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Posted by: partsman Jun 16 2005, 08:51 AM

I was on the factory website, and came across a section for club support from the factory. I used my dealship email, and sent them a message. this is what I got back, and I didn't know if we as a club were interested or not. I never said I was anything more than a memeber, and I don't want ot step on any toes here, so I thought I would pass it on to whomever. The factory seems like they want to info for all the clubs, not just PCA, and it's cool what they have on the site, with pictures and info of lastest trips and actiivites...anyway...here it is( I hope):

From: Volker Spannagel [mailto:volker.spannagel@porsche.de]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:35 AM
To: Eric Sanders
Cc: Jack Bair
Subject: Club info



Dear Eric,

thank you very much for your kind e-mail - please excuse the delayed reply!

Porsche Club Coordination at Porsche AG in general takes care of all the world wide Porsche Clubs and part of this task is to also assist the officially recognized Porsche Clubs in their efforts being (or becoming) more efficient regarding activities, gaining new members, appearance in the public, etc. As, however, not all can be done from Germany, at all our importers we have nominated a Club Coordinator being the first contact if a national Club needs assistance. For the US market it is the above mentioned Mr. Jack Bair at Porsche Cars North America (PCNA).

Of course there is the umbrella to all the "regular" US Porsche Clubs, i.e. the Porsche Club of America (PCA); this is the main contact for all the regional Clubs in the US, but we do not stop them from contacting directly the US Club Coordinator. In certain cases Mr. Bair will then pass on specific requests, or part of these, to us.

The situation for the Registers for 914 and 356 is slightly different, as they are not part of the PCA, but individually recognized by Porsche. This means, that such Clubs may contact PCNA or Porsche directly with their needs and worries.

As you mention in your e-mail, you are member at the 914 Club - which is a nice coincidence, as for a long time we have tried to contact Mr. Alexander Buller who is, according to our files, the President of the 914 Club. However, we never were successful in this. So I dare to add a questionnaire for the detailed positions of the board of the Club and I would be grateful if you can forward this to the right person. Of course we are pleased if you could give us a brief report on the Club, the activities, number of members and if there exist sub-regions in other parts of the US etc.



Thank you very much for your kind assistance. Please do not hesitate to contact either Jack Bair or us if you require more assistance or information.

Kind reagrds,

Volker Spannagel

Marketing Services / Club Coordination
( +49 (0)711/911-78307 2 +49 (0)711/911-78989 : volker.spannagel@porsche.de
* Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG -- Porschestraße 15 - 19 -- D-71634 Ludwigsburg


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Posted by: ! Jun 16 2005, 08:54 AM

I'd be a bit leery of PCNA or PCA getting involved.....they have rules.....

Posted by: Part Pricer Jun 16 2005, 08:57 AM

Who is Alexander Buller?

Buller...Buller...anyone??

Posted by: partsman Jun 16 2005, 08:57 AM

this is not PCA, and PCNA is just listed as a contact. This done through Germany, and they have all sorts of clubs listed on the site. I'll have to see if I can get a link for it...

Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jun 16 2005, 09:01 AM

QUOTE (Paul Heery @ Jun 16 2005, 06:57 AM)

Who is Alexander Buller? Buller...Buller...anyone??

Thank you!!! I was wondering the same thing.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jun 16 2005, 09:09 AM

we have a president?

maybe he's planning a war or something?!

Posted by: william harris Jun 16 2005, 09:24 AM

Posted by: Jeroen Jun 16 2005, 09:24 AM

I've been working very closely with the Club Coordination in Stuttgart for a couple of years (when I was a board member of the dutch 914 club)

You'd be amazed about what they (can) do. They have a HUGE! backing machine
The sky is pretty much the limit. Both for the clubs as well for the classic cars.

Been to Stuttgart a couple of times. Lots of fun and cool stuff!

