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Posted by: Series9 Feb 20 2018, 02:18 PM
The car was flat bedded to Series 9 with a "rod knock".
Turned out to be a flywheel knock.
Make sure things are torqued up and it doesn't hurt to use some thread locker. Those 5 bolts cost this engine its bottom end.
Here are the pictures.
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Posted by: SirAndy Feb 20 2018, 02:19 PM
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Posted by: Series9 Feb 20 2018, 02:26 PM
But wait, there's more. This engine is reported to have 6000 miles on it.....
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Posted by: Series9 Feb 20 2018, 02:27 PM
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Posted by: Series9 Feb 20 2018, 02:28 PM
Nose bearing saddle from the other end. The dowel pin was sitting there at a 45* angle.
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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Feb 20 2018, 02:44 PM
Hey Joe...VIN of the LE please.
Posted by: Racer Chris Feb 20 2018, 02:57 PM
There's no reason to use thread locker on a Type 4 flywheel at all.
When new bolts and a new lock plate are used, along with correct torque of 80 lb-ft, they will not ever come loose on their own.
Posted by: Series9 Feb 20 2018, 03:29 PM
There's no reason to use thread locker on a Type 4 flywheel at all.
When new bolts and a new lock plate are used, along with correct torque of 80 lb-ft, they will not ever come loose on their own.
Well, there's no way to truly know on this one. I didn't build it. I didn't torque it.
The new parts will get some thread locker for good measure. Cheap insurance.
Posted by: Series9 Feb 20 2018, 03:30 PM
Hey Joe...VIN of the LE please.
I'm not going to do that without the owner's permission.
Posted by: worn Feb 20 2018, 05:04 PM
There's no reason to use thread locker on a Type 4 flywheel at all.
When new bolts and a new lock plate are used, along with correct torque of 80 lb-ft, they will not ever come loose on their own.
Well, there's no way to truly know on this one. I didn't build it. I didn't torque it.
The new parts will get some thread locker for good measure. Cheap insurance.
So is the case a gonner?
Posted by: craig downs Feb 21 2018, 02:08 AM
Had the same thing happen to me and my engine had just a couple thousand on it. Ever time I took my foot off the pedal there was a loud rumble. When I found out what it was 3 of the 5 flywheel bolts were sheared and the flywheel and end of the crank looked worse than yours. I reused the flywheel bolts I had before and looking at some other ones I had after the problem I noticed they were stretched, a costly mistake. I had the end of the crank and the flywheel resurfaced and it's ok now. Also got some new hardened bolts and will never reuse used bolts again.
Posted by: Series9 Feb 21 2018, 08:20 AM
So is the case a gonner?
Yes. It's scrap.
Posted by: Edward Blume Feb 21 2018, 08:30 AM
So when is someone going to post a link and recommendation as to where to buy new bolts?
Posted by: johnhora Feb 21 2018, 08:31 AM
There's no reason to use thread locker on a Type 4 flywheel at all.
When new bolts and a new lock plate are used, along with correct torque of 80 lb-ft, they will not ever come loose on their own.
with Chris...This is one of those items it just pays to use new....cheap insurance.
Posted by: The Cabinetmaker Feb 21 2018, 10:28 AM
I agree. Loctite is unnecessary when flywheel is properly installed. I hope I never encounter Loctite on one I'm removing
Posted by: mepstein Feb 21 2018, 12:00 PM
So when is someone going to post a link and recommendation as to where to buy new bolts?
They are about $8/bolt at the Porsche dealer. Not cheap but probably a wash since you don't pay shipping if you live close by.
Posted by: veltror Feb 22 2018, 01:52 PM
So when is someone going to post a link and recommendation as to where to buy new bolts?
http://https://www.ahnendorp.com/VW-Type-4---Porsche-914-engineparts-and-machining/Flywheels-70/B-A-S--Special-Flywheel-Bolts-VW-Typ-4.html
Posted by: Series9 Feb 22 2018, 02:26 PM
Based upon some of the replies, I have to ask:
Do you think, in the entire history of the Type IV engine, that no properly installed flywheel has EVER been saved from loosening by a thread locker applied during assembly?
I'm experienced enough to never say never.
Honestly guys, it's just some Loctite on some flywheel bolts. I don't care if you use it or not. I do, and most flywheels I remove have remnants of some as well.
Posted by: McMark Feb 22 2018, 02:42 PM
Ouch. Loctite probably wouldn't save an improperly installed flywheel, in my opinion. So to me it's not really insurance at all. Tack welding the bolts to the flywheel would also keep them from backing out.... OR people can just make sure they do the job right. Clean the end of the crank and clean the recess in the flywheel. Torque the bolts with a torque wrench and a flywheel lock. Use a new locking plate every time and new bolts if in doubt.
