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Posted by: gms Jul 19 2018, 12:59 PM
I saw this gem
https://www.classic-racing-annonces.fr/annonce/porsche-914-6-1970/
lets look at the clues:
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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jul 19 2018, 01:35 PM
you hit that on the money, good observation!
Posted by: 914Sixer Jul 19 2018, 01:45 PM
Did you miss the window winder? Late model. I think that they are saying it is a historic recreation.
Posted by: iwanta914-6 Jul 19 2018, 01:48 PM
so 130,000 euros for what is essentially a "tribute" or very well done conversion?
Posted by: gms Jul 19 2018, 01:55 PM
and another
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Posted by: gms Jul 19 2018, 02:09 PM
Did you miss the window winder? Late model. I think that they are saying it is a historic recreation.
No that can be retrofit to an early car, I point out panels and parts of the car that would take major work to change.
Posted by: gcrotvik Jul 19 2018, 02:16 PM
If you look at the hand brake, and then behind it, you see the relief indent for your hand only goes half way down, from to to bottom, the long. On an early car, that relief indent goes almost to the floor pan.
Posted by: gms Jul 19 2018, 02:42 PM
This stuff is easily done but it just adds to the list
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 19 2018, 02:59 PM
Nope, they're selling it as a real 1970 factory /6 ...
Posted by: 7TPorsh Jul 19 2018, 03:01 PM
Center Dash Vent missing
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 19 2018, 03:10 PM
Center Dash Vent missing
/6 didn't have the center dash vent, only early /4 ...
Posted by: bandjoey Jul 19 2018, 03:19 PM
Hand throttle
Posted by: Larmo63 Jul 19 2018, 03:30 PM
Busted.
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jul 19 2018, 03:33 PM
"ain't" one on the real 914-6 only the 70 71 four
Center Dash Vent missing
Posted by: bretth Jul 19 2018, 03:36 PM
That's ridiculous. I'd be embarrassed to have my face shown in those pics.
Posted by: Mueller Jul 19 2018, 05:54 PM
VIN tampering not illegal in France?
Posted by: mepstein Jul 19 2018, 06:23 PM
VIN tampering not illegal in France?
That’s more than just vin tampering. It’s putting a vin on the wrong body.
Posted by: Retroracer Jul 19 2018, 09:10 PM
Posted by: Travis Neff Jul 19 2018, 09:14 PM
There the tabs that hold in the engine sound pad, late model only. Shift rod hole in the engine compartment is for a side shifter too.
Posted by: burton73 Jul 19 2018, 09:22 PM
Bob B
Posted by: Mike Bellis Jul 19 2018, 10:02 PM
Bombard them with email. I did. Fraud!!!
If they are a reputable dealer, they will drop the listing.
Posted by: porschetub Jul 20 2018, 12:13 AM
Not good ,mines a mongrel and even I know that real six stuff,wonder if they know its maybe a Frankenstein car or they have wasted a heap of coin fixing the wrong car?.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 20 2018, 04:56 AM
Last picture also has a side shifter installed. It has the hole at the back of the shifter. The tail shifter is solid back there.
Posted by: Racer Jul 20 2018, 06:53 AM
Ignition key bezel is wrong. Looks like the one on my 911SC. And rear valance. If what you see is wrong when its put together, makes you wonder whats wrong underneath. Eagle eyes out there!
Posted by: GeorgeRud Jul 20 2018, 04:22 PM
Like any conversion 914, it should actually be a very nice car if properly done, but it certainly does bother me if they’re trying to pass it off as an original -6. It would be interesting to see what is the serial number. However, when cars become valuable, all sorts of games are played.
Posted by: euro911 Jul 20 2018, 05:08 PM
Wouldn't it also have white headlight surrounds?
Posted by: mepstein Jul 20 2018, 05:40 PM
Wouldn't it also have white headlight surrounds?
There are plenty of real sixes that have been modified and changes made. I was surprised to see my newly purchased '70 four has black headlight surrounds but that was probably done by the PO since he did some cosmetic "upgrades" like a lot of these cars are subject to. If the seatbelt pockets were welded in a real six chassis, well, that can be reversed down the road. It's still a six. What kills this cars value is not only was it built on a 4 chassis but its the wrong year. To a non 914 guy, its all the same. To someone who wants a real six, it was never a six, its a fraud.
Posted by: gandalf_025 Jul 21 2018, 11:50 AM
I painted the white headlight surrounds on my 6 Black
back in the mid 70’s..
Also cut the rear valance shorter like the later cars had.
