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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 7 2018, 11:41 AM
For those of you with an interest in this car, Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/pa19
The 916 is the rarest production Porsche ever made, and this one the prototype of the prototype, fitted with a 2.9 RS engine, and personally owned by a member of the Porsche family. What else could make it more valuable?
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Posted by: mepstein Nov 7 2018, 11:58 AM
Are 916’s production cars or prototype cars?
Posted by: horizontally-opposed Nov 7 2018, 12:06 PM
For those of you with an interest in this car, Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/pa19
The 916 is the rarest production Porsche ever made, and this one the prototype of the prototype, fitted with a 2.9 RS engine, and personally owned by a member of the Porsche family. What else could make it more valuable?
9141430195
A set of Avon CR6ZZs or CN36s...as that crowd craves originality and "period correct."
Seriously, this will be a very interesting result to watch.
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 7 2018, 12:06 PM
The fact that they had unique serial numbers, were sold to retail buyers, and at least one came to the U S with the dot sticker in the door jamb also sold new to a retail buyer, in my opinion makes them production cars. HOWEVER, Brutus is indeed a prototype, as it started as a 914-6, had a 914-6 serial number, and was made into a 916 by the factory, and never sold new by Porsche
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 7 2018, 12:08 PM
All THAT crowd at Amelia wants is the story, I have seen filthy non original cars win awards there!!
For those of you with an interest in this car, Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/pa19
The 916 is the rarest production Porsche ever made, and this one the prototype of the prototype, fitted with a 2.9 RS engine, and personally owned by a member of the Porsche family. What else could make it more valuable?
9141430195
A set of Avon CR6ZZs or CN36s...as that crowd craves originality and "period correct."
Seriously, this will be a very interesting result to watch.
Posted by: pete000 Nov 7 2018, 12:11 PM
That needs to be in the AA collection...Bid high !
Posted by: bandjoey Nov 7 2018, 12:49 PM
A Half Millikn Dollar car?
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 7 2018, 01:07 PM
They are hoping that it sets a record for a 914 type car. If it does, it would be great for all of us, and the 914 would get some more world wide recognition. Look at this article:
http://www.westside-59.com/Worlds-12-Rarest-Cars.htm
A Half Millikn Dollar car?
Posted by: EdwardBlume Nov 7 2018, 01:59 PM
I’ll start the bidding...
$100
Posted by: siverson Nov 7 2018, 03:35 PM
I’ll start the bidding...
$100
$109.14 from me!
-Steve
Posted by: Mueller Nov 7 2018, 03:49 PM
Will you give a discount to the new owner on some of your stainless bumpers to replace those hideous ones currently on the car?
Posted by: Gustl Nov 7 2018, 03:55 PM
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 7 2018, 04:02 PM
I thought that she was Ferry's sister?
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 7 2018, 04:03 PM
As usual, thank you very much for the clarification. I thought that she was Ferry's sister?
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Posted by: Gustl Nov 7 2018, 04:10 PM
Louise Porsche was Ferry's sister, and she married Anton Piëch => Louise Piëch
These are the parents of Ferdinand Piëch (husband of Corina)
Posted by: Larmo63 Nov 7 2018, 04:54 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_family
Posted by: jim_hoyland Nov 7 2018, 05:06 PM
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Are there pictures of Corina with Brutus ?
And, is she still alive ?
Posted by: rhodyguy Nov 7 2018, 05:22 PM
Ferry got around a bit with the ladies.
Posted by: Porschef Nov 7 2018, 05:46 PM
Keep it in the family...
Posted by: rgalla9146 Nov 7 2018, 05:59 PM
Check that right heat exchanger for the MFI warm air.
I saw one of those for sale in Europe years ago.
Look at how the factory did the clutch release arm for the 916 trans.
All cool stuff.
Posted by: pete000 Nov 7 2018, 07:27 PM
916 = 3 million plus WOW !