And I'd cuss a fit if I fought all day to remove flywheel bolts that were Loctite'd in.
Just seems like a whole lotta band-aid to me. But like you said, I don't care if you use it or not.
Posted by: Series9 Feb 22 2018, 02:59 PM
I give. 
Now I remember the reason I only log on here every six months.
I'm going to close S9 and start fixing Fords......
Posted by: Mueller Feb 22 2018, 03:21 PM
I give.
Now I remember the reason I only log on here every six months.I'm going to close S9 and start fixing Fords......
I see nothing wrong with Blue Loctite myself.
The Class fit of newer bolts might not be the same as original, or the internal thread Class fit could have been compromised.
I find it funny that people are willing to spend $ on other "upgrades" or "improvements" that are not factory to their car, yet get bent out of shape over a simple bolt and adding an "upgrade' to the threads
Posted by: VegasRacer Feb 22 2018, 06:05 PM
I am with you Joe. If the red Loctite is good enough for the terrorist in Moab, it is good enough for me.
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Posted by: Series9 Mar 4 2018, 05:43 PM
You guys want to argue about something as trivial as Loctite on a bolt? Okay. Now you get Ford content.
As promised, rust repair on a (my) F250....
A good 8' bed goes for $3000 in this area. I was able to go to the local U Pull It with a generator and sawzall and cut off what I needed for $160.
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Posted by: Series9 Mar 4 2018, 05:55 PM
I was very happy to discover that my 2006 is made from .050". I expected .040". Of course, the .050" is much harder for form by hand....
Posted by: Series9 Mar 5 2018, 07:18 PM
I admit to not having the sheet metal skills to create a complicated compound curve. However, I can create three pieces that do the same thing. It's hard to see in the picture, but they all have individual simple curves that are welded together. And so you know, this is IMG 914 on my iPhone.
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Posted by: mb911 Mar 6 2018, 09:54 AM
Looks great .. Ps love loctite as an extra precaution.. The big thing I do know from my NC3 training is torque changes based off of what is applied to the threads..
Keep up the good work..
Posted by: Series9 Mar 6 2018, 02:05 PM
Good ole' Rustoleum oil-based paint.
I shoot it out of an old siphon feed Sharpe. Works perfectly.
It's now ready for the painter....
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Posted by: jd74914 Mar 6 2018, 02:09 PM
Looking good Joe! I did almost that very same repair to an F150 bed a few years ago (mine included some more frame work at the same time though). Have you already replaced the rear spring perches? It seems like they all fail at some point...
Posted by: Andyrew Mar 6 2018, 02:10 PM
Solid work!
Posted by: theer Mar 6 2018, 04:03 PM
I love it! Retaliation by Ford.
Sounds as if the consensus is: Loctite is optional (but perfectly fine).. new bolts are a must.
Peace, out.
Posted by: mbseto Mar 6 2018, 04:54 PM
... Okay. Now you get Ford content....
Good lord. What's happening to this community??
Posted by: Series9 Mar 6 2018, 06:04 PM
... Okay. Now you get Ford content....
Good lord. What's happening to this community??
EXACTLY! Finally....
You win a cookie.
Posted by: Series9 Mar 6 2018, 06:46 PM
Looking good Joe! I did almost that very same repair to an F150 bed a few years ago (mine included some more frame work at the same time though). Have you already replaced the rear spring perches? It seems like they all fail at some point...
This one is a 250. Totally different animal. The frame is fine.
Posted by: Series9 Mar 7 2018, 01:23 PM
Don’t underestimate the damage that can be done by salty flip flops...
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Posted by: Rand Mar 7 2018, 01:41 PM
Joe, I like your style. I want to work for you. But don't shoot yourself in the foot.
Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 7 2018, 02:22 PM
Note the pilot bearing is at the wrong depth. Was there a felt washer in there when you took it apart?
Posted by: Series9 Mar 7 2018, 04:25 PM
Joe, I like your style. I want to work for you. But don't shoot yourself in the foot.
It's just an off-topic thread. Many of the fabrication techniques are perfectly applicable to 914s.
I would be surprised to think this thread could cost me a customer, but I'll never live long enough to see it all.
Posted by: Series9 Mar 19 2018, 07:51 AM
While I was at Sebring, the painter worked his magic.
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Posted by: McMark Mar 19 2018, 11:58 AM
Welding everything together? I just crimp an overlapping flange and then loctite body panels together.
Relax, I'm kidding..... 
Posted by: Series9 Mar 20 2018, 08:40 AM
Ta da. Half way there.
