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Posted by: sixaddict Apr 21 2018, 02:12 AM
I have seen this at shop but do not remember how it was done. Have engine /trans removed for some chassis reinforcement work and will be moving car around...
What is best way to suspend axles so they are not "flopping" around.... ( I do not want to remove ---too lazy 
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TIA
Posted by: saigon71 Apr 21 2018, 04:43 AM
I have seen this at shop but do not remember how it was done. Have engine /trans removed for some chassis reinforcement work and will be moving car around...
What is best way to suspend axles so they are not "flopping" around.... ( I do not want to remove ---too lazy
)TIA
I used loops of safety wire attached to the rear shock coils to hold them up.
Posted by: wndsrfr Apr 21 2018, 05:09 AM
I have seen this at shop but do not remember how it was done. Have engine /trans removed for some chassis reinforcement work and will be moving car around...
What is best way to suspend axles so they are not "flopping" around.... ( I do not want to remove ---too lazy
)TIA
Cut hoops out of a one quart Clorox bottle, suspend with a strap, bit of lube & good to go...
Posted by: cuddy_k Apr 21 2018, 05:19 AM
Tangerine has a kit. Way more spendy than the Clorox bottles, but...
http://www.tangerineracing.com/tools.htm
Posted by: Edward Blume Apr 21 2018, 05:59 AM
Wire coat hangers.
Posted by: North Coast Jim Apr 21 2018, 07:00 AM
Ditto on the wire coat hanger. I also added rubber/nytril (sp) gloves over the exposed CV joint to keep out the crud. Looks kind of funny with a blue "hand" covering the CV.
Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 21 2018, 07:10 AM
A piece of pvc pipe, just big enough to go over the CVs, cut to the maximum so you slide it on one axle just clearing the other side and then center it on both axles.
Posted by: Mike Bellis Apr 21 2018, 07:17 AM
Too lazy? All these fixes take just as long...
Coat hanger and some bending is all you need. I would also recommend double sandwich bags over the CV's...
Posted by: mtndawg Apr 21 2018, 08:36 AM
Zip ties
Posted by: toolguy Apr 21 2018, 08:44 AM
hang a section of 1/2 inch metal conduit from the top of the shock springs across the bottom of the trunk. . zip tie rod to springs, then zip tie the CV's to this bar. .
Easy, clean and secure. . plastic bags over each CV first. .
Posted by: Dave_Darling Apr 21 2018, 12:42 PM
If you're removing the drivetrain, you can easily use wires (or string, or zip ties, or whatever you have handy) to suspend the axles from the transmission mounting brackets. Super easy. Cover the CV joints so dirt doesn't get in, and so you don't wind up with CV grease stains on your work clothes.
If you know you're not going to be moving the car around, it's not fatal to just let them hang, but it is better to tie them up.
--DD
Posted by: 914werke Apr 21 2018, 01:00 PM
A piece of pvc pipe, just big enough to go over the CVs, cut to the maximum so you slide it on one axle just clearing the other side and then center it on both axles.
While I agree with Dave if moving it a (very) short distance wont be to bad I tend to be cautious here because replacing those bearing is a PITA
Keven's recommendation is a good one. Like $8 at your favorite HM improvement warehouse you can PU a 6" (?) PVC pipe section (like 8') that you measure & cut each end off of. They slide perfectly into the openings in each Trailing arm with the flared end in the middle that mates.
I personally used this method in a pinch transporting a car from OR to WA.
The plastic was spent by the time I arrived but it worked, & bearings were just fine.
Posted by: 914werke Apr 23 2018, 07:16 PM
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Posted by: bandjoey Apr 23 2018, 08:02 PM
this works too.
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Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 23 2018, 08:41 PM
I use bungees also
Posted by: Costa05 Apr 24 2018, 06:00 PM
Ratcheting tie down strap between lt and rt coils, then coat hangers for hanging the axles from the strap.
Posted by: Racer Chris Apr 24 2018, 07:55 PM
I used to use a cardboard tube, just large enough in dia for the cvs to fit inside.
It doesn't have to extend all the way to both trailing arms as shown with the PVC pipe.
Whatever is the longest single piece that can be installed without challenge will do just fine.
While expensive in comparison, my axle tool beats all the other techniques hands down.
I only invented it because I've tried all the other methods mentioned, and got tired of the shortcomings.
Posted by: 914forme Apr 24 2018, 08:20 PM
You could get an extra set of stubs and just pull you CVs and stubs out, install the new stubs and you have the best of both worlds.
Also let you check and see if your inner CVs need a bit of TLC. Mark them and swap side to side to run them in a different pattern.
That Being Said, Chris' stuff is very nice if you need to keep one mobile for long periods of time.
