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Posted by: trekkor May 22 2005, 08:56 PM
Great turn out, five 914-6's 
13 timed runs plus an hour of fun runs.
Ten drivers running back to back. Thinned out after about 30 minutes so you'd run, wait 20-40 secs and go again.
That'll wear you out.
Check out this pic of Andy. He was lifting higher, I swear it.
KT
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Posted by: trekkor May 22 2005, 09:00 PM
I believe this was the TTOD 914-6.
Has *everything*.
Runs in class "Z".
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Posted by: trekkor May 22 2005, 09:03 PM
914-6 with a 2.8- Also fast.
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Posted by: sixnotfour May 22 2005, 09:06 PM
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| Check out this pic of Andy. He was lifting higher, I swear it. |
Spectacular, Photo
Posted by: trekkor May 22 2005, 09:06 PM
Jager SIX. 
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Posted by: trekkor May 22 2005, 09:11 PM
9146R ( greg ) came out.
He's a great driver with a very nice car. 2.4 SIX.
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Posted by: trekkor May 22 2005, 09:14 PM
My SIX was the 5th one out.
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Posted by: trekkor May 22 2005, 09:18 PM
This car was blazing fast.
Look at the width... 
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Posted by: ! May 22 2005, 09:25 PM
So I guess Andy's POS motor finally runs right?
Posted by: trekkor May 22 2005, 09:40 PM
Grant was there and really driving well
It was Nathan, though...TTOD was in the 37.xx's, and Nate drops a high 38 on us.
Congrats 
Andy had a 39 and I put up a 40.3 ( got a 39 in the fun runs ) 
Pretty sure there will be six 914's in the top ten.
Also, a 911 trailered race car lost his inner c/v joint and was dragging his axle. 
Overall, one of the best a/x's ever.
KT
Posted by: MW 914 May 22 2005, 09:58 PM
| QUOTE (trekkor @ May 22 2005, 06:56 PM) |
| Check out this pic of Andy. He was lifting higher, I swear it. |
Must be the new paint on his wheels!
Looks like fun, guys.
Posted by: SirAndy May 22 2005, 11:23 PM
yepp, i was actually higher than in that pic on the next run! 
i was fighting understeer all morning so i dropped the tire pressure down to 17lbs in the front and 19lbs in the rear.
them schlicks are sticking well!
in fact, i went on 2 wheels! that was damm scary there for a second.
i went through that same right hand turn when all the sudden, i see the pass. front fender come up, blocking my view ...
disconnected the sway bar for the afternoon runs, which helped with the understeer but made the back a bit squirly. still managed to put down a good run (39.042).
back to the drawing board! time to get rid of those soft 180lbs springs in the rear.
i'm thinking 250lbs ...
Andy
Posted by: nebreitling May 22 2005, 11:23 PM
| QUOTE (trekkor @ May 22 2005, 07:40 PM) |
| It was Nathan, though...TTOD was in the 37.xx's, and Nate drops a high 38 on us. |
thanks trek!
but actually, it was a low-38... a 38.307, to be precise...
had a hard time in the AM. car was terribly unbalanced. during lunch, i re-indexed the torsion bars, lowered the front end, adjusted the sway bar... balanced the car out as much as i could. still fighting alignment. needs more neg camber in front. seriously.
trek drove great -- he was finding the lower times i knew he had in him during the fun runs. his car stays REALLY flat.
ditto w/ grant, but he really lacked the power to keep up on the end straight.... power really counted on this course.
and ANDY. damn, andy did really well. he's got some suspension sorting to do, but those slicks REALLY stick.
good times!
n
Posted by: nine14cats May 22 2005, 11:25 PM
The orange 914-6 is Tom Provasi's. He's won TTOD at Parade the last couple of years and his car is fast. The red car is E.J. and Susan Fontaine's. Again, really fast. E.J. and Susan have helped Doris and I out with instruction and car setups....they are really great to have around.
Trekkor,
I think you need flares and slicks....something for the winter...? 
Damn...I can't wait for 2006!
It's hard sitting here looking at the pics... 
Time for a 
Bill P.
Posted by: mskala May 23 2005, 04:30 AM
Wow, must be good to have a high turnout of modified 914's.
Around here it's mostly mild stuff at least at PCA events. I
don't get to the scca.
