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Posted by: widebody914 Oct 8 2018, 12:42 AM

Hey everyone just trying to reach out and get some diy big brake kit ideas. It’s 2018 and I don’t get why our options are still big reds or switch over to 911. I’m looking to do a willwood setup on a 914-4 suspension. Has anyone done this? Trying to save some coin and time.
Thanks,
Trevor (group5 v8 914)

Posted by: Spoke Oct 8 2018, 05:53 AM

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The 914/4 front suspension is quite limited because it came with a solid rotor and 4-lug hub. The solid rotor is a hindrance to adding big brakes and the 4-lug hub is a hindrance to putting on a myriad of larger and wider 911-type wheels.

The 911 front end is a drop-in, bolt-in replacement for the 914/4 suspension. Most later styles come with vented rotors and even later one have 3.5 inch spaced caliper hard points for larger calipers.

The rear end can be modified in many ways for vented rotors and larger calipers.

Posted by: rgalla9146 Oct 8 2018, 06:03 AM

It's not necessary to change the whole front suspension.
Get struts with 3.5" caliper mounts and your brake options open up.
While your at it install Turbo tie rods.

Posted by: mepstein Oct 8 2018, 06:08 AM

Because the 911 parts already offer so many great options, it’s not worth developing a new product for a very limited application.

911 parts aren’t cheap but are still available at reasonable prices and are a time saver since they bolt in without any fabrication.

Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 8 2018, 06:24 AM

Stock brakes work rather well.

Posted by: Mueller Oct 8 2018, 08:31 AM

I looked into this, the picture shows a billet hub with Wilwood parts bolted to it. I ended up going 5 lug and doing the Boxster calipers (still fit under a 15" wheel)

In this thread someone has a set of billet hubs for sale that uses the stock 911 vented front rotor.


Unless you have access to a machine shop I don't see you saving any money on this.




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Posted by: horizontally-opposed Oct 8 2018, 08:34 AM

There was a kit to adapt the 911 rotor (and more) with four-lug 914 wheels a while back, but I am not sure it was put into production? Also trying to remember if the Bremtek setup could be had in four or five lug?

While the stock brakes do work pretty well on a stock or mostly stock car when they're in good shape, I can see where a Wilwood kit would be appealing if for no other reasons than unsprung weight (the stock steel calipers are boat anchors), sticking with four-lug wheels, and not having to convert the rear end. Downside if you want to do an upgrade in the rear is the parking brake. It's either a second caliper or no parking brake...or complete conversion to 911 rear brakes...which gets you back to a five-lug conversion up front.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Oct 8 2018, 08:35 AM

QUOTE(Mueller @ Oct 8 2018, 07:31 AM) *

I looked into this, the picture shows a billet hub with Wilwood parts bolted to it. I ended up going 5 lug and doing the Boxster calipers (still fit under a 15" wheel)

In this thread someone has a set of billet hubs for sale that uses the stock 911 vented front rotor.


Unless you have access to a machine shop I don't see you saving any money on this.


^ Nailed it.

Posted by: mepstein Oct 8 2018, 08:37 AM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Oct 8 2018, 10:34 AM) *

There was a kit to adapt the 911 rotor (and more) with four-lug 914 wheels a while back, but I am not sure it was put into production? Also trying to remember if the Bremtek setup could be had in four or five lug?

While the stock brakes do work pretty well on a stock or mostly stock car when they're in good shape, I can see where a Wilwood kit would be appealing if for no other reasons than unsprung weight (the stock steel calipers are boat anchors), sticking with four-lug wheels, and not having to convert the rear end. Downside if you want to do an upgrade in the rear is the parking brake. It's either a second caliper or no parking brake...or complete conversion to 911 rear brakes...which gets you back to a five-lug conversion up front.

Or a 914-6 rear caliper. Rotors could be re-drilled to 4 lug.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Oct 8 2018, 08:41 AM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 8 2018, 07:37 AM) *


Or a 914-6 rear caliper. Rotors could be re-drilled to 4 lug.


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But still a boat anchor. Of course, then there's the trailing arm...

It surprises me that no one has done an Elephant Racing style trailing arm for the 914, one with better mounts, better adjustments, and less weight. Between that and the caliper, I wonder how much unsprung weight might be lost in the rear alone. Which raises the question of how much weight might be saved up front with the GT3-style system now available, as well. There's a lot of steel in the 914's suspension. It works, but...

