. We have all seen the work Kent and Jim have done. Kent has turned my car into an absolutely laser straight beauty which sets the bar for any restoration, IMHO. Jim is getting all of my parts ready for assembly. His skill, knowledge and attention to detail is amazing. Everything is bagged and properly stored once ready for install. This is the level of work I expected when the word "restoration" was used. Thank you again Kent and Jim. beerchug.gif

Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 25 2018, 07:31 AM

Disclosure is a GOOD thing. That an 'apprentice' might have been doing the work would have had my blood boiling.

Posted by: jmitro Mar 25 2018, 08:40 AM

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but can you guys put the bashing and negativity to rest? I really enjoy seeing your car going back together so well, but the side story that has been stated over and over and over again is really detracting from the beauty of the work being done. I don't know the parties involved and frankly don't care.

Glad to see it looking so good now. beerchug.gif

what is the patchy color on the body? a guide coat for block sanding?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 25 2018, 09:06 AM

jmitro - Sorry. I have been pretty careful about "bashing" the former shop. I am sorry if occasionally a little, and I mean a very little, bleeds out. If that bothers you, and I understand that, feel free to skip past that stuff and just enjoy the pictures. However, I would feel somewhat responsible if anyone else to fall prey to that situation, there or elsewhere.

As to the comments of others, some who may know more than they let on, I can not control that. As for people who have seen my car at Kent's shop, they know the condition of the car first hand, seeing it with their own eyes. Pictures are nice, but in person reveals the truth.

I do appreciate your comments re the quality of the work my car is now enjoying. beerchug.gif

Posted by: 76-914 Mar 25 2018, 09:19 AM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Mar 25 2018, 08:06 AM) *

jmitro - Sorry. I have been pretty careful about "bashing" the former shop. I am sorry if occasionally a little, and I mean a very little, bleeds out. If that bothers you, and I understand that, feel free to skip past that stuff and just enjoy the pictures. However, I would feel somewhat responsible if anyone else to fall prey to that situation, there or elsewhere.

As to the comments of others, some who may know more than they let on, I can not control that. As for people who have seen my car at Kent's shop, they know the condition of the car first hand, seeing it with their own eyes. Pictures are nice, but in person reveals the truth.

I do appreciate your comments re the quality of the work my car is now enjoying. beerchug.gif

Complain all you want, Cairo. I believe you've paid for that right, in full. Most people would consider this a Public Service Announcement. Carry on. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 25 2018, 11:44 AM

Thanks.

Posted by: jmitro Mar 25 2018, 02:24 PM

it should be a concours contender after this. I only wish I had that kind of skill
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Posted by: mb911 Mar 25 2018, 02:54 PM

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it should be a concours contender after this. I only wish I had that kind of skill
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Me too.. It is all about experience and the correct mentors. I imagine that Kent was shown the tricks of the trade but another craftsman that passed along all these great skills.


Posted by: Blue6 Mar 25 2018, 06:27 PM

QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Mar 24 2018, 08:09 PM) *

QUOTE(cal914 @ Mar 24 2018, 01:38 PM) *

Does the previous guy (Scotty B) still have a car restoration it seems ,reading this thread and the original one that he wasn’t any good at all

He still has a shop and his shop worker isn’t there anymore. I had my car done when it was just Scotty, it was a quick job and it looks great to me. I also have longhood and 356 friends that have concourse winning cars done by him. The issues have come up whenever he tried to find a good helper for his one man operation or when he was laid up with a nasty illness a few years back.


I heard the sun got in his eyes also... bs.gif

Posted by: Larmo63 Mar 25 2018, 07:11 PM

"Complain all you want, Cairo. I believe you've paid for that right, in full. Most people would consider this a Public Service Announcement. Carry on. beer3.gif"

I couldn't agree more, Kent.

Posted by: Peashooter Mar 26 2018, 08:39 AM

Having restored a six from a bare tub a few years back, I've been watching this thread from the start. Kudos to you for staying with the reconstruction of your car! I know how hard it can be to keep going when the the only solid thing you have is a vision in your mind of what you want the end result to be. I'm happy that you finally found someone(Kent) that sees the same goal. I can't imagine how much $ you will have invested in this project, but I'm sure you will love the end result!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 26 2018, 09:15 AM

Thanks a lot. Yeah, it is a bag full for sure. However the money that goes to Kent is actually a pleasure.

