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Posted by: SKL1 Feb 6 2019, 04:57 PM
Trying to find previous threads or info on how to add resistance to circuits after LED bulb installation. (search function not helping...)
Having issues with turn signals after changing to all LED bulbs.
TIA.
Posted by: windforfun Feb 6 2019, 05:10 PM
Trying to find previous threads or info on how to add resistance to circuits after LED bulb installation. (search function not helping...)
Having issues with turn signals after changing to all LED bulbs.
TIA.
What are the issues?
Posted by: ConeDodger Feb 6 2019, 05:31 PM
Spoke’s site lists a resistor for that.
Posted by: lierofox Feb 6 2019, 06:06 PM
If your issue is hyper-flashing, and your question is how to wire them in, you'll want to splice in the resistor in parallel across the wires going to the bulb to increase the current draw the flasher sees.
If you prefer not to hack into the wiring and want to keep the current draw low (which is a good benefit of going LED in the first place) you could do what I did and go with an electronic flasher. Spokeworks sells one (Novita EP26) already modified to work in the 914, or you can buy and modify the flasher yourself according to his tech article https://www.spokeworksled.com/ep26-mod-single-indicator
Posted by: windforfun Feb 6 2019, 06:29 PM
If your issue is hyper-flashing, and your question is how to wire them in, you'll want to splice in the resistor in parallel across the wires going to the bulb to increase the current draw the flasher sees.
If you prefer not to hack into the wiring and want to keep the current draw low (which is a good benefit of going LED in the first place) you could do what I did and go with an electronic flasher. Spokeworks sells one (Novita EP26) already modified to work in the 914, or you can buy and modify the flasher yourself according to his tech article https://www.spokeworksled.com/ep26-mod-single-indicator
This is correct. The additional resistor in parallel reduces the resistance & increases the load (i.e. more current flow). However, I would go with the Spokeworks rig.
Posted by: Spoke Feb 6 2019, 07:32 PM
Stuart,
What issues are you seeing? With your '71 or '73, both will have separate L and R indicators in the tach. With LED turnsignals being a very light load, the common connection for the L & R indicators doesn't close and thus both L and R indicators flash together the the opposite side LEDs may flash gently.
The elegant solution is to replace the OEM flasher with an LED-compatible EP26 flasher with K/C2 pin grounded internally. This is what I sell.
You can add high power 6 ohm, 50W resistors to satisfy the OEM flasher. Pigtail assemblies can be found online. There are 2 issues with this:
1) you have to crimp the assembly on the wiring and the resistor has to go somewhere.
2) The lower power LEDs ease the loading on the 914 wiring. The ballast resistor simply burns power and erases the power savings on the electrical system.
Here's how the 914 OEM flasher works. When the exterior bulbs are flashing and heavy current is flowing, the secondary relay connected to the K lead closes and lights just one of the tach indicators as shown by the arrows. Notice the L indicator is connected to the right turnsignals and R indicator connected to the left turnsignals. This is proper operation.
When the exterior bulbs are converted to LEDs as shown below on the left, the LEDs on the right side light up but the current is now small. So small is the current that the secondary K relay doesn't close. Thus the R and L indicators are basically in series and both flash together. This situation also occurs with standard bulbs when the efficiency of the secondary K relay drops and both flash together.
With LED turnsignals, what also can happen is the current of the R and L indicators flows through the LEFT turnsignals. If all left turnsignals are LEDs, they will light up slightly. This is called ghosting. An LED will light up even with a tiny amount of current.
To remedy this ghosting, the circuit on the right has the OEM flasher replaced by an LED-compatible EP26 flasher with the C2/K lead connected to ground. Now the left and right turnsignals are completely isolated from each other and no ghosting occurs.
However, the R indicator will flash with the left turnsignals and L indicator with the right turnsignals. This can be fixed by pulling out the tach and swapping the entire bulb assemblies. Do not pull the wires off to swap. 
Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Feb 6 2019, 07:38 PM
Trying to find previous threads or info on how to add resistance to circuits after LED bulb installation. (search function not helping...)
Having issues with turn signals after changing to all LED bulbs.
TIA.
I got some of those gauge size LEDs and installed them in my 912. I used them only where I really needed them: gauge back lights, I can see my gauges now! High beam (the blue one that always goes dark with age)-now is visible. I didn't put them in sockets where I had no trouble seeing the lights before, like generator, oil pressure, hand brake and turn signals. Maybe try that instead of resisters and expensive bulb?
Unless you changed the corner turn signal bulbs as well. If so, where did you get them?
Posted by: SKL1 Feb 6 2019, 11:08 PM
Thanks for the info guys- this site is always great for DIY's.
I kind of cheated as the LED bulbs are in a "new" to me '72 911 I'm restoring. Wish I'd known Spoke made the boards for it as I have them in both 914's and they work great!
Think I need to get his modified relay!!
(relay ordered!! Along with rear side reflector boards... thx spoke)
Posted by: Matty900 Feb 7 2019, 01:05 AM
Just resolved this issue on my car. The lights could be switched between low and high beams just fine until I had the fog lights on. I put in the resistor and bingo. Problem solved.
We will have these in stock on Monday. https://900designs-container.zoeysite.com/load-resistors-for-led-lights
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