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Posted by: David Stowers May 2 2018, 11:52 AM

Hi
What are you getting and from what size and spec aircooled engine ?
I'll start

My 1911cc with mild cam and twin 40 Dellortos, 050 distributor and Bursch exhaust gave 115bhp last time it was on the rollers

Posted by: GeorgeRud May 2 2018, 11:55 AM

199.5 rear wheel hp from a modified 2.7 911 Engine.

Posted by: mepstein May 2 2018, 12:06 PM

240hp at the crank.
7K redline.

Posted by: thelogo May 2 2018, 01:07 PM

I have sir keiths old big /4

2366 with webbers ,header etc

Keith said its was making about 145 horse .


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Posted by: raynekat May 2 2018, 04:34 PM

228hp at the flywheel with the 2687cc six

Posted by: poorsche914 May 2 2018, 04:51 PM

Raby-built 2056 with dual Weber 44 IDFs

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Posted by: Andyrew May 2 2018, 05:10 PM

Fully built Audi 1.8t running on a way to big turbo and low boost.
~375

High boost will be up way, way up there. Details in my build thread.

Posted by: RJMII May 2 2018, 06:20 PM

~550 - 600hp, 4g63 Mitsubishi engine. Details in my build thread.

Posted by: Boomingbeetle May 2 2018, 06:56 PM

I think y’all missed the “air cooled” spec in the first post... but hey, my 455ci bored .03 over puts down 600+ ft-lbs. it would never fit in the 914...

Posted by: Mblizzard May 2 2018, 07:21 PM

Not running yet but hoping for 130+ from my 2.3 with MicroSquirt. But more importantly I am looking for torque!

Posted by: mepstein May 2 2018, 08:02 PM

QUOTE(Boomingbeetle @ May 2 2018, 08:56 PM) *

I think y’all missed the “air cooled” spec in the first post... but hey, my 455ci bored .03 over puts down 600+ ft-lbs. it would never fit in the 914...

Raynekat and mine are air cooled P6's.

Posted by: phillstek May 2 2018, 08:05 PM

3.2: 235.5 @ 6440

Posted by: SirAndy May 2 2018, 08:14 PM

QUOTE(David Stowers @ May 2 2018, 10:52 AM) *
What are you getting and from what size and spec aircooled engine ?

305 at the flywheel according to the guys i bought the engine from, never confirmed that number though.

3.6L /6

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Posted by: 914Toy May 2 2018, 09:00 PM

QUOTE(GeorgeRud @ May 2 2018, 10:55 AM) *

199.5 rear wheel hp from a modified 2.7 911 Engine.


What modifications? I have ‘77 2.7 stock except withWebers and Street compatible cams.

Posted by: thelogo May 2 2018, 09:02 PM

QUOTE(poorsche914 @ May 2 2018, 03:51 PM) *

Raby-built 2056 with dual Weber 44 IDFs

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Not bad

But i just realized ive never had my engine over 4200 rpm

Couldn't imagine reving into the 5k -6k and 7k's rpms


So i guess ive never really felt the power


Posted by: mskala May 2 2018, 09:25 PM

I have not had it checked. 2.3L 6-cyl, car weighs about 2300 with me in it,
and I can do 0-60 in 6.6sec (still in 2nd gear). Maybe 150-155?

Posted by: ConeDodger May 2 2018, 09:34 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 2 2018, 11:14 PM) *

QUOTE(David Stowers @ May 2 2018, 10:52 AM) *
What are you getting and from what size and spec aircooled engine ?

305 at the flywheel according to the guys i bought the engine from, never confirmed that number though.

3.6L /6

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207 per the factory spec. Andy had to remind me of his 100 more HP... sad.gif

Factory stock 3.2 Carrera motor. Oh, with some MSDS headers so probably 220! Take that Andy! evilgrin.gif

Posted by: SO.O.C914er May 2 2018, 09:42 PM

Interesting conversation here. I’m with ya I couldn’t imagine taking my 2056 up to 6k maybe 5k. I generally shift right at about 4000 to 4500 high side.

