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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ Kelly Moss "Orange Crush" for sale - $225k
Posted by: raynekat Feb 27 2018, 07:32 PM
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/988943-1970-porsche-914-6-gt.html
Built from a real six with lots of special attention and parts.
Cost $370k to build....makes me feel a lot better about the cost of my build. 
2.8 liter 311hp engine
You get the drift...
Would be fun to take this one around block.
I'd like to experience the acceleration this car supposedly is capable of.
Posted by: thelogo Feb 27 2018, 08:10 PM
Seems a bit steep
I just think cars and collection's like this are kinda a waste in a
Way being too expensive to really drive and use
They are amazing to look at but why would you lock a
"Beast in a cage " 
https://youtu.be/IrkPbT13gGc
Posted by: 914_teener Feb 27 2018, 08:22 PM
Seems a bit steep
I just think cars and collection's like this are kinda a waste in a
Way being too expensive to really drive and use
They are amazing to look at but why would you lock a
"Beast in a cage "
So it.s the opposite of shaudenfeeude?
I think its freakin cool....
Why does a bear piss on the woods?
Because it can.
Posted by: My 914 Feb 27 2018, 08:33 PM
It's a beautiful car, but price and value are relative things. Personally, I think that once you get past 100K, the numbers become meaningless.
Posted by: Larmo63 Feb 27 2018, 08:36 PM
It doesn't look like $225,000.00 to me.
But, what do I know?
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 27 2018, 08:58 PM
I don't think Schadenfreude means what you think it means ...
Posted by: mepstein Feb 27 2018, 09:08 PM
We build $200K+ cars at the shop. Not 2x more fun than a $100K car but the parts really do add up quickly. One of our customers told me today he has 37 cars. Unlike me, even a $200K car is probably a smaller percentage of his net worth than the 2007 used Honda CRV I bought for my son. I do try to drive the shop cars any chance I get. They are made to drive. Trying to get in the 962 but thats a long shot. 
The neat thing is I can do a 914 with a 300+hp 993 motor for a lot less. Won't be the same car but I'll be satisfied.
Posted by: Cracker Feb 27 2018, 09:19 PM
Yeah, that is a joke...or someone is on crack.
Cracker
Posted by: gereed75 Feb 27 2018, 09:31 PM
Worth it or not is in the eye of the buyer. Regardless this is one very cool 914. Got to crawl around it at the last RennSport.....very cool.
Posted by: Mueller Feb 27 2018, 09:33 PM
I just hope it goes to a good home and is driven in anger once in a while
Posted by: Garold Shaffer Feb 27 2018, 09:38 PM
I got to spend a day helping with some of the wiring. What a great car, but $225K 
Now the other cars in their shop 
Posted by: 914_teener Feb 27 2018, 09:43 PM
I don't think Schadenfreude means what you think it means ...
Well.........I think it means glee or gloat at someone's misfortune.... I know I spelled it wrong.
Of course I'll defer to you Andy.
So the opposite would be frowning at someone's fortune....
Still a pretty cool car and yea....after six figures it's kind of meaningless.
Posted by: Jamie Feb 27 2018, 10:04 PM
I got to spend a day helping with some of the wiring. What a great car, but $225K
Now the other cars in their shop And about those other cars in the photo, how do they get them stacked 3 levels high on those racks?
Can't imaging using a forklift like they do at big marina storage facilities?
Posted by: pete000 Feb 27 2018, 11:13 PM
Pallet racks with wood floors and megga expensive cars stacked ! 
Posted by: palmer_md Feb 27 2018, 11:49 PM
but how fast is the UPS delivery vehicle in that photo?
Posted by: nimblemotorsports Feb 28 2018, 12:13 AM
Built from a real six with lots of special attention and parts.
Cost $370k to build..
Do the fake ones have only 5 cylinders?
