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Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 24 2005, 06:43 PM

NASCAR tries again with site near Bremerton! Shit, there goes the AX course!!!!

"International Speedway Corp., rebuffed last year in an effort to build a NASCAR track near Marysville, has decided the proposed project is worth another go-round in Kitsap County.

In an effort to bring the fast-growing sport of stock-car racing to an untapped area of the country, ISC officials said yesterday they hope to construct an 80,000-seat racetrack near the Kitsap-Mason County line south of Bremerton National Airport.

"If everything works out just as it can," ISC spokesman Stann Tate said, "we plan on being on track and dropping the green flag in the summer of 2010."

Tate said the selection of the site "is just a first step right now," something echoed by officials in Kitsap County.

"It's just an announcement of interest," Bremerton Mayor Cary Bozeman said. "I don't think by any stretch of the imagination this is a done deal."

Lisa Holmer, spokeswoman for the Kitsap County Commission, said, "It's got to go through the same permitting process as any other project. At any time it may come against a roadblock they may not be able to cross.

"It's a pretty big project for the area."

ISC isn't specific about the funding plan, but Tate said ISC, a publicly traded company that develops tracks, would contribute more than the $50 million that was earmarked for the Marysville site, leaving roughly $250 million to be government-financed."

Posted by: rhodyguy Jun 25 2005, 12:14 AM

i don't think bremerton raceway will get eaten up. too close to the airport. i haven't seen an exact map location yet. the area would need too many infrastucture improvements to handle the traffic and eveything else. how big would a septic tank have to be for 100k people? track length will be 1 mile or less at this point. i doubt it will happen after the dust settles. over $1b for a tunnel to replace the viaduct and extend the monorail to west seattle. where's the beef(money)?

k

Posted by: DNHunt Jun 25 2005, 09:36 AM

I don't think it will happen. $250,000,000 in government funds, environmental issues, NIMBY, and a vocal opposition will sink it. They need to look up in the Darrington area with all of the Tar Heels that live up there. Long ways to go but it's a perfect fit.

Dave

Posted by: rdauenhauer Jun 25 2005, 10:13 AM

Where is this market reasearch that is saying that the PACNW is ripe for NASCAR consumption?

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 25 2005, 10:17 AM

QUOTE (rdauenhauer @ Jun 25 2005, 08:13 AM)
Where is this market reasearch that is saying that the PACNW is ripe for NASCAR consumption?

From all the Nascar stuff sold on Ebay that gets shipped to the PNW.........

Posted by: redshift Jun 25 2005, 10:21 AM

hahahaha

Good luck, fellas...

BORING

M

Posted by: DNHunt Jun 25 2005, 10:28 AM

I suspect there a lot of support as long as it's not too close to where you live. I wouldn't want it near me but, I talked to lady who lives about 3 miles from there on 10 acres. She's talking about a RV park with an old stock car for a sign. I think she's nuts but, she'll probably develop it, sell it and retire before me.

Dave

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 25 2005, 10:37 AM

Go back to tending your sheep, Miles.

Posted by: J P Stein Jun 25 2005, 10:39 AM

They need to get away form the blue counties to have any chance of getting approval of construction. Also, no way is the gubbmint gonna put up any funding......it's blue too and if it's such a gud deal, private funding would be all over it.

Cowlitz County, maybe Thurston along the I-5 corridor would be the best chance.

Posted by: p914 Jun 25 2005, 10:47 AM

They thought about La Center but that seemed to get back burnered.

Posted by: J P Stein Jun 25 2005, 11:37 AM

There are great piles of dredged mud flow sitting along the freeway down around the Toutle river and even bigger ones
that you can't see up the Toutle a bit. Great piles of sterile shittage would be an ideal spot for a track......1/2 mile off I-5.
Practicly nuthin' else there. !00 miles from Seattle, 50 from Portland. Cowlitz county is depressed......a freeway exit right there....duh.

Posted by: redshift Jun 25 2005, 11:39 AM

JP is FINALLY going to have a crowd he can get along with.

M

Posted by: messix Jun 25 2005, 12:00 PM

my .02. so i'm a nascar fan. and a NHRA fan. and a CART fan when it was a real racing series.[pre tony george apocolypse] trans am was great in the day.

whats so great about nascar? you can go to a race track and actually see most of the action if not all of it. road racing about the most youll get is a corner and part of a straight.

whats more is nascar has like it or not, fine tuned the gud ol boy, boy next door, uncle dale cousin tony image of the drivers.

the racing is the most competetive now than in the history of nascar.close racing and finishes make for happy fans.

now lets look the parade the is called F1. or the who cares indy racing league [it took a very atractive and by the way talented girl to draw viewers for this last indy 500].