Posted by: bandjoey Nov 7 2018, 08:29 PM
3 Million?
Posted by: JmuRiz Nov 7 2018, 08:50 PM
I guess the auction will set the market, will be an interesting result.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Nov 7 2018, 09:52 PM
Wonder how the yellow 916 is doing these days, it was owned by one of the Porsche gals as well. My old friend Otis Chandler acquired it in the early 1980s from the Porsche Family, he sold it to a collector about 10 years later. It went to a private Porsche museum in Japan. These cars didn't trade for much coin back then; it's all about the 6 and 7 figures today 
Posted by: horizontally-opposed Nov 7 2018, 10:29 PM
Wonder how the yellow 916 is doing these days, it was owned by one of the Porsche gals as well. My old friend Otis Chandler acquired it in the early 1980s from the Porsche Family, he sold it to a collector about 10 years later. It went to a private Porsche museum in Japan. These cars didn't trade for much coin back then; it's all about the 6 and 7 figures today
It's alive and well, Marty, and featured in the new version of the book, Carrera RS. Restored but for the original brown paisley, as it isn't available. Owner has a house in Europe and the U.S. and is definitely one of us...forgot which house he keeps it at.
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 8 2018, 08:45 AM
blue one sold for $ 300k in 06.. I think its austria
Posted by: mepstein Nov 8 2018, 08:48 AM
blue one sold for $ 300k in 06.. I think its austria
So 3 mill is asking price, not a sold price?
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 8 2018, 08:55 AM
1972 Porsche 916
Price: $285,000 Sold
gustl's friend bought it,,Austria
https://www.carsauto.com/1972-porsche-916-c-315.htm
Gustl's thread
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=73194&st=20
pic of some you guy
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Posted by: horizontally-opposed Nov 8 2018, 09:20 AM
gustl's friend bought it,,Austria
Gustl's thread
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=73194&st=20
^Yep, and I believe it is now restored in its original very dark blue non metallic?
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 8 2018, 10:41 AM
not that I know of, those automotive journalists often fire from the hip
blue one sold for $ 300k in 06.. I think its austria
So 3 mill is asking price, not a sold price?
Posted by: horizontally-opposed Nov 8 2018, 11:21 AM
not that I know of, those automotive journalists often fire from the hip
Way too often. Been cleaning up after writers for 20 years, and in seeing the raw stuff have been amazed what some writers are willing to see printed with their name on it—or worse, commit a publisher to. The good news: The thoughtful writers outnumber the hip-shooters, in my experience.
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 8 2018, 11:45 AM
my guess for Brutus is 1.2 mil.
Posted by: 9146GUY Nov 8 2018, 12:53 PM
From another post in this thread......
For those of you with an interest in this car, Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/pa19
The 916 is the rarest production Porsche ever made, and this one the prototype of the prototype, fitted with a 2.9 RS engine, and personally owned by a member of the Porsche family. What else could make it more valuable?
I can't argue with the provenance of Brutus but I would ask the question how do you know that this car is the "prototype of the prototype" How do know that there aren't other cars out there that are factory built steel roof cars?
Posted by: GregAmy Nov 8 2018, 12:58 PM
9141430195 was the first one built, and the only one in 1971, the other 10 being '72s.
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 8 2018, 01:27 PM
9141430195 was the first one built, and the only one in 1971, the other 10 being '72s.
good man, AND the only 916 with a 914-6 id number, the rest had 916 serial numbers
Posted by: 9146GUY Nov 8 2018, 01:50 PM
So Porsche built 11 916's all in SN sequence and are all 72's. Can't argue that. But how many other 914's have factory installed steel roof panels? The 908/914 that is in the museum and Brutus are two more besides the 916's. Are there any others that anyone is aware of?
Posted by: SirAndy Nov 8 2018, 02:16 PM
The car's early days are actually pretty well documented ...
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 8 2018, 03:26 PM
is there one out there that they say some Porsche branch built way later ??
Posted by: Gustl Nov 8 2018, 04:33 PM
blue one sold for $ 300k in 06.. I think its austria
no, it's in Germany
yellow #11 and green #13 are in Austria
Posted by: Dave_Darling Nov 8 2018, 05:42 PM
I remember seeing the blue one a number of times back when it lived in N. California. Including seeing it driving on El Camino Real, leaving the Stanford Concours. And getting to crawl all over it in the parking lot of the Monterey Historics in 1998. I even have a couple of analog photos of it there...
--DD
Posted by: pete000 Nov 8 2018, 06:30 PM
I even have a couple of analog photos of it there...
--DD
Please share !
