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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ 123 Distributor group buy (Feb 2019)
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 11 2019, 01:57 PM
Ed at Ignition123USA has kindly agreed to give us a discounted price again this year.
Here is his PM to me:
"Hi Matt
Sure we can do a group buy.
I will set up the code 914GB19
It will give you 5% off
If it reaches 10 customers you will be refunded the additional 5%
I will run it for a month.
Hope this helps
Ed "
We've got 10+ orders already through the group buy, so everyone gets 10% off! Thanks to everyone who jumped on board (or off the cliff, or over the fence)!
Selection info from last year's thread:
914 models are available in the following configurations:
1. http://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-912-914-356-vw-411e-412e-1600e-switched-w-o-vacuum-porsche-4-r-includes-spacer/ Will work with engines that have carbs, L-Jet or aftermarket FI. Will not work with D-Jet.
2. http://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-912-914-356-vw-411e-412e-1600e-switched-with-vacuum-porsche-4-r-v-includes-spacer/ Will work with engines that have carbs, L-Jet or aftermarket FI. Will not work with D-Jet.
3. http://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-912-914-356-vw-411e-412e-1600e-type4-switched-w-bosch-jetronic-fi-porsche-4-r-v-ie-includes-spacer/ This is the unit to choose for stock D-Jet users.
4. http://123ignitionusa.com/bluetooth-tune-4-cylinder-for-porsche-and-volkswagon-engines-naturally-aspirated-w-spacer/ This is the best unit for carbs, L-Jet, aftermarket FI
5. http://123ignitionusa.com/tune-usb-4-cylinder-for-porsche-and-volkswagon-vw-engines-naturally-aspirated-w-spacer/ Will work with engines that have carbs, L-Jet or aftermarket FI. Will not work with D-Jet.
Thanks!
Posted by: Beebo Kanelle Feb 11 2019, 02:17 PM
Which model is the correct one for '74 2.0 w/ stock D-Jet?
Is it the 123\PORSCHE-4-R-V ?
Posted by: 914_teener Feb 11 2019, 02:19 PM
Ed at Ignition123USA has kindly agreed to give us a discounted price again this year.
Here is his PM to me:
"Hi Matt
Sure we can do a group buy.
I will set up the code 914GB19
It will give you 5% off
If it reaches 10 customers you will be refunded the additional 5%
I will run it for a month.
Hope this helps
Ed "
So I believe that means we will get 10% off as long as we have at least 10 people. The code is now live.
I know there was a lot of information on last year's thread about the various models. If anybody wants to summarize them on this thread, please feel free to do so.
Thanks!
I'll dispel high temperatures as a potential issue.
I have ran my car in over 115 degree heat with no issue and without the car skipping a beat with exception of my parched throat and sweaty.......
back.
This dizzy is great and well worth not having issues with trigger points...broken advance diaphragms....points...condensors...ect.
No affiliation.
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 11 2019, 02:28 PM
Which model is the correct one for '74 2.0 w/ stock D-Jet?
Is it the 123\PORSCHE-4-R-V ?
I'm afraid to answer anything, but the old thread has lots of info:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=318153&st=0
Or call 123ignitionUSA directly.
Posted by: 914Sixer Feb 11 2019, 02:29 PM
Tried to order and discount does NOT work. No answer on phone but I left message.
Posted by: 914_teener Feb 11 2019, 02:36 PM
Which model is the correct one for '74 2.0 w/ stock D-Jet?
Is it the 123\PORSCHE-4-R-V ?
For stock D-jet yes. You can order it with/without vacuum advance. If you get the -V model use ported vaccum if you have it. Not sure if the 75 TB has one since I have a 73 and it has both ported and manifold Vac.
Download the manual to see which dip-switch number to use for your year. The manual will list that.
Give him a while to setup the GB number....that same thing happened last time.
He'll want to make sure after one month how many people there are to confirm orders at what % discount.
Carry on.
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 11 2019, 02:42 PM
Tried to order and discount does NOT work. No answer on phone but I left message.
I left a message earlier, and Ed did respond via text. He will likely get back to you shortly, or try texting him at that number.