Posted by: 914350 Mar 28 2018, 09:18 PM

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 29 2018, 06:22 AM

Glad Kent did that. Knowing what he found under the material on the hood headbang.gif , we would have experienced problems with the paint failing shortly after the car was completed otherwise.

Posted by: 914350 Apr 2 2018, 02:44 PM

Hood and deck lid are worked and primered.


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Posted by: tygaboy Apr 2 2018, 03:06 PM

Kent is IN THE HOOD!
...and the trunk, too, apparently!

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What a lucky car that is...

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 2 2018, 03:11 PM

I agree - my Six finally hit the jackpot. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 2 2018, 05:47 PM

Here is a quick picture of all of the sheet metal Kent removed and/or replaced on my car to get it to the point it is now. The final count was both front fenders, passenger side (rear) quarter panel, nose, plus a lot of other small stuff.

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Posted by: bbrock Apr 2 2018, 07:41 PM

Even Kent's scrap pile is neat and tidy! That's a lot of metal, but it could have been worse. Ask me how I know. wacko.gif

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Even Kent's scrap pile is neat and tidy! That's a lot of metal, but it could have been worse. Ask me how I know. wacko.gif



To be fair bbrock you and I didn't remove much "metal" it was more rust. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 5 2018, 01:43 PM

Just to make sure everything is good with the motor that was rebuilt by a great guy, longtime Pelican, it few years ago, I think 2014, it is going to a shop near Jim for them to check it all out and complete the build and bench fire the engine. I want to be sure that when it goes into my car, it stays in the car. No leaks, etc.

I am going to ask them to look over the induction/injection and clean up the intake by removing any bosses we will not need for my application. It is an '87 3.2 motor with 964 cams, a Steve Wong custom chip and of course I have Ben's full exhaust system. I want all of the brackets re-plated and all hoses replaced, etc. Then your normal engine stuff, cap, wires, plugs, etc. I want it set up so when we pick it up we just install it and turn the key - no fuss, no muss.

We are taking the transaxle and related clutch, flywheel stuff with the motor too. I have to remember to take the full exhaust too as they requested that for firing it up too. That way it will all be mated together and we will know we have no issues at assembly.

Kind of an exciting part of this project. When I next go down to L.A. I will meet with the engine shop on May 11th to go over everything. This shop comes with a solid recommendation from Jim. That is the only endorsement I need.

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Posted by: billh1963 Apr 5 2018, 02:08 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Apr 5 2018, 03:43 PM) *

Just to make sure everything is good with the motor that was rebuilt by a great guy, longtime Pelican, it few years ago, I think 2014, it is going to a shop near Jim for them to check it all out and complete the build and bench fire the engine. I want to be sure that when it goes into my car, it stays in the car. No leaks, etc.



Bruce rebuilt three 911 engines for me....he does good work!

Hopefully, none of the seals have dried out after sitting for so long.

Posted by: mepstein Apr 5 2018, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Apr 5 2018, 03:43 PM) *

Just to make sure everything is good with the motor that was rebuilt by a great guy, longtime Pelican, it few years ago, I think 2014, it is going to a shop near Jim for them to check it all out and complete the build and bench fire the engine. I want to be sure that when it goes into my car, it stays in the car. No leaks, etc.



Bruce rebuilt three 911 engines for me....he does good work!

Hopefully, none of the seals have dried out after sitting for so long.

agree.gif he’s a friend of mine and a really nice guy.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 5 2018, 02:31 PM

The shop in VA promised me the engine would be turned over by hand every month...... what are the chances he did that? Based upon everything else, I am less than optimistic.

Posted by: mepstein Apr 5 2018, 03:13 PM

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The shop in VA promised me the engine would be turned over by hand every month...... what are the chances he did that? Based upon everything else, I am less than optimistic.

When mine was there, it sat in the corner collecting dirt for two years.

Posted by: mb911 Apr 5 2018, 03:47 PM

I hope for the best on all of that. I am finishing up the muffler brackets this coming week. Also let me know if any issues arise.. Its seems with multiple applications everyone runs some iteration og someone elses setup and that causes differences in clearence for the exhaust.. Also made another wall hanger. Gonna send you this one until I perfect the others.Attached Image

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 5 2018, 04:12 PM

Mark - Exactly what I have come to expect. Ben - I really appreciate that.