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Posted by: 76-914 Mar 20 2018, 08:51 AM
I like that color combo! 
Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 20 2018, 09:09 AM
I wouldn't have used a MIG.
I'd never use that paint.
Why'd you paint it that color?
Posted by: Series9 Mar 20 2018, 09:11 AM
Sounds about right. 
I wouldn't have used a MIG.
I'd never use that paint.
Why'd you paint it that color?
Posted by: Series9 Mar 20 2018, 09:12 AM
I like that color combo!
VW Monsoon Grey Metallic and Chrysler Sublime Metallic. I'm happy with the outcome.
Posted by: Series9 Mar 24 2018, 07:12 PM
Front fenders and front deck will be finished this weekend. I'm ready to be done with it....
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Posted by: 76-914 Mar 25 2018, 10:07 AM
I like that color combo!
VW Monsoon Grey Metallic and Chrysler Sublime Metallic. I'm happy with the outcome.
Your planning to paint the rest of the truck in that same scheme, right?
Posted by: Series9 Mar 25 2018, 06:12 PM
I like that color combo!
VW Monsoon Grey Metallic and Chrysler Sublime Metallic. I'm happy with the outcome.
Your planning to paint the rest of the truck in that same scheme, right?
No. Why?
Posted by: Series9 Mar 26 2018, 11:47 AM
I did the hood and the painter did the fenders.
More soon....
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Posted by: Series9 Mar 26 2018, 12:18 PM
Looking good.
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Posted by: Series9 Mar 26 2018, 12:51 PM
The painting I'm doing is being shot with a Harbor Freight purple HVLP gun. $25.
They work fine if you take them completely apart and clean them thoroughly before use.
They obviously don't last like a SATA, but I just get two and throw it in the trash the moment it starts messing up.
My painter uses a SATA. If you get your car painted here, I promise not to use a Harbor Freight gun on your car.
Posted by: Ferg Mar 26 2018, 12:57 PM
Color and overall look is big improvement.
Posted by: Series9 Mar 26 2018, 02:29 PM
It was time. I reached the point where the truck was looking too rough to be a good representative for my business.
I spent some time looking for a newer truck, but finally decided put my old friend right.
The painter and I decided to take a break next weekend, so two weeks to go...
Posted by: ThePaintedMan Mar 26 2018, 04:12 PM
I miss hanging out in that shop. Looks good Joe.
Posted by: Series9 Mar 26 2018, 05:03 PM
I miss hanging out in that shop. Looks good Joe.
You are welcome any time. Just let me know you're coming and I'll be here.
Posted by: Series9 Mar 26 2018, 05:17 PM
Sorry, but I'm happy with my work today:
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Posted by: tygaboy Mar 26 2018, 05:42 PM
And you sHOOD be! 
Posted by: Series9 Mar 26 2018, 06:59 PM
And you sHOOD be!
Nice!
Posted by: 76-914 Mar 26 2018, 08:57 PM
That color combo would look great on a 914. I like nice paint jobs on other peoples cars. If I get a nice paint job I may as well put a target on my car.
Posted by: Series9 Mar 27 2018, 01:43 PM
Getting there....
I decided the nose was getting a little dark with the new scheme, so I ordered a new chrome grill. The bumper is coming off to be shot with the good 'ole Rustoleum satin.
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Posted by: Series9 Mar 27 2018, 02:31 PM
New back bumper from a later model. I like the larger step area of this one.
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Posted by: Series9 Mar 27 2018, 05:00 PM
Looks nice.
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Posted by: bulitt Mar 28 2018, 04:46 AM
I wouldn't have used a MIG.
I'd never use that paint.
Why'd you paint it that color?
Who are you Sir?
Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 28 2018, 01:02 PM
I wouldn't have used a MIG.
I'd never use that paint.
Why'd you paint it that color?
Who are you Sir?
Thanks but, this is a tread where we should be piling on Joe and critiquing his every move. Carry on!
Posted by: Series9 Mar 28 2018, 05:57 PM
I wouldn't have used a MIG.
I'd never use that paint.
Why'd you paint it that color?
Who are you Sir?
Thanks but, this is a tread where we should be piling on Joe and critiquing his every move. Carry on!
That's better. Thanks Eric. Back to normal.Posted by: Series9 Mar 28 2018, 06:00 PM
Front bumper with oil-based Rustoleum shot out of an HVLP gun.
Dilute with 15% ish acetone so it dries quickly in the sun and you're golden. This is two coats.
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Posted by: bulitt Mar 29 2018, 12:39 AM
I like the Rustoleum high performance paint. Use it on my trailer.
But don't think you will be happy with it after several years- lots of fade.