Like Mike sayz... they do have rules for you to follow... LOTS of rules and they'll only back you up if you are a Porsche approved club

Another problem... we are not an entity (we're not a real club) and we don't have paying members

Judging from Volker's e-mail, I do think he is confusing us with another "914 club" though...

Posted by: Part Pricer Jun 16 2005, 09:25 AM

I went through the information that they are asking for and it seems like they are looking for an actual club, not just a web presence. Specifically, they want to know:

PRESIDENT
VICE PRESIDENT
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
EVENT MANAGER
SPORTS ACTIVITIES
EDITOR CLUB MAGAZINE
WEBMASTER
NUMBER OF REGISTERED MEMBERS

Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jun 16 2005, 09:26 AM

QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jun 16 2005, 07:24 AM)

Judging from Volker's e-mail, I do think he is confusing us with another "914 club" though...

That would make sense.

Posted by: ! Jun 16 2005, 09:36 AM

QUOTE (Paul Heery @ Jun 16 2005, 07:25 AM)

I went through the information that they are asking for and it seems like they are looking for an actual club, not just a web presence. Specifically, they want to know: PRESIDENT VICE PRESIDENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR EVENT MANAGER SPORTS ACTIVITIES EDITOR CLUB MAGAZINE WEBMASTER NUMBER OF REGISTERED MEMBERS

What...no LIKKER MANAGER?????

Posted by: william harris Jun 16 2005, 09:37 AM

There ain't no other stinkin 914 club. We are the 914 club - everybody else is posers and wannabes.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Jun 16 2005, 09:38 AM

Isnt Bueller the character that still runs the Yahoo groups club?

Posted by: Jeroen Jun 16 2005, 09:38 AM

http://content2.us.porsche.com/prod/clubs/clubs_worldwide.nsf/usaenglish/clubs_worldwide

http://content2.us.porsche.com/prod/clubs/clubs_worldwide.nsf/usaenglish/club_supportcontact
Back then, I mostly dealt with ms.Aldenhoff. One smart lady!

Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jun 16 2005, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (rdauenhauer @ Jun 16 2005, 07:38 AM)

Isnt Bueller the character that still runs the Yahoo groups club?

I have heard that Alexander Buller was the President of the Renegade 914 Club. And also from what I hear, they won't hear from him...

Posted by: Dr. Roger Jun 16 2005, 10:22 AM

More government control = Communism
Less government control = Democracy

I prefer the freedom.

V8's in 914's?????

Sacrilege!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PCA,B,C recognizing a V8 914????


You be the judge.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Jun 16 2005, 10:50 AM

QUOTE (Lyressa Roberts @ Jun 16 2005, 08:02 AM)

QUOTE (rdauenhauer @ Jun 16 2005, 07:38 AM) Isnt Bueller the character that still runs the Yahoo groups club? I have heard that Alexander Buller was the President of the Renegade 914 Club. And also from what I hear, they won't hear from him...

Lyrissa is correct. Alex was the last president of the "Renegade" 914 Club. After a while, they dropped the "Renegade" label (originally adopted to differentiate them from Dennis Deeds' 914 Owners Association) and were just "914 club". They were the folks behind the old DGI.net 914 website and forum.

In an odd way, this website is a direct descendant of that one. IIRC, it started as a way to continue the old "Classified" section from the DGI site, and then it grew and grew.

Alex left us quite a few years ago now (RIP), though Barbara occasionally pops up around here... The other "prime mover" that I remember from that time is the former (and also no longer with us) owner of Ginter's Six.

--DD

Posted by: Part Pricer Jun 16 2005, 10:57 AM

Now, that's interesting. If Porsche was attempting to contact the [Renegade] 914 Club to possibly recognize and work with them, why not us?

Posted by: redshift Jun 16 2005, 11:01 AM

No new Texas! Pot in every chicken!

(paid for by Miles Hendrix 2005 election committee)



M

Posted by: tdgray Jun 16 2005, 11:09 AM

QUOTE (rogergrubb @ Jun 16 2005, 12:22 PM)

More government control = Communism Less government control = Democracy

Almost correct

Less Government = Democratic REPUBLIC.

