Listed on there with 15K price and 123K miles thinking up there pricewise no leakdown or history,hopefully being a later motor issues may have been sorted,current trendy motor to fit in a 911 but no loom or ecu with that price....really.
I paid 7k for mine some 12(?) years ago.
They don't make air-cooled engines no more ...
Pocket change for a 911 Singer owner that wants another motor
not a great deal but in the ballpark.
If you had one, would you sell it cheap?
At a minimum it will need exhaust guides and a reseal.
Porsche used a *rare part on these cars which I've heard referred to as the "extra wear exhaust guide cover" (engine tray).
*Rare because few have survived
Good base for a 914 since it's the OBD1 and non-VarioRam intake.
The crazy part is that he wants another 700 for the DME.
I would think offering 12500 would be reasonable, seeing as it would need a checkup/top-end before putting in.
Friend of mine has a'95 in his 911 racecar...kept it bone stock and it always worked great. He added lightness to get performance out of the car.
I think I saw a 2.7 with 10,000 miles on a rebuild for 20,000
There are deals out there and sometimes you get lucky but all the air cooled engines are going up in price. Just a fan and shroud are bringing what a whole core engine used to cost. It cost $5-6k just in parts and machine work to do a basic rebuild on a six. That’s separate from the $6-12k in labor.
Our shop is buying any 3.2 & 3.6 that’s reasonably priced. I think prices will be double in the next couple years.
That seems high even now. I've had a '95 993 engine in Penelope since 1999. It's tired now so, a few months ago, I paid $13,500 (Parts Heaven) for a 60Kmi engine complete with DME and all of the peripherals that had very good leakdowns and compression. Didn't need the exhaust which would have been $1K more. Still have most of the old one I got with the original engine.
I haven't thought about it for years but the first engine I bought for $3K plus trading my 2.7L E engine that was in the car when I bought it in 1994. The 2.7L became a 40hr race engine and is still in a 1973 race car. Jerry Woods has rebuilt it a couple of times.
These things are ridiculously expensive... could'a had nearly as much fun with a spec Miata!!!!! Maybe not.
This thread just confirms that I'll never be able to afford a six
Funny thing is it seems the selling is saying that the car was parted out because previous owner didn't like the body color.
Why not just build a big /4 motor?
Should be a better investment .
It's both overpriced and that is a sign of the times. Makes me wish I didn't let my injected 3.2 go for $4,500.00 several years ago.
My 3.2 needs a top-end rebuild, which is disappointing since it was advertised as 55K miles. I paid $5K for it 6-7 years ago. Erik Shea pointed out that currently a 3.2 in unknown condition sells easily for $15K. So I’m going to say, sign of the times...
What would a 0 mile rebuild 3.0 go for?
I think we can all agree that the air cooled engines aren’t going down in price.
Unfortunately, I don’t think the manufacture of new cases will reduce the price of these engines.
I love it when a plan comes together.
Paid $4k for a complete running 3.0 from a guy in Santa Clarita in 2011. Traded it in for $8k and got a 3.2 for $11k in 2013. 3.2 needed valve guides soon after installation. Did a top end rebuild on it and added new p&cs at an all up cost of 12.5k. Swapped a trailer for another 3.2 which I was going to build into a 3.8 screamer but then decided that was crazy after finding that it would cost upwards of 30k to do. I sold that engine to a mate for 15k. That was in 2016. Also sold a 2.2T that needed a full rebuild around the same time for 6k that had no fan or housing.
Agree with others that if you want an air cooled 6 you'd better jump when you see one as these engines are not going to get cheaper.
My 3.0 $2K core, full rebuild, twinplug, new high CR mahle pistons with replated cylinders, cams, webers, etc , with labour would have been about a $25K build 4-5 years ago.
I'm guessing worth almost $10k more today.
I have a 2.7 core that I couldn't sell for $1000 back then and it wasn't worth building. Now it's not for sale and one day I'll go at it as a spec engine.
I see a lot of big asks in terms of prices for motors, but actually selling one is a different story. We bought several truckloads of cars from one guy several years ago, one car was a 72 911 Targa with a 930 3.3 motor shoved into it. The car was running and driving but the engine was going to need a top end. Everyone said, "That motor is worth $25,000 all day long."
I wasn't sure, it's a lot newer than the stuff I normally deal in. I put it on ebay and it sat, and sat, eventually selling for $14,500.
Like I said, people ask a lot, but I find it more interesting to see what stuff actually sells for.
You can see a video here of the car driving.
I see a lot of high asking prices, and I see a lot of sixes being sold quickly... But I also see some sitting for quite a while...
No matter what they are really selling for, prices for engines and 911's are up, and to me it seems engine prices have gone up faster than car prices. It's hard to fathom that my 3.2 is 30-35% of the value of my 911 Carrera which is no concourse car but clean and well maintained.
My son recently bought an '82 SC with a 3.2 swap that underwent a top and bottom end rebuild, about 15k miles on the engine. In his case we figured buying a 3.2 and having it rebuilt would be about 70% the selling price of his car.
An older turbo engine really only appeals to a guy who needs it for his old turbo chassis. It’s an expensive engine to rebuild and not nearly as much fun as a strong 3.6.
