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Posted by: SirAndy Mar 12 2018, 05:44 PM

Due to health reasons, Pat Garvey is no longer able to moderate the "Originality and History" forum and has asked for a worthy replacement.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=325692


Anyone who would like to take over as a moderator, please let me know ...

Posted by: r_towle Mar 12 2018, 05:51 PM

Hope things will get better Pat!

I am not at all worthy to fill his shoes.
If you decide to have a “hack in the backyard” forum, I would submit

Posted by: SKL1 Mar 12 2018, 06:11 PM

I'd be glad to help (as original owner of a 9/70 build 914 1.7 ) but surely don't know "everything..."


(and also hope Pat's health improves...)

Posted by: 914 7T3 Mar 12 2018, 07:09 PM

I nominate Tom_T if he will take it on. He seems quite knowledgeable on this topic!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 12 2018, 08:11 PM

My prayers to Pat and his family.

Posted by: ConeDodger Mar 12 2018, 08:20 PM

Dave Darling has forgotten more than most of us know...

Posted by: r_towle Mar 12 2018, 10:01 PM

+1 for DD!

Posted by: McMark Mar 13 2018, 07:07 AM

This person don't need to have all the answers. They just need to care about Originality and History and help make sure everything posted there is following the rules.

Even better would be someone who posts topics for everyone to talk/think about. Actively seeking out and collecting information.

We need a passionate seeker, more than a guru.

Posted by: Tom_T Mar 13 2018, 09:16 AM

My problem is that I'm just buried with work right now (owning a small business means no relief), aside from deep into a historic 1921 home renovation/resto.

But I would be willing to team up with Dave Darling if the two of us can cover for each other, or as part of another duo or trio of O&H buffs if Dave can't.

PS - Other great & helpful O&H guys are: Tom - TJB/914, & Jeff Bowlsby, & Pat's old buddy in Cincinnati & OO 70 914/4 Paul (I'm half-zymering on his screen name) - & I'm also blanking right now on our member's name who did the 914-6 Registry.

It makes sense to have a coupla-more folks with varying sub-model/year expertise as O&H Mods to cover the bases better.

Cheers!
Tom
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Posted by: Tom_T Mar 13 2018, 09:19 AM

Also, it's probably better to put your well wishes for Pat at his original post which Andy linked above, & here again below:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=325692

While I don't know if Pat will look back at it again with all that he's got going on, he probably won't look at this thread at all.


Tom
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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Mar 13 2018, 09:39 AM

Wolfgang or Steve Gaglione

Posted by: Tom_T Mar 13 2018, 10:30 AM

.... also great suggestions!


Tom
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Posted by: mepstein Mar 13 2018, 10:32 AM

Mike Bellis

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 13 2018, 10:44 AM

Posted by: Dave_Darling Mar 13 2018, 10:54 AM

That's why I'm probably not a good person for that role.

--DD

Posted by: 914_teener Mar 13 2018, 11:22 AM

Posted by: KELTY360 Mar 13 2018, 11:48 AM

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Mar 13 2018, 12:08 PM

How about the Dr. himself. He knows these cars

Posted by: KELTY360 Mar 13 2018, 12:11 PM

But he's got a whole 914Club to run. How would he ever find the time?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Mar 13 2018, 12:28 PM

I think it important that someone do this that ha NO commercial interest, even though people like Dave have a lifelong love for the 914

Posted by: KELTY360 Mar 13 2018, 01:07 PM

I think anyone with a commercial interest who doesn't think they could be an impartial moderator would disqualify themselves.

Posted by: Edward Blume Mar 13 2018, 01:18 PM

I would do it although Jeff Bowlsby would be a much better person to do it, along with TomT. These guys are both tremendous resources that could each do a lot to take our cars into the twilight of their years.

What does an admin do? Jump in a post a lot of stuff? I can do that....

Posted by: Edward Blume Mar 13 2018, 01:20 PM

Would all 3 of us do it and call it a committee?

Posted by: r_towle Mar 13 2018, 07:29 PM

I think wndsnd would give the community a passionate, historic character who has been playing with porsches since I was just a boy .
Plus, he is wicked smaht

Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 13 2018, 07:35 PM

Garold has my vote.

Posted by: wndsnd Mar 13 2018, 07:57 PM

Bad joke.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Mar 13 2018, 09:33 PM

Posted by: Krieger Mar 13 2018, 09:42 PM

Didn't he get banned?