Posted by: URY914 May 23 2005, 07:30 AM
Now that looks fun....
Andy, you're now a member of the 3-wheel and 2-wheel 914 club.
Paul
Posted by: Lyressa Roberts May 23 2005, 09:23 AM
| QUOTE (trekkor @ May 22 2005, 06:56 PM) |
| Great turn out, five 914-6's 13 timed runs plus an hour of fun runs. Ten drivers running back to back. Thinned out after about 30 minutes so you'd run, wait 20-40 secs and go again. That'll wear you out. Check out this pic of Andy. He was lifting higher, I swear it. KT |
That's a great pic.
Hey, Andy, if Brad doesn't get back down here this weekend, will you help me by shaving my fender wells? I can't make a tight right hand turn without rubbing. I'm afraid I might rip my fender off...that would be bad...
Posted by: SirAndy May 23 2005, 10:11 AM
| QUOTE (Lyressa Roberts @ May 23 2005, 08:23 AM) |
| Hey, Andy, if Brad doesn't get back down here this weekend, will you help me by shaving my fender wells? |
sure thing! you got tools?
Andy
Posted by: grantsfo May 23 2005, 11:08 AM
| QUOTE (nebreitling @ May 22 2005, 09:23 PM) |
| ditto w/ grant, but he really lacked the power to keep up on the end straight.... power really counted on this course. |
First off Nathan your car and your driving are very well dialed in. Great fun watching you beat much faster cars. I loved hearing comments in the grid. "Thats a little 4 banger?"
and yeah, I was doing crazy things to try to make up for lost time on the long straight and none seemed to work as I just didnt have enough tire. The straight on the back felt like an eternity. I just couldnt get enough speed in third gear to grab power.
My favorite run was when I stayed in second all the way to redline and shifting to third in the middle of that fast corner and then getting fuel starvation (was not running enough gas in my tank my last two runs) just as I got to third with the car at its limit. Very spectacular spin! I almost caught the spin but didnt have any power as the car had temporaily run out of gas.
I threw down a 42.1 which wasnt too shabby given that I was within a second of Ken and his 2.0 prepared car.
Andy's car was fun to watch, those "Shlicks" shtick! I was thinking damn those would be cool to have on my car, but then I realized I wouldnt have enough power to turn them!
Sorry I didnt stick around for fun runs, I had house guests that I had to get back to yesterday. I also had to put gas in the car! Its a good thing when you have so many runs you run out of gas. I have to bring a small gas can next time!
Posted by: redshift May 23 2005, 11:11 AM
WTG! LOL! Andy, have you ever seen a horse count? Looks just like your car.
M
Posted by: Lyressa Roberts May 23 2005, 11:27 AM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ May 23 2005, 08:11 AM) | ||
sure thing! you got tools? Andy |
Actually, Brad said he was going to give you the key to his shop and he had the tools in there...did he?
Posted by: SirAndy May 23 2005, 12:02 PM
| QUOTE (Lyressa Roberts @ May 23 2005, 10:27 AM) |
| Actually, Brad said he was going to give you the key to his shop and he had the tools in there...did he? |
nope, he didn't ...
Andy
Posted by: Lyressa Roberts May 23 2005, 01:33 PM
Oh, ok...well, he said he'd be back this weekend as it is a long weekend...so I guess he can get you a key then or he can just take my car again, or you can... That is, of course, if you're up to the idea... I could just go buy some sand paper and take the next 30 years sanding it off...hehehe.
Posted by: 9146R May 23 2005, 02:12 PM
Trekkor, thanks for prompting me to run the LPR autox and the funrun ride along/coaching. Great surface, course layout (the back sweeper tached out in 2nd was cool). Lots of talented 914 drivers on hand Nathan, Grant, Andy, Trekkor. Glad I got into the 39 second club on the fun runs. ps - Andy next time can you pull a wheelie on the start for us ? 
Posted by: nebreitling May 23 2005, 04:41 PM
nice meeting you, greg!
Posted by: Britain Smith May 23 2005, 05:21 PM
Hey Nathan...when are you going to update the points for the 914CUp?
