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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ A FAT Performance 2.8 motor up for auction on BaT
Posted by: Big Len Dec 18 2018, 10:04 AM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/modfied-2840cc-type4-engine/
Posted by: bretth Dec 18 2018, 11:43 AM
Looks like a very nice Xmas gift for someone to buy for themselves.
Posted by: thelogo Dec 18 2018, 02:34 PM
Seems like a bit much for the street
Maybe good for streets of willow spring s
Or baja 1000 
Posted by: JmuRiz Dec 18 2018, 03:16 PM
For some reason this comes to mind:
Every (that) big 4 I've seen has ended up like the above GIF
Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 18 2018, 06:03 PM
For some reason this comes to mind:
Every (that) big 4 I've seen has ended up like the above GIF
My 2.6 nickies engine has at least 20K+ miles on it.
That FAT shroud won't fit under a 914 decklid.
Posted by: JmuRiz Dec 18 2018, 07:50 PM
But you were smart enough to use nickies;)
Posted by: rgalla9146 Dec 18 2018, 09:43 PM
Beautifully done.
It'll be plenty of fun
Posted by: infraredcalvin Dec 19 2018, 12:10 AM
That FAT shroud won't fit under a 914 decklid.
I beg to differ (as long as you remove the rain tray), this is in my (new to me) Xmas present...
Posted by: mepstein Dec 19 2018, 08:12 AM
It's too bad our 914's don't show off the fan like a 911/912 does.
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Posted by: 914forme Dec 19 2018, 05:57 PM
I am glad they don't that means the engine is in the correct position in the car.
Posted by: mb911 Dec 19 2018, 06:52 PM
That's allot of coin for a 4cyl build.. I have never ridden in hot type 4 914 but I bet it's fun.. What kind of longevity do you get from that?
Posted by: DickSteinkamp Dec 19 2018, 06:55 PM
It's too bad our 914's don't show off the fan like a 911/912 does.
912s don't...
Posted by: 914forme Dec 19 2018, 06:56 PM
912E did
Posted by: DickSteinkamp Dec 19 2018, 09:00 PM
912E did
I always thought they looked like this one...
...but I guess the little blower at the lower rear qualifies.
Posted by: porschetub Dec 20 2018, 12:06 PM
It's too bad our 914's don't show off the fan like a 911/912 does.
That's a view we all miss with the 914,tarted up my "6" fin etc but don't forget its spinning there ….chipped a long nail when tuning mine,could have been a digit gone.
Message to self make the firewall opening bigger for those 6k timing checks :sawzall
Why will this motor be a timebomb ? ,check on Fat's past rep ...very strong builds in offroad and streetable t4 motors for a very long time.
Those TQ numbers are great @ lower RPM and max HP is sensible,sounds like it has to be a good engine,don't see any oil cooler however,is it missing? surely it can't have been on a dyno without it.
Read the comments on the auction !!!,one guy replied that it may have an offset ground crank …..really
.Posted by: Dave_Darling Dec 21 2018, 09:31 PM
No oil cooler on the block that I can see. External cooler required. 105mm cast-iron cylinders are not usually good for reliability. One guy did his own engine of similar displacement and had to do a top-end on it every year. I wouldn't be surprised if this were similar; heads refreshed (possibly cracks welded up) and a hone and re-ring every year or so.
--DD
Posted by: 914forme Dec 21 2018, 09:59 PM
Posted by: mepstein Dec 22 2018, 09:00 AM
LOL . I was thinking 912 with a six.
Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 22 2018, 10:22 AM
That's allot of coin for a 4cyl build.. I have never ridden in hot type 4 914 but I bet it's fun.. What kind of longevity do you get from that?
The problem with the build is the iron cylinders, with 103's maybe at best 20K before you need to refresh and install new cylinders. 105's are even thinner.
My 2.6 78X102 with nickies has 20K on it now, at 80K (max) I'll refresh the heads, but the P&C's should be good to go. I chose the 102's over the 103 just because the cylinder walls are a bit thicker.
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 22 2018, 11:36 AM
I believe they call that one a "911" ...
Posted by: rhodyguy Dec 22 2018, 11:58 AM
Clone. A 12 is a 12 and an 11 is an 11.
Posted by: Dave_Darling Dec 22 2018, 01:28 PM
I always called it a "912-6".
--DD
Posted by: barefoot Dec 23 2018, 09:39 AM
That FAT shroud won't fit under a 914 decklid.
I beg to differ (as long as you remove the rain tray), this is in my (new to me) Xmas present...