Posted by: ConeDodger May 2 2018, 09:49 PM

QUOTE(SO.O.C914er @ May 3 2018, 12:42 AM) *

Interesting conversation here. I’m with ya I couldn’t imagine taking my 2056 up to 6k maybe 5k. I generally shift right at about 4000 to 4500 high side.


Y’all better hope Jake doesn’t come around here callin’ out pussies... drive it like you stole it! evilgrin.gif

Posted by: porschetub May 2 2018, 11:11 PM

QUOTE(thelogo @ May 3 2018, 03:02 PM) *

QUOTE(poorsche914 @ May 2 2018, 03:51 PM) *

Raby-built 2056 with dual Weber 44 IDFs

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Not bad

But i just realized ive never had my engine over 4200 rpm

Couldn't imagine reving into the 5k -6k and 7k's rpms


So i guess ive never really felt the power



What really....,you say some weird stuff hard to sort the cr#p from what you really mean to say...maybe I'am not taking it in properly,just had to say,sorry if I don't take it in ? beer3.gif smoke.gif smoke.gif .

Posted by: porschetub May 2 2018, 11:25 PM

Only guessing but 2.2t strong motor with headers and carb upgrade ,bum seat feels like it after many cars built in this HP range,reckon 135hp,works for me fine.

Posted by: Mike Bellis May 2 2018, 11:29 PM

650hp. T1 engine with 50hp + a 600 shot of NOS. aktion035.gif

Posted by: Justin Fischer May 3 2018, 01:17 AM

Original 2.0 rebuilt to 2.0E with Webers. 120 at the wheels. Ancient dyno video in my signature...

Posted by: The Cabinetmaker May 3 2018, 07:00 AM

QUOTE(porschetub @ May 3 2018, 12:11 AM) *

QUOTE(thelogo @ May 3 2018, 03:02 PM) *

QUOTE(poorsche914 @ May 2 2018, 03:51 PM) *

Raby-built 2056 with dual Weber 44 IDFs

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driving.gif




Not bad

But i just realized ive never had my engine over 4200 rpm

Couldn't imagine reving into the 5k -6k and 7k's rpms


So i guess ive never really felt the power



What really....,you say some weird stuff hard to sort the cr#p from what you really mean to say...maybe I'am not taking it in properly,just had to say,sorry if I don't take it in ? beer3.gif smoke.gif smoke.gif .

You said it right, tub.

Posted by: JmuRiz May 3 2018, 08:14 AM

QUOTE(Justin Fischer @ May 2 2018, 11:17 PM) *

Original 2.0 rebuilt to 2.0E with Webers. 120 at the wheels. Ancient dyno video in my signature.

Good to see you still on here, it's been a LONG time since we last met up!!!

Posted by: brant May 3 2018, 08:36 AM

april fools was last month...

are people pulling my leg that they don't ever see 5,000rpm?
crazy


mine is around 180, at 7,800 rpm (has valve train to protect up to 9K)
1800 lbs... 2 liters!

Posted by: poorsche914 May 3 2018, 08:46 AM

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ May 2 2018, 11:49 PM) *
QUOTE(SO.O.C914er @ May 3 2018, 12:42 AM) *
Interesting conversation here. I’m with ya I couldn’t imagine taking my 2056 up to 6k maybe 5k. I generally shift right at about 4000 to 4500 high side.

Y’all better hope Jake doesn’t come around here callin’ out pussies... drive it like you stole it! evilgrin.gif

Jake actually told me to shift around 4200. I generally shift in the mid 4000 range. Power starts to drop off after that.

