So....
It's 0315 this morning and I'm working on the EFI install on the 912E..
We had a huge rash of bad thunderstorms roll through the area and I'm just waiting to see the lightning start popping to the ground since the radio had warned of serious cloud to ground lightning... But being the hard head I am and since I wanted to finish the FI install to get the 912 back on the road I kept splicing wires..
So... I am at the back of the 912 semi bent over hooking up the fast idle solenoid when out of the blue I hear a sharp pop, then a crack, then another pop and louder crack followed by a flash of bright white light and a numb feeling.... The first thing that crossed my mind was to jump into the engine bay of the car and get off the concrete floor and thats exactly what I did! Immediately following this I looked through the vents in the decklid toward the front of the car which was facing toward the back of the shop where the bay door was open and I saw a flash that appeared to come from under the car and go straight out the back door, but I never saw it hit anything..
So I just sat there in the engine bay for a while and then I sat down inside the car to gather my thoughts a bit then I went back to work thinking that I barely missed a big jolt.... Worked for about another hour and then crashed, but I felt fine.
Fastforward to this morning..
I wake up and I fell like I have had my ass beat by Schwarznegger or Mike Tyson...
As soon as I get out of the bed I know something is not right because it even took effort to open my eyes all the way, and then every muscle and joint in my body feels like it needs some serious lubrication or something.
So has anyone else ever had this happen to them before or anything close? I know I definately did not receive even one millionth of the juice that went out the back door of the shop but I don't understand why I didn't feel a literal shock, not even something like getting zapped by a plug wire..
I probably should go to the Dr. but I'm a hard headed SOB and don't want to go wait in line and smell the Dr's office. I doubt there is anything they could do anyway??? Right??
Weird thing is that we get zapped by lightning on top of this granite hill all the time, I normally lose computers ever summer and TVs as well but it doesn't seemed to have killed anything in the shop this time. I definaltely need to have the balancer recalibrated though, because it sounded like it bounced off the base of it the loudest since its 7,000 pounds of steel filled with concrete..
Its not fun for damn sure!
Heck I can't even think straight now, typing this took serious concentration!
OUCH!!!!
Jake,
A similar thing happened to my Mom (no car involved)....
Quit being hard headed and get a checkup.
NOW SOLDIER! On the double!
Ken
go to the hospital now!
this is not a joke. you have been electrocuted and need to be checked out by e.m.s
I work out in the field in all weather and we are trained in what happens whan you get struck by lightening. you have injuries and need to be treated.
GET TO MEDICAL HELP NOW
messix,
Thanks... I'll see how I feel in a bit then make a decision.. I do feel better than I did this morning.
Looks like I would have felt some kind of shock if I was electrocuted- wouldn't I?
I'm thinking that I leapt into the engine bay so fast I may have ran into a few things on the way in..
QUOTE (Jake Raby @ May 20 2005, 11:31 AM) |
So has anyone else ever had this happen to them before or anything close? |
Andy, thats exactly what happened- I never did hear it.. Just the pop and crack of it bouncing around in the shop..
How long did yours last? a few days?
It can lead to things that show up later.
Get checked!
Ken
same thing happened to me.....take it easy for a while...your pain will eventually go away. I know this guy at western that actually had his hair turned white by lighting....i was dumb enough to ground myself to the jeep when lightening hit me. I got the blue spark a foot long jump outta my finger when lightening hit. Electrons travel at light speed, but sound only travels 700ft/sec or something lik ethat...thats whty you dont know it happened. It was a year ago and wierd things have happened to me. Actually i can't hardly sleep for more than 5 hours every day since then......
Just consider it a "free from Mother Nature" shock treatment, which we all know you needed anyway
Maybe I won't be quite so much of an asshole anymore then!!!! Nah, it would have taken the entire bolt of lightning to stop that!
QUOTE (Jake Raby @ May 20 2005, 11:59 AM) |
Andy, thats exactly what happened- I never did hear it.. Just the pop and crack of it bouncing around in the shop.. How long did yours last? a few days? |
go get checked out !
i'm not trying to be an asshole here but this is very serious!
these other people might have been lucky, or have just survived the injuries they recieved. you could have things that you cant feel that are affected. get to the doctor or e-room now.
It might have been balled lighting. It travels horizontally across the ground. It can come thru open doors. We had a case where a girl at a picnic was hit. In a coma for months. Go get checked out.
i agree to look for burn marks... also looks like small puncture wounds, they dont bleed. look on your scalp and hands any fresh wounds [lowest resistence] any place that was sweaty.
still get checked out
I was racing at Moroso in Palm Beach about 15 years ago. The rain started and I was walking under an umbrella when out of the corner of my eye I see a bolt of lightning about a quarter mile away. Instantly sparks are flying off my fingers on the hand holding the umbrella. Never heard the thunder. I had a slight headache for about a day and a half (didn't stop me from racing) and I've had numbness in my fingers ever since. The fingers still work, but I can't play the guitar anymore.
