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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ New 914-6 Owner and Weber Recommendation
Posted by: AHudson Sep 14 2018, 08:10 AM
Hi Folks, first post here and delighted to have been reading, studying, learning a ton.
Brief history: Long time Porsche fan, starting with - you guessed it - a 914 back in the days they were nearly free. As a broke college student, free was about my price range, but the 914 introduced me to a world far beyond the British cars that had been leaking on my rented driveways.
Went on to own and almost always have a 911 of some sort in the garage, keeping company with several of "those" Italian cars until move to a semi remote lake a few years back stripped me of service accessibility.
This, and a recent business sale/retirement, forced me to shed the complicated and needy in favor of the more robust, serviceable, and dare I say 'simpler' cars.
Got my first 914 in 25 years about 4 months ago. A 76 2.0 (of course) in black/black. Took me straight back in time and I couldn't quit smiling on the 50 mile drive back to my little garage. Super solid, wonderful car, with a good history. I jumped into cleaning, discovery, improvement.
Fast forward: Two weekends ago, after much protracted negotiation, I added a 914-6. (I had to buy an SC with it to make the deal.) And it is a jewel. Slightly neglected, but very easily reclaimable to show worthiness. Not kidding myself on that as I've been through everything from rusted hulks brought back to only needing air in the tires.
The car is a two time former Parade winner, and has seen delicate care since. It has THE most complete documentation of any car I've ever owned. (Maybe 150?) It may not be the best 14-6 around, but to my eye, it is quite good, quite complete.
There will be more posts about the particulars as I continue this journey, but right now, needing my Webers built as they pop when warm and throttle shaft (drivers side) is pretty wobbly. The seller provided me with a spare set (!) numbered for a 914-6, so I could get those built to minimize downtime, or get both built "just because". <-- A very expensive phrase for car lovers!
Anyway, happy to be a small part of a great forum. You folks have taught me much in my short time here, I have much more to learn!
Sorry pics of the car on Day One in my little place...
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Posted by: ConeDodger Sep 14 2018, 08:15 AM
Mark DeBernardi who is McMark here on the World. He owns Original Customs.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=419
Posted by: GeorgeRud Sep 14 2018, 08:17 AM
Nice looking car! I’d send the carbs to Paul Abbot at Performance Oriented. I think however that he is booked out so far that he lets people sign up in a que, then he’ll tell you when to send your carbs for a rebuild. Hopefully others will have other options, but it’s important to have them properly rebuilt (especially the worn throttle shaft). Replacing them with some PMO carbs may be another option for driving while you keep the originals.
Posted by: bob Sep 14 2018, 08:23 AM
Matt Blast at Eurometrix rebuilds webers. (including throttle-shafts)
[url=https://eurometrix.ws/]
-bob
Posted by: Tom_T Sep 14 2018, 09:08 AM
.... So you decided to stop "Horsin' Around" .... huh!? 
You should probably touch base with George Hussey at Auto Atlanta near-ish to you, & also touch base with Dave W/toolguy in San Diego CA & Andy T/Socalandy in Orange CA on here - since both are very familiar with 914-6's & the "Weber Wars" of getting them sorted. All 3 should have some reccos for you.
I'd heard from Dave that the PMOs have some issues, so ask him about them, as well as Andy & George.
Cheers! 
Tom
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Posted by: burton73 Sep 14 2018, 09:55 AM
Nice looking car! I’d send the carbs to Paul Abbot at Performance Oriented. I think however that he is booked out so far that he lets people sign up in a que, then he’ll tell you when to send your carbs for a rebuild. Hopefully others will have other options, but it’s important to have them properly rebuilt (especially the worn throttle shaft). Replacing them with some PMO carbs may be another option for driving while you keep the originals.
The re-bushing of Webbers is an art and there are not a lot of guys doing this. Plus, it takes forever to get them done. George Rud is right. Get PMOs and save the Webbers so you have what came on the car.
You have a very nice 6 and well great stable of cars.
Welcome to the World!
Bob B
Posted by: Dion Sep 14 2018, 10:31 AM
Welcome & beautiful 914 & car collection!
I recently bought a set of Weber’s from a member here.
He had then recently rebuilt before my purchase . Was very well pleased. My engine isn’t ready to go in my resto. So I’m not running yet.
Perfect Power was the facility’s name I’ll try to link page.
Good luck.
https://perfectpowerinc.com/
Cheers, Dion
Posted by: GeorgeRud Sep 14 2018, 11:52 AM
Sol at Perfect Power is a perfectionist and has been working on these cars for many years. Though his services don’t come cheap, he’ll be sure it’s done correctly. Nice to have him in the Chicagoland area.
