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Posted by: roadsportusa Aug 8 2019, 08:26 AM

Bestone914@aol.com Bruce Stone in Riverside, Ca. Sold be two rebuild-able rear calipers. I paid in full for them. I received them and they had rusted and pitted pistons and bores and could not be rebuilt. They were good for core exchange only. I call Bruce Stone and he instructed me to return them at my expense and he would refund the cost only. I returned them , paying the postage. $24.
He will not return my calls or emails. I called and emailed him over twenty times in the last 60 days. He went totally silent. This is bull shit!

Beware of this guy!!!

Posted by: sb914 Aug 8 2019, 08:30 AM

Slow your roll ! Bruce is a legit guy . He helps out the whole community!
I’m sure he’ll make it right.

Posted by: 76-914 Aug 8 2019, 08:54 AM

There must be another side to this story that isn't told here. He's always been a standup member.

Posted by: ConeDodger Aug 8 2019, 09:01 AM

If they were as you say “good for core” they are rebuildable. This isn’t adding up...

Posted by: Mblizzard Aug 8 2019, 09:09 AM

I will have to second that Bruce will make it right.

Anytime you buy and sell a used part there is a chance that in a part that is pushing 50-years old something might not be known about the part at the time of the buy or sale. We all should keep this in mind every time we buy.

First I would never rebuild brakes on a 914. We have people (Eric at https://www.pmbperformance.com/catalog.html) that are real experts and overall you get the best safety going that route. Especially on the rears.

The solution for paying the shipping is perfectly reasonable as both parties took a chance on the parts. If you wanted to be 100% they were not pitted you would have asked to see a photo of the pistons and if Bruce wanted to be sure he could have inspected before shipping.

I had a similar issue once, not with Bruce, where I had sent stuff to the wrong address. Not saying that happened but sometimes there are multiple reasons for the mix-up.

But Your best bet is still going through https://www.pmbperformance.com/catalog.html.

Posted by: Chi-town Aug 8 2019, 09:13 AM

I would suggest you send them to PMB to be rebuilt as you probably don't have the experience with 914 calipers that you needed to make your claim.

The bore of the caliper is just a guide. It can have minor pitting and work just fine.

We almost never reuse the factory pistons as they are always rusty and pitted.

As with most new 914 owners, what you think is junk may be the exact opposite.

Bruce is an upstanding member of our community so for you to come in making accusations on your 4th post ever is a bit much.

Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 8 2019, 09:26 AM

Contacted 20 times after returning the parts and 0 on the other end? Other vendors would have been roasted alive. The buyer seems to have done as told and returned them on his nickle. So shipping both ways for what turns out to be scrap? If they were bought as rebuildable cores that's not the buyers fault. I don't think PMB can rebuild EVERY caliper that comes thru the doors.

Posted by: ConeDodger Aug 8 2019, 09:27 AM

I just checked Facebook. Bruce is In Cat Training School, learning how to herd cats...

Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 8 2019, 09:41 AM

Pretty funny. You missed your calling. You should have become a comedian.

Posted by: Chi-town Aug 8 2019, 09:51 AM

Talked with Bruce, what the op didn't say is that he returned them with chisel damage to the pistons because his supposed mechanic didn't know what he was doing

Posted by: ConeDodger Aug 8 2019, 10:16 AM

Once again genius, Bruce really is talking about Cat Training School on Facebook.

Posted by: ValcoOscar Aug 8 2019, 10:18 AM

Just saying....Bruce wouldn't purposely take advantage of anyone. He is a great asset to our community. Something does not add up. ???

He lives about an hour away and can often be found in my garage on weekends working on member cars...free of charge. That's the Bruce I know and cherish.

my 2 cents...

Oscar

Posted by: Chi-town Aug 8 2019, 10:34 AM

He works in data cataloging

Posted by: Literati914 Aug 8 2019, 10:34 AM

..but regarding the inability to contact him when there's a problem with a sell - we have a similar conversation on a fairly regular basis around here, from what I've seen. Yet everyone still vouches for him . So he probably is a great guy but could certainly do better if he's gonna bother to sell stuff and maintain his good reputation, jmho.

Posted by: 914_teener Aug 8 2019, 11:04 AM

Honestly....posts like this serve no purpose.

The transaction is between two people and can be handled without getting up on a internet soapbox.