Posted by: eric9144 Oct 8 2018, 09:28 AM

There's plenty of reasonable options if you change the lug pattern to 5... If you're trying to keep it 4 lug then the options are rare at best and expensive--as it's already been said you're way better off converting over.

Unicorn parts for a 4 bolt lug pattern set up, rear disks have to be redrilled to 4 (not for sale)
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Posted by: mepstein Oct 8 2018, 09:40 AM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Oct 8 2018, 10:41 AM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 8 2018, 07:37 AM) *


Or a 914-6 rear caliper. Rotors could be re-drilled to 4 lug.


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But still a boat anchor. Of course, then there's the trailing arm...

It surprises me that no one has done an Elephant Racing style trailing arm for the 914, one with better mounts, better adjustments, and less weight. Between that and the caliper, I wonder how much unsprung weight might be lost in the rear alone. Which raises the question of how much weight might be saved up front with the GT3-style system now available, as well. There's a lot of steel in the 914's suspension. It works, but...

If we are adding lightness into the equation, the 914 trailing arm only weighs a couple pounds. It just looks chunky. Eric Shea/PMB made an aluminum 914-6 caliper. It only got a luke warm reception (914 guys are cheap) but weighs half the steel caliper. I'm sure you could track down a pair. Go with the alloy 3' Brembo caliper on the front (3" struts are lighter than 3.5) the 911 alloy crossmember and you have a killer lightweight big brake setup that bolts on.

Posted by: Mueller Oct 8 2018, 09:50 AM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 8 2018, 08:40 AM) *

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Oct 8 2018, 10:41 AM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 8 2018, 07:37 AM) *


Or a 914-6 rear caliper. Rotors could be re-drilled to 4 lug.


agree.gif

But still a boat anchor. Of course, then there's the trailing arm...

It surprises me that no one has done an Elephant Racing style trailing arm for the 914, one with better mounts, better adjustments, and less weight. Between that and the caliper, I wonder how much unsprung weight might be lost in the rear alone. Which raises the question of how much weight might be saved up front with the GT3-style system now available, as well. There's a lot of steel in the 914's suspension. It works, but...

If we are adding lightness into the equation, the 914 trailing arm only weighs a couple pounds. It just looks chunky. Eric Shea/PMB made an aluminum 914-6 caliper. It only got a luke warm reception (914 guys are cheap) but weighs half the steel caliper. I'm sure you could track down a pair. Go with the alloy 3' Brembo caliper on the front (3" struts are lighter than 3.5) the 911 alloy crossmember and you have a killer lightweight big brake setup that bolts on.



You could go a few steps further for the rear:

Inverted Bilstein monotube shocks (heavy parts mounted to chassis)

Replace heavy rear shock bolt with a smaller diameter bolt in double sheer instead of single sheer (would compliment inverted shock)



Posted by: Chi-town Oct 8 2018, 10:26 AM

I've found a 2 piston aluminum caliper with parking brake capability to replace the annoying manually adjusted factory unit. It has a 3.5' lug mounting so I need to make an adapter bracket but it should work and shave off some weight.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Oct 8 2018, 10:34 AM

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Posted by: widebody914 Oct 8 2018, 10:53 AM

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popcorn[1].gif ................it would be nice to see pictures of your car(s) beer.gif

I am trying to figure out how to post pictures.. if you have Instagram look me up @anigav_480

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 8 2018, 10:56 AM

Ok sorry I should have been more descriptive of my build I have a 914 group5 wide body with a Chevy v8 and I also have a 5x114.3 bolt pattern and my wheels are BBS LMs 18x11 front 18x14 rear. As soon as I figure out how to post pictures I will. If anyone has Instagram my name is @anigav_480

Thanks for all the replies

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 8 2018, 11:03 AM

QUOTE(Mueller @ Oct 8 2018, 09:31 AM) *

I looked into this, the picture shows a billet hub with Wilwood parts bolted to it. I ended up going 5 lug and doing the Boxster calipers (still fit under a 15" wheel)

In this thread someone has a set of billet hubs for sale that uses the stock 911 vented front rotor.


Unless you have access to a machine shop I don't see you saving any money on this.


So who makes this billet hub … it could definitely be an option

Posted by: SirAndy Oct 8 2018, 11:05 AM

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 7 2018, 11:42 PM) *
Trying to save some coin and time.