We’ve pulled a couple out of guys cars so they can run a 3.6/3.8 and a 5 speed 915, then mothballed the oem parts.
Sign of the times, at some level—though it's probably useful to put today's (selling) prices into 2008, 1998, 1988, etc dollars to take the inflationary aspect out of it.
The 1997 Boxster was $39,980 when it debuted, which is $62,908~ in 2018 dollars.
The 2018 Boxster is $59,000 right now, which is $37,497~ in late 1996 dollars.
This engine's price, at $15,000 today, is $9,749~ in 1998 dollars and $12,834 in 2008 dollars. So...inflation + sign of the times. They aren't making more of these, and it isn't fun to see the engines become more precious. On the flip side, a lot of cars that would have been parted in the past are now being saved...and that is cool.
82 3.2 motor with a top end rebuild for sale on LA Craigslist for $18k.
I can tell you from recent experience that full 3.0 rebuild including new valves, guides, springs, cam sprockets, one-piece chains, Carrera tensioners, all new gaskets, nuts & bolts, not including head studs cost me around 6K all in / most parts from Pelican.
My 3.0 core was 1K including everything but the shroud and the on-engine oil cooler. The core was well represented as a rebuildable core in need of valve guides or a top end freshening up. I went nuts for the fun of it and I took it down to every nut and bolt and carefully followed the book-advise on how to disassemble a 911 engine to prep for a rebuild.
The Vasek Polak trained mechanic in LA that guided me thru the rebuild process charged me a flat rate of 1000 bucks to make sure I didn't screw up anything. He was good for his word / he did not let me screw up anything. He also paid very careful attention to refitting things that needed to be in their original engine layout - back in their correct original place / His explanation was very detailed but simply put, engine things in race applications cause minute and separate wear and stress on every part in a 911 engine at one time or another. Put it back the way the factory assembled it, and it will go 400,000 miles before one needs to think about a "freshening up"...
He had a tank for the cleaning of the case halves etc. Everything was surgically cleaned then recleaned. We spent four two-hour sessions in his shop in the worse part of the nations worst city and survived to tell the story. once finished and the KEP Stage II clutch and flywheel was bolted up, 914Toy and I bolted the mill up to a Rich Johnson mount and throttle linkage that I installed in the car after shaving off the 4-mount tabs in engine bay.
The engine screams and is a well sealed, no leaker that just want to be run long and hard. And I do that almost daily for the fun of it.
Some of these cost quotes seem crazy to me but I am a simple man of simple means and cant afford or justify craziness in this car thing.
Sidebar: Speaking of crazy.... and looking, what should I expect to pay for a set of four decent 7x15 Fuch's wheels in useful condition .............
Some of the numbers I've seen make sense in that I have been told 40 hours of labor to rebuild a Porsche 6. At $125 an hour which is the average around here, that's $5K in addition to $7K in parts and machine work. So, $12K is about average for a drop it off pick it up rebuild. My parts estimate comes from EBS...
These are the threads that I show my wife. "See honey, my 3.2 was a great investment even including the top end rebuild." I bought mine in 2005 for $5,500 and paid for the top end about 6 years later.
That 40 hour figure comes from EBS (yes, they build motors) IPB Autosport (Ron is a member here) and Reno Rennsport...
Wayne at Pelican says 30-40 hours. Another shop in Seattle says 40-42.
Pick up the pace maybe?
Mark is right. I probably have 20K in my motor alone. Not including labor or the custom work to hook up the Cayman trans. But that includes the cost of the ER visit to have my hand stitched up.
964/993 engine rebuilds are not cheap in any way, shape or form. Heck, the plug wire set is approximately $600.00. But I wanted this for my car. It is going to be great when it is finished.
I think you can do 40 if all the parts are laid out on the table. Cleaned, measured, pre fitted, ect. The tear down takes a while. Removing corroded nuts from heat exchangers. Removing head studs, cleaning the case (even after you send it out to be cleaned) and all the other parts. Measuring parts to check specs, ect.
Contact Jeff Gamroth-Rothsport, Marco @ TLG, Peter Dawes, The 901 Shop or JB Racing and get back to us on pricing.
FWIW; here's Ollies price list à la carte! Mag cases should be checked and align bored if necessary. At a minimum head studs and case savers.
As for 3.0 and 3.2 engines, all of the head studs MUST be replaced. IMHO, any engine taken down to the case off should have them replaced as preventative maintenance.
A lot of those services I just consider as labor, so there's a source of hours.
I do everything, except crank and flywheel grinding and rods, in house.
I agree with Mark, if the parts are clean, machined, and laid out in front of you then I can agree with the 40 hour figure.
'95 993 3.6
61k miles, perfect condition., $15k for engine, includes harness and brain
not too bad these days...for plug n play
That’ll be gone before the weekend!
2 years ago I had my stock 914-6 motor rebuilt to stock specs (staying with 2.0 P&Cs was more than going to 2.2 or 2.4 but I did to keep it stock) and it was $19k.
On the other hand... I paid $6,500 for my 1991 3.6 in 1996 and that came with 914-6 oil tank, lines, oil cooler, engine mount, clutch, and some other stuff. That was a good deal even for back then.
And I had that same 3.6 rebuilt by Andial about 15 years ago for $12k.
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