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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:30 AM
So, flaring the fenders for the Neocar proved to be a bit of a challenge because its not a regular f/g car.. these have to be steel. So. This is basiclally how im going to make HPH style flares out of stock steel fenders... Hopefully 
Anyways.. heres me starting to take the paint off the fender and reinforce it because streching the metal will warp the shape of the fender.
Hope you aprove Felix!
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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:31 AM
Next. nice clean fender, no filler, never hit. Other fender on the other hand... will get replacement.. lol, not going to show that one yet.
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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:32 AM
notice shape. this will change.
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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:32 AM
back, semi stripped of paint and goo
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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:34 AM
also notice the reinforcements that went into this. I can add more, but for now this might work, need to be able to get a english wheel in there... lol. everything is tached into place and can be removed easily with a grinder.
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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:35 AM
more reinforcements.. notice 2 pieces..
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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:35 AM
closeup.
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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:37 AM
oh ya, ignore the crappy welding.. I wasnt using a helmet, and I only wanted tacks on the fender, but the two bars being attached I just wanted strong.. will not affect fender at all 
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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:37 AM
good look at the reinforcment bar, and the shape of the fender.
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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:38 AM
more fender shape
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Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:39 AM
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Comments, critiques.. ext are welcome... I want this to be high quality... so flame away (cept my welding...)
Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:39 AM
now.. In color!
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Posted by: McMark Jun 24 2005, 12:45 AM
I just cut the other fender off my red car today for Felix. Good timing.
Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:47 AM
yay!
Give me lots of car to go with it? or.... Cus I could have used more car.... lol, but as you can see... I work with what I got..
Posted by: jgiroux67 Jun 24 2005, 12:47 AM
I'm confused, what exactly are you doing? Are these for another car or do you have plans on replacing the ones that are on your car right now?
Posted by: McMark Jun 24 2005, 12:50 AM
Nope. No more car. 
Almost EXACTLY like the ones you've got.
Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:52 AM
This is not for my car.
My car is getting f/g.
THis is for the NEOcar.
ie Felix's concept thing.. He wants steel, I want fiberglass.
Im building steel flares for his car because John cant do it because of his work schedule.
Andrew
Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 12:56 AM
Alright, that will work perfectly fine mark! not like im going to say "NO, do it again!!!!"
at least its not less... 
Posted by: rhodyguy Jun 24 2005, 01:04 AM
so you plan on flairing the fender then installing it? i went to the flair party for korijo. john had a strip of material that one would use to compare the size/shape of the flair, hammers, palm nailer, mobile plennishing tool. that was the method you used previously correct? i see you added some info but i'll just keep going. how do you keep both fenders (flairs) equal when they're off the car?
k
Posted by: rhodyguy Jun 24 2005, 01:06 AM
and, are you going to make moulds off the metal fenders for f/g copies?
k
Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 01:12 AM
I will use lots of cardboard and templates to keep them even, that is the hardest part yes.
Posted by: rhodyguy Jun 24 2005, 01:18 AM
did john bring that long thin piece of material that adjusted to the shape to california with him? i can't remember the correct term for it. i would think you you need to weld in the supports while the fender was still on a car to start at a common point.
k
Posted by: neo914-6 Jun 24 2005, 01:30 AM
Andrew,
Great start! 
I mounted the front 8" Technos this evening and they fit flush to the body with the 1.1" spacer so I put the 1.7" to fill out the HPH flare some more. In other words the flare doesn't have to be as large as the HPH's but I'll view it from several angles with the wheels turned stop to stop. I'll take pics this weekend when I pull out the car from my narrow driveway.
Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 01:35 AM
I recieved the fends like they where shown... thus I could not weld in the supports while they were on the car... The metal is flexable anyways, and can be bent that little bit...
I dont think he brought a long piece of metal...
Posted by: Andyrew Jun 24 2005, 01:38 AM
ALrighty Felix! It will basically be what shape you want it to be... because I can put the flare up top, making it a big hoop... in the middle making it like the hph flares, and mine... down at the bottom (no... not that...) or a sharper crease simular to what you have on the back... but it might be hard to convey.. but still possible..
Andrew
Posted by: banksyinoz Jun 24 2005, 02:42 AM
just listened to the v8 oohh ya nothin like a no exhaust noise, cool 
Posted by: John Kelly Jun 24 2005, 07:31 AM
Hi Andrew,
First, congratulations on being brave enough to attack the front fenders!
Shaping them off the car may present you with some serious difficulties. You may have problems welding them in place afterwards. I would add more bracing front to back across the wheel opening at a minimum. More than that would be even better. Make sure all your shaping is done with the shotbag pressed firmly against the metal. Thus will give you the best chance of not pulling the fender out of whack.
I would weld them on the car first, then shape them, but this is a good experiment for all of us to learn from. If you do get an english wheel, you could probably do all your smoothing with just a #2 anvil wheel. If not, a palm nailer with a nearly flat shaping die would stretch out the fender pretty smoothly for a lot less money invested in tools.