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Nov 8 2018, 07:11 PM
Wonder how the yellow 916 is doing these days, it was owned by one of the Porsche gals as well. My old friend Otis Chandler acquired it in the early 1980s from the Porsche Family, he sold it to a collector about 10 years later. It went to a private Porsche museum in Japan. These cars didn't trade for much coin back then; it's all about the 6 and 7 figures today
It's alive and well, Marty, and featured in the new version of the book, Carrera RS. Restored but for the original brown paisley, as it isn't available. Owner has a house in Europe and the U.S. and is definitely one of us...forgot which house he keeps it at.
Good to hear that it's in good hands Pete, our cars don't seem to get into the hands of Flippers often. Good caregivers of the 914 are good people
Posted by: gulf908 Nov 9 2018, 12:18 AM
at the Essen show 2013
it was there for the press day and gone the next !
POA of course
in 1998 at the 50th it belonged to a Ken from LA who I remember was connected with LAX airport (??)
cheers
Dennis
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Posted by: horizontally-opposed Nov 9 2018, 12:56 AM
at the Essen show 2013
it was there for the press day and gone the next !
POA of course
in 1998 at the 50th it belonged to a Ken from LA who I remember was connected with LAX airport (??)
cheers
Dennis
Is that the other blue one? Note the black interior...
Posted by: eitnurg Nov 9 2018, 02:14 AM
Is that the other blue one? Note the black interior...
?? Neither of them had a black interior - they were either Paisley (9142330017) or tan leather (9142330018)
They can also be recognised by the wheels (although they could be swapped around): 17 they differed front to rear, 18 they were the same (7x15?) all round.
(The rear badging also differs).
9142330017:
9142330018 (the ex-navy blue one):
Posted by: jim_hoyland Nov 9 2018, 06:49 AM
Saw this recently, any info on the interior door panel design origins ?
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Posted by: Steve Nov 9 2018, 08:48 AM
We should plan a trip to the Peterson Museum for those that have not seen Brutus yet.
I heard it's only going to be there until January.
Posted by: worn Nov 9 2018, 09:06 AM
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Are there pictures of Corina with Brutus ?
And, is she still alive ?
Corina, Corina, where you been so long...
Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 9 2018, 09:40 AM
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Are there pictures of Corina with Brutus ?
And, is she still alive ?
Corina, Corina, where you been so long...
Well he’s alive and women live longer. She was his first wife right? A search seems to indicate she holds a patent for a motorcycle helmet?
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 9 2018, 10:03 AM
yes and yes
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Are there pictures of Corina with Brutus ?
And, is she still alive ?
Corina, Corina, where you been so long...
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 9 2018, 10:05 AM
yes, its stay was just extended till the end of January, but will leave for Paris in the very beginning of February
We should plan a trip to the Peterson Museum for those that have not seen Brutus yet.
I heard it's only going to be there until January.
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 9 2018, 10:19 AM
what ? you dont have one ?
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Posted by: Ferg Nov 9 2018, 10:30 AM
"right click save as" 
Posted by: Kaeferfreund Nov 9 2018, 02:17 PM
Is that the other blue one? Note the black interior...
?? Neither of them had a black interior - they were either Paisley (9142330017) or tan leather (9142330018)
They can also be recognised by the wheels (although they could be swapped around): 17 they differed front to rear, 18 they were the same (7x15?) all round.
(The rear badging also differs).
9142330017:
9142330018 (the ex-navy blue one):
At current the #17 has some other rims.
Posted by: Rleog Nov 9 2018, 02:58 PM
“Corina, Corina, where you been so long...”
Leo Kottke. (Corrina)
https://youtu.be/VCg2VMtTF9c
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Nov 10 2018, 04:14 PM
I'll def check out this exhibit before the Porsche Effect tour is moved out...check out Brutus while we are there. I'll be taking the " Petersen Vault " tour with a friend (owns the LeMans #40). Should be interesting to hear what the tour guide spins>> while waliking along in the unknowing company of the LeMans 914 owner
Posted by: davesprinkle Nov 11 2018, 03:39 PM
What's up with the fuel tank on Brutus?
Posted by: seanery Nov 11 2018, 08:21 PM
What's the current state of the Sonauto car? Is it still/again in the proper winning livery?
with a friend (owns the LeMans #40).
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 11 2018, 08:52 PM
What's the current state of the Sonauto car? Is it still/again in the proper winning livery?
with a friend (owns the LeMans #40).
mike kinda went silent...but didnt he have a repo of it built from his other 914-6 ??
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