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Posted by: mb911 May 3 2018, 08:57 AM

QUOTE(brant @ May 3 2018, 06:36 AM) *

april fools was last month...

are people pulling my leg that they don't ever see 5,000rpm?
crazy


mine is around 180, at 7,800 rpm (has valve train to protect up to 9K)
1800 lbs... 2 liters!

agree.gif wth.. Though been many years since I had a type 4 the tech now around can sustain big numbers and longevity to intended redline..

Those that don't drive like that baffle me but I do understand just the cruzing mentality.. Just not entirely my thing.

Posted by: Mblizzard May 3 2018, 09:11 AM

QUOTE(poorsche914 @ May 3 2018, 06:46 AM) *

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ May 2 2018, 11:49 PM) *
QUOTE(SO.O.C914er @ May 3 2018, 12:42 AM) *
Interesting conversation here. I’m with ya I couldn’t imagine taking my 2056 up to 6k maybe 5k. I generally shift right at about 4000 to 4500 high side.

Y’all better hope Jake doesn’t come around here callin’ out pussies... drive it like you stole it! evilgrin.gif

Jake actually told me to shift around 4200. I generally shift in the mid 4000 range. Power starts to drop off after that.

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Which would be correct looking at the dyno information. Up until that range you see the substantial increases in torque and HP in relation to increased RPM. After that point, you begin see limited return in HP and lower torque. So while it is fun to rev it up to 6K+ but that time would be better spent in the area of the curve where your torque and HP increasing with RPM. But I could be wrong.

Posted by: mepstein May 3 2018, 09:14 AM

QUOTE(Mblizzard @ May 3 2018, 11:11 AM) *

QUOTE(poorsche914 @ May 3 2018, 06:46 AM) *

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ May 2 2018, 11:49 PM) *
QUOTE(SO.O.C914er @ May 3 2018, 12:42 AM) *
Interesting conversation here. I’m with ya I couldn’t imagine taking my 2056 up to 6k maybe 5k. I generally shift right at about 4000 to 4500 high side.

Y’all better hope Jake doesn’t come around here callin’ out pussies... drive it like you stole it! evilgrin.gif

Jake actually told me to shift around 4200. I generally shift in the mid 4000 range. Power starts to drop off after that.

driving.gif


Which would be correct looking at the dyno information. Up until that range you see the substantial increases in torque and HP in relation to increased RPM. After that point, you begin see limited return in HP and lower torque. So while it is fun to rev it up to 6K+ but that time would be better spent in the area of the curve where your torque and HP increasing with RPM. But I could be wrong.

It depends.

Posted by: mskala May 3 2018, 09:15 AM

QUOTE(poorsche914 @ May 3 2018, 10:46 AM) *

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ May 2 2018, 11:49 PM) *
QUOTE(SO.O.C914er @ May 3 2018, 12:42 AM) *
Interesting conversation here. I’m with ya I couldn’t imagine taking my 2056 up to 6k maybe 5k. I generally shift right at about 4000 to 4500 high side.

Y’all better hope Jake doesn’t come around here callin’ out pussies... drive it like you stole it! evilgrin.gif

Jake actually told me to shift around 4200. I generally shift in the mid 4000 range. Power starts to drop off after that.

driving.gif


Your own chart shows power increasing well past that. Your torque # seems to max out
there, so acceleration in that gear would then start to decrease. But when you shift up
it will be much lower wheel torque due to the gear. Most of us would go for the higher
RPM and more fun. I'm sure Jake built the motor to deal with it.

Posted by: poorsche914 May 3 2018, 09:20 AM

QUOTE(mskala @ May 3 2018, 11:15 AM) *

QUOTE(poorsche914 @ May 3 2018, 10:46 AM) *

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ May 2 2018, 11:49 PM) *
QUOTE(SO.O.C914er @ May 3 2018, 12:42 AM) *
Interesting conversation here. I’m with ya I couldn’t imagine taking my 2056 up to 6k maybe 5k. I generally shift right at about 4000 to 4500 high side.
Y’all better hope Jake doesn’t come around here callin’ out pussies... drive it like you stole it! evilgrin.gif
Jake actually told me to shift around 4200. I generally shift in the mid 4000 range. Power starts to drop off after that.

driving.gif

Your own chart shows power increasing well past that. Your torque # seems to max out there, so acceleration in that gear would then start to decrease. But when you shift up it will be much lower wheel torque due to the gear. Most of us would go for the higher RPM and more fun. I'm sure Jake built the motor to deal with it.