Remember people Democracy is not a government. A Republic is



Sorry just felt like being an ass

Posted by: dinomium Jun 16 2005, 11:44 AM

I would just like to go on the record as stating:
If nominated, I WILL NOT have a running 914
IF elected I will NOT SERVER!!

Posted by: Dave_Darling Jun 16 2005, 11:49 AM

QUOTE (Paul Heery @ Jun 16 2005, 08:57 AM)

Now, that's interesting. If Porsche was attempting to contact the [Renegade] 914 Club to possibly recognize and work with them, why not us?

Because we're not a club, as they define "club". We don't have paying members, we don't have a president, we don't have a newsletter... We're a bunch of oddballs who hang out on a Web-based BBS and decide to get together every once in a while.

--DD

Posted by: redshift Jun 16 2005, 12:30 PM

Oh my God! Dave's right! WE'RE A BUNCH OF LAMERS!





M

Posted by: davep Jun 16 2005, 01:18 PM

Well, we do have a webmaster, and we do have an Admin group and we do represent a large number of Porsche owners. We also organize events, and have an event chairperson. I think one of the strengths of this club is its diversity, and distributed responsibility. Another strength is the activity we have online, no other group has so many postings every day. So what if the majority is off-topic, that is really not the point.

Perhaps we should have Jeroen contact them, give them our website URL, and let them decide how best we might fit the description of a club.

DD: what do we need a newsletter for when we have this list. It is always up to the minute unlike a newsletter, or some other online groups.

Posted by: Part Pricer Jun 16 2005, 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Dave_Darling @ Jun 16 2005, 01:49 PM)

Because we're not a club, as they define "club". We don't have paying members, we don't have a president, we don't have a newsletter... We're a bunch of oddballs who hang out on a Web-based BBS and decide to get together every once in a while.

Details, details, details. That's never stopped us before. We're 914 owners damn it!

Posted by: smrz914 Jun 16 2005, 01:30 PM

QUOTE

PRESIDENT VICE PRESIDENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR EVENT MANAGER SPORTS ACTIVITIES EDITOR CLUB MAGAZINE WEBMASTER NUMBER OF REGISTERED MEMBERS

Send them an e-mail that has http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=Post&CODE=00&f=2 next to each name. That should answer most of the questions they could have about out group.

Posted by: william harris Jun 16 2005, 01:31 PM

We're weird, we're mutts, we're mutants. We 914s.

Posted by: dinomium Jun 16 2005, 02:40 PM

QUOTE (william harris @ Jun 16 2005, 12:31 PM)

We're weird, we're mutts, we're mutants. We 914s.

feel his nose, it is cold!

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 16 2005, 02:48 PM

i got this reply from the guy that doesn't hang out here anymore ...

> Barbara La Forge told me that they where trying to contact Alex for a
> long time. One of the club members is correct: they are looking for
> "paying members" which is why the Renegade club charged $9.14 a year for
> memberships. It is doable. You have everything in place to make it
> happen. They would like the idea of a German president.


i guess a *real* club would have to extract $$$ from it's members to qualify ...
Andy

Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jun 16 2005, 02:50 PM

Bureaucrats!!!

This is what I say to those who force $... (I this smiley)

Posted by: brer Jun 16 2005, 02:59 PM

send me your money and i'll be your president.

Posted by: brer Jun 16 2005, 03:16 PM

On second thought,

it might be a trap.

Posted by: Jeroen Jun 16 2005, 04:02 PM

hey, if $9.14 buys you a 10% discount on any part and accessoire you can get at the off. porsche dealer, I don't think that's a bad deal

Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jun 16 2005, 04:07 PM

QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jun 16 2005, 02:02 PM)

hey, if $9.14 buys you a 10% discount on any part and accessoire you can get at the off. porsche dealer, I don't think that's a bad deal

Hmmm. You got a point. Go Bureaucrats!!!