Is this a dry sump conversion??
Posted by: 914forme Dec 23 2018, 01:15 PM
Full flow setup, dry sump would have a different oil pump. Like this one or similar.
Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 23 2018, 06:33 PM
Not a T4 case, it's a T1 case, drilled for the T3 but still a T1 case.
Pump looks like a melling, but the fancy case machining says it would be clearance for dry sump. The issue with the dry sump pump is it interferes with the pulley, both T1 and T4.
But a 911 fan conversion uses a much smaller pulley and doesn't interfere with the dry sump pump. It's why with the german VW bug track racer crowd the 911 fan (and T4 conversion) is so popular.
My '67 bug with a T4 has oil light cornering issues, level halfway on the dipstick I can easily turn on my idiot light. So I always run 250ml over the top line, it's a lowered bug so I can't run a tuna can.
Posted by: Dave_Darling Dec 23 2018, 07:25 PM
Not a T4 case, it's a T1 case, drilled for the T3 but still a T1 case.
Which one? The one in the auction sure looks like a Type IV to me. Please school me if I'm wrong!!
--DD
Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 24 2018, 12:48 AM
Not a T4 case, it's a T1 case, drilled for the T3 but still a T1 case.
Which one? The one in the auction sure looks like a Type IV to me. Please school me if I'm wrong!!
--DD
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Posted by: infraredcalvin Dec 24 2018, 01:11 AM
That FAT shroud won't fit under a 914 decklid.
I beg to differ (as long as you remove the rain tray), this is in my (new to me) Xmas present...
Is this a dry sump conversion??
Yes it’s a dry sump (using a 6 oil tank in the stock location). I also have a tuna can where the pickup is connected...
Posted by: Big Len Dec 26 2018, 01:54 PM
Sold for $18,000 Wow
Posted by: 914forme Dec 26 2018, 02:31 PM
Posted by: 914forme Dec 26 2018, 02:43 PM
Sorry I don't agree it is not a dry sump.
Builder documentation tells a very different story.
And I am back to WOW, just WOW. I must be out of tune on engine costs.
Posted by: mepstein Dec 26 2018, 02:59 PM
I'd want a good running 3.6 for $18K.
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 26 2018, 08:59 PM
With a 993 still attached to it ...
Posted by: mepstein Dec 26 2018, 10:29 PM
With a 993 still attached to it ...
thats what I mean. 964 or 993 engine. 300hp and EFI. For $18K, you might even get a 915 trans thrown in.
But to each their own.
Posted by: Amphicar770 Dec 26 2018, 11:36 PM
Normally WOW but BAT seems to be the auction site where wealthy fools and their money are frequently parted. It has become kind of like the online equivalent of the Scottsdale auctions where a couple of 1-percenters will let their egos place bids far beyond market value or common sense.
Posted by: Steve Dec 27 2018, 12:04 AM
Must of been a bidding war.
How much is it really worth?
Posted by: Coondog Dec 27 2018, 06:16 AM
Normally WOW but BAT seems to be the auction site where wealthy fools and their money are frequently parted. It has become kind of like the online equivalent of the Scottsdale auctions where a couple of 1-percenters will let their egos place bids far beyond market value or common sense.
Well Said Sir........
Posted by: rhodyguy Dec 27 2018, 07:29 AM
As this engine was built in 2016 does that mean other than dyno time it's brand new And just been sitting around for 2+years? Prob not where I'd drop 18k. Isn't the DTM the go to upright fan?
Posted by: Mike Fitton Dec 27 2018, 07:56 AM
Pretty simple math, if you want a Fat Performance engine the build was $17,300 in 2016 so add a couple grand and long wait time then it is a good deal for someone wanting one of these. I guarantee there was more than 2 bidders on this.
Posted by: Tdskip Dec 27 2018, 08:14 AM
Looks like it was bought by a guy who’s going to put it in 356 that he hasn’t actually been bought yet.
Posted by: Big Len Dec 27 2018, 08:20 AM
Normally WOW but BAT seems to be the auction site where wealthy fools and their money are frequently parted. It has become kind of like the online equivalent of the Scottsdale auctions where a couple of 1-percenters will let their egos place bids far beyond market value or common sense.
Well Said Sir........
I believe it was bought by the owner of Weather Tech products.
Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 27 2018, 08:56 AM
I never build engines on speculation, always been a losing endeavor.
Maybe it's time to rethink that...
Posted by: thelogo Dec 27 2018, 02:39 PM
I guess this will fit in a 356 better then a 3.6 would ?
But still seems a little much
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