For $370k, it would need something really really real.Posted by: rhodyguy Feb 28 2018, 08:54 AM
A quarter million. Let me rephrase that...A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS! I'm gob smacked. That an additional $130k has been flushed down the crapper is beyond words. All post tax $ is the icing on the cake. The 666 5th Ave of 914s.
I don't often share threads with my wife. If we liquidated ALL of our savings we could swing it for cash. "Sorry Kevin, wrong color".
Posted by: mepstein Feb 28 2018, 09:04 AM
A quarter million. Let me rephrase that...A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS! I'm gob smacked. That an additional $130k has been flushed down the crapper is beyond words. All post tax $ is the icing on the cake.
I'm just speculating here but a lot of the 'lost" $130K is labor and I bet the shop bills at $125-150/hr. But the owner didn't actually pay his employees what he bills customers. Granted, he might have lost potential profit since his car was getting work done and not a customer. Similar idea with hard part cost. Engine might have cost the owner $35K in parts, $15K in labor but the shop would charge a customer $75K. So the math may be a little fuzzy.
Remember, people pay a quarter million dollars for paint on canvas, shaped pieces of clay and fermented grape juice in a bottle, so if you define the car as art, It might be downright reasonable.
Posted by: rhodyguy Feb 28 2018, 09:18 AM
Not 'lost", GONE! More often than a not a lost item can be found, 'where did I put my keys'. 
Posted by: green914 Feb 28 2018, 10:44 AM
WOW!
Posted by: GeorgeRud Feb 28 2018, 10:44 AM
Very pretty car, but with all the modifications, who cares if it’s an original -6? I think a lot of folks have done conversions that are also very nice, fun cars that are nowhere near these numbers. Many of us wrench on our toys as a hobby, so the labor is not an issue as it’s relaxation for us. I did mine as a fun project and not with the idea of making money from it. Much, much cheaper than spending money on a psychologist’s couch and the time spent with friends in the garage are better than sitting in some bar having drinks. Beer tastes best as refreshment in your garage.
Posted by: Ferg Feb 28 2018, 10:46 AM
Just because you spent X on building your dream car, does not make it worth a number pulled from air. ![popcorn[1].gif](style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 28 2018, 11:19 AM
Ain't that the truth ...
Posted by: gothspeed Feb 28 2018, 06:09 PM
Looks like a nice car. I am going to post the first picture in the fuchs wheel thread/poll ...
Posted by: thelogo Feb 28 2018, 09:45 PM
Ok
So since this entire thread is pretty much commeting
On a sale , ( which is right up my alley)
What is the car actually worth
Id say 85 k ?
Posted by: KELTY360 Feb 28 2018, 10:33 PM
Id say 85 k ?
That's as delusional as the asking price.
Posted by: Mueller Feb 28 2018, 10:50 PM
Just because you spent X on building your dream car, does not make it worth a number pulled from air.
Got to aim high.
This is advertising for the shop to a degree, if sold too cheap what would his customers think about paying such high prices for their custom built 911s or other Porsche race cars?
There is no reason a '70 911 built more or less the same exact way should be worth "that" much more and there are about half a dozen shops building early $200K+ 911s and they have long waiting periods.
I think it'll sell in $150K to $185K range. As long as it is driven and not put away for nobody to see it again, that would be shame.
Posted by: mgp4591 Feb 28 2018, 11:11 PM
On the positive side, we may have a winner for COTM...
Posted by: Mueller Feb 28 2018, 11:28 PM
We build $200K+ cars at the shop. Not 2x more fun than a $100K car but the parts really do add up quickly. One of our customers told me today he has 37 cars. Unlike me, even a $200K car is probably a smaller percentage of his net worth than the 2007 used Honda CRV I bought for my son. I do try to drive the shop cars any chance I get. They are made to drive. Trying to get in the 962 but thats a long shot.
The neat thing is I can do a 914 with a 300+hp 993 motor for a lot less. Won't be the same car but I'll be satisfied.