One more thing, always wear the welding hood even for tack-welding! Not worth the risk. I look forward to your progress.
John www.ghiaspecialties.com
Posted by: neo914-6 Jun 25 2005, 07:37 PM
John,
Andrew had this same idea when I first asked you about it. Us Cali guys always think out of the cat box... 
Andrew,
Here's a pic, gotta take more...
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Posted by: Aaron Cox Jun 25 2005, 07:42 PM
pan on bracing the opening so it stays the same shape? across the bottom so it holds the same openeing????
Posted by: jgiroux67 Jun 25 2005, 07:50 PM
felix, where did you get the black turn signal lenses? Do they flash bright enough for others to see it?
Posted by: neo914-6 Jun 25 2005, 07:51 PM
from back, my driveway is very narrow...
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Posted by: Aaron Cox Jun 25 2005, 07:51 PM
| QUOTE (jgiroux67 @ Jun 25 2005, 06:50 PM) |
| felix, where did you get the black turn signal lenses? Do they flash bright enough for others to see it? |
look closey...
they are euros...some "smoke agent" applied
Posted by: neo914-6 Jun 25 2005, 07:53 PM
| QUOTE (jgiroux67 @ Jun 25 2005, 05:50 PM) |
| felix, where did you get the black turn signal lenses? Do they flash bright enough for others to see it? |
Josh,
This was a dedicated track car so they are non-functional at the moment...
Posted by: neo914-6 Jun 25 2005, 10:28 PM
| QUOTE (rhodyguy @ Jun 23 2005, 11:18 PM) |
| did john bring that long thin piece of material that adjusted to the shape to california with him? i can't remember the correct term for it. i would think you you need to weld in the supports while the fender was still on a car to start at a common point. k |
K,
I think you are referring to the magnetic strip that allows you to see highs and lows in the shape...John forgot to bring it but I've seen it at his shop.
Posted by: Andyrew Jun 25 2005, 11:47 PM
Aaron, I dont quite follow your idea.. Bracing the opening? Its already braced by the extra metal there.... Also the little factory lip will be removed by the hammer... Bracing it would be hard and IMHO redundant. We'll see though.
BTW finished taking all the metal off the fender before I went to work, Tomorrow I will start work on the lip, then on the actual flaring of the fender after I make a couple tools.
Andrew
Posted by: Andyrew Jun 27 2005, 03:14 PM
Update:
Took the factory edge off today. In the process I think I broke all of my welds, and then I rewelded (I had some good practice yesterday welding on pot metal for 3 hours...) They should hold this time.
Yes the fender warped a little bit, Not much, nothing that is not fixable. but it did warp. Notice that it will not sit flush against the ground without provoking anymore.
Anyways, heres the pic. No flaring yet. just reshaping.
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Interesting so far. We'll see what happens when I stretch the fender a little.
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Posted by: TimT Jun 27 2005, 03:49 PM
| QUOTE |
| One more thing, always wear the welding hood even for tack-welding! Not worth the risk. |
werd..
Posted by: Chris914n6 Jun 30 2005, 03:27 PM
| QUOTE (jgiroux67 @ Jun 25 2005, 05:50 PM) |
| felix, where did you get the black turn signal lenses? Do they flash bright enough for others to see it? |
window tint.
Posted by: MikeP Jun 30 2005, 04:02 PM
ok i'm ready for more pictures......................................................................................................................
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 11 2005, 01:18 AM
| QUOTE (MikeP @ Jun 30 2005, 02:02 PM) |
| ok i'm ready for more pictures...................................................................................................................... |
me too.......
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 11 2005, 01:44 AM
lol
Actually I had more pics.. of my fenders, but my gf came over and we took some pics of her, and she started deleting the one's she liked.... and ended up deleting all the one's on the camera... lol
I'll get some tomorrow. (I will FINALLY freeking get some time tomorrow to work on them. (church till 10, work at 11-7pm. work on fenders after 7... and squeeze in some hw after that.... yippe.) (oh ya, saw my gf for 2 hours today, first time in a week... go got priorities man... lol)
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 11 2005, 01:53 AM
Dude I was out the door at 7:40AM to meet Jason at PickNPull, got a door glass from an RX7 to test fit. Close but almost is not good enough! Found alternatives but will post on the side glass thread tomorrow...
Jon came by with the fender from MarkD, guess we won't need it? I'm planning a BBQ for a few of us, maybe when MarkD can travel to our side of the country. I wanted to see Elmer's car run today but can't afford the time and gas.
Posted by: dlo914 Sep 11 2005, 04:22 AM
| QUOTE (Chris914n6 @ Jun 30 2005, 01:27 PM) | ||
window tint. |
you could always go w/ the model paint, that comes in an small aerosol can, available at hobby shops. it's used to tint the windows on models. works fine for lenses. a few buddies did this w/ their corner lenses and rear lenses.