I've never used an umbrella since. I'd rather get soaked than socked. Tampa is the lightning capital of the Western Hemisphere with tens of thousands of lightning strikes every day during the summer. I'm alot more careful around storms now.
T.C.
wow dude! I'm glad you're ok!
drink a few beers and walk it off but I think a trip to the DR is in order too!
I agree with messix, go get checked.
Ya might consider putting up a Lighting Rod outside in your field somehere Better to atract it to that then to your shop.
EMS is my job and my advice is to go get checked out you could have internal injuries that might not show up till real permanent damage is done. go see your doc...
Jake
we're going to dog you on this until you go get checked out.
Jake,
Bill Walton (Basketball Analyst) was hit by Lightning while covering an AVP BVolleyball tournament. He said "it was cool" and you may know how goofy he has been since.
G o get checked out.
-Brent
Your muscles operate on electrical impulses as dictated by your brain. An electric jolt of that size would as Andy said, cause your muscles to constrict. Its quite possible that it could cause you to pull/strain/tear muscles that way, even break bones.
If I recall, thunder is caused by the rapid expansion of air around a lightning bolt due to the heat genereted by the energy of the bolt. I wonder what the radius around a bolt of lightning is where you won't hear the thunder?
You really oughta get checked out though.
Ever see the movie Powder...? hahaha
Jake, the number of people telling you to get it checked out, out number the ones that say that you don't need to, there could be issues later that might have not become issues had you taken care of it now. Don't take a chance, don't be stubborn. The Type 4 world is counting on you .
Seriously, get it checked out
i had wished i went to the doctor...i just let it go and now i have all sorts of back pain, etc....that didnt occur before the strike. please, if you don't go for yourself....go for your brother's and sister's on this site...do it for your friends.
Okay..
Called my buddy down at the EMT station and he gets a break in an hour and says he'll hook me up to the dyno and see what I have got....
Maybe he has some sort of an addrennalin shot to pick my ass back up so I can finish this damn EFI install!
If I jumped into the engine compartment of a 912 and was able to close the lid and look out of the vents I'm sure I would feel like crap the next day as well.
QUOTE (Pnambic @ May 20 2005, 12:56 PM) |
If I recall, thunder is caused by the rapid expansion of air around a lightning bolt due to the heat genereted by the energy of the bolt. |
human dyno? woah.....
Lid stayed open!! If I could have closed it I would have!
The only thing that has ever scared me that bad was when I crewed helicopters in the Marines and had a dual engine failure!
Hey Jake
what would you tell a guy who over reved and had low oil pressure and had some "funny noises" coming from one of your engines? awh keep running it, it might get better?
chances are your fine with no major injuries. but you have to at least get a look at whats in" your oil filter"and check for "bent valves".
Good point- Never thought about it that way!
I'd say tear it down! But I'm going to be pissed if they say I want to be torn down.
good. looks like you've got the point.
the med. industry has better ways to look inside us than to tear us down for a look see.
isnt the genral's wife a doc..... any input from her?
sorry i ment capt.tripps
God want's more horsepower...
Quick test: Jake,....
1. How many toothpicks in a box?
2. How long til People's Court?
3. What's the square root of .0191951919?
If you can't answer any of these questions off the top of your head, you are 'ok'.
Olney Il. as a 10 year old kid, I was running up the midway, and rain was falling in bucket sized drops, that is when the ground turned to a sheet of blue-white sparkles, and my body turned into a cramp.
M
QUOTE (redshift @ May 20 2005, 04:12 PM) |
Olney Il. as a 10 year old kid, I was running up the midway, and rain was falling in bucket sized drops, that is when the ground turned to a sheet of blue-white sparkles, and my body turned into a cramp. M |
No, I blame me on the time I fell out of the bed after surgery, onto my head.. damned hospital..
M
The best two reasons I have read to go see the Dr.
Hey Jake
what would you tell a guy who over reved and had low oil pressure and had some "funny noises" coming from one of your engines? awh keep running it, it might get better?
chances are your fine with no major injuries. but you have to at least get a look at whats in" your oil filter"and check for "bent valves".
And
QUOTE (redshift @ May 20 2005, 04:12 PM)
Olney Il. as a 10 year old kid, I was running up the midway, and rain was falling in bucket sized drops, that is when the ground turned to a sheet of blue-white sparkles, and my body turned into a cramp.
M
that explains so much it's not funny...
Jake go to the Dr. quick, before a goat starts looking at you seductively and you end up like Miles!