For some odd reason I bought a copy of Superyachet World over the weekend, heck I cannot even afford to waste $300 on a plastic kayak yet I was drawn to spend $9 on this magazine. The amount of money on these things is mind boggling. Winning the Megamillion lotto still wouldn't give one enough money to buy and maintain most of the ships in this thing.
So yes there are people with money that the normal person cannot understand or come to grips with.
Wonder what modification "Orange Crush" is "missing" to make the people with Singer type of budgets want this car?
Does it need better marketing to let prospective buyers know how rare or special it is?
Is it special enough or is it too close to your dare I say standard cookie cutter 914 GT recipe? No CF roof or CF fenders or a 500hp 4-valve air cooled motor like the what is supposed to be being built for some new Singer builds.
Posted by: porschetub Feb 28 2018, 11:40 PM
End of the day its a "custom car" built to someone elses taste ,that in it's self creates a limited market....the selling price is another down factor and that go's without saying.
I'am not fussed on it I have seen cars owned by members on here I like better bet they never cost that much .
Posted by: thelogo Mar 1 2018, 12:33 AM
I have seen cars owned by members on here I like better bet they never cost that much .
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Elliot s old yellow car
Coolest 914 ever imho
Posted by: cal44 Mar 1 2018, 10:23 AM
I'd rather buy a '66 Shelby Mustang and have a 100K left in the bank
Posted by: campbellcj Mar 1 2018, 11:33 AM
I've got to agree as well. This is an unbelievably well-done car - I've seen it up-close in-person - but the build cost as well as asking price sound awfully high. For sure it is a worthy marketing showpiece for the shop and also must be a hoot to drive.
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 1 2018, 11:45 AM
For that kind of money i would expect them to add back the black paint under the engine grille side pieces after the respray.
PS: And the black goo around the front shock towers ...
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 1 2018, 11:49 AM
http://www.kellymossmotorsports.com/projects/orange-crush/
Posted by: Cracker Mar 1 2018, 02:12 PM
I called about the car and mentioned this...was told it would have increased the cost by 85k!
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For that kind of money i would expect them to add back the black paint under the engine grille side pieces after the respray.
Posted by: 914forme Mar 1 2018, 02:31 PM
BTW adding a spare tire gas can to the rear trunk helps the car how
Would have rather seen a 100 Liter tank installed to get me endurance range. But when you spend over 100 hours on the bumpers maybe the 100 L tank and respective work required is to much trouble, so you add a small 9L to the capacity of your car. Total capacity in my GT would be approximately 61 Liters of fuel. Oh, the last 9L I have to pull over and fill the tank with to get back to the pits.
Posted by: fishgeckos Mar 1 2018, 03:01 PM
It's only worth what someone will pay for it. I can't imagine that there are a lot of seriously interested buyers out there (particularly that actually would want to drive it rather than just "museum" it).
Posted by: My 914 Mar 1 2018, 03:09 PM
For 200K, I would want it to have good heat, cold air conditioning and a good stereo.
Posted by: jd74914 Mar 1 2018, 03:10 PM
Wonder what modification "Orange Crush" is "missing" to make the people with Singer type of budgets want this car?
The 911 body.
Is it special enough or is it too close to your dare I say standard cookie cutter 914 GT recipe? No CF roof or CF fenders or a 500hp 4-valve air cooled motor like the what is supposed to be being built for some new Singer builds.
To me it's a very expensive cookie cutter. Sure the car is nice, but it's pretty tame. Lots of cool little touches, but nothing that really makes you go wow like the Singer engine, etc. For a heavily modifed car at this pricepoint I would expect more.
Posted by: mepstein Mar 1 2018, 04:28 PM
Wonder what modification "Orange Crush" is "missing" to make the people with Singer type of budgets want this car?
The 911 body.
Is it special enough or is it too close to your dare I say standard cookie cutter 914 GT recipe? No CF roof or CF fenders or a 500hp 4-valve air cooled motor like the what is supposed to be being built for some new Singer builds.