I have Boxster calipers on all 4 corners.
Best brakes i ever had on the 914 and trust me, i tried a lot of different setups.
The adapters as well as the calipers are readily available.


I'm not sure how reinventing the wheel fits into "saving money and time". There are already plenty of options out there and a good portion of those are (still) affordable.
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Posted by: Mueller Oct 8 2018, 11:17 AM

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 09:56 AM) *

Ok sorry I should have been more descriptive of my build I have a 914 group5 wide body with a Chevy v8 and I also have a 5x114.3 bolt pattern and my wheels are BBS LMs 18x11 front 18x14 rear. As soon as I figure out how to post pictures I will. If anyone has Instagram my name is @anigav_480

Thanks for all the replies



I think it is actually easier to do a brake package with those huge wheels than with small 15" and 16" like many of us.



Posted by: widebody914 Oct 8 2018, 11:23 AM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 8 2018, 12:05 PM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 7 2018, 11:42 PM) *
Trying to save some coin and time.


I have Boxster calipers on all 4 corners.
Best brakes i ever had on the 914 and trust me, i tried a lot of different setups.
The adapters as well as the calipers are readily available.


I'm not sure how reinventing the wheel fits into "saving money and time". There are already plenty of options out there and a good portion of those are (still) affordable.
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PS: welcome.png

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Well I guess I’m just trying not to have to switch to a 911 strut and stick with the 914 4 struts. That’s where I’m trying to save money I already have the struts so looking for options for my 914 4 struts. Just surprised no one has made hubs for these yet.

Ideally I would like to do willwood lite 4 pot calibers with willwood top hats and a vented rotor..if I can just find a hub to work with I think everything else will fall into place.

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 8 2018, 11:27 AM

QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ Oct 8 2018, 07:03 AM) *

It's not necessary to change the whole front suspension.
Get struts with 3.5" caliper mounts and your brake options open up.
While your at it install Turbo tie rods.


Yeah but what strut options do I have just 914-6 and 911.?

Posted by: Mueller Oct 8 2018, 11:52 AM

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 10:23 AM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 8 2018, 12:05 PM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 7 2018, 11:42 PM) *
Trying to save some coin and time.


I have Boxster calipers on all 4 corners.
Best brakes i ever had on the 914 and trust me, i tried a lot of different setups.
The adapters as well as the calipers are readily available.


I'm not sure how reinventing the wheel fits into "saving money and time". There are already plenty of options out there and a good portion of those are (still) affordable.
shades.gif

PS: welcome.png

beerchug.gif
Well I guess I’m just trying not to have to switch to a 911 strut and stick with the 914 4 struts. That’s where I’m trying to save money I already have the struts so looking for options for my 914 4 struts. Just surprised no one has made hubs for these yet.

Ideally I would like to do willwood lite 4 pot calibers with willwood top hats and a vented rotor..if I can just find a hub to work with I think everything else will fall into place.



I guess you didn't look at my post well enough smile.gif

Hubs are available that go directly only the /4 strut. 4 lug and 5 lug.

The downside is that the 911 struts have larger spindles with bigger bearings something that should be important with those huge tires that are going to put additional stresses on the stock parts.

Bearing ID diameters....

914 spindles:
⌀1.147"x.580"W
⌀.6875"x.575"W


911 spindles:
⌀1.250"x.660"W
⌀.750"x.655"W


Posted by: mepstein Oct 8 2018, 12:00 PM

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 01:23 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 8 2018, 12:05 PM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 7 2018, 11:42 PM) *
Trying to save some coin and time.


I have Boxster calipers on all 4 corners.
Best brakes i ever had on the 914 and trust me, i tried a lot of different setups.
The adapters as well as the calipers are readily available.


I'm not sure how reinventing the wheel fits into "saving money and time". There are already plenty of options out there and a good portion of those are (still) affordable.
shades.gif

PS: welcome.png

beerchug.gif
Well I guess I’m just trying not to have to switch to a 911 strut and stick with the 914 4 struts. That’s where I’m trying to save money I already have the struts so looking for options for my 914 4 struts. Just surprised no one has made hubs for these yet.

Ideally I would like to do willwood lite 4 pot calibers with willwood top hats and a vented rotor..if I can just find a hub to work with I think everything else will fall into place.