Otherwise, I've asked if he could monitor this thread and respond to any questions.
Posted by: mmichalik Feb 11 2019, 06:14 PM
Tried to order and discount does NOT work. No answer on phone but I left message.
I left a message earlier, and Ed did respond via text. He will likely get back to you shortly, or try texting him at that number.
Otherwise, I've asked if he could monitor this thread and respond to any questions.
Cool! I sent an email out to them asking about the Bluetooth version and haven't received a response so, hopefully he'll take a look here.
Thanks everyone for all the input and the GB setup!
Mike
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 11 2019, 07:31 PM
[quote name='Beebo Kanelle' date='Feb 11 2019, 04:17 PM' post='2688264']
Which model is the correct one for '74 2.0 w/ stock D-Jet?
Is it the 123\PORSCHE-4-R-V ?
[/quote
All cars running D-jet must use Porsche 4-R-V-IE
Hope this helps
Ed
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 11 2019, 07:48 PM
Tried to order and discount does NOT work. No answer on phone but I left message.
Try the code now. My bad...
Posted by: Amphicar770 Feb 12 2019, 08:24 AM
Hmm, will be interesting to see if this gets 10 takers. I should have gone in on the original 10-15% group buy but was in a financial crunch at that time.
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 12 2019, 09:01 AM
Hmm, will be interesting to see if this gets 10 takers. I should have gone in on the original 10-15% group buy but was in a financial crunch at that time.
I'll try to keep a current count on the first post.
Posted by: Amphicar770 Feb 12 2019, 11:13 AM
Hmm, will be interesting to see if this gets 10 takers. I should have gone in on the original 10-15% group buy but was in a financial crunch at that time.
I'll try to keep a current count on the first post.
Thanks. I'm on the fence on this one. Probably would not install before Spring (we are currently covered in ice). Thus, for a 5% discount, that you may or may not receive, might be more prudent to wait.
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 12 2019, 11:17 AM
Hmm, will be interesting to see if this gets 10 takers. I should have gone in on the original 10-15% group buy but was in a financial crunch at that time.
I'll try to keep a current count on the first post.
Thanks. I'm on the fence on this one. Probably would not install before Spring (we are currently covered in ice). Thus, for a 5% discount, that you may or may not receive, might be more prudent to wait.
We get the 5% for sure, but we only get the 10% if we go over 10 people.
Posted by: mmichalik Feb 12 2019, 02:30 PM
Just ordered mine. So, there's at least one confirmed.
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 12 2019, 03:36 PM
Gentlemen
Count is two.
Additionally if someone orders two or more it will go toward the count.
I will ship out as they are ordered.
You guys automatically get 5%
When you hit 9 I will change the coupon value to 10%. And refund the first nine buyers the additional percentage.
Hope this helps
Ed
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 12 2019, 08:23 PM
My order is placed. 3 down, 7 to go!
Posted by: 914Sixer Feb 12 2019, 09:13 PM
Ordered mine this morning.
Posted by: HansJan Feb 12 2019, 09:34 PM
Looking to purchase the Bluetooth model, because the engine is not stock.
Engine is:
4-Cylinders (103mm) 2.3L.
Not original Cam.
Dual EMPI 44mm Carbs (without vacuum)
Current distributor is 009.
The real problem with this car is its owner (me).
Tried to set the timing once (with my son keeping the RPM's at 3K). I couldn't see anything, got confused, so I left it where it was.
Could the Bluetooth distributor be too confusing for me?
Do we keep the same coil?
When ordering, do we also need to order the spacer?
The plan is to purchase this thing, and then lean heavily onto this community to get the car running again. This strategy has worked in the past.
Posted by: Amphicar770 Feb 12 2019, 11:25 PM
Hmm, will be interesting to see if this gets 10 takers. I should have gone in on the original 10-15% group buy but was in a financial crunch at that time.
I'll try to keep a current count on the first post.
Thanks. I'm on the fence on this one. Probably would not install before Spring (we are currently covered in ice). Thus, for a 5% discount, that you may or may not receive, might be more prudent to wait.