4x4 rock crawling events draw more spectators than the local road racing events.

and no politics on the 914 forums.

blue if you are entitled to it. red if you earn it.

Posted by: rhodyguy Jun 25 2005, 03:55 PM

i'm suprised none of the indian nations haven't figured this one out. there's a casino around centralia/rochester. hotels, track, casino, booze, tobacco, fireworks. they need to think beyond just nascar. irl, alms. the track should be large enough to have an inner road track. the marysville idea was poorly concieved. yelm, about 10 miles from me, never had a chance.

k

Posted by: messix Jun 25 2005, 11:55 PM

marysville was perfect. arlington airport across the street [jets land there]. major freeway access. alot of available land.

just to many nimby's and a weak county gov.

tulalip tribes are missing the boat here to. if they financed this they could make a huge amount of cash thru the casino and they're new outlet mall.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Jun 26 2005, 11:06 AM

While I agree with you Troy that JP was bordering on a political lock-down Ive got to say NASCAR ...
QUOTE
whats so great about nascar? you can go to a race track and actually see most of the action if not all of it.

So What!? watching a bunch of billboards nose to tail going roundie round isnt interesting in the least. Driving skill is negligable in my view ..if you cant pass a guy w/o pushing your way past them thats not racing that bumper cars. NACAR's popularity is the result of MONEY. Advertising $'s have recognized the WWF vierweship mentaility and have latched on. Dont get me wrong, money and exposure are good, but not when the result is morphing competition into a "product". Too many rules not enough inovation no realtionship to what the "average joe" has in his driveway (which is where it all started).
As for the ability to VIEW racing at the track ...Look at Europe, they dont seem to have the same problems with Track design or fan attendence for: Touring car, cup racing, MotoGP, F1 (ill agree with you there, Yawn!) ect. Generally existing tracks in the US SUCK for the line of sight issue you raised but mostly for safety reasons.
Give me ALMS anyday.
Rant off

Posted by: redshift Jun 26 2005, 11:17 AM

NASCAR has been crap since 1970.

There.

M

Posted by: rhodyguy Jun 26 2005, 11:29 AM

i think that one direction of I-5 from everett to portland should be closed one weekend a year and turned in to a track. turn the reststops into pits. i would climb to the top of mt rainier so i could see most of the race. bottom line is there is no way the track could come close to sporting a fraction of the costs with one major nascar event a year. i really doubt it will happen, but then who would have thought the state would have funded 2 stadiums? one for a billionaire, and one for nintendo, after the voters said no?

k

Posted by: redshift Jun 26 2005, 12:00 PM

They don't listen to voters.

... and since they don't listen to voters, this isn't political.

M

Posted by: SLITS Jun 26 2005, 12:06 PM

I don't listen to the goobermunt.....

Is to political, is to political, is to political

Now's yer chance Clay!

Posted by: messix Jun 26 2005, 12:33 PM

So What!? watching a bunch of billboards nose to tail going roundie round isnt interesting in the least. Driving skill is negligable in my view ..if you cant pass a guy w/o pushing your way past them thats not racing that bumper cars. NACAR's popularity is the result of MONEY. Advertising $'s have recognized the WWF vierweship mentaility and have latched on. Dont get me wrong, money and exposure are good, but not when the result is morphing competition into a "product". Too many rules not enough inovation no realtionship to what the "average joe" has in his driveway (which is where it all started).
As for the ability to VIEW racing at the track ...Look at Europe, they dont seem to have the same problems with Track design or fan attendence for: Touring car, cup racing, MotoGP, F1 (ill agree with you there, Yawn!) ect. Generally existing tracks in the US SUCK for the line of sight issue you raised but mostly for safety reasons.
Give me ALMS anyday.

dont knock till you try it.
driving skill? it takes brass balls to drive 9.9/10ths into a corner with a car 12" in front 12"along side and 12" behind.

and the constant g's. don't get me wrong, I love all forms of motor racing. from snowmobiles,lawn mower,sprint car,and roadracing of all forms. just that i'd rather be road racing than watching it. just like golf can't stand watching it on tv.

Posted by: redshift Jun 26 2005, 01:00 PM

God! This place is like a gulag! You guys are torturing me! It's like a concentration camp in here!

Bush/Kerry '08!

M

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 26 2005, 03:50 PM

Who wants to try it....boring. Maybe if they put the crossover back in so they drove in a "8" then I would watchit. Thats driving skill..

Posted by: redshift Jun 26 2005, 03:55 PM

I'd watch anything stupid, like if they filled the trunk with bowling ball tossing monkeys, or had cannons loaded with feathers... FOOOF!

M