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Posted by: timothy_nd28 Aug 18 2017, 07:24 PM
What is this F-log adapter? Where can you buy them or what parts are used for a work around? Thanks in advance
Posted by: Mueller Aug 18 2017, 07:42 PM
What is this F-log adapter? Where can you buy them or what parts are used for a work around? Thanks in advance
Water pump on the cool side only? hmmmm, seems like it would last longer with less heat.
Posted by: Andyrew Aug 18 2017, 08:23 PM
What is this F-log adapter? Where can you buy them or what parts are used for a work around? Thanks in advance
Water pump on the cool side only? hmmmm, seems like it would last longer with less heat.
Thats why they say to run the water pump on the cool side. Thats what I did.
On topic it looks like the f log adapter just converts the two block outputs to a single line to run to the radiator.
Posted by: Mueller Aug 18 2017, 08:31 PM
What is this F-log adapter? Where can you buy them or what parts are used for a work around? Thanks in advance
Water pump on the cool side only? hmmmm, seems like it would last longer with less heat.
Thats why they say to run the water pump on the cool side. Thats what I did.
On topic it looks like the f log adapter just converts the two block outputs to a single line to run to the radiator.
Similar to this guys stuff?
http://toy-jet.com/Index119.html
I'm going to make something similar for mine.
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Aug 18 2017, 09:21 PM
In hindsight, I should of bought this toyjet adapter:
But instead, I got this overpriced Renegade Hybrids cooling kit:
The return is easy because the electric water pump has two inlet ports, so each pipe has a place to go. However, the supply coolant is slightly different. I guess I'll find some coolant Y pipe to merge both coolant hoses together, which raises another question all together. Shouldn't the coolant hoses be matched in size (length) so that water flow doesn't favor one circuit vs the other? The toyjet adapter solves this problem, really wish I bought that instead. 
Renegade also sucks for not giving you any instructions. I received a box of parts which took many hours to figure out what is what.
On a side note, does anyone happen to know what alternator to use with the Renegade Hybrid alternator relocation kit?
Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Aug 19 2017, 06:20 AM
I used all AN fittings and hoses on my water inlet and outlets. I was able to connect the outlets with Peterson Y AN16 fitting. This allowed me to mount my engine about 2 inchs closer to the firewall than the way Renegade does it. This gives a better angle on the axles with the boxster transaxle. All fittings and hoses were bought at a Nascar race shop and were less than the list price of the Y fitting alone.
Y fitting
Hoses
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Aug 19 2017, 11:43 AM
Thank you sir, I'll do exactly what you did
Posted by: Mueller Aug 19 2017, 12:01 PM
Is that Y fitting where the arrow is point or not shown in picture. Spendy at $150 each!
Posted by: billium01 Aug 24 2017, 10:08 AM
Renegade is making a one piece water manifold like toyjet. I've got one, its a really nice piece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3RpKx8FaPY
Posted by: tygaboy Aug 24 2017, 11:09 AM
In hindsight, I should of bought this toyjet adapter:
But instead, I got this overpriced Renegade Hybrids cooling kit:
The return is easy because the electric water pump has two inlet ports, so each pipe has a place to go. However, the supply coolant is slightly different. I guess I'll find some coolant Y pipe to merge both coolant hoses together, which raises another question all together. Shouldn't the coolant hoses be matched in size (length) so that water flow doesn't favor one circuit vs the other? The toyjet adapter solves this problem, really wish I bought that instead.
Renegade also sucks for not giving you any instructions. I received a box of parts which took many hours to figure out what is what.
On a side note, does anyone happen to know what alternator to use with the Renegade Hybrid alternator relocation kit?
Tim - I have that new Renegade water block that's essentially like the ToyJet adaptor. I may not need it. PM me if you'd maybe be interested.
As to the alternator, I had to replace the Renegade alternator adaptor that I got with the kit with "the black one" (no part #, just the name!). I have an LS 3 so I'm not sure about anything but that engine. On the specific alternator, I needed one from 1998 - 2002 Camaro.