You might be better off with cheap Tractor enamel from Tractor Supply with a thinner and hardener. John Deere Blitz Black maybe?
https://www.greenpartstore.com/John-Deere-Blitz-Black-Paint-TY25631.html
And those HF guns are great! I catch them on sale for 13$.
Posted by: Series9 Mar 29 2018, 06:57 AM
Much better. Chrome grill is on the way...
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Posted by: Series9 Apr 2 2018, 12:45 PM
Today's addition of the chrome grill.
Doors and cab get paint this weekend.....
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Posted by: porschetub Apr 3 2018, 12:02 AM
Front bumper with oil-based Rustoleum shot out of an HVLP gun.
Dilute with 15% ish acetone so it dries quickly in the sun and you're golden. This is two coats.
Oh good so I'am not the only person using acetone for thinning,well done
,had a drum left over from when I moved and stopped making surfboards,been really handy,cleaning paint stripping etc.Posted by: Series9 Apr 6 2018, 08:39 AM
Doors are at the painter!
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Posted by: Series9 Apr 6 2018, 08:40 AM
And new lights have arrived:
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Posted by: Ferg Apr 6 2018, 03:11 PM
Sooooo..... that beast looks ready for another doughnut video?
Posted by: Series9 Apr 7 2018, 06:36 PM
I tried to get my wife to ride. No dice.....
Posted by: Series9 Apr 9 2018, 04:09 PM
Weather was shit this weekend, so I'm behind.
Driver's jamb and back of the cab are done.
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Posted by: Series9 Apr 9 2018, 06:44 PM
Sooooo..... that beast looks ready for another doughnut video?
And it will totally do it, but I have to respect the limitations of the 6.0. It's the weakest of the bunch in the head gasket class. I have many, many good miles on this work horse by respecting its weaknesses.
I will tell you though, if I decide to put the pedal down, very few small sports cars can beat it to the next light. The power is pretty amazing.
7000# EMPTY and you will have your ass handed to you in a stop light race.
Posted by: Philip W. Apr 10 2018, 07:01 AM
I like the new color, it looks almost identical to my Lincoln navigator.
Posted by: Series9 Apr 12 2018, 12:14 PM
Jambs are finally finished.
New nose is on:
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Posted by: Series9 Apr 12 2018, 12:15 PM
Doors started arriving from the painter....
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Posted by: Ferg Apr 12 2018, 01:47 PM
Man, it's really turning out nice. 
Are you going to do a pinstripe to separate the green and grey like the factory would have?
Posted by: Ed_Turbo Apr 12 2018, 05:24 PM
After you fix it up sell it and buy a Chevy.
Yes, loctiting internals is cheap insurance so you do not have to do a timely tear down and do the same job twice. Do it right the first time!
Posted by: Series9 Apr 13 2018, 04:05 PM
Man, it's really turning out nice.
Are you going to do a pinstripe to separate the green and grey like the factory would have?Maybe.......if they don't all line up.
Posted by: Series9 Apr 13 2018, 04:06 PM
I can't believe it. The paint is done. I'll put it back together tomorrow..
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Posted by: Series9 Apr 14 2018, 09:42 AM
Yes! Windshield and vinyl decals to go (and I'm not doing either).
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Posted by: Series9 Apr 15 2018, 06:07 PM
Found a guy to do the windshield at 4:30 on a Saturday and he was $100 cheaper than any of the big guys who couldn't do it until next week.
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Posted by: Valy Apr 15 2018, 06:48 PM
Found a guy to do the windshield at 4:30 on a Saturday and he was $100 cheaper than any of the big guys who couldn't do it until next week.
That's because he works sideways
Looks great! Enjoy!
Posted by: 73-914 Apr 15 2018, 09:19 PM
FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily
Posted by: mbseto Apr 16 2018, 01:26 PM
It amuses me that there is a Ford F250 restoration thread on the front page that started out of sheer spite over thread lock and everyone just rolls with it. Do they give out honorary PCAs?
Posted by: 76-914 Apr 17 2018, 08:41 AM
Looks great. Now for a few details. What year is it and which model year did the grille and lighting come from? What kind of $$$ are we talking about for the upgrade?
Posted by: Series9 Apr 18 2018, 11:18 AM
Looks great. Now for a few details. What year is it and which model year did the grille and lighting come from? What kind of $$$ are we talking about for the upgrade?
It's a 2006. All the parts are for that range of years. Ford parts are cheaper than Porsche parts. The lights and grill were $200 for everything.
It's getting decals right now.....
Posted by: Series9 Apr 18 2018, 01:00 PM
Last one. We now return you to your normally scheduled program.
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