Posted by: redshift Jun 16 2005, 04:19 PM

I sent them an email!

I am excited! I think they are going to do it man!


M


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Hey Mr. Porsech!

Over at the 914club (www.914world.com) we were talking about how you guys thought we were the old 914 club. Well, that's kind of a fucking insult, if you'll pardon my French.

This club is WAAAAAAY better than that old club, which was mostly just out of date advertising, on a jumbled piece of shit BBS system, and you idiots made them charge $9.14 a year, while the 911, and 912, not to mention the 356, and 550 guys got lesser membership dues, over the same period.

THIS IS BULLSHIT, SHULTZEE... OR WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS!

As you may know, the 914 club likes 914s. We have alot of 914s. I'll bet you don't have one Klaus, or whatever your name is. I wouldn't let you screw my 914 with my schnitzel.... you haven't made a sportscar since... like 1974, some club members say as late as '76. (but just between you and me, they are as dumb as you are, you stupid bastard.)

Welp, if you'll get off your ass, and have us some stationary made up for the club, we might let you use gloves to touch a real 914.... and we fully expect the same 90% discounts the 911 guys get on OEM stuff.

You have 20 minutes to respond.

Thanks!

Miles Rumsfeld, Secretary of Off/Def/Spec Teams
www.914world.com

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 16 2005, 04:23 PM

Yikes!!!!!

Posted by: nebreitling Jun 16 2005, 04:24 PM

lmfao miles!!!


one of the strengths of this 'club' is that we don't have to answer to anyone. i like it this way....

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jun 16 2005, 04:27 PM

ROFLMMFAO!!! MILES you are, indeed, cool!

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 16 2005, 04:30 PM

I heard they send the president a free hat.......GB got one.............

Posted by: redshift Jun 16 2005, 04:42 PM

I sure hope Hans, or whatever his name is, doesn't know about zabbasearch.


M

Posted by: Jeroen Jun 16 2005, 04:46 PM

Miles for president

at this point though, I'd have to agree with Nathan
I can't think of anything they could offer us that would be worth losing some of our independce over...

Lessee...
Unlimited free 914 parts for every member and a nice Boxster S as a daily driver
Carrera GT's for the board members
Sure we can change our logo and have fancy stationary printed!

Posted by: redshift Jun 16 2005, 05:05 PM

Nah, if we ever do vote for a president here, I'd nominate Craig, because he most reminds me of Charlie, from Charlie's Angels..

.... ~Hello Angels!~

I've never actually talked to him, it's the 'vibe' when he shows up with a new car.. every other 12 minutes, or so..

.... ~..and how are you, Bosley?~



M

Posted by: Dr. Roger Jun 16 2005, 05:37 PM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jun 16 2005, 12:48 PM)

i got this reply from the guy that doesn't hang out here anymore ... > Barbara La Forge told me that they where trying to contact Alex for a > long time. One of the club members is correct: they are looking for > "paying members" which is why the Renegade club charged $9.14 a year for > memberships. It is doable. You have everything in place to make it > happen. They would like the idea of a German president. i guess a *real* club would have to extract $$$ from it's members to qualify ... Andy

Hey, I'm German!!!
I could be Prez...

Send me your Dollars, your Marks, Peso's, your Kroner, your french Francs and Drakmas. I'll spend them like there is no tomorrow and we will all benefit in my spending.

An extra front bearing set in every stocking.
I'll even throw in an oil sump gasket set if you act now!
And liberty and justice for all.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Jun 16 2005, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (davep @ Jun 16 2005, 11:18 AM)

DD: what do we need a newsletter for when we have this list. It is always up to the minute unlike a newsletter, or some other online groups.

I make no judgements one way or another about how good or bad this place is. (I do seem to keep coming back though!) Just that Porsche AG obviously expects a "formal" (i.e., twentieth-century) club with all they feel goes along with it.