Posted by: Larmo63 Apr 24 2018, 08:25 PM
I used bungee cords too along with tin foil around the messy end(s).
Posted by: mgphoto Apr 25 2018, 03:37 PM
Tangerine is the best option, used it for 3 years on mine!
Posted by: 914werke Apr 25 2018, 10:56 PM
It doesn't have to extend all the way to both trailing arms as shown with the PVC pipe.
Whatever is the longest single piece that can be installed without challenge will do just fine. While expensive in comparison, my axle tool beats all the other techniques hands down. I only invented it because I've tried all the other methods mentioned, and got tired of the shortcomings.
While there is no doubt of the quality of the product you offer Chris... $190!!!
Hard to justify that kind of expense compared to the the solution I posted as example.
As to using a spare set of stubs, Id prefer to do that but sometimes its not warranted. Often it can be a real PITA just to remove the nut.
Posted by: Bartlett 914 Apr 26 2018, 07:19 AM
Best Idea I have seen so far, Keeps the CV's clean also
Posted by: Racer Chris Apr 26 2018, 07:24 AM
While there is no doubt of the quality of the product you offer Chris... $190!!!
Hard to justify that kind of expense compared to the the solution I posted as example.
I raised the price recently because the cost of powdercoating is substantial. Maybe I should offer them uncoated for $50 less.
The value depends mostly on how long you'll have the engine out of the car and how much you'll need to roll the tub around.
IMO, a long cardboard/PVC tube is far better than the coat hanger/bungee method when it comes to rolling the car around.
But it lacks one feature - mine raises the shafts up high enough to easily crawl under them to work in the engine compartment.
Posted by: maf914 Apr 26 2018, 08:07 AM
914werke,
Interesting solution. What diameter PVC pipe is that? Thanks.
I copied the photos, blew up the view, but could not read the print on the pipes.
A quick look at the Lowe's site indicates a 10 ft length of 4"dia is $11 and 6"dia is $35.
Posted by: 914werke Apr 26 2018, 10:05 AM
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Posted by: mb911 Apr 26 2018, 10:37 AM
While there is no doubt of the quality of the product you offer Chris... $190!!!
Hard to justify that kind of expense compared to the the solution I posted as example.
I raised the price recently because the cost of powdercoating is substantial. Maybe I should offer them uncoated for $50 less.
The value depends mostly on how long you'll have the engine out of the car and how much you'll need to roll the tub around.
IMO, a long cardboard/PVC tube is far better than the coat hanger/bungee method when it comes to rolling the car around.
But it lacks one feature - mine raises the shafts up high enough to easily crawl under them to work in the engine compartment.
Agreed 100%
Powder painting and all the things behind the scenes plus the fact volume of sales is relative small makes producing cool parts like this hard to make any money on.
Posted by: mb911 Apr 26 2018, 10:37 AM
While there is no doubt of the quality of the product you offer Chris... $190!!!
Hard to justify that kind of expense compared to the the solution I posted as example.
I raised the price recently because the cost of powdercoating is substantial. Maybe I should offer them uncoated for $50 less.
The value depends mostly on how long you'll have the engine out of the car and how much you'll need to roll the tub around.
IMO, a long cardboard/PVC tube is far better than the coat hanger/bungee method when it comes to rolling the car around.
But it lacks one feature - mine raises the shafts up high enough to easily crawl under them to work in the engine compartment.
Agreed 100%
Powder painting and all the things behind the scenes plus the fact volume of sales is relative small makes producing cool parts like this hard to make any money on.
Sorry should clarify this message was to defend racer chris prices..
Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 26 2018, 11:18 AM
I didn't mean to imply using the PVC for rolling transport. As Chris mentioned, superior for pushing the car around than other methods.
Posted by: rdauenhauer Apr 26 2018, 11:26 AM
I don't think there is an argument.
Quality parts cost $ that temporary solutions dont.
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 26 2018, 12:19 PM
I like the PVC solution for short term, Chris' for longer.
My swayAway axles still have the pretty powder coat on them and I don't want to scratch them up.
Edit: damn just checked, my 108mm cv's are 4-1/4" so I'd need 6" PVC.
Posted by: Racer Chris Apr 26 2018, 12:37 PM
Edit: damn just checked, my 108mm cv's are 4-1/4" so I'd need 6" PVC.
The flanges on my tool have 3 sets of holes to accommodate the various CVs we use.
A 4.5" od steel tube would do the trick for your big CVs. A couple of split rings made of wood to insert in the ends would keep the tube away from the axle shafts.
Posted by: sixaddict Apr 28 2018, 05:43 AM
I like this one (pvc) !!! Almost always transporting without engine and this allows to turn and not flop.
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