Kind of sucks when you are your own DAPO....
Nobody else to blame..
At least I did hang on to the original engine...
Posted by: mepstein Jul 21 2018, 03:19 PM
I painted the white headlight surrounds on my 6 Black
back in the mid 70’s..
Also cut the rear valance shorter like the later cars had.
Kind of sucks when you are your own DAPO....
Nobody else to blame..
At least I did hang on to the original engine...
At least you didn't "front date" a '66-911. I sold one to a guy in France that had impact bumpers and turbo flares. Sold for 1/3-1/4 the price as an original.
Posted by: forrestkhaag Jul 21 2018, 06:10 PM
This thread reminds me of the feeling of being strapped into a dental chair with a maniac asking you is it safe?... Is it safe.....? Is it safe to buy a 914 these days.... ??
It would be interesting to know if someone or a group of people have assembled a database of 914's sold in recent years. Where was the sale? When (yr)? How much was the ask and how much was the put? etc. And particularly, what was the car originally and what was it sold as - a "real 4" or a fake 6.
I agree with some herein - in that, if properly done, a clone or replica 6 in many ways can be better than an "original" 6 ........ In some ways / like power to weight, suspension, race-instrumentation, FI etc. The database of recent historical sales would shed light on relative value verses relative enjoyment.
In my experience, informal car-show chatter indicates quite often that most who own one or maybe several 750-1M $ cars rarely take them out of the garage for fear of a door ding or rock chip or worse yet a disappearance. 
Not so for the vast majority of 914 owners. 
Having sold a C4S 
to acquire a 993 and having the good sense to sell the 993 (at a tidy profit) 
to buy a decent rust free 914, I can attest to the simple pleasures of having a car (an unreal 914-6) that I can drive anywhere and leave the top off and keys in the ignition and not worry about a thing.
Maybe that's the beauty of living in a place where every other car in every other parking lot is a Mc Laren, a GT3, or a Ferrari of some rarefied variation......... the car thieves probably figure if they are risking a prison term, why jack a 914-6 - real or imagined?
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Posted by: Blue6 Jul 21 2018, 09:12 PM
Hey Forrest, those black headlight surrounds are incorrect on your car.... 
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 21 2018, 09:20 PM
I painted the white headlight surrounds on my 6 Black
back in the mid 70’s..
Also cut the rear valance shorter like the later cars had.
Kind of sucks when you are your own DAPO....
Nobody else to blame..
At least I did hang on to the original engine...
I think the term you are looking for is DACO.....
Posted by: larryM Jul 21 2018, 10:00 PM
X2 - there is a difference twixt personalized cars vs vin-fraud cars
? does the advert link from Glenn actually show they have a 1970 VIN ??? (i don't see it)
- some do mods on legit chassis for racing reasons, others for convenience or tribute or wannabe-gt reasons
- and some of us just like the better technology & "go faster" attributes of our mods (antiques roadshow oem patina be damned)
the USA 914/6 import spec 911T engine was not exactly a tour-de-force
i always say that if Porche had a 3.2 & 915/916 in 1969-70 it could/would have been in a dealer showroom offer 914-x;
as it were, they did install 2.4's in some later special editions & the 916 once they had 'em;
- the $46K BaT sale of 4712909851 (among recent others) shows there is some appreciating market value in conversions - tho they are still only worth the sum of the parts "invested" imho
"... can't build it for that", posted zak-the-seller - with which some of you now building 'em will agree
There are plenty of real sixes that have been modified and changes made. ..... some cosmetic "upgrades" like a lot of these cars are subject to.
To a non 914 guy, its all the same. To someone who wants a real six, it was never a six, its a fraud.
X2
Posted by: Dave_Darling Jul 22 2018, 12:11 AM
They are claiming it's a 1970 914-6. The body is 72 or later. They're not listing it as a conversion or a tribute.
Seems either fraudulent or just plain ignorant to me.
--DD
Posted by: Coondog Jul 22 2018, 04:37 AM
Nice Balboa Island Ferry pic Forrest...... 
when I was a kid that was my dream job...
Posted by: larryM Jul 22 2018, 11:45 AM
They are claiming it's a 1970 914-6. The body is 72 or later. They're not listing it as a conversion or a tribute.
Seems either fraudulent or just plain ignorant to me.