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As stated before you could have damage that isn't showing up right now. The electrical charge could have torn your mussels in your heart or in your head causing a slow bleed. Vision blurry? Head ache? Aches and pains?
Get yourself to the hospital. Famous last words are "it will get better" or " I'll go if it feels worse"
Last two guys I met that said those to their familys didn't wake up the next day.
If there is nothing wrong (when the Dr. says so) you can tell us "I told you I was ok"
QUOTE (redshift @ May 20 2005, 02:16 PM) |
No, I blame me ... |
Maybe Jake will have magic powers now.... and just by touching the block, the whole thing is treated with an unexplained sub-atomic process!
Black Flag actually sounds ok in Mp3..
M
QUOTE (redshift @ May 20 2005, 04:33 PM) |
Black Flag actually sounds ok in Mp3.. M |
Jake,
I just talked with our corporate Dr. regarding your little escapade and he told me that about all that could be done if you walked in would be a general exam for entry/exit wounds and/or skin discoloration, respiratory and cardiac issues and possibly a blood test for CPK levels to detect any potential muscle damage. Based on what you have been saying, I myself (AND THIS IN NO WAY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS MEDICAL ADVICE) would probably shake it off unless symptoms persist.
QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ May 20 2005, 05:44 PM) |
what would it lose sound quality? |
QUOTE (redshift @ May 20 2005, 04:42 PM) | ||
Mp3 sucks! The highend I am lucky enough to still hear sounds like poopys. M |
Okay, went down to the EMT station.. They hooked me up to some things that look like my data logger and printed out something that appreared to be one totally screwed up dyno graph! Nothing on this baby was flat and I never sawTq and HP cross at 5,252 RPM!! LOL
Anyway my buddy said I'm okay, but to relax and see if the situation changes...
So, that means I came home, gulped down a couple of Tylenol for the head ache grabbed a Peanut butter sandwich, mountain dew and went back to work on the 912...
I am feeling a bit better now but still kind of dazed and confused.. When I did payroll earlier I gave my paycheck to Brent- He thought he had a huge pay cut!
Damn this is not something I want to do again.
You just need to get plenty of electrolytes.
At least you won't need cables for a jump-start.
M
QUOTE (messix @ May 20 2005, 03:36 PM) |
Hey Jake what would you tell a guy who over reved and had low oil pressure and had some "funny noises" coming from one of your engines? awh keep running it, it might get better? |
Yep, if it blows it gives us another opportunity to make it better!
glad to here your ticker still going good.
the thing about electrocution is, that it cooks you from the inside along the path that the current travels. from entry to exit. and can cause bad damage with nerves and blood vessals.
i didn't want to scare you earlyier with this info.... if your like me i might not have gone. i dont like doctors or hospitals.
QUOTE (bd1308 @ May 20 2005, 05:47 PM) | ||||
i HATE mp3....it doesnt do good unless you encode at 320......and NOBODY encodes that high. |
QUOTE (Rick_Eberle @ May 20 2005, 02:00 PM) |
God want's more horsepower... |
QUOTE |
Damn this is not something I want to do again. |
LMAO Brett!
M
You were fortunate it sought ground through something other than you. About ten years ago a woman jogger in the Seattle area was hit directly and killed instantly. Blew/incinerated her clothes off. Doctors said she probably never knew what happened. Get a lightning rod or something to keep it away from you, if there is such an item. Glad you weren't seriously injured.
So a couple of years ago i went ove to the Museum of Science in Boston. They had this thing up on the wall that looked like a fuzzy glass tube. It was about 11/2" to 3" around and several feet long. It was a sand "tube" that had been made by a lighting strike on a beach. The sand had been fused like glass along the lighting path.
So if you hld colored dye packs in one hand a aluminium parts in the other can you anodize them?
Glad your ok!
My best,
Mike D.
QUOTE (RAR @ May 20 2005, 06:48 PM) |
You were fortunate it sought ground through something other than you. |
I have had two close calls with lighting. One in AZ while I was driving. All my hair stood on end and a big flash happended just outside my car. Other than feeling wierd no real physical symptoms.
The other was a 150 foot redwood tree in my backyard that was hit by lightning. It blew the tree in two! The tree is about 75 feet tall now and growing back.
I have a real respect for the power of nature. Glad youre ok!
OHHHHHHH FUCH!
Sir Antagonist and Miles have found common ground... run for your lives before it reaches CRITICAL MASS! You thought Jake got a jolt... wait till this thing blows.