Because for the cost of a custom set of hubs, you can buy off the shelf 911 parts (struts and hubs) that will bolt on and fit a wide range of calipers and like you said, have bearings that are better suited to wider tires.

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 8 2018, 01:04 PM

QUOTE(Mueller @ Oct 8 2018, 12:52 PM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 10:23 AM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 8 2018, 12:05 PM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 7 2018, 11:42 PM) *
Trying to save some coin and time.


I have Boxster calipers on all 4 corners.
Best brakes i ever had on the 914 and trust me, i tried a lot of different setups.
The adapters as well as the calipers are readily available.


I'm not sure how reinventing the wheel fits into "saving money and time". There are already plenty of options out there and a good portion of those are (still) affordable.
shades.gif

PS: welcome.png

beerchug.gif
Well I guess I’m just trying not to have to switch to a 911 strut and stick with the 914 4 struts. That’s where I’m trying to save money I already have the struts so looking for options for my 914 4 struts. Just surprised no one has made hubs for these yet.

Ideally I would like to do willwood lite 4 pot calibers with willwood top hats and a vented rotor..if I can just find a hub to work with I think everything else will fall into place.



I guess you didn't look at my post well enough smile.gif

Hubs are available that go directly only the /4 strut. 4 lug and 5 lug.

The downside is that the 911 struts have larger spindles with bigger bearings something that should be important with those huge tires that are going to put additional stresses on the stock parts.

Bearing ID diameters....

914 spindles:
⌀1.147"x.580"W
⌀.6875"x.575"W


911 spindles:
⌀1.250"x.660"W
⌀.750"x.655"W


Thank you yeah I didn’t read it right haha my bad

Posted by: saigon71 Oct 8 2018, 01:56 PM

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Oct 8 2018, 08:24 AM) *

Stock brakes work rather well.


I'm with rhodyguy on this. With rebuilt stock calipers, new 17MM master cylinder and new Porterfield pads the stock brakes are really awesome.

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 8 2018, 02:22 PM

QUOTE(saigon71 @ Oct 8 2018, 02:56 PM) *

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Oct 8 2018, 08:24 AM) *

Stock brakes work rather well.


I'm with rhodyguy on this. With rebuilt stock calipers, new 17MM master cylinder and new Porterfield pads the stock brakes are really awesome.


I don’t doubt that one bit but I have a V8 914 and 18inch wheels. I need more stopping power unfortunately.

Posted by: andys Oct 8 2018, 02:45 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 8 2018, 10:05 AM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 7 2018, 11:42 PM) *
Trying to save some coin and time.


I have Boxster calipers on all 4 corners.
Best brakes i ever had on the 914 and trust me, i tried a lot of different setups.
The adapters as well as the calipers are readily available.


I'm not sure how reinventing the wheel fits into "saving money and time". There are already plenty of options out there and a good portion of those are (still) affordable.
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PS: welcome.png


Andy,

Do you have Boxster or Boxster "S" calipers? What size is your master?

Thanks,
Andys

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 8 2018, 05:25 PM

QUOTE(andys @ Oct 8 2018, 03:45 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 8 2018, 10:05 AM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 7 2018, 11:42 PM) *
Trying to save some coin and time.


I have Boxster calipers on all 4 corners.
Best brakes i ever had on the 914 and trust me, i tried a lot of different setups.
The adapters as well as the calipers are readily available.


I'm not sure how reinventing the wheel fits into "saving money and time". There are already plenty of options out there and a good portion of those are (still) affordable.
shades.gif

PS: welcome.png


Andy,

Do you have Boxster or Boxster "S" calipers? What size is your master?

Thanks,
Andys


I think he has boxster only and a 23mc (from what I read doing research throw his postings) could be wrong tho

Posted by: mepstein Oct 8 2018, 07:48 PM

I’ve only used base Boxster calipers for the big brake conversions. I use the Stompski adaptors and he told me to use base calipers and Carrera rotors. The Calipers are getting harder to find and going up in price.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 8 2018, 10:18 PM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Oct 8 2018, 07:41 AM) *

It surprises me that no one has done an Elephant Racing style trailing arm for the 914, one with better mounts, better adjustments, and less weight.


Someone did in the 80s or 90s. They made a steel-tube trailing arm, with camber and toe adjustment at the hub end rather than the chassis end. They didn't sell; they were too expensive and the actual gains didn't seem to be that great.