Posted by: pete000 Sep 14 2018, 12:11 PM
Looking forward seeing more pictures and progress. Car looks already near perfect !
Posted by: porschetub Sep 14 2018, 02:24 PM
Read somewhere that Paul Abbot is not taking on any new work,he is going to finish his backlog of existing customers and retire.
I suggest the OP go's over to Pelican to get further feedback on carb rebuilders,Henry @ Supertech offers this service from memory,also look into upsizing the venturies ,idle and main jets for a useful power increase.
nice car .
Posted by: rgalla9146 Sep 14 2018, 04:17 PM
.... So you decided to stop "Horsin' Around" .... huh!? You should probably touch base with George Hussey at Auto Atlanta near-ish to you, & also touch base with Dave W/toolguy in San Diego CA & Andy T/Socalandy in Orange CA on here - since both are very familiar with 914-6's & the "Weber Wars" of getting them sorted. All 3 should have some reccos for you.
I'd heard from Dave that the PMOs have some issues, so ask him about them, as well as Andy & George.
Cheers!
Tom
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Welcome !
Looks like you found a great car.
Best color too.
You've come to the right place.
George Hussey ? Caveat emptor.
I used Pierce Manifolds to re-do my throttle shafts to 8.5mm
Rory
PS pictured are cars #1095 and 1108
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Posted by: AHudson Sep 16 2018, 06:04 PM
Man, you guys are great. I went silent over the weekend hosting about 10 of my more insane friends from college days. My wife couldn't get out of town fast enough, so I was stretched a little thin.
Anyway, what a fantastic collection of recommendations; I assure you I will research all. George was kind to me during the looking/authentication process and he knows the car. I was not aware they rebuilt webers.
I've heard of Sol at Perfect Power before and those with the "other" cars with Webers have also spoken of his expertise.
Far as the PMOs, unless I get totally backed off the Weber build, I'll likely try to keep it original as I can, though I understand PMOs are great quality and easier to live with.
Thanks again for the welcome and the advice!
Posted by: Larmo63 Sep 16 2018, 06:10 PM
Curtiss at Parts Klassik too.
Skip Autos Atlanta.
Posted by: Cairo94507 Sep 16 2018, 06:26 PM
Welcome to the club AHudson. That sure looks like a beauty you got there. Looking forward to seeing a lot more photos of that Six. Enjoy and have fun.
Posted by: Lucky9146 Sep 16 2018, 07:03 PM
Man, you guys are great. I went silent over the weekend hosting about 10 of my more insane friends from college days. My wife couldn't get out of town fast enough, so I was stretched a little thin.
Anyway, what a fantastic collection of recommendations; I assure you I will research all. George was kind to me during the looking/authentication process and he knows the car. I was not aware they rebuilt webers.
I've heard of Sol at Perfect Power before and those with the "other" cars with Webers have also spoken of his expertise.
Far as the PMOs, unless I get totally backed off the Weber build, I'll likely try to keep it original as I can, though I understand PMOs are great quality and easier to live with.
Thanks again for the welcome and the advice!
I just might know this AHudson guy and some of the gyrations he went through on this purchase of the 6 and the 4.
Glad to see you are now on the World.
I was out of town and missed your Friday post, you already know Paul Abbott did mine and I suggest you contact him anyway and see what he says.
Told you this is a great site!
Posted by: Mark Henry Sep 16 2018, 10:01 PM
Read somewhere that Paul Abbot is not taking on any new work,he is going to finish his backlog of existing customers and retire.
No, he was taking some personal time and slowing things down a bit, but he's still letting peeps get in cue. Very much not retired.
A lot of guys will wait for his full treatment and of turning the 40's into 42's, cheaper than just a set of 46 cores.
PMO's are a good optiion, but still for a lot of guys they have to be Webers.
Posted by: porschetub Sep 16 2018, 11:59 PM
Curtiss at Parts Klassik too.
Skip Autos Atlanta.
on both counts,feedback on Parts Klassik appears good and they offer a service for rebuilding distributors also.Not a cheap job by any one that offers this service ,lots of hours in labour and if rebushing the spindles is required it all mounts up .
Posted by: Mike Fitton Sep 17 2018, 07:03 AM
+1 on Sol at Perfect Power, he did most of the engine/carb work on my 914-6. You probably saw my 6 on here when it was for sale. Look familiar?
Posted by: Rusty Sep 17 2018, 08:19 AM
I can recommend Bieker Engineering.
My carbs came back looking like jewelry. They weren't rebuilt - they were remanufactured. 