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 11 2005, 08:46 AM
7:40? dang.. last time I did that for pick n pull was their half price day where we got 2 engines' (944 and a sbc) a trani (944) numerous 944 parts, and ect....
It sucks that you cant find the right window glass.... Its a one in a million chance...
I dont think we need the fender. If a worse case senario you dont like how the fenders are, I could start over and just do a really small flare and give you the drivers side loose fender and do the same with that other one.
Let me know when the bbq is, I'd like to come, but I have a busy work/school schedule.
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 11 2005, 03:21 PM
Are you still coming prior to the 24th to pick up the f/g fender?
I want to get Mark's opinion based on alot of your pics...can you email hi-res directly to him?
Since it's just sitting I may plan to transport Neo914-6 to Napa to get the rear flares finished and fronts welded so they can be primered...
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Posted by: Andyrew Sep 11 2005, 08:29 PM
Get a shot of the tire straight... I wana see what kind of flare you need...
I'll take pics right now.
Andrew
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 11 2005, 08:42 PM
email sending... (lol)
bout 20 high rez pics. its 11megs.. LOL
Edit... WOOPS.. thats going to you felix.. just read you want them to mark....
I'll send them to him to... sorry...
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 11 2005, 10:01 PM
you're g/f's pics are cute...
I forgot we are using your fenders, not the ones I cut off the parts car. It presents a problem of where they will be cut. Usually donor fenders are cut at the channel so the weld is hidden. If you cut them where HPH are usually cut, a seam will be on the signal light channel. Got any ideas? 
Maybe Mark has some...
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 11 2005, 10:18 PM
alrighty... lol
I cant seem to get an email to mark, could you forward the pics (of the car... lol) to him?
I could try those other fenders again...
They would probably need some finessing when they are welded to the car though....
(I could get those done in no time... seriously... with little flare, its a piece of cake. Just giving it a flat lip and making it look flush)
Refer to the pics earlyer in the thread. How much more flare do you want from that fender? Its probably a 1/2 in right now. You running 225's up front?
LMK.
Andrew
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 11 2005, 10:22 PM
Keep in mind that my welder broke, so I cant reinforce that other fender that mark has... Unless I get a new welder... Maybe... (hits ebay)
maybe he could??
I dono.... lol
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 11 2005, 10:35 PM
Well, if you're considering the cut-off fenders the flare can be fairly shallow and the wheel lip flattened.
How do your metal shaped flares compare to the HPH?
I mentioned the 8" wide Technos when pointed straight are flush to the body. I'll send a pic of the wheels straight tomorrow.
I'll forward the pics to Mark (along with your g/f"s)
He may attend the 24th meet and then drive down to see my car...
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 11 2005, 11:21 PM
My metal shaped flares were very similar to the hph flares, about a half inch in flare difference non mounted just over lapped..
I'll lay it on and take a pic..
LET me put a fore mention, I thought you would be cutting the fender to fit and welding the difference grinding the seams down. BUT if your NOT doing that I must say that my front end has a bit of damage on the drivers side, it was repaired but shoddy. you should be able to see in one of the pics where the bondo is.
Andrew
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 12 2005, 12:52 PM
Andrew,
Email Mark pics of the off-car flares, his email is correct but you need to zip and limit the number of pics (~7). Let's see if we can make them work.
The on-car won't work or will require too much work.
If we can't use either set, I'll still trade the HPH flare for your work...
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 12 2005, 01:48 PM
We'll make something work.
Even if it means that we start with a parts car, clean fenders, and flare the fenders ON the car.
I could do it in a weekend for what you want. I've made some very effective tools....
That goes to say if the other sets wont work.
Andrew.
(I really wish I had a parts car front end... This could have been done along time ago... lol)
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 12 2005, 06:36 PM
| QUOTE (Andyrew @ Sep 12 2005, 11:48 AM) |
| We'll make something work. Even if it means that we start with a parts car, clean fenders, and flare the fenders ON the car. I could do it in a weekend for what you want. I've made some very effective tools.... That goes to say if the other sets wont work. Andrew. (I really wish I had a parts car front end... This could have been done along time ago... lol) |
McMark can't take it for at least another month...what if stock fenders were welded for your magic...Got any room for Neo914?
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 12 2005, 10:00 PM
I could make room.
Got any room for me for a weekend?
I think that is the best choice.... I was thinking of that...
Weld stock fenders to NEO and it will get the least amount of warpage that way and will remain easy to manipulate. Locate another fender (you already have that one... lol) and have Roger or someone weld em up...
If it was at my house, I have 2 hours at least every day to work on them, and 10 hours on some days (finally... requested to work less hours at work. )
But it shouldnt take that long. (I could do alot of finishing towards it, but Im sure you want Mark to finish them, Im not much of a finish work guy.. lol
LEt me know what you think.
IM open to anything right now, I just want to get some good fenders on your car.
Andrew
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