--DD

Posted by: djway Oct 9 2018, 01:02 AM

If the six banger front spindles are larger diameter than the 4's seems to me like all that needs to be done is to machine bearing races that have the id for the 4 spindle and the od of the 6 race....unless there is also a length difference

Posted by: bulitt Oct 9 2018, 03:08 AM

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 12:53 PM) *

QUOTE(whitetwinturbo @ Oct 8 2018, 11:34 AM) *

popcorn[1].gif ................it would be nice to see pictures of your car(s) beer.gif

I am trying to figure out how to post pictures.. if you have Instagram look me up @anigav_480


Holy Crap Trevor, what a crazy 914! Great job Engineering that Beast!
You shouldn't have any problems figuring out bigger brakes...

Posted by: ClayPerrine Oct 9 2018, 12:14 PM

My idea of the ultimate 914 brake/suspension setup.


911 GT3 front suspension with coilover shocks and Boxster Brakes

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Boxster rear suspension complete with brake calipers.

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Go full race bushings on the Boxster rear suspension.


Very adjustable and capable of handling a lot of HP.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Oct 9 2018, 08:18 PM

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Oct 9 2018, 11:14 AM) *

My idea of the ultimate 914 brake/suspension setup.


911 GT3 front suspension with coilover shocks and Boxster Brakes

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Boxster rear suspension complete with brake calipers.

IPB Image

Go full race bushings on the Boxster rear suspension.


Very adjustable and capable of handling a lot of HP.


Very cool idea, Clay—and GT3 Cup control arms are a direct bolt in for the rear, which offer a lot of precision with more than enough compliance to be nice on the street.

Raise the upper damper mounts for the rear with custom coil-overs and...that would be a very trick setup. And there are a fair number of dead 986s out there. For the very adventurous out there, the GT4 stuff is even nicer....and set up to work with a gearbox with a limited slip diff, axles, and gears good for 385 hp with 300+ lb-ft of torque in a 3000+lb car with sticky 295s out back. If all could be adapted, it might be the ultimate setup for a 914 with a lot of engine. Might have to "downgrade" the brakes, however, as everything is set up for 20-inch wheels. 19s fit over the standard GT4 brakes; 18s are trickier with the knuckles...making the 986 (which used 16s) or 987 era (with 17s) a better fit.

Posted by: ConeDodger Oct 10 2018, 08:34 AM

These will face plant you on the windshield. PMB... evilgrin.gif


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Posted by: Chi-town Oct 10 2018, 09:47 AM

Hopefully they cost a tad less than these

https://www.twinsparkracing.com/shop/rsr-brakes-for-turbo-3-3-wheel-hubs/

or these

https://www.zuffenhaus.us/product/2-8rsr-brake-kit/

Posted by: Rav914 Oct 10 2018, 09:59 AM

QUOTE(saigon71 @ Oct 8 2018, 12:56 PM) *

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Oct 8 2018, 08:24 AM) *

Stock brakes work rather well.


I'm with rhodyguy on this. With rebuilt stock calipers, new 17MM master cylinder and new Porterfield pads the stock brakes are really awesome.


+1

But that's too simple and easy! biggrin.gif

Posted by: tazz9924 Oct 10 2018, 10:01 AM

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 09:56 AM) *

Ok sorry I should have been more descriptive of my build I have a 914 group5 wide body with a Chevy v8 and I also have a 5x114.3 bolt pattern and my wheels are BBS LMs 18x11 front 18x14 rear. As soon as I figure out how to post pictures I will. If anyone has Instagram my name is @anigav_480

Thanks for all the replies

Car in question:
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Posted by: Mueller Oct 10 2018, 11:22 AM

QUOTE(tazz9924 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:01 AM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 09:56 AM) *

Ok sorry I should have been more descriptive of my build I have a 914 group5 wide body with a Chevy v8 and I also have a 5x114.3 bolt pattern and my wheels are BBS LMs 18x11 front 18x14 rear. As soon as I figure out how to post pictures I will. If anyone has Instagram my name is @anigav_480

Thanks for all the replies

Car in question:
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That car has been running stock /4 brakes for how many years? WTF?





Posted by: horizontally-opposed Oct 10 2018, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 09:56 AM) *

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That car has been running stock /4 brakes for how many years? WTF?


agree.gif What he said.