I'll see Jake this weekend. I'll ask him about max safe RPM for my engine.

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Posted by: sb914 May 3 2018, 09:42 AM

My 73 1.7 Around 80hp of raw power! 0-60 around 1/2 hour driving.gif

Posted by: Marv's3.6six May 3 2018, 09:53 AM

QUOTE(David Stowers @ May 2 2018, 10:52 AM) *

Hi
What are you getting and from what size and spec aircooled engine ?
I'll start

My 1911cc with mild cam and twin 40 Dellortos, 050 distributor and Bursch exhaust gave 115bhp last time it was on the rollers



325-350 est. 3.6/6 modded. Makes beautiful noise at 6800 rpm. Details in signature.

Posted by: theer May 3 2018, 09:53 AM

QUOTE(David Stowers @ May 2 2018, 01:52 PM) *


My 1911cc with mild cam and twin 40 Dellortos, 050 distributor and Bursch exhaust gave 115bhp last time it was on the rollers


I have pretty much the exact same set up, but with Webers instead of Dellortos. Haven't dyno'ed it ever, but the butt sensor says around 100bhp. Zero to 60 is.. well... not something we need to talk about here. laugh.gif

Posted by: Justinp71 May 3 2018, 10:22 AM

QUOTE(phillstek @ May 2 2018, 07:05 PM) *

3.2: 235.5 @ 6440


Pretty good for 3.2, is this at the flywheel or Crank? Is this Motronic or Carbs?


Posted by: 914 RZ-1 May 3 2018, 10:33 AM

How does one go about finding out torque and HP? Are there any shops that do this in the northern LA area? What does it cost?

I have a stock 1.7L, but it would be nice to know how close I am to the factory numbers.

Posted by: slivel May 3 2018, 10:40 AM

3.4 twin plug, Weber 46's.

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Posted by: bbrock May 3 2018, 11:00 AM

QUOTE(theer @ May 3 2018, 09:53 AM) *

QUOTE(David Stowers @ May 2 2018, 01:52 PM) *


My 1911cc with mild cam and twin 40 Dellortos, 050 distributor and Bursch exhaust gave 115bhp last time it was on the rollers


I have pretty much the exact same set up, but with Webers instead of Dellortos. Haven't dyno'ed it ever, but the butt sensor says around 100bhp. Zero to 60 is.. well... not something we need to talk about here. laugh.gif


That is my setup as well but I'm getting exactly zero hp out of my engine. I think the problem might be lack of compression due to a 1,000 mile gap between my heads and cylinder tops. Hopefully soon the heads will come home from Sonoma and I can fix that. What pistons are you guys running? I was guessing that with euro flat tops, the mild cam, Weber 40IDFs and the Bursch that I'd be making around 110 hp? My goal is to be able to spank all the smug bicyclists around here in 0-60. laugh.gif

Posted by: RJMII May 3 2018, 12:31 PM

QUOTE(Boomingbeetle @ May 2 2018, 06:56 PM) *

I think y’all missed the “air cooled” spec in the first post... but hey, my 455ci bored .03 over puts down 600+ ft-lbs. it would never fit in the 914...


Heh, you're right. I missed that part... still, though... my 2.4 i4 is in my 914

Posted by: Justinp71 May 3 2018, 12:44 PM

QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ May 2 2018, 10:29 PM) *

650hp. T1 engine with 50hp + a 600 shot of NOS. aktion035.gif


Sounds like a recipe for a grenade?