We get the 5% for sure, but we only get the 10% if we go over 10 people.
Thanks for clarifying. That seems better.
Posted by: jesse7flying Feb 13 2019, 01:30 PM
Just ordered mine this afternoon.
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 13 2019, 01:32 PM
Looking to purchase the Bluetooth model, because the engine is not stock.
Engine is:
4-Cylinders (103mm) 2.3L.
Not original Cam.
Dual EMPI 44mm Carbs (without vacuum)
Current distributor is 009.
The real problem with this car is its owner (me).
Tried to set the timing once (with my son keeping the RPM's at 3K). I couldn't see anything, got confused, so I left it where it was.
Could the Bluetooth distributor be too confusing for me?
Do we keep the same coil?
When ordering, do we also need to order the spacer?
The plan is to purchase this thing, and then lean heavily onto this community to get the car running again. This strategy has worked in the past.
I'll try to answer these, but I've just ordered mine, so I'm pretty much in the same boat as you.
1. I suspect if you can work a cell phone, then the Bluetooth version will not be too confusing.
2. I am planning to keep the same coil. Maybe someone who bought one last round can chime in.
3. I believe the spacer comes with it standard. Ed, can you verify?
Based on what I've read, it seems that you can get away with just setting the static timing, so it should be simpler to deal with than the 009. I guess it would still be useful to verify the actual timing with the car running though.
Posted by: BeatNavy Feb 13 2019, 01:54 PM
They recommend using a new coil. In theory, you should not have to if yours is serviceable, but it is recommended.
There is good info in this thread (or specifically at this post: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&showtopic=318153&view=findpost&p=2545698)
Also, spacer comes with the unit. You don't have to purchase separately.
These things can be slightly tricky to set up initially, but once you've got 'em they are rock solid.
Posted by: davealden223 Feb 13 2019, 02:45 PM
I'm on the list now.
Dave
Posted by: 914_teener Feb 13 2019, 03:41 PM
They recommend using a new coil. In theory, you should not have to if yours is serviceable, but it is recommended.
There is good info in this thread (or specifically at this post: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&showtopic=318153&view=findpost&p=2545698)
Also, spacer comes with the unit. You don't have to purchase separately.
These things can be slightly tricky to set up initially, but once you've got 'em they are rock solid.
Interesting reading through this thread again.
Main thing I saw was understanding how vacuum advance works.
For timing advance the source of the vacuum needs to be "ported" vacuum and not manifold vacuum.
So on the TB it is the port just on the inside of the intake side. This will produce advance on part load.
There are some cool threads that can be "Goggled" on the subject.
Posted by: Amphicar770 Feb 13 2019, 05:38 PM
I just ordered mine. 
Posted by: HansJan Feb 13 2019, 06:46 PM
Ed,
I just ordered mine (Order #1769).
But the checkout process went soo quick (with Apple Pay) that I was not able to insert the group buy code. 
Could you still apply the discount please?
Br,
Hans Jan
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 13 2019, 11:28 PM
Yes I will cover that for you. The GB is now at 6 and will soon hit 10 I will process your discount when the target of 10 is hit. If for some odd reason we don't make 10 you will still get the 5%.
Hope this helps
Ed
Ed,
I just ordered mine (Order #1769).
But the checkout process went soo quick (with Apple Pay) that I was not able to insert the group buy code.
Could you still apply the discount please?
Br,
Hans Jan
Posted by: michael7810 Feb 14 2019, 06:11 AM
I’m leaning towards getting in on this GB but have a question is the 123 compatible with the MSD thingy and MSD Blaster coil currently on my car? Thanks
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 14 2019, 10:08 AM
Yes with the MSD but you must wire it according the the MSD Points diagram. The blaster coil is questionable as I don't know the resistance. Typically the recommendation is no coils below 1 ohm resistance.
I’m leaning towards getting in on this GB but have a question is the 123 compatible with the MSD thingy and MSD Blaster coil currently on my car? Thanks
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 14 2019, 10:13 AM
Gentlemen Please use the code 914GB19 at checkout.