Genuine BBS LM wheels at those sizes, with what I am guessing is a powerful V8, but steel 914-4 calipers?

Time for an upgrade, and with that kind of power I'd be looking at some sort of 4- or even 6- piston setup up front and four pistons at the rear. With a footprint like that, it's definitely worth the best wheel bearings you can get, as well. The 993 GT2 ran wide 18s and was at the limits of its front bearings...and those were the much larger 964/993 concept. Then again, at least the 914 is a fair bit lighter, and I doubt you are running slicks at race speeds for 12 or 24 hours.

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 10 2018, 11:22 PM

QUOTE(bulitt @ Oct 9 2018, 04:08 AM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 12:53 PM) *

QUOTE(whitetwinturbo @ Oct 8 2018, 11:34 AM) *

popcorn[1].gif ................it would be nice to see pictures of your car(s) beer.gif

I am trying to figure out how to post pictures.. if you have Instagram look me up @anigav_480


Holy Crap Trevor, what a crazy 914! Great job Engineering that Beast!
You shouldn't have any problems figuring out bigger brakes...


Haha thank you and yeah I won’t have a problem but I like to look at it from all different angles beerchug.gif

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 10 2018, 11:30 PM

I have been running this setup for over a year now and had no problems at all my setup is huge and my rear tires are 335 r888 so this is why I’m looking for a good break setup. Before this car was just for cruising and shows. Mow I’m looking to get into autox and some road racing.

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 10 2018, 11:36 PM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Oct 10 2018, 01:55 PM) *

QUOTE(Mueller @ Oct 10 2018, 10:22 AM) *


QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 09:56 AM) *

Car in question:
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That car has been running stock /4 brakes for how many years? WTF?


agree.gif What he said.

Genuine BBS LM wheels at those sizes, with what I am guessing is a powerful V8, but steel 914-4 calipers?

Time for an upgrade, and with that kind of power I'd be looking at some sort of 4- or even 6- piston setup up front and four pistons at the rear. With a footprint like that, it's definitely worth the best wheel bearings you can get, as well. The 993 GT2 ran wide 18s and was at the limits of its front bearings...and those were the much larger 964/993 concept. Then again, at least the 914 is a fair bit lighter, and I doubt you are running slicks at race speeds for 12 or 24 hours.


Yeah did everything but breaks last because it was just a weekend warrior but now I want to race and I do plan to run a 6/4 set up mainly looking at willwoods

Posted by: RickS Oct 11 2018, 10:23 AM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 8 2018, 10:05 AM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 7 2018, 11:42 PM) *
Trying to save some coin and time.


I have Boxster calipers on all 4 corners.
Best brakes i ever had on the 914 and trust me, i tried a lot of different setups.
The adapters as well as the calipers are readily available.


I'm not sure how reinventing the wheel fits into "saving money and time". There are already plenty of options out there and a good portion of those are (still) affordable.
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On 15” wheels? And what about the e brake?

Posted by: 914forme Oct 11 2018, 12:07 PM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 8 2018, 11:40 AM) *

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Oct 8 2018, 10:41 AM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 8 2018, 07:37 AM) *


Or a 914-6 rear caliper. Rotors could be re-drilled to 4 lug.


agree.gif

But still a boat anchor. Of course, then there's the trailing arm...

It surprises me that no one has done an Elephant Racing style trailing arm for the 914, one with better mounts, better adjustments, and less weight. Between that and the caliper, I wonder how much unsprung weight might be lost in the rear alone. Which raises the question of how much weight might be saved up front with the GT3-style system now available, as well. There's a lot of steel in the 914's suspension. It works, but...

If we are adding lightness into the equation, the 914 trailing arm only weighs a couple pounds. It just looks chunky. Eric Shea/PMB made an aluminum 914-6 caliper. It only got a luke warm reception (914 guys are cheap) but weighs half the steel caliper. I'm sure you could track down a pair. Go with the alloy 3' Brembo caliper on the front (3" struts are lighter than 3.5) the 911 alloy crossmember and you have a killer lightweight big brake setup that bolts on.

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Anyone have a set of the rear alloy calipers they want to sell? I have the fronts down.

Posted by: mepstein Oct 11 2018, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 8 2018, 07:37 AM) *


Or a 914-6 rear caliper. Rotors could be re-drilled to 4 lug.