Posted by: 914350 Apr 8 2018, 08:15 PM

NOS battery tray. Blasted hood hinges.


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Posted by: 914350 Apr 8 2018, 08:16 PM

More pics.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 9 2018, 08:41 AM

Thanks for the pics Kent. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Blue6 Apr 9 2018, 09:11 AM

Kent,
Quit posting nudes of that poor car. How about putting some “gold” clothing on her. biggrin.gif

Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 9 2018, 09:32 AM

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Posted by: Tdskip Apr 9 2018, 10:06 AM

Dealing with items like hood hinges is a very good sign.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 9 2018, 03:15 PM

Right?

Posted by: 914350 Apr 11 2018, 06:45 PM

At some point someone welded in a long stiffening kit and welded over the seatbelt hole on the passenger side. I located it and drilled a hole then flushed the metal so that the belt can float/rotate as it should.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 11 2018, 08:52 PM

Thanks for correcting that work -

Posted by: 914350 Apr 13 2018, 05:27 PM

Working on cleaning up some of the holes that were previously cut in the long for the oil lines and to add some strength back to this area.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 13 2018, 06:26 PM

Kent that looks like it is going to be perfect. Thanks. beerchug.gif

Posted by: mepstein Apr 13 2018, 06:38 PM

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Worthing on cleaning up some of the holes that were previously cut in the long for the oil lines and to add some strength back to this area.

Looks great. I think Scott Amerson would call the opening an attack from an angry beaver.

Posted by: Mueller Apr 13 2018, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(914350 @ Apr 13 2018, 07:27 PM) *

Worthing on cleaning up some of the holes that were previously cut in the long for the oil lines and to add some strength back to this area.

Looks great. I think Scott Amerson would call the opening an attack from an angry beaver.



Not even my car and that cut angered me!

Nice cover plate.


Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 13 2018, 09:23 PM

Yeah, and I paid for that....

Posted by: Larmo63 Apr 13 2018, 10:01 PM

We will all know that the hole WAS there though............ sawzall-smiley.gif

Posted by: 914350 Apr 18 2018, 04:53 PM

Pics.


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Posted by: tygaboy Apr 19 2018, 08:08 AM

All the way down to the last detail...

Kent, I'm changing the name of your shop to "Relentless Restorations"

The attention to the smallest detail is beyond impressive.

Posted by: 914350 Apr 19 2018, 10:05 AM

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All the way down to the last detail...

Kent, I'm changing the name of your shop to "Relentless Restorations"

The attention to the smallest detail is beyond impressive.


Hahaha...I like that. Thanks man.

Posted by: 914350 Apr 20 2018, 09:05 PM

Pics.


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Posted by: 914350 Apr 20 2018, 09:07 PM

More pics


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Posted by: 914350 Apr 20 2018, 09:14 PM

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Posted by: 914350 Apr 20 2018, 09:32 PM

A lot of work went into the hinge mount. Stripped off all the plating, tapped out the body of the hinge (round) removing the waves left from the stamping process and plannished the foot on each side to make a flat solid foot and rounded the foot slightly like the originals. I brazed in the bung and lapped the mating surface. A great piece to start with for sure but just dialed it in.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 21 2018, 06:55 AM

Next World level work. Most times when I look into an engine bay and see the trunk hinges I cringe as the welds holding the hinge mount look so bad. I know this will look very nice- the hinge mount looks beautiful. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Luke M Apr 21 2018, 07:48 AM

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Posted by: 914350 Apr 21 2018, 11:06 AM

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 21 2018, 04:05 PM

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Posted by: 914350 Apr 23 2018, 07:48 PM

Progress.


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Posted by: bbrock Apr 23 2018, 07:50 PM

Oh this is going to really make me mad. I've done this same repair and I know I'm about to be shamed. smile.gif popcorn[1].gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 23 2018, 08:23 PM

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Posted by: Mueller Apr 23 2018, 09:17 PM

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Oh this is going to really make me mad. I've done this same repair and I know I'm about to be shamed. smile.gif popcorn[1].gif



^this is why when I start to do body work on my car my camera will be tucked away in a cup of frozen water in the freezer to prevent me from taking a quick picture and embarrassing myself.

Posted by: mb911 Apr 24 2018, 04:53 AM

Gt oil line passage way.. Looking good

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