Current count is now 7
There will be a short delay for Porsche 4-R-V-IE - Currently out of stock
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 15 2019, 08:45 AM
3 more to go to get the 10% discount! If you're on the fence, jump in!
Posted by: mmichalik Feb 15 2019, 09:10 AM
3 more to go to get the 10% discount! If you're on the fence, jump in!
Agreed, it would help us all out plus, you'll be getting an awesome new toy for the car.
Posted by: Porschef Feb 15 2019, 12:42 PM
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 15 2019, 12:47 PM
That's a cliff, not a fence. But still, there's water down there, so jump in anyway!
Posted by: Porschef Feb 15 2019, 12:48 PM
“What do you mean, you’re still thinkin’about it???”
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 15 2019, 01:05 PM
Don't get stuck.
Posted by: 914_teener Feb 15 2019, 01:13 PM
Here is the bottom of the cliff:
Posted by: Porschef Feb 15 2019, 01:43 PM
Ok, I’m in... 
I’ll place the order this evening.
Posted by: Amphicar770 Feb 15 2019, 06:21 PM
Now someone needs to do a write up of install with pics or video.
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 15 2019, 07:57 PM
Now someone needs to do a write up of install with pics or video.
Yes!
Amphicar770, are you the mystery#7 buyer?
Posted by: Amphicar770 Feb 15 2019, 08:42 PM
Now someone needs to do a write up of install with pics or video.
Yes!
Amphicar770, are you the mystery#7 buyer?
I did order one but I think I am earlier than number 7??
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 15 2019, 09:10 PM
@beebo kanelle
Wanna be #9?
(I don't actually know how to tag somebody)...
Posted by: mmichalik Feb 16 2019, 12:48 AM
I got my Bluetooth distributor today.
Gonna put it in this weekend, along with the tangerine racing cable linkage.
Fun this weekend!
Posted by: Porschef Feb 16 2019, 07:51 AM
Ok. Head, legs, arse, etc. officially on the other side of the fence. Looking forward to it.
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 16 2019, 11:00 AM
I got my Bluetooth distributor today.
Gonna put it in this weekend, along with the tangerine racing cable linkage.
Fun this weekend!
Are you going to document the install for the rest of us?
Posted by: 914Sixer Feb 16 2019, 03:24 PM
Mine is here
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Posted by: Amphicar770 Feb 16 2019, 04:54 PM
Mine arrived as well. BTW, can I still use the rev limiting rotor?
Posted by: HansJan Feb 16 2019, 05:43 PM
Mine arrived today as well.
Will have to wait a while before having the time to install.
Hopefully their will be enough feedback here to guide me through the process.
Posted by: jsaum Feb 16 2019, 06:01 PM
I made a quick sale today on some extra parts so I’m probably coming in buyer #9. Anyone else going on the group buy for # 10 and the full discount? We’re almost there!
Jsaum
Posted by: michael7810 Feb 16 2019, 06:36 PM
Just ordered...add me as #9. Jsaum can have the honor of being #10
Posted by: Beebo Kanelle Feb 16 2019, 07:58 PM
Done!
Posted by: jsaum Feb 16 2019, 07:59 PM
Ok just placed my order so I should be #10. Can’t wait to get it going on the new 1911 motor!
Posted by: Ron65 Feb 16 2019, 08:59 PM
Ok just placed my order so I should be #10. Can’t wait to get it going on the new 1911 motor!
Not sure how to post but just to make sure another one got ordered tonight!!
Posted by: Porschef Feb 16 2019, 09:42 PM
Ok just placed my order so I should be #10. Can’t wait to get it going on the new 1911 motor!
Not sure how to post but just to make sure another one got ordered tonight!!
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 16 2019, 10:08 PM
Ok Guys
Way to Go! 
Official count is 12. Orders after 1782 will automatically be processed with a 10% discount. All current orders will begin to be processed for shipment as quickly as possible. If you get a follow up email as pending, your order is going to be delayed, but rest assured it will get to you in a timely manner. I will check back in from time to time on this forum so that we can field any questions you may have. Or simply PM me for a quicker response.