To me it's a very expensive cookie cutter. Sure the car is nice, but it's pretty tame. Lots of cool little touches, but nothing that really makes you go wow like the Singer engine, etc. For a heavily modifed car at this pricepoint I would expect more.
You are correct on both statements.
Posted by: larryM Mar 2 2018, 10:49 PM
It's only worth what someone will pay for it. I can't imagine that there are a lot of seriously interested buyers out there (particularly that actually would want to drive it rather than just "museum" it).
buy it quick - still time to get yourself entered in RR-VI races & run with the other high-rollers
Posted by: gms Mar 3 2018, 10:30 PM
I was present for a large part of the build and can tell you the stated expenses are no exaggeration. The engine and transmission are amazing because Kelly-Moss has exceptional engine builders. There really was no stated budget on this build and almost every part is new. So yes it was very expensive
here is a link with some build photos I took
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=308170
Posted by: Edward Blume Mar 4 2018, 07:08 AM
I thought it looked familiar:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=264810&hl=Rennsport&st=340
Posted by: gereed75 Mar 4 2018, 08:09 AM
When you read the s3mag article linked in the thread linked above, the whole build comes into perspective
I would guess many among us would build something very similar if we we had the means. Thanks Glen for sharing your special insight.
Very cool machine
Posted by: bulitt Mar 4 2018, 09:19 AM
370k to build!
Musta been a Gubernment project...
Posted by: r_towle Mar 4 2018, 01:17 PM
Ain't that the truth ...
About to head down the road of stripping my originally gold car that is currently red.
What is a good color?
I am all over the place.
Flared 5 lug, power plant will keep getting bigger until I die.
1) silver with a red Interior
2) modern, in your face HOC metallic gold
3) Black (but rick/Elliott already did that
4) red....
5) some cool pastel color
Posted by: Edward Blume Mar 4 2018, 03:46 PM
Ain't that the truth ...
About to head down the road of stripping my originally gold car that is currently red.
What is a good color?
I am all over the place.
Flared 5 lug, power plant will keep getting bigger until I die.
1) silver with a red Interior
2) modern, in your face HOC metallic gold
3) Black (but rick/Elliott already did that
4) red....
5) some cool pastel color
If I could do any color again it would be either a dark gray color (non-914) or polar silver from the 993. Here's what both looks like... and Dad's car...
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Posted by: thelogo Mar 4 2018, 04:05 PM
Ain't that the truth ...
About to head down the road of stripping my originally gold car that is currently red.
What is a good color?
I am all over the place.
Flared 5 lug, power plant will keep getting bigger until I die.
1) silver with a red Interior
2) modern, in your face HOC metallic gold
3) Black (but rick/Elliott already did that
4) red....
5) some cool pastel color
The most rare 914 color of course
Strawberry
Posted by: gandalf_025 Mar 4 2018, 04:18 PM
If I had a choice on my car.. GOLD It would have been..
I remember a local car back in the 70’s that was the Factory
Gold Metalic and it was amazing....
Posted by: My 914 Mar 4 2018, 04:37 PM
Ain't that the truth ...
About to head down the road of stripping my originally gold car that is currently red.
What is a good color?
I am all over the place.
Flared 5 lug, power plant will keep getting bigger until I die.
1) silver with a red Interior
2) modern, in your face HOC metallic gold
3) Black (but rick/Elliott already did that
4) red....
5) some cool pastel color
Strawberry
That would look great.
Posted by: cali914 Mar 4 2018, 05:46 PM
It doesn't look like $225,000.00 to me.
But, what do I know?
agree but anyone can ask all they want. Its wether some poor soul wants it bad enough.
Posted by: KELTY360 Mar 4 2018, 06:39 PM
It doesn't look like $225,000.00 to me.
But, what do I know?
agree but anyone can ask all they want. Its wether some poor soul wants it bad enough.