Posted by: Mueller Mar 14 2018, 08:40 AM

I've seen Mikes vehicles, the word stock or Original is not in his vocabulary

Posted by: Mike Bellis Mar 14 2018, 10:43 PM

Hey! My Targa top is all original.

Posted by: KELTY360 Mar 14 2018, 10:45 PM

CW

Posted by: armando Mar 15 2018, 05:19 AM

Thanks for the link!

Posted by: 914Next Mar 18 2018, 07:45 AM

Agree that there are some really good names mentioned here (Garold, Jeff B, Tom) Far far more knowledge and experience with these cars than most of us. I'm not fully sure what is required of the role but if there is an opportunity to help with the admin (while one or two of the guru's cover the knowledge part) I'd be willing to share some of the admin piece. I have a passion for originality and would love to see the forum grow.

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 10 2018, 03:04 PM

Who is Moderating O&H Forum now?


Tom
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Posted by: Maltese Falcon Nov 10 2018, 03:08 PM

Affirmative +2 for Dave D!!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 10 2018, 03:33 PM

Tom T would be perfect.

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Nov 10 2018, 03:48 PM

Another for Tom T, although i know how busy he really is!

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 10 2018, 05:56 PM

Sheee...oot!

I was just looking for who got appointed, not pandering for nominations folks!

It was started 8 months ago, & I'd have thought that somebody would been appointed by the in-crowd by now!

I just had a couple of suggestions for additional O&H topics which should probably be nailed threads based on recurring questions from the membership.

Thanx for the votes of confidence guys, but be careful or I may nominate you! LOL

This weekend I'm busy playing with our "new to us" camping trailer - the "Lil' Pucker" - so we'll be ready for her 1st vintage trailers camp-out with us next weekend! I had the Westy gone thru & a few things checked & done by my guy Hans, so hopefully all will go well, if slooowly with the 4 squirrels in the engine bay working extra hard towing that 700 lbs of trailer plus all of our gear & us in the Westy!

It just followed us home a couple of weekends ago looking for a good home & caretakers!
Some lady appears to be hanging her head out the back window though!


.... yet another thing to research & get up to speed on!
.


Tom
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Posted by: Mark Henry Nov 10 2018, 08:11 PM

Another nomination prospect would be davep.
Dave is our resident historian.

Posted by: orthobiz Nov 11 2018, 06:46 AM

Brad Mayeur knows the cars inside and out. Runs a repair/restoration business and sells his longs kit, but I'm sure could be an impartial judge for the thread. Nobody has the thread-starting talent of Pat, though.

BTW, did he ever sell Fritz??

Paul

Posted by: Mike Bellis Nov 11 2018, 05:56 PM

I didn't even know we had an "Originality" forum...

Should be a small group since most of these are no longer original...

Posted by: dcheek Nov 12 2018, 06:33 AM

Steve Gaglione personifies the term "original" regarding 914's. Plus he's a great guy. Come on Steve, step up to the plate!

Dave

Posted by: orthobiz Nov 12 2018, 11:07 AM

As does Dave!!!

Paul

Posted by: SirAndy Nov 12 2018, 12:23 PM

Keep up the peer pressure guys, we need a new moderator ...



@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=10181 @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=121 @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=104 @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=1244 @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=1695

Posted by: JeffBowlsby Nov 12 2018, 01:14 PM

Not me...I'm leaving the opportunity door open for others...I addition to the above nominations:

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=17695
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=4947
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=116

Posted by: 914_teener Nov 12 2018, 03:05 PM

I'm okay with everyone hacking up their teeners.

That'll leave me with the only one close to original.


AND....Bump for Jeff Bowlsby for moderator....

Posted by: Dave_Darling Nov 12 2018, 04:27 PM

Sorry, I don't think I'm a good person for that role.

--DD

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 13 2018, 10:41 AM

.

"JeffBowlsby
Not me...I'm leaving the opportunity door open for others...I addition to the above nominations:

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=17695
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=4947 @autoatlanta.com
@Ferg"

We have a lot of folks with deep knowledge & some who have set-up great 914 knowledge bases - like DaveP's 914-6 site, Jeff Bowlsby's sites, & Steve (don't know his "handle" on here??) who has p914.com (& .net & .org) - which are all go to 914 resources.