Thanks so much
Ed
Posted by: mobymutt Feb 16 2019, 10:51 PM
I'm jealous, I have to make a trip across the border to pick mine up.
And I hope I don't fry it, or my wife will shoot me... somebody please document the install!!!
Also, thanks to everyone for joining in!
Mine is herePosted by: settador Feb 17 2019, 09:04 AM
Hi Folks,
I'll order one, or perhaps two, on Monday. I do have some questions for you all, however, because I'm not entirely sure which one(s).
Some of the 356 guys think these are terrific too, and say the vacuum model is best. If I recall correctly, the vacuum line comes off the insulator between the carb and manifold below the throttle plate like some year 912s from the factory, implying initial advance is actuated by a decrease in manifold pressure. In other words, the vacuum line retards the timing when in full force, yes?
I ask because I intend to build a 2056 out of a GA motor I have to replace my tired 1.8. I also have a pair of Weber 40s I intend to use for that build. If I go with a vacuum model, are there insulators/spacers with vacuum ports available for Weber 40s? If not, has anyone made their own? How great is the performance advantage of the vacuum model over the mechanical only model? I imagine the initial response off idle may be significant.
I've read through the previous threads, but I'm still not entirely clear.
Thanks, Dan
Posted by: jesse7flying Feb 17 2019, 10:34 AM
Got mine yesterday and my 10% refund today. Thanks to Ed and Mobymutt for setting up the sale!
Posted by: 914Sixer Feb 17 2019, 10:50 AM
Checked my mail this morning and I had the 10% refund too. Thanks Ed.
Posted by: Amphicar770 Feb 17 2019, 11:12 AM
Got my dizzy and my refund as well. Always a pleasure dealing with stand up suppliers who offer a quality product.
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 17 2019, 05:33 PM
Just an update for the 914 World on the GB.
All refunds have been processed and settled to your form of payment and or cc. And all orders placed now are getting an immediate 10% discount. I am placing an order tomorrow in order to get everybody their units in a timely manner. It usually takes 7 to 10 days to get them from over the pond. Then we will ship them directly to you.
Thanks again for the opportunity to serve the 914 World enthusiasts. Your a great group.
Hope this helps
Ed
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 17 2019, 05:45 PM
This looks like as good a place as any to add a few sample screenshots for those that get the programmable units. And to mention that the IE models come with both vacuum advance and vacuum retard curves to select from.
Pic #1 Vacuum advance
Pic #2 Vacuum retard
Pic #3 No Vacuum
Pic #4 Shows how to wire it up when using MSD
Hope this helps
Ed
Hi Folks,
I'll order one, or perhaps two, on Monday. I do have some questions for you all, however, because I'm not entirely sure which one(s).
Some of the 356 guys think these are terrific too, and say the vacuum model is best. If I recall correctly, the vacuum line comes off the insulator between the carb and manifold below the throttle plate like some year 912s from the factory, implying initial advance is actuated by a decrease in manifold pressure. In other words, the vacuum line retards the timing when in full force, yes?
I ask because I intend to build a 2056 out of a GA motor I have to replace my tired 1.8. I also have a pair of Weber 40s I intend to use for that build. If I go with a vacuum model, are there insulators/spacers with vacuum ports available for Weber 40s? If not, has anyone made their own? How great is the performance advantage of the vacuum model over the mechanical only model? I imagine the initial response off idle may be significant.
I've read through the previous threads, but I'm still not entirely clear.
Thanks, Dan
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Posted by: mmichalik Feb 18 2019, 05:59 PM
I got my 5% refund for a total of 10% off. Thanks for following up on that Ed.
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 19 2019, 08:03 AM
I got my 5% refund for a total of 10% off. Thanks for following up on that Ed.
I am glad to help and appreciate the opportunity to bring theses fine distributors to your community. Everybody should be up to date now. All orders will be shipped out late next week. This runs for a month so tell your friends on other Porsche Forums to use the code.
However it does not apply to any other Marque than Porsche and VW. Enjoy!
Posted by: settador Feb 19 2019, 08:24 AM
Thanks Ed,
The conversation yesterday re. vacuum was clarifying. Ordered two--one of each!