I kind of have a hard time calling someone who can pony up the bucks a 'poor soul'. Not a value judgement I'd be willing to make.
Posted by: My 914 Mar 4 2018, 07:23 PM
Sometimes there is more meaning in words and phrases than we realize.
Posted by: pete000 Mar 4 2018, 10:48 PM
I think the engine build is what brings this cars price so high. The chassis build is super clean and detailed, but many 914-6 GT builds have this as well for a lot less money.
I like the car, but would have done a few things different IMHO...
Posted by: Fatboy007 Mar 4 2018, 10:56 PM
Posted by: falcor75 Mar 5 2018, 12:10 AM
Ain't that the truth ...
About to head down the road of stripping my originally gold car that is currently red.
What is a good color?
I am all over the place.
Flared 5 lug, power plant will keep getting bigger until I die.
1) silver with a red Interior
2) modern, in your face HOC metallic gold
3) Black (but rick/Elliott already did that
4) red....
5) some cool pastel color
Strawberry
That would look great.
Rasberry?
Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 5 2018, 06:43 AM
Raspberry.
Posted by: Unobtanium-inc Mar 12 2018, 08:31 PM
Spent $370,000 restoring and building a 914. I don't think that covers the cost of the car, so let's say $400,000 spent.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/988943-1970-porsche-914-6-gt.html
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Posted by: 76-914 Mar 12 2018, 08:41 PM
600 hours labor to make a couple of fiberglass bumpers. I got a call BS unless the check writer was a stoned, rich moron. 
Posted by: Krieger Mar 12 2018, 08:44 PM
DUDE! He only wants 225k for it! That's a huge loss for this poor fella.
Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 12 2018, 08:50 PM
WOW.
The "upgrades" are interesting. But for that price the number of buyers it speaks to, will be VERY limited.
Posted by: second wind Mar 12 2018, 09:48 PM
Ok you guys.....quit thinking and start feeling.....how much fun would this car be if you got it for free?? Let's talk car....not money...k? OMG....my car was down for three (3) months and once I got to drive it again the grin on my face was unstoppable...these little guys are just too much fun which is why we get addicted....like heroin....."it felt so good I want to do it more". Why else would we do this? Up to $300 plus K? Like all of us.....pure addiction.....so my point is that there is no point...leave me alone and let me work on my car....(trunk hinge mount replacement for current "project"). Without this addiction what else would I do??
gg
Posted by: second wind Mar 12 2018, 09:55 PM
Ok you guys.....quit thinking and start feeling.....how much fun would this car be if you got it for free?? Let's talk car....not money...k? OMG....my car was down for three (3) months and once I got to drive it again the grin on my face was unstoppable...these little guys are just too much fun which is why we get addicted....like heroin....."it felt so good I want to do it more". Why else would we do this? Up to $300 plus K? Like all of us.....pure addiction.....so my point is that there is no point...leave me alone and let me work on my car....(trunk hinge mount replacement for current "project"). Without this addiction what else would I do??
gg
BTW that looks like a real nice car!! I can't even imagine what driving it would be like?? I still think a 2.0 six in a six is plenty.....everyone else likes 3.2 and above....I guess I would to if I didn't have to pay for it....never been in one so maybe I would drink the cool aid and have to have one.....
gg
Posted by: r_towle Mar 12 2018, 10:02 PM
There is a real speedster for less on Ebay.
and two 911 speedsters also.
rich
Posted by: Spoke Mar 12 2018, 10:56 PM
Beautiful car. Love the orange color. Good work.
Posted by: cali914 Mar 12 2018, 11:54 PM
no wheel center caps?