Which we ain't.

--DD

Posted by: Dr. Roger Jun 16 2005, 06:25 PM

In my limited time here I've noticed most everyone does a fine job of self governing. In the event of anyone going off the deep end, it's handled by the senior members. Hell, I've been handled when I get too racey.

As for the Pro's of associating with larger associations, IMHO, As long as their rules are not too intrusive to our freedom loving wellbeing then why not. There are beneifts. (what are they BTW?)

Personally speaking this is already a good thing.

Here, we have almost complete freedom to do what we will and support each other so well. I'm all good as things are.

Posted by: ! Jun 16 2005, 06:29 PM

Screw rules....this club joins sumthin'..."I" bail...prolly a gud thang....

Posted by: kwales Jun 16 2005, 06:54 PM

Oh Crap!

Sumbunny sicked the Cops on us....

These guys like control..... Sent memos to the "others" "illegally" using their good names such as "*W" and "P**sche". We might have to rename as the 9*4 club.not

Lessee, no money, not a club....., Donations for Korijiro, Brad, Tsunami victums, and Easton just don't count...

All this from a buncha guys that won't even make another batch of Lobro CV's......

Ya gets what ya pay for....

Caveat Emptor....

Ken

Posted by: Dead Air Jun 16 2005, 07:20 PM

QUOTE (rogergrubb @ Jun 16 2005, 08:22 AM)

More government control = Communism Less government control = Democracy

[QUOTE]

Hey there, rule #1 NO politcs!

Posted by: Dr. Roger Jun 16 2005, 07:29 PM

QUOTE (Dave Eddy @ Jun 16 2005, 05:20 PM)

QUOTE (rogergrubb @ Jun 16 2005, 08:22 AM) More government control = Communism Less government control = Democracy [QUOTE] Hey there, rule #1 NO politcs!

"No politics?" On the contrary.

Just you saying, "Hey you, no politics" means you are one of them. A Nazi people controller. This is America last time I checked, friend.

Posted by: brer Jun 16 2005, 07:50 PM

whats wrong with communism?

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 16 2005, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (rogergrubb @ Jun 16 2005, 06:29 PM)

Just you saying, "Hey you, no politics" means you are one of them. A Nazi people controller. This is America last time I checked, friend.

no more politics on this forum ...

and don't give me any of this "nazi" crap of yours ...

Andy

Posted by: ! Jun 16 2005, 08:27 PM

Love yer country....fear yer gubmint....

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 16 2005, 09:34 PM

please no politics or nazi racist comments....we finally have cleaned up the last mess.

I guess if you hooked up and were approved by Porsche we could become the
Porsche 914 Club!
Even have the name on the Home page with the crest!
Maybe a club discount!

Posted by: ! Jun 16 2005, 09:37 PM

Hey kids...let's get together and put on a show....

Mickey Rooney suxz....

Posted by: Grimstead Jun 16 2005, 09:51 PM

QUOTE (Paul Heery @ Jun 16 2005, 08:25 AM)

I went through the information that they are asking for and it seems like they are looking for an actual club, not just a web presence. Specifically, they want to know: PRESIDENT VICE PRESIDENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR EVENT MANAGER SPORTS ACTIVITIES EDITOR CLUB MAGAZINE WEBMASTER NUMBER OF REGISTERED MEMBERS

Oooh ooh, I call 'REGISTERED MEMBER'! Not that my member is registered or anything

Posted by: jimtab Jun 16 2005, 09:51 PM

QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jun 16 2005, 02:46 PM)

Miles for president at this point though, I'd have to agree with Nathan I can't think of anything they could offer us that would be worth losing some of our independce over... Lessee... Unlimited free 914 parts for every member and a nice Boxster S as a daily driver Carrera GT's for the board members Sure we can change our logo and have fancy stationary printed!

Independence is only a mental construct....no one can take it away...but you can give it away if you want.....