--DD
"Claiming" is the operative word
was a VIN for this car published?????????? (I don't see it)
- if they have attached a 1970 914/6 vin to it, it is likely a fraud;
unless we know the France rules for resurrecting & reg'ing "old cars" and their VIN rules - we can't yet say if the seller has done anything illegal in France
Posted by: 73-914 Jul 22 2018, 12:03 PM
Well they are French
Posted by: larryM Jul 22 2018, 12:09 PM
It would be interesting to know if someone ... assembled a database of 914's sold in recent years.
Larry Lee keeps a pretty good 914/6 list
http://p914-6info.net/list_file-4-column.htm
& ( i try to keep a running list gleaned from auctions & this site & Panorama among others, mostly of -6's & conversions, & some high-sale-4's)
.... quite often ... most who own ... 750-1M $ cars rarely take them out of the garage for fear of a door ding or rock chip
I can attest to the simple pleasures of having a car (an unreal 914-6) that I can drive anywhere and leave the top off and keys in the ignition and not worry about a thing.
well said - even $100K sixes easlily succumb to that fear-to-drive factor
as Sam Smith recently published in June R&T - "an undriven car is basically furniture" & "It's one thing to trot out a car like a show pony, warm Sundays only. Even sloppy engineering and murderous road conditions can be fun for a few hours."
Posted by: mepstein Jul 22 2018, 12:32 PM
I’ll never understand the fear to drive thing.
My dad just went up in a freshly restored P-51 mustang. He was a passenger but thank goodness (for my father) the owner didn’t have a fear of flying the multi million dollar airplane.
Posted by: larryM Jul 22 2018, 08:15 PM
I’ll never understand the fear to drive thing.
My dad just went up in a freshly restored P-51 mustang. He was a passenger but thank goodness (for my father) the owner didn’t have a fear of flying the multi million dollar airplane.
1. .. it's about how much one can afford to 'write off' or has fully insured
2. it's about preserving perfection so it always gets maximum points at concour or passes Hagerty et al auction value definitions of #1 & #2
Posted by: mepstein Jul 22 2018, 08:31 PM
I’ll never understand the fear to drive thing.
My dad just went up in a freshly restored P-51 mustang. He was a passenger but thank goodness (for my father) the owner didn’t have a fear of flying the multi million dollar airplane.
.. it's about how much one can afford to 'write off' or has fully insured
The guys who keep there cars in the garage because they are to scared to drive them are fully insured. You can even buy track day insurance. Its something else.
Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 22 2018, 08:53 PM
if my factory GT lids qet sat on .../.what then ??? there is no more
Posted by: Unobtanium-inc Jul 22 2018, 11:12 PM
I’ll never understand the fear to drive thing.
My dad just went up in a freshly restored P-51 mustang. He was a passenger but thank goodness (for my father) the owner didn’t have a fear of flying the multi million dollar airplane.
My rule is never have a dog or a car you are afraid of, if you're afraid to drive your car, sell it. I drive all my cars in everything but salty road winter. And I'm not at all afraid of my dogs!
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Posted by: carr914 Jul 23 2018, 02:05 PM
Could you please not Post pics of you and your GF frenching? That's Fuchin Digusting! Almost as bad as your slaughter of a 914
Posted by: Chris914n6 Jul 23 2018, 06:36 PM
My rule is never have a dog or a car you are afraid of, if you're afraid to drive your car, sell it. I drive all my cars in everything but salty road winter. And I'm not at all afraid of my dogs!
Not the picture I would use to show how brave you are
Posted by: Unobtanium-inc Jul 24 2018, 08:19 AM
My rule is never have a dog or a car you are afraid of, if you're afraid to drive your car, sell it. I drive all my cars in everything but salty road winter. And I'm not at all afraid of my dogs!
Not the picture I would use to show how brave you are
I think you guys are missing the point here, never be afraid to drive your car or snuggle your dog. I drive my cars in everything but salty snow.
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Posted by: thelogo Jul 24 2018, 09:18 AM
Same here as in i buy a car you can drive alot and enjoy possibly even beat to shit if you should have the desire to . ( thats how i roll )
Not the ones in the autoatlanta glass case.
they are way to nice , they belong in the luv museum
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 24 2018, 06:05 PM
dp
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 24 2018, 06:05 PM
I’ll never understand the fear to drive thing.
My dad just went up in a freshly restored P-51 mustang. He was a passenger but thank goodness (for my father) the owner didn’t have a fear of flying the multi million dollar airplane.
.. it's about how much one can afford to 'write off' or has fully insured
The guys who keep there cars in the garage because they are to scared to drive them are fully insured. You can even buy track day insurance. Its something else.
Over on the bird I have this in my signature
I don't want a garage queen (or girlfriend) that I can't drive, not in my DNA
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