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But still a boat anchor. Of course, then there's the trailing arm...

It surprises me that no one has done an Elephant Racing style trailing arm for the 914, one with better mounts, better adjustments, and less weight. Between that and the caliper, I wonder how much unsprung weight might be lost in the rear alone. Which raises the question of how much weight might be saved up front with the GT3-style system now available, as well. There's a lot of steel in the 914's suspension. It works, but...

If we are adding lightness into the equation, the 914 trailing arm only weighs a couple pounds. It just looks chunky. Eric Shea/PMB made an aluminum 914-6 caliper. It only got a luke warm reception (914 guys are cheap) but weighs half the steel caliper. I'm sure you could track down a pair. Go with the alloy 3' Brembo caliper on the front (3" struts are lighter than 3.5) the 911 alloy crossmember and you have a killer lightweight big brake setup that bolts on.

happy11.gif agree.gif

Anyone have a set of the rear alloy calipers they want to sell? I have the fronts down.

When Eric came out with the alloy rears, I was finding rear Ferrari 308 calipers for $250-400 a pair and sending to Eric got the GT conversion. That supply dried up and Eric got tired of selling the alloys near cost. sad.gif
Even the alloy brembo fronts have gone up a lot.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Oct 12 2018, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Oct 9 2018, 11:14 AM) *

My idea of the ultimate 914 brake/suspension setup.


911 GT3 front suspension with coilover shocks and Boxster Brakes

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Boxster rear suspension complete with brake calipers.

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Go full race bushings on the Boxster rear suspension.


Very adjustable and capable of handling a lot of HP.


Very cool idea, Clay—and GT3 Cup control arms are a direct bolt in for the rear, which offer a lot of precision with more than enough compliance to be nice on the street.

Raise the upper damper mounts for the rear with custom coil-overs and...that would be a very trick setup. And there are a fair number of dead 986s out there. For the very adventurous out there, the GT4 stuff is even nicer....and set up to work with a gearbox with a limited slip diff, axles, and gears good for 385 hp with 300+ lb-ft of torque in a 3000+lb car with sticky 295s out back. If all could be adapted, it might be the ultimate setup for a 914 with a lot of engine. Might have to "downgrade" the brakes, however, as everything is set up for 20-inch wheels. 19s fit over the standard GT4 brakes; 18s are trickier with the knuckles...making the 986 (which used 16s) or 987 era (with 17s) a better fit.



I am seriously considering this after I get the 4.0 and cayman 6 speed in my car. Then I can use stock cayman trans mounts!

Posted by: ConeDodger Oct 12 2018, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 8 2018, 11:40 AM) *

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Oct 8 2018, 10:41 AM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 8 2018, 07:37 AM) *


Or a 914-6 rear caliper. Rotors could be re-drilled to 4 lug.


agree.gif

But still a boat anchor. Of course, then there's the trailing arm...

It surprises me that no one has done an Elephant Racing style trailing arm for the 914, one with better mounts, better adjustments, and less weight. Between that and the caliper, I wonder how much unsprung weight might be lost in the rear alone. Which raises the question of how much weight might be saved up front with the GT3-style system now available, as well. There's a lot of steel in the 914's suspension. It works, but...

If we are adding lightness into the equation, the 914 trailing arm only weighs a couple pounds. It just looks chunky. Eric Shea/PMB made an aluminum 914-6 caliper. It only got a luke warm reception (914 guys are cheap) but weighs half the steel caliper. I'm sure you could track down a pair. Go with the alloy 3' Brembo caliper on the front (3" struts are lighter than 3.5) the 911 alloy crossmember and you have a killer lightweight big brake setup that bolts on.

happy11.gif agree.gif

Anyone have a set of the rear alloy calipers they want to sell? I have the fronts down.


Yes I do have a set of the rear alloy calipers and no I don’t want to sell them. smile.gif

Posted by: Mueller Oct 12 2018, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 09:56 AM) *

Ok sorry I should have been more descriptive of my build I have a 914 group5 wide body with a Chevy v8 and I also have a 5x114.3 bolt pattern and my wheels are BBS LMs 18x11 front 18x14 rear. As soon as I figure out how to post pictures I will. If anyone has Instagram my name is @anigav_480

Thanks for all the replies

Car in question:



That bolt pattern could be a blessing or a curse being a common Ford pattern.