Hope this helps.
Chris
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Aug 24 2017, 12:24 PM
Hi Chris. I really appreciate the offer but I think you will need to use this adapter for your setup, only if your adapter happens to look like the toyjet.
In the picture above is a similar setup to what I have. Renegade sold me their complete cooling kit, perhaps I got the early version adapters and they later switched to the toyjet lookalike version?
The issue: trying to get my LS4 mounted as far forward as possible, while keeping the stock rear firewall untouched. When I tried this, the hose fittings on the coolant adapter hits the rear firewall. Moreover, so does the drivers side valve cover metal boss that receives a bolt from the ignition coil. But wow, when I had it mocked up this way, the CV geometry was looking awesome! Sadly, I had to flip Renegade's engine bar 180, and push the engine back and provide some clearance. With it flipped, my engine is too far back now. I'm contemplating modifying Renegade's engine bar so I can find a happy medium.
I think your LS3 is mounted pretty forward, which is good, but I think you will need to use the low profile toyjet style coolant adapter, so that it won't rub on the firewall.
Thanks for the info on the alternator. My LS4 alternator is radially mounted which won't work.
Posted by: andys Aug 24 2017, 02:59 PM
What transaxle are you using?
On my LS1, I'm running the stock (LS2) water pump. I did bump the firewall out 1 1/8", though I was able to retain the stock backpad. My axles line up. See my build:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=204625&hl=ls1%20retrospective%20build%20thread
Andys
Posted by: tygaboy Aug 24 2017, 03:22 PM
Tim - I actually have both Renegade water block set ups. And with my drive train moved forward 1.5", the ToyJet style model still clears my firewall. That said, I'm working on mods to my firewall that will let me run the water lines straight off the front of the engine.
Again, I'll have to see what I end up with as I explore that in more detail. I'll be posting pics as I get to it. Hopefully soon.
RE: your engine mount, take a look at how I modified mine by aligning the boss with the cross bar. But I also have the whole custom lower firewall so I can't speak to if that would work with an unmodified chassis...
Ain't it all just the funnest?!?
Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Aug 24 2017, 03:32 PM
The LS1 corvette damper is .75 " shorter than the 4th gen F Body and the Truck one is about 2"longer. The new LS3 crate engines are the same spacing as the Truck damper.
I used a corvette damper and got a SFI approved one.
I think if I was doing it again I would go the way Andy did his and use the stock water pump.
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Aug 24 2017, 04:37 PM
The LS4 has the shortest length of all the LS's. I was trying to be slick by installing this LS4 as it is (fully dressed)
Look at the entry/exit coolant hose location, it would of been perfect! However, it's been nothing but a fight. I was left with 2 options, undressing the engine to bare block and using Renegade's cooling solution or modify the firewall to accept the LS4 as it is, but faced with a near future consequence of figuring out a custom interior. So, I waved the white flag in defeat and ordered Renegade's cooling kit. 
I'll go through your guys build threads, love learning what other people have done. The LS4 sounded good in theory, Renegade Hybrids gave me a tongue lashing to not use it and not to use my wrong year boxster S 6 speed transmission (too new), So I was and currently am out to prove them wrong.
My son will be driving in a few years. It was my thought to have a secret switch hidden somewhere that would utilize a feature on the LS4 by turning off 4 of the 8 cylinders (DOD).
Chris, I think I will modify the engine bar by putting some DOM pipe right thru the rectangle cross bar tubing, pretty sure that would split the difference. Renegade gave me some plates that have oblong holes, which should give me some fine adjustment. Also, the engine bar from Renegade has some diagonal support bars, which is kinda in the way of my future air conditioner compressor. Even the smaller Saden compressor is too deep, and will interfere with that diagonal support bar.
I'll call you later tonight about your quad gauge. FWIW, I'm doing a getty dash just because I'll need data points from all 5 gauges.
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