Posted by: AHudson Sep 17 2018, 08:20 AM
Curtiss at Parts Klassik too.
Skip Autos Atlanta.
on both counts,feedback on Parts Klassik appears good and they offer a service for rebuilding distributors also.Not a cheap job by any one that offers this service ,lots of hours in labour and if rebushing the spindles is required it all mounts up .
Kurt at Parts Klassik just emailed to say they don't do this service any more (and haven't in 3 years) so I asked anyone he'd recommend.
I've written every one of the recs from you guys, will be making a decision by end of week.
Posted by: AHudson Sep 17 2018, 08:25 AM
I just might know this AHudson guy and some of the gyrations he went through on this purchase of the 6 and the 4.
Glad to see you are now on the World.
I was out of town and missed your Friday post, you already know Paul Abbott did mine and I suggest you contact him anyway and see what he says.
Told you this is a great site!
Hey Jim! Yes, this is all mostly your fault. And I can't thank you enough!
Funny that my 'perfect' car still requires reasons to spend ungodly hours in the garage, pretending to work on the car in the name of improvement. It's the car guy creed.
Haven't gotten too far into it yet, actually still sorting out what I've got, what it needs, and how far to go. (I keep forgetting that 'budget' part I so quickly bring up when my wife has a project.) You know the drill!
Fun stuff, thanks for the welcome!
Posted by: porbmw Sep 17 2018, 10:01 AM
Read somewhere that Paul Abbot is not taking on any new work,he is going to finish his backlog of existing customers and retire.
No, he was taking some personal time and slowing things down a bit, but he's still letting peeps get in cue. Very much not retired.
A lot of guys will wait for his full treatment and of turning the 40's into 42's, cheaper than just a set of 46 cores.
PMO's are a good optiion, but still for a lot of guys they have to be Webers.
Mark is correct.
Paul moved from California to Oregon.
He is a guru, and books accordingly....with stunning work!
Posted by: AHudson Sep 17 2018, 11:03 AM
Read somewhere that Paul Abbot is not taking on any new work,he is going to finish his backlog of existing customers and retire.
No, he was taking some personal time and slowing things down a bit, but he's still letting peeps get in cue. Very much not retired.
A lot of guys will wait for his full treatment and of turning the 40's into 42's, cheaper than just a set of 46 cores.
PMO's are a good optiion, but still for a lot of guys they have to be Webers.
Mark is correct.
Paul moved from California to Oregon.
He is a guru, and books accordingly....with stunning work!
Just corresponded with Paul, very nice reply that he's going to be working on his 'own' projects for a bit. I completely understand; heck that's what I'm doing too.
The search continues, but have narrowed it down just by process of elimination.
Posted by: toolguy Sep 17 2018, 11:28 AM
Hopefully you still have the stock IDTP Webbers with the 27mm venturies and stock jet setup. . Personal opinion, I'd choose to get them properly cleaned and restored as they are best suited for the low power 914-6 911T motors, mostly because their progression holes are different than the IDA [911S] carbs which have 30mm venturies and not as much off idle / low speed performance oriented.
I had dismal at best experience with PMO carbs and a complete lack of help from the manufacturer who kept insisting there was something wrong with my motor. . My set of late 1990's PMO's had 4 progression holes and were way too rich directly off idle for a 2.0 T motor. . Once I found a good set of Webber bodies and restored them , the rich progression issues were resolved and the same motor responded accordingly.
The only benefit I found to the PMO's was the visible fuel bowl level sight, which is an immediate tip off they are replacement carbs if you want originality.
As for your popping, try cleaning all the idle jets and richen the idle mixture screw a tad for the popping barrel [ or barrels] as a stop gap remedy until you can disassemble them and clean all jets and passages. . that means pulling all the passage plugs to ensure removal of all debris. Also make sure the squirters for the accelerator pump circuit are all working. . they have very tiny outlet holes and plug up easily. . . As for worn throttle shafts, since the wear is below the throttle plates, they will cause a lean condition at idle if wear is too excessive. . if not too worn, this can be compensated for with the idle mixture screws but at some point will need proper rebush or oversized throttle shafts .
Posted by: burton73 Sep 17 2018, 12:17 PM
I can recommend Bieker Engineering.
My carbs came back looking like jewelry. They weren't rebuilt - they were remanufactured.
All that I know of Webbers I learned from Harry Bieker.
Great job but it takes a very long time. When I was 28 I had Lunch with Harry and Galen almost every day. I am 65 now. Harry and Fern and Galen where at my wedding. Many moons ago.
Bob Burton
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