On the plus side tons of big brake kits for Mustangs so the aluminum hats are available however the rotor offset might be funky. You will also have to deal with the hubs being so large in diameter, I ran into this when I did a 4x100 conversion on 914 years ago.

I would research what people have done with earlier 911s and contact Wilwood or Patrick motosports.

Might have to piece something together, but see below for some ideas.
https://www.rsrproducts.com/911-brake-systems



Posted by: ConeDodger Oct 13 2018, 12:50 PM

I was going to say mine work well, but now that we’ve seen the car, you need something like PMB is coming out with. Mine is Ferrari 308/Alfa alloy fronts, and PMB alloy 914-6 rears.

The new PMB calipers, without the other things you’ll need to install them, will be in the neighborhood of $3500.00. But you’ll by god stop! Even that monster! Which looks pretty trick by the way... evilgrin.gif


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Posted by: Mueller Oct 13 2018, 03:07 PM

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I was going to say mine work well, but now that we’ve seen the car, you need something like PMB is coming out with. Mine is Ferrari 308/Alfa alloy fronts, and PMB alloy 914-6 rears.

The new PMB calipers, without the other things you’ll need to install them, will be in the neighborhood of $3500.00. But you’ll by god stop! Even that monster! Which looks pretty trick by the way... evilgrin.gif


As cool as those new calipers look, the rotors are way too small for those 18" wheels.

Posted by: mgp4591 Oct 13 2018, 04:10 PM

QUOTE(Mueller @ Oct 13 2018, 03:07 PM) *

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Oct 13 2018, 11:50 AM) *

I was going to say mine work well, but now that we’ve seen the car, you need something like PMB is coming out with. Mine is Ferrari 308/Alfa alloy fronts, and PMB alloy 914-6 rears.

The new PMB calipers, without the other things you’ll need to install them, will be in the neighborhood of $3500.00. But you’ll by god stop! Even that monster! Which looks pretty trick by the way... evilgrin.gif


As cool as those new calipers look, the rotors are way too small for those 18" wheels.

They're radial mounted so you may be able to change the adapter size and bolt em up to the Carrera 24mm rotors. Other rotors with increased diameter are questionable so you might have to go to a full on 918 setup! happy11.gif

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 14 2018, 10:19 PM

QUOTE(Mueller @ Oct 12 2018, 09:15 PM) *

QUOTE(tazz9924 @ Oct 10 2018, 09:01 AM) *

QUOTE(widebody914 @ Oct 8 2018, 09:56 AM) *

Ok sorry I should have been more descriptive of my build I have a 914 group5 wide body with a Chevy v8 and I also have a 5x114.3 bolt pattern and my wheels are BBS LMs 18x11 front 18x14 rear. As soon as I figure out how to post pictures I will. If anyone has Instagram my name is @anigav_480

Thanks for all the replies

Car in question:



That bolt pattern could be a blessing or a curse being a common Ford pattern.


On the plus side tons of big brake kits for Mustangs so the aluminum hats are available however the rotor offset might be funky. You will also have to deal with the hubs being so large in diameter, I ran into this when I did a 4x100 conversion on 914 years ago.

I would research what people have done with earlier 911s and contact Wilwood or Patrick motosports.

Might have to piece something together, but see below for some ideas.
https://www.rsrproducts.com/911-brake-systems


Yeah true true and willwood is good help but I live by Patrick Motorsports and unless you have a ton of money they will not help

Posted by: widebody914 Oct 14 2018, 10:21 PM

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Oct 13 2018, 01:50 PM) *

I was going to say mine work well, but now that we’ve seen the car, you need something like PMB is coming out with. Mine is Ferrari 308/Alfa alloy fronts, and PMB alloy 914-6 rears.

The new PMB calipers, without the other things you’ll need to install them, will be in the neighborhood of $3500.00. But you’ll by god stop! Even that monster! Which looks pretty trick by the way... evilgrin.gif


Thanks but I think that’s a little outside what I want to pay to stop my car beerchug.gif and thanks for the car complement I’m currently re building it again

Posted by: Chris914n6 Oct 15 2018, 01:01 AM

Lots of cars are 5x114. In particular the Nissan 350z/370z. Lots of big brakes there. Caliper spacing is 4" but you would need brackets to clear 12" rotors anyways. They also mount outside the hub, so cutting the rotors off stock hubs might work out with spacing.

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