Had lightning strike a tree behind the garage at my house a few years ago. We were able to trace its path down the tree trunk, out of a root that was sticking out of the ground and into the garage. It was apparently attracted to an electric outlet on that wall where it burned up a radio that was plugged in there. It then travelled thru the power line into the house where it fried the microwave and the TV. My wife was laying on the couch and said she saw the lightning come out of the switch that controls the garage,go over her and out the window. She had a headache for a couple of days after that. I think her eyes might have been burned like the flash from welding to cause the headache. Pretty scary but we made a good profit with the insurance paying for the damages.
QUOTE (Headrage @ May 20 2005, 06:50 PM) | ||
The engine bay of a 912 with tires on it is actually a pretty good insulator. Tires + road - Good insulator |
QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ May 21 2005, 12:14 AM) |
OHHHHHHH FUCH! Sir Antagonist and Miles have found common ground... run for your lives before it reaches CRITICAL MASS! You thought Jake got a jolt... wait till this thing blows. |
Glad you are ok, Jake. That high voltage stuff is not to be fooled with. I have had two speprate encounters.
I was working as an apprentace (sp) painter one summer, it was my job to shovel the slag out of watertanks after they had been sandblasted. SO I am in there shoveling away, and my hair keeps standing up on end then followed by a REALLY lound BONG! Now inside of watertanks are echo chambers so this is REALLLLLLLY LOUD. I decided to leave, but when I go to climb out, the other painters are coming in! They said the other tanks (I think there were three together) were all getting lit up and we just had to wait it out! ACK!
Number two, my wife (then girlfriend) were in the University District of Seattle one Tuesday night and it was a full on torrent of rain and thunder. We were crossing the street under the electrict trolly lines when the rain stopped and the line above us exploded in a blue flash! No burns, but man that was sumptin!
Hope you feel better!
Damn Jake Mother Nature is taking gunnery practice on you. You probably got an ECG to measure the electrical activity of the heart muscle. Muscles and nerves run on potasium and sodium. Lock for stuff that will help you replace those. Sport drinks, fruits and vegetables. Get some rest. Maybe your filings are a lightening rod .
Dave
Jake,
Thanks for going to the Medic.
Keep on the lookout for follow on symtoms and go to the eye doctor if vision problems occur in the next few weeks.
As to the hair color change, not sure. I always remember my mom with silver hair. I know she was hit as a teenager and her black hair started turning when she was 18. She was all silver in her 20's.
As per my previous military instructions, it's what my dad would have said to me to get my training to kick in...
Ken
I crashed early last night and woke up feeling much better today... Not nearly as sore.
Time to go jump in the teener and take a drive (crawling in around the cage might be fun since I'm still a bit sore)
Black Flag used to play in an ex-catholic church across the street from my apartment in Hermosa Beach.....this was the late 70s early 80s.....it was still a funky beach town where a one bedroom apartment was 150 a month and you were 1.5 blocks from the sand.
Now HB is a condo hell with rents to the moon....
BF and Rollins put on some shows....cops showing up and busting heads....great fun....
Back on topic....Super Mex, the golfer what's his name....Trevino? Has been zapped 3-4 times....golf courses are prime time for lightening strikes and peopel walk around with steel shafts and cleets....gud grounding paths.
your body, mind and heart are conected by nerves. along your nerves electricity travels from the brain to the muscles(and organs) and back.
if this is over loaded or sort circuited it is not as easy as replacing a wire in the car.
the effects on the body can be very serious in a good way or a bad way!!!!
The effects can be anything from mood changes to changes in your heart rate or total shut down of the organs... basically they are all over the map so the advice to get checked out is good advice.
I 've heard stories of an old man that got struck by lightning andand he grew teeth again basically his whole body regenereated it self and he looked about 20 years younger about a year later . So there are some good things that can happen.
Take Care of yourself
Greg Peters.
So Jake... How you feeling today? Keep watching for little stuff that seems a little funky, as it is a potential signal of bigger funky stuff happening. Remember, Bloody marys are a good source of electrolytes...and they tend to take away that "used up welding rod feeling", at least for a little while.
I work in the electrical Industry. I have seen people electrocuted, I have had friends die from it. In every case I have seen to date, the only thing I have seen the Medical trade do for anyone is treat the external burns.
I have never seen anything else ever done (internally) to an electrocution victim.
Am I missing something here?
If you are hooked up to an EKG and have normal heart rythym, that's it. If you have no burns there is nothing I know of to treat. Later in life you will probably get severe hardening of the arteries, this is common in severe shock cases and can drop a few years off your life span but again, there is nothing you can do for it.
Maybe in SoCal you have better medicine but.....
QUOTE (kwales @ May 20 2005, 02:01 PM) |
It can lead to things that show up later. Get checked! |
QUOTE (redshift @ May 20 2005, 04:33 PM) |
Maybe Jake will have magic powers now.... and just by touching the block, the whole thing is treated with an unexplained sub-atomic process! Black Flag actually sounds ok in Mp3.. M |
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