Dan
Posted by: Prorallye Feb 19 2019, 08:52 AM
Will order one later today.
Posted by: HansJan Feb 19 2019, 09:35 PM
Installation video part 1 and 2
https://youtu.be/rw1FigYoozE
https://youtu.be/tYGX5B8Yj58
Posted by: buck toenges Feb 20 2019, 03:48 PM
Nice to see but I felt I was watching an episode of "the man in the high castle".
Posted by: Porschef Feb 20 2019, 08:05 PM
Yep, it’s as easy as “Einz, Zwei, Drei!”
My German was never that good..,
https://youtu.be/L6fxTgKctz8
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Feb 25 2019, 10:54 PM
Hey Guys and Gals
All the orders are in the mail 2/26/19. The Special will run until March 12th.
Thanks and have a great driving season.
Ed 
Posted by: Porschef Feb 26 2019, 05:15 AM
Thanks Ed. Looking forward to it.
Glad I didn’t snag my ballsack hopping off the fence... 
Posted by: Ron65 Feb 28 2019, 09:29 AM
Received my 123 today! Thank you to Ed at 123 for the discount and making the product available and thank you to Mobymutt for setting up the GB. Can't wait to put this in the 71. Am sure the original distributor is pretty tired after spinning around for over 45 years and feel this may be the best upgrade I could have done for it. Ron
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 10 2019, 06:12 PM
Just a bump to remind anyone interested this will expire on the 12th
Thank You
Ed
Posted by: michael7810 Mar 11 2019, 01:23 PM
Did someone, or could some post a link to an installation and tuning video (in English). Thanks
Posted by: jim_hoyland Mar 15 2019, 02:58 PM
Just a bump to remind anyone interested this will expire on the 12th
Thank You
Ed
I know I’m two days late for the discount; can I place my order today and take the discount ?
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 17 2019, 06:22 PM
This is a great group of enthusiasts. I will extend the discount until a week from today. March 24th 2019
Hope this helps
Ed
Just a bump to remind anyone interested this will expire on the 12th
Thank You
Ed
I know I’m two days late for the discount; can I place my order today and take the discount ?
Posted by: jim_hoyland Mar 17 2019, 07:04 PM
Just placed my order; hard to tell whether it went through. Should I have received an e-mail confirmation tried a second time: When I Pay at checkout, the screen closes out . My cart still shows one item in it.
I’ll try again later...
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 17 2019, 07:53 PM
914GB19
Here you go.
Just placed my order; hard to tell whether it went through. Should I have received an e-mail confirmation tried a second time: When I Pay at checkout, the screen closes out . My cart still shows one item in it.
I’ll try again later...
Posted by: jim_hoyland Mar 17 2019, 08:40 PM
Tried the code each time too...
Tried PP first two times; then tried using a CC.
No dice
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Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 18 2019, 08:02 AM
Sounds like a Paypal issue. Give them a call.
As for the CC the billing address for the cc did not match.
Hope this helps
Ed
Tried the code each time too...
Tried PP first two times; then tried using a CC.
No dice
Posted by: jim_hoyland Mar 18 2019, 11:02 AM
Big thanks to Ed at 1-2-3; talked with him directly and got my order in.
Great service !
Posted by: HansJan Mar 21 2019, 04:08 PM
This looks like as good a place as any to add a few sample screenshots for those that get the programmable units. And to mention that the IE models come with both vacuum advance and vacuum retard curves to select from.
Pic #1 Vacuum advance
Pic #2 Vacuum retard
Pic #3 No Vacuum
Pic #4 Shows how to wire it up when using MSD
Hope this helps
Ed
Hi Folks,
I'll order one, or perhaps two, on Monday. I do have some questions for you all, however, because I'm not entirely sure which one(s).
Some of the 356 guys think these are terrific too, and say the vacuum model is best. If I recall correctly, the vacuum line comes off the insulator between the carb and manifold below the throttle plate like some year 912s from the factory, implying initial advance is actuated by a decrease in manifold pressure. In other words, the vacuum line retards the timing when in full force, yes?