I am sure Bruce is able to tell the OP to pound sand on his own.

Posted by: 76-914 Aug 8 2019, 11:20 AM

Sounds about right. I remember when someone was slamming SoCal Andy over a sticker he was waiting on. Then I heard from Andy as to what really transpired. Regardless, I judge folks by my personal dealings with them; not what others say. I once had a mechanic neighbor that screwed many folks. But for some reason he took a liking to me and offered any assistance needed to me every time. He even replaced a timing chain on my Dad's RV for free. A regular Prince to me so I had nothing but great experiences with him. Go figure?

Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 8 2019, 11:26 AM

"Genius"? Fuck you chubby.

Posted by: JamesM Aug 8 2019, 11:27 AM

That sounds about right given the nature of the rears. Absolutely only want to let someone that knows what they are doing tear down a caliper. I have seen them tear apart a lot of calipers at PMB, dont ever recall them using a hammer and chisel!!!

Betting the OP wont respond to this thread now.

Posted by: cuddy_k Aug 8 2019, 12:16 PM

1000% I have first-hand experience of his generosity. I'm confident all will be right.

Posted by: 914_7T3 Aug 8 2019, 12:41 PM

With that being said I will also vouch for Bruce's integrity. I have purchased many parts including a full suspension set up that he spent more than 12 hours helping install. The 914 community benefits greatly from his knowledge and tech sessions too. Check out this set up compliments of Bruce!

Posted by: drem914 Aug 8 2019, 12:53 PM

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 8 2019, 01:15 PM

I don't know roadsportusa, but I do know Bruce. I put no stock at all in what this new member is saying. Additionally, based upon the tone of his post, I hope he checks his blood pressure and calms down.

Bruce is a standup guy and I have never known him to be anything but that. A valued resource to our community and one of the first to offer assistance to anyone. Just sayin.

Posted by: Steve Aug 8 2019, 01:40 PM

Great guy, knowledgeable, etc. never had an issue.
Bought tons of stuff from Bruce including my current gas tank and 914 top.

Posted by: wes Aug 8 2019, 01:43 PM

I’m beginning to think maybe new members should have something like a waiting period before they can complain about other members. That would give them time to learn of some of the standup members and suppliers that really help make this site what it is. My 2 cents!

Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 8 2019, 01:50 PM

Good form in coming in here on your fourth post and slamming someone like Bruce. Bruce has done so many good turns for me personally, and I know he's helped many others here quite generously.

The OP is barking up the wrong tree. Bruce has many satisfied customers here .

Posted by: burton73 Aug 8 2019, 01:52 PM

Right On, Right On, Right on

Posted by: 76-914 Aug 8 2019, 02:05 PM

He has actually been here for 3.5 years, has 3 pages of posts on file. All of his posts have been WTB: or WTS: ads in the classifieds. No interaction in the other forums. Peace out.

Posted by: 914_teener Aug 8 2019, 02:14 PM

Hey Jeff.....still want those spring clips for the 2.0 airbox?

PM me if you do.

Posted by: bdstone914 Aug 8 2019, 02:29 PM

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So here is my side. I sold a pair of rear 911calipers in core rebuildable condition.
More than a year later Ron contacts me ans says his mechanic said that are rusted, seized and "need to be resleeved". Hmmm.
The calipers have not sign of external rust and were the best pair I had.
I asked for pictures to back up the claims. I get a picture of one bore with minor surface rust. I send the pic to @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=1110 and he confirms that the small amount of rust is not problem as I thought.

I told him to return the calipers. When I get them it looks like a large chisel was used on the top of a piston to remove it.
All other pistons are in there bores.

At this point I realize Ron and his mechanic are too unknowledgeable to waste time to deal with.

So I get damaged calipers and am supposed to refund in full plus shipping and what his incompentent mechanic charged to screw up the calipers.
I am cutting my losses and Ron you can take it as a loss too. You have wasted too much of my time.
I consider this thread closed. I will not be replying to this thread.
Thank you to all those who stood up for me.
My suggestion to others is do not sell to this member to avoid problems caused by people who do not know what they are doing.

Bruce

Posted by: 75porsche914 Aug 8 2019, 02:37 PM

I would vouch for Bruce Stone's integrity and I'm sure anyone who knows Bruce would do the same.

There are always