Posted by: Justinp71 Mar 12 2018, 11:56 PM
Ok you guys.....quit thinking and start feeling.....how much fun would this car be if you got it for free?? Let's talk car....not money...k? OMG....my car was down for three (3) months and once I got to drive it again the grin on my face was unstoppable...these little guys are just too much fun which is why we get addicted....like heroin....."it felt so good I want to do it more". Why else would we do this? Up to $300 plus K? Like all of us.....pure addiction.....so my point is that there is no point...leave me alone and let me work on my car....(trunk hinge mount replacement for current "project"). Without this addiction what else would I do??
gg
Isn't that the truth... Also driving the 914 just "feels" faster than driving most modern cars... so when you have a fast 914... well that's just a whole nuther story
But for $225k, that opens the doors to alot of much higher end cars.
Posted by: raynekat Mar 13 2018, 01:02 AM
This is a seriously fast car.
Much faster than your typical 3.0 or 3.2 transplant.
From the builder: Pro driver Andrew Davis, who recently drove this car, said it was by far the fastest 914-6 he had ever driven, including all the full-on race cars, and he felt confident it would out-accelerate a 991 Cup car to 100 MPH.
That is really hauling some beans there.
All coming out of a 2.8.
Dyno pull for the skeptics....not the numbers (+300hp), but just how fast this engine spools up under load. Pretty amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRRx84vXHwM
Posted by: HaraPuzo Mar 13 2018, 04:43 AM
what a car!
yeah, its expensive, but I'm buying a lottery ticket this week
Posted by: 914Sixer Mar 13 2018, 07:41 AM
Why ?
Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 13 2018, 08:18 AM
So happy, BIGGLY happy, we get multiple threads and get to discuss the same car over and over. Old news folks.
Posted by: BENBRO02 Mar 13 2018, 11:38 AM
So happy, BIGGLY happy, we get multiple threads and get to discuss the same car over and over. Old news folks.
You can change the channel if you've seen it before and are not interested.
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 13 2018, 11:59 AM
So happy, BIGGLY happy, we get multiple threads and get to discuss the same car over and over. Old news folks.
You can change the channel if you've seen it before and are not interested.
Or, i can simply merge the threads ...
Posted by: KELTY360 Mar 13 2018, 12:10 PM
So happy, BIGGLY happy, we get multiple threads and get to discuss the same car over and over. Old news folks.
You can change the channel if you've seen it before and are not interested.
Or, i can simply merge the threads ...
Don't you have important things to do...like bathroom remodeling or something...maybe install a new silverware divider?
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 13 2018, 12:31 PM
I'm at work, so no, nothing more important to do ...
Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 13 2018, 03:44 PM
I could, but I prefer THIS thread. Looks like it done got fixed good. REAL GOOD!
Posted by: My 914 Mar 13 2018, 06:46 PM
Or, as mentioned in a previous post, a "poor soul".
Posted by: My 914 Mar 13 2018, 06:49 PM
Sorry, I was responding to post #60.
Posted by: Edward Blume Mar 13 2018, 06:51 PM
I can't add anything more to this thread....
but I'll try...
Man that's an expensive 914-6. I wonder if its faster than a GT3? The price is about the same....
Posted by: My 914 Mar 13 2018, 07:36 PM
For about the same amount of money, you could also buy a brand new nicely equipped 911 turbo.
Posted by: second wind Mar 13 2018, 11:11 PM
Ever notice how guys can't stop talking about a pretty girl they saw?? Is it just me or is this the same lust....??
gg
Posted by: Edward Blume Mar 13 2018, 11:18 PM
Ever notice how guys can't stop talking about a pretty girl they saw?? Is it just me or is this the same lust....??
gg
Girls? Where?
Posted by: My 914 Mar 14 2018, 07:30 AM
Is it the car or the price? I wonder if this car would get the same attention if it was 85K.
Posted by: Mueller Mar 14 2018, 08:13 AM
Is it the car or the price? I wonder if this car would get the same attention if it was 85K.
I agree, it would be talked about at that price (and possibly sold) but not warrant so many threads.
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 14 2018, 10:47 AM
Ever notice how guys can't stop talking about a pretty girl they saw?? Is it just me or is this the same lust....??
gg
No, it's just you ...
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