I ask because I intend to build a 2056 out of a GA motor I have to replace my tired 1.8. I also have a pair of Weber 40s I intend to use for that build. If I go with a vacuum model, are there insulators/spacers with vacuum ports available for Weber 40s? If not, has anyone made their own? How great is the performance advantage of the vacuum model over the mechanical only model? I imagine the initial response off idle may be significant.
I've read through the previous threads, but I'm still not entirely clear.
Thanks, Dan
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Ed,
I have installed the 123 distributor (Bluetooth model).
There is no vacuum hose coming from the carburetors.
What do I do with the vacuum port on your distributor?
Additionally: Do you have recommended setpoints for this carbed 914?
Posted by: settador Mar 21 2019, 05:37 PM
The following thread has a very helpful write up regarding vacuum advance. It helps explain the graphs Ed posted in response to my query. I checked my Webers for vacuum ports and fortunately they are there. Ed also offered a good explanation via telephone. I haven't installed either distributor as I haven't built either engine yet, so I can't offer anything further at this time. Hope the link helps.
Dan
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=162620
Posted by: 914-300Hemi Apr 2 2019, 03:49 PM
I know that I missed the group by but after fiddling with my dizzy. I finally broke down and ordered one.
Posted by: 914_teener Apr 2 2019, 05:20 PM
The following thread has a very helpful write up regarding vacuum advance. It helps explain the graphs Ed posted in response to my query. I checked my Webers for vacuum ports and fortunately they are there. Ed also offered a good explanation via telephone. I haven't installed either distributor as I haven't built either engine yet, so I can't offer anything further at this time. Hope the link helps.
Dan
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=162620
Yep....saw that thread a while back.
Pay close attention in that for a stock FI 914 and depending on what year they had both manifold and ported vaccum for the dizzy pot.
When I did my 73 is used ported for the vaccum advance and the car performed flawlessly.
I know that this subject keeps coming up even though the manual that is provided specifies what to use for which setting. This is on the D-jet system that I know.
Still it is a good read and loosely defines the history of why and how it is used.
Posted by: michael7810 Apr 6 2019, 04:05 PM
I installed the Bluetooth unit on my 1911cc, webcam, dual IDF 40s s week. Took a couple days to get it sorted out as I had a few DAO-induced problems. Took it for a drive and head temps seemed to run cooler than usual on this particular drive but I may have been taking it easy. Very happy with the way the car runs and features of the distributor. Here’s what I learned:
1. The 123 wires up to MSD ignition exactly like the old Pertronix unit
2. MSD Blaster 2 coil resistance is too low (<1 Ohm). I installed a new Bosch blue coil
3. There are 10 video tutorials on the 123 website. I found them very helpful for my understanding how it works.
4. You can only change the curves with the ignition ON and engine NOT running
5. You can see what the unit is doing and make temporary advance changes via the Tune feature with the engin running
6. Follow the manual for paring the unit to your device the first time. Once pared here’s how to use it
6a. Turn ignition on first then open the App if you want to change curves. You can start the car after changing the curves without cycling power or reopening the App. Change the curves per the manual but when you are finished hit DONE and then WRITE or the 123 will not see the new data. If you futz with the curves and want to go back to what you started with hit DONE and then READ and the App will display what is stored in the 123
6b. Start engine first then open App if you want to drive and use the Tune feature.
7. When you open the App, make sure it connects AND reads the distributor data. You’ll see it on the App when connecting/reading.
8. To use Tune, hit Tune on the dashboard screen and use the arrows to advance or retard up to 10 degrees. This shifts the entire curve, kinda like changing the basic timing from, in my case from TDC to +/- 10 degrees. The Tune data is not stored in the 123. Once you hit TUNE again to get out of tune mode your changes disappear.
9. My curves are below. I set my timing to TDC and use the 123 to set the advance
10. Be careful handling your phone when the dashboard is open. I accidentally got into TUNE mode and retarded my timing 10 degrees TWICE during a 90 minute drive. I highly recommend a copilot to operate the device while driving.
I’m sure there’s more. If I think of anything else I’ll edit this post.
Cheers
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