-Britain
Posted by: grantsfo May 23 2005, 06:47 PM
| QUOTE (9146R @ May 23 2005, 12:12 PM) |
| Trekkor, thanks for prompting me to run the LPR autox and the funrun ride along/coaching. Great surface, course layout (the back sweeper tached out in 2nd was cool). Lots of talented 914 drivers on hand Nathan, Grant, Andy, Trekkor. Glad I got into the 39 second club on the fun runs. ps - Andy next time can you pull a wheelie on the start for us ? |
Greg, Great meeting you too. Nice to see another fast 6 out there!
Posted by: SirAndy May 23 2005, 07:20 PM
| QUOTE (grantsfo @ May 23 2005, 05:47 PM) |
| Greg, Great meeting you too. Nice to see another fast 6 out there! |
ditto!
and thanks for letting me use the impact wrench!
Andy
Posted by: nebreitling May 23 2005, 08:10 PM
zoya got a few of me
i couldn't seem to find a quick launch without laying down a little $$$ rubber. a bit of a drag-start.
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Posted by: nebreitling May 23 2005, 08:11 PM
a run w/ trekkor
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Posted by: nebreitling May 23 2005, 08:12 PM
the color washout makes my car actually look good in this pic
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Posted by: trekkor May 23 2005, 11:06 PM
"Here's a little something for the folks".
I'll post the whole video later.
I spun out on my first run of the day as well.
Airborne cone.
KT
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Posted by: trekkor May 23 2005, 11:14 PM
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Posted by: trekkor May 23 2005, 11:38 PM
Overall, I was very happy with everything.
I was getting good car control.
All my runs were very consistant time wise. 40.3-41.xx.
I know that tires are the missing ingredient to a faster car.
People say Hoosiers are worth 2 seconds ( 38.3 )
I have other plans...
My car stayed flat all day. Still lifting the inside just a touch.
KT
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Posted by: SirAndy May 23 2005, 11:46 PM
| QUOTE (trekkor @ May 23 2005, 10:38 PM) |
| My car stayed flat all day. Still lifting the inside just a touch. |
there will always be some minor lifting ...
looked like your rear end was just a bit lose, i could see it wanting to brake out going through that big back-sweeper ...
you might want to tighten the front bar just a little bit ...
your car was looking good out there. and that first spin was just classic!
Andy
Posted by: nebreitling May 23 2005, 11:47 PM
hoosiers are definitely worth some real time, but IMHO i think two seconds on a 40 sec course is slight hyperbole. 2 sec on a 70 sec course, maybe... v710's look pretty damn good too, and a bit cheaper. might try them next.
in any case, trek, you could improve your grip RIGHT NOW by just getting ahold of some wider wheels and mounting your yokos/hoosiers on them.
Posted by: SirAndy May 23 2005, 11:50 PM
| QUOTE (nebreitling @ May 23 2005, 10:47 PM) |
| but IMHO i think two seconds on a 40 sec course is slight hyperbole |
two seconds over street tires, yes ... but yours hardly qualify as street tires ...
Andy
Posted by: trekkor May 23 2005, 11:55 PM
| QUOTE |
| there will always be some minor lifting ... |
I just noticed your new avatar.
Hardly minor. Andy, Nathan and I...Wheel lifting avatars.
KT
Posted by: rick 918-S May 24 2005, 12:24 AM
You guys are cool! I 
that stuff!
Posted by: Dead Air May 24 2005, 12:34 AM
You guys are outta control!!
Where do I get me one??
Posted by: Brad Roberts May 24 2005, 12:37 AM
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| hoosiers are definitely worth some real time, but IMHO i think two seconds on a 40 sec course is slight hyperbole |
On a road race course against Kuhmo's.. it has nothing to do with AutoX.
I had a blast.
Funny part: Bill commented on EJ helping them with setup.. I was there to help EJ. We have a way's to go with EJ's car.
B
Posted by: grantsfo May 24 2005, 12:47 AM
| QUOTE (nebreitling @ May 23 2005, 09:47 PM) |
| hoosiers are definitely worth some real time, but IMHO i think two seconds on a 40 sec course is slight hyperbole. 2 sec on a 70 sec course, maybe... v710's look pretty damn good too, and a bit cheaper. might try them next. in any case, trek, you could improve your grip RIGHT NOW by just getting ahold of some wider wheels and mounting your yokos/hoosiers on them. |
I think wider stickier slicks on wider rims would have been worth easily 1 to 2 seconds on that course. Yoko's are nice but they arent anything close to wider slicks on wider rims. We'll see how much better my times get once I get slicks on the car. My sense is I'll get close to 2 seconds on 45 - 60 second courses.