I was surprised you can add a draw thru turbo cheap on a vw type 1 to double the hp. I had a 2110 running about 15lbs of boost was about 240hp I think

Posted by: Elliot Cannon May 3 2018, 03:56 PM

Mine was built by FAT Performance 15 years ago. Dyno. test showed 147 hp at 5500rpm. 2.2 liter type IV with 44idf Webers. 8.25:1 CR. Good low end torque and fun engine to drive. driving.gif

(Holy $hit, that was 15 years ago)??!!!! shades.gif

Posted by: ValcoOscar May 3 2018, 04:42 PM

Who cares...this is how I measure my HP

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Posted by: phillstek May 3 2018, 05:20 PM

QUOTE(Justinp71 @ May 4 2018, 03:22 AM) *

QUOTE(phillstek @ May 2 2018, 07:05 PM) *

3.2: 235.5 @ 6440


Pretty good for 3.2, is this at the flywheel or Crank? Is this Motronic or Carbs?


At the crank. Motronic, 10.2 Mahle Nickasil P&Cs, Web 20/21 camshafts and Tangerine Evo 6 headers. Small port heads.

Date on the dyno sheet is when they installed the dyno. My power runs were done in November 2017.


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Posted by: Mueller May 3 2018, 06:24 PM

0 HP , motor still laying in pieces on work bench sad.gif I'd be content with ~90HP right now ... another month maybe?

Posted by: Justinp71 May 4 2018, 12:22 PM

QUOTE(phillstek @ May 3 2018, 04:20 PM) *

QUOTE(Justinp71 @ May 4 2018, 03:22 AM) *

QUOTE(phillstek @ May 2 2018, 07:05 PM) *

3.2: 235.5 @ 6440


Pretty good for 3.2, is this at the flywheel or Crank? Is this Motronic or Carbs?


At the crank. Motronic, 10.2 Mahle Nickasil P&Cs, Web 20/21 camshafts and Tangerine Evo 6 headers. Small port heads.

Date on the dyno sheet is when they installed the dyno. My power runs were done in November 2017.


Nice! I'm running a warmed over 3.2 also, but I have PMO carbs. Pluses and minuses I guess... gets terrible mpg, but oh man the sound! Luckily its not my dd.

Posted by: mmascari May 4 2018, 03:14 PM

I'd be interested to see what my engine puts out. It's a 3.0 with J&E pistons (10.5:1), webcam GE60 cams and PMO 46mm. It is actually pretty sluggish until around 3k RPM then it kicks in. Not the best for driving around town.

Posted by: porschetub May 4 2018, 05:50 PM

QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ May 4 2018, 09:56 AM) *

Mine was built by FAT Performance 15 years ago. Dyno. test showed 147 hp at 5500rpm. 2.2 liter type IV with 44idf Webers. 8.25:1 CR. Good low end torque and fun engine to drive. driving.gif

(Holy $hit, that was 15 years ago)??!!!! shades.gif


Good figures for a 2.2,everthing I have read about there engines points to them being bullet proof.
A friend had a 3.0 FAT T4 in his buggy he imported from the USA ,it made huge power and cleaned up where ever he raced it in my country.

Posted by: Rav914 May 4 2018, 10:24 PM

QUOTE(David Stowers @ May 2 2018, 10:52 AM) *

Hi
What are you getting and from what size and spec aircooled engine ?
I'll start

My 1911cc with mild cam and twin 40 Dellortos, 050 distributor and Bursch exhaust gave 115bhp last time it was on the rollers


That's good to see. I have a similar setup. Differences are 40IDF's with 28mm venturis, 9550 cam and Mallory Unilite.

Based on previous 912's and 911T's I've owned/driven, I'd say I'm in the same ballpark. This 914 is quicker. Was in a backroads drive a few years back with a couple of 356 S90's behind me. They couldn't hang.

Wish list would be better exhaust. I don't like the Bursch.

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