Posted by: jimtab Jun 16 2005, 10:04 PM

QUOTE ("*" @ Jun 16 2005, 06:27 PM)

Love yer country....fear yer gubmint....

Oh shit , I'm agreeing with......

Posted by: Howard Jun 16 2005, 10:33 PM

We just need the right ad agency to represent us. Preferably not this one. http://www.accolo.com/pages/spicy.shtml

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 16 2005, 10:37 PM

Posted by: Dr. Roger Jun 16 2005, 10:49 PM

QUOTE (jimtab @ Jun 16 2005, 08:04 PM)

QUOTE ("*" @ Jun 16 2005, 06:27 PM) Love yer country....fear yer gubmint.... Oh shit , I'm agreeing with......

I apoligize and stand corrected.

OK, now what are the benefits???

Posted by: redshift Jun 17 2005, 12:12 AM

Cash back with each $40b debt forgiven.


M

Posted by: kwales Jun 17 2005, 09:37 AM

My bet is the benefit would be 60% off on all NLA parts....

Either that or a small price reduction to clear the warehouse of all remaining NOS 914 parts and once they're gone, they're gone....

Remember, these guys are not making us parts anymore....

Ken

Posted by: partsman Jun 17 2005, 09:52 AM

Actually, you would be quite surprised to find out that not only do they have parts, they are getting more, and even re-issueing some every now and then. As far as prices, you would be surprised...we have all gotten used to going to the aftermarket houses, and the truth is, they are still getting some things from the dealer, and then marking it up.

Posted by: william harris Jun 17 2005, 10:29 AM

Eric is right. I know because he got almost every part I needed for my restoration - and the prices were usually below what I would have paid elsewhere - sometimes way below. Of course he gave me the 914club discount.

Posted by: rjkavanagh Jun 17 2005, 10:30 AM

So, what would you think about contacting them, seeing what's in it for the club. If it's of no value, we can have Miles draft up a new letter politely explaining (as he does so well) why we have decided not to join.

Posted by: Jeroen Jun 17 2005, 10:31 AM

the ARE making new parts and are continously looking into making more...
you'd be very surprised how much they actually put into this

I've been to a couple of international "classic" porsche club meetings (they call them "round table" meetings) where you can exchange ideas with the people from the club coordination and classic parts departments
they are constantly looking for input and feedback

we could be very valuable in that... here they can reach litterally thousands of 914 owners with very little effort

Like the CV joints... They can take 'm back into production if they have enuf demand
But they need to know about it first...

Posted by: mihai914 Jun 17 2005, 10:35 AM

Well, I'd be in a group buy for part #914 501 779 13 body in white

Posted by: redshift Jun 17 2005, 11:05 AM

I got a response this morning.

They were interested, but they were late. I said they had 20 minutes, and I meant 20 minutes, I can't help it that they were sleeping. (lazy bastards)

I think we should hold out til something better comes along.


M

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Dearest Heinz, (or whatever your name is)

YO DIETER! (or whatever your name is) I SAID 20 MINUTES! YOUR EXPIRED, WOLFGANG!! (oweyni)

We are all putting subaru motors in our cars, you dirty.......

Posted by: jimtab Jun 17 2005, 01:30 PM

QUOTE (redshift @ Jun 17 2005, 09:05 AM)

I got a response this morning. They were interested, but they were late. I said they had 20 minutes, and I meant 20 minutes, I can't help it that they were sleeping. (lazy bastards) I think we should hold out til something better comes along. M ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dearest Heinz, (or whatever your name is) YO DIETER! (or whatever your name is) I SAID 20 MINUTES! YOUR EXPIRED, WOLFGANG!! (oweyni) We are all putting subaru motors in our cars, you dirty.......

You know, they may have other business to do, and not be able to sit 24/7 with their fingers poised over the keyboard, I think within 24 hours is more than reasonable.....it ain't a fuckin video game ya know.....