Posted by: trekkor May 24 2005, 01:03 AM
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| My sense is I'll get close to 2 seconds on 45 - 60 second courses. |
I think so too.
Our treadwear 60 Yokohama's are a great all-around tire.
It's been a stepping stone to better car control after the Falken's.
Good for wet driving,too.
I know there is a wheel/tire combo out there that would have given me a 38.xx on Sunday
I want stickies...
KT
Posted by: nine14cats May 24 2005, 01:08 AM
Trekkor,
You need these..... 
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Posted by: nine14cats May 24 2005, 01:09 AM
nuther....
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Posted by: nine14cats May 24 2005, 01:09 AM
one more...
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Posted by: trekkor May 24 2005, 01:13 AM
Thanks Bill, don't mind if I do.
Just leave 'em on the side of your house under those cardboard pieces. I'll have 'em by dawn.
KT
Posted by: nine14cats May 24 2005, 01:17 AM
You want me to leave out the sawzall for the "trekkor flares?"...
chant with me....
flares and slicks...
flares and slicks....
flares and slicks.....
You can't catch Andrew and Steve without 'em....
Isn't this sport such a cheap hobby????
Bill P.
Posted by: 9146R May 24 2005, 01:39 AM
Trekkor :
Come on now....Rims and Schlicks time. We'd all love to see you lift that inside wheel and make those new porterfields really work !
ps - Had fun with you and the 914 gang. Thanks for the kind words & photo.
Greg
Posted by: grantsfo May 24 2005, 11:54 AM
OK Trekkor this might motivate you! RS Racing still has some of those $109.20 A3S04 Hoosiers left. ..and guess who just ordered some. 
Posted by: Demick May 24 2005, 12:25 PM
| QUOTE (grantsfo @ May 24 2005, 10:54 AM) |
| OK Trekkor this might motivate you! RS Racing still has some of those $109.20 A3S04 Hoosiers left. ..and guess who just ordered some. |
Me too!
Posted by: J P Stein May 24 2005, 12:48 PM
Hay Bill, I wore off them purple stickers this last weekend.....eat your heart out
Posted by: Randal May 24 2005, 01:38 PM
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| Me too! |
At that price I'd buy two sets as they are normally about $190-200.
They will last you about 60 minutes of autoxing.
Who ever said about 1 second is pretty close for the the Marina, all other things being equal.
Posted by: J P Stein May 24 2005, 08:21 PM
*******Warning, Bench Racin' Here*******
Ok,OK, all you PCA pukes are a buncha' heros, now, you wanna come play with the big dogs?......SCCA production line AX. Only 4 runs to find out what REAL AX is all about. The good news is that the SCCA doesn't believe that AX is an exercise in navagation. If you need 5-7 runs to learn a course tho, don't bother.
http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Sacramento/Shriners2005.htm
OK, I'm done
Posted by: grantsfo May 24 2005, 08:42 PM
| QUOTE (J P Stein @ May 24 2005, 06:21 PM) |
| *******Warning, Bench Racin' Here******* Ok,OK, all you PCA pukes are a buncha' heros, now, you wanna come play with the big dogs?......SCCA production line AX. Only 4 runs to find out what REAL AX is all about. The good news is that the SCCA doesn't believe that AX is an exercise in navagation. If you need 5-7 runs to learn a course tho, don't bother. http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Sacramento/Shriners2005.htm OK, I'm done |
I'd have to run my Toyota Echo and toast a few Honda Civics in stock improved.
Dont get me wrong but Nor Cal Zone 7 is pretty darn competitive for PCA. Yeah its not SCCA, but I have seen a few SCCA drivers show up for events and not get close to TTOD at PCA events here.
Posted by: nine14cats May 24 2005, 11:08 PM
Hey JP,
How'd you like them slicks?....car is different with the 300lbs gone, huh?...
You're gonna like it alot. Just wait till you get used to the car again....you'll be alot faster than before.
You got a limited slip in there?
Bill P.
(jealous of you getting to run your sticky buns! )
Posted by: J P Stein May 25 2005, 12:21 PM
Bill:
It is only 200lbs lighter, the slicks are great , no LSD, and I'm already faster
Hopefully I haven't peaked
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