Many have areas in which they're the go-to expertise beyond a broad 914 knowledge base, such as Davep on 914-6, gustl on all things Europe/Germany, Dave K on the `73 MY "914 Sport", Jeff B on LEs & Harnesses & everything else he's collected on 914s, Steve/p914.com on colors & what came on 914s in which MYs, George H/AA on all things 914, 916s, etc.; & a bunch of others - including a few of the older members on here who were around as teens/adults when 914s were new & remember stuff from the old days (Paul, larmore, me, others & even Pat G.).

However, many of us have busy careers & other commitments cutting into our available time to act as a Mod of O&H at present.

Might I suggest that there could be a joint set of 2 or more co-moderators, with the others serving as resources to chime in when there is time & something within their scope of 914 expertise as an O&H Experts Panel or something of the sort - similar to what PCA does for their car/model expertise panel?

Frankly, our cadre on here probably knows more than the 914 expert(s) at PCA, so this could build upon that resource.

Just a thought for the Admins to consider - breaking up &/or sharing the O&H Forum Mod duties & adding support folks for them.

I can serve in a supporting role, but am too buried with running my business & other stuff for now to be a solo O&H Mod. Heck, I can't even get my 914 out to work on or get to the shops for resto since 2012 until I get stuff reworked here on our home resto/etc. project!

Cheers!
Tom
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Posted by: Mark Henry Nov 13 2018, 11:09 AM

We can have more than one mod on a forum, That breaks up the workload a bit.

Posted by: bbrock Nov 13 2018, 12:05 PM

I think whoever said the above should definitely be on the moderator team I've pretty much worn out those nailed topics researching details for my resto. Would love to see that tradition continued and expanded.

Posted by: mepstein Nov 13 2018, 01:23 PM

I could do it.


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Posted by: AZBanks Nov 13 2018, 05:01 PM

It might help some people feel comfortable if they knew what the exact job requirements are.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 13 2018, 05:14 PM

seeing how little activity there is there, (just like the 914 club) maybe the originality history should be folded in to the garage, that way everyone who knows anything could make a comment right away rather than having to remember to go to the other discussion page.

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Nov 13 2018, 07:28 PM

Slippery slope. Merge these two, then two more, then all of a sudden everything is on the same few pages. Sorry doc, bad idea, imo! Originally(pun intended), to the best of my memory, there was only one forum. It got to be a real busy place.

Posted by: 914Next Nov 13 2018, 07:33 PM

Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 13 2018, 10:04 PM

Looks sorta original Mark!

Posted by: mepstein Nov 14 2018, 08:09 AM

Have to believe.


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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 14 2018, 09:09 AM

Totally agree,. Tom T takes a lot of his time researching 914 information and posts it in its truest form, if toting the factory line is bad then anyone restoring a 914 to concours perfection or near it is bad , and that is just not true.

Because Tom is keen on originality and history, he would be perfect as moderator PLUS he has no commercial interest, as some of you say


I still think that the forums should be merged, that way we could all share in answering questions, even the guys who butcher their 914s! (LOL)

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 15 2018, 02:36 PM

Yes, that would help, but I still cannot do this right now - but would be willing to help out, as I said in a prior post.


Tom
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Posted by: Tom_T Nov 15 2018, 02:41 PM

I don't think so George, because they cover two different areas, just like not merging the track/AX forum, parts FS, cars FS, etc. forums with the Garage.

IMHO it's better to start at the Garage if someone has the question on anything - if they don't know to go to the O&H Forum (or the 914club Concours one) - then be directed to look there.

That seems to be the flow, & there is more activity in that regard - looking for the reference topics - than posting questions &/or other types of topics directly as new topics over on O&H - which is probably what you see as "activity".

Unfortunately the mere act of searching & reading O&H topics doesn't register as "activity" - but it goes on!



Tom
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Posted by: Mark Henry Nov 15 2018, 03:45 PM

Tom T why don't you talk to davep and see if you can split the duties.
Dave was the president or treasurer of the PCA UCR back when it started in the late 70's.

With two mods the work would be manageable. You don't have to answer a question that the other mod or a member has answered correctly.
Also the O&H forum doesn't see the traffic like the Garage.

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 15 2018, 05:13 PM

Mark,

Due to my current schedule, I'm limited to only helping in a supporting role, in addition to the obvious lightening rod which I seem to be for some members, being a real PITA for me.

When I do chime in, it's either additive or not yet answered, as I look at & pass on a bunch of posts which are either answered, or are outside my expertise.

Again - I think that there are a number of people on here with various areas of 914 O&H expertise, which would best be combined in the role as an O&H Panel.


Tom
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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 15 2018, 05:22 PM

I nominate Tom T

Posted by: Dion Nov 15 2018, 06:33 PM

Tom...... my vote. When you have time.

Posted by: davep Nov 18 2018, 07:09 AM

I'm willing to give it a try if you guys will have me.

Posted by: dcheek Nov 18 2018, 07:55 AM

You got my vote.

Dave

Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 18 2018, 09:19 AM

Perfect!

Posted by: Mike Bellis Nov 18 2018, 10:19 PM

The motion carries!

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 19 2018, 12:50 AM

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Nov 19 2018, 09:10 AM

Posted by: SirAndy Nov 19 2018, 12:22 PM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=1244
I'll shoot you a PM today ...

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 19 2018, 12:30 PM

Thanx Dave!


Tom
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Posted by: SirAndy Nov 19 2018, 01:40 PM

Did some cleanup on his thread ...

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 19 2018, 01:45 PM

isle 6

and congrats Dave

Posted by: bbrock Nov 19 2018, 05:41 PM

Related to the low activity conundrum, I ran a little experiment. I posted my Seatbelt Resto thread in O&H but after 2 days of no love, I posted the exact thread over here where it quickly wracked up 14 replies. Our new mderator (thanks Dave!) has since replied to the original in O&H but this does illustrate Tom's point that it is better to post the questions in the Garage and use O&H as reference.

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 19 2018, 07:58 PM

Hey Brent,

I thought that I answered your O&H seat belt resto question on repro labels & "PRESS" decals last week!?

.... or did you post another question after that one?

I was away last weekend camping without internet, so wasn't on here Fri-Sun.

If you were looking for something like shops to restore seat belts, then the Garage Forum may get more answers.

Whereas a question about which item or labels/decals etc. is correct - then that fits in the O&H Forum - unless you want 100 "personal opinions" of what everybody thinks is correct!

Cheers!
Tom
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Posted by: bbrock Nov 19 2018, 08:05 PM

You did Tom, but even you replied to the one in the Garage forum that I posted two days later. I hope my comment didn't come across as a complaint. It is only an observaton.

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 19 2018, 08:15 PM

No, not at all Brent.

I was just clarifying on my previous point - that some questions are better asked in the O&H Forum, while other are better in the Garage Forum - & using your seat belts questions as the example.

Each of the 2 forums have their place, & are the more appropriate forum for their respective area of expertise - just as with the Race/AX folks on their Forum here.

I think that the largest share of members are either occasional or weekend drivers, DDers, a bunch of modifier wrenches, etc. - then there are smaller contingents who are hardcore racers/AXers, or originality/restorers, concours people, etc.

But there still should be a place for all on here.


Tom
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Posted by: davep Nov 19 2018, 08:59 PM

Not sure if this was directed at me; not sure if there is a percentage in behaving.
However, I am well experienced at babysitting; children, grandchildren. and great grandchildren. A past president of Upper Canada region PCA & a past president of the Poodle Club of Canada (ever try to break up multiple concurrent cat fights?)

Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 19 2018, 09:00 PM

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 19 2018, 09:12 PM

Poodle Club of Canada Prez, Eh, Dave!?

Then you'll know what a "Moyan" is!?
... (aka "Kanish" [sp??])



Well, you're obviously overqualified as a past PCA president!

Cheers!
Tom
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Posted by: Mark Henry Nov 19 2018, 10:05 PM

Dave's a good guy for the job

Posted by: Dave_Darling Nov 19 2018, 10:10 PM

Indeed, I think his previous experience will all come in handy keeping us spoiled kids in line!!!

Congrats, Dave!

--DD

Posted by: davep Nov 24 2018, 07:58 PM

Thanks for all of the support guys. I've been digging into the forum to become more familiar with it.
Tom, yes, the moyen is the variety that we breed; whites & silvers mostly. Caniche.
Mark, many thanks for prodding me to step forward.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Nov 24 2018, 09:51 PM

Yeah I did Tom, but took a while.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Nov 24 2018, 09:59 PM

I am so very pleased to see Dave p take over the O forum. I hate it that I can rarely participate with this group because it has meant so much to me through the years.

My body and heart will not let me do what I could do even 6 years ago, and my wife had PD and dementia. Every day is a challenge. Thanks to all of you through the years.

Looks like my car will be coming up for sale soon, with all the NOS and restored parts. Not certain when that may be, but soon.

Thanks all of you! P

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 25 2018, 09:54 AM

Thanx for all your years serving us here on the O&H details which you lived!

Wish you & your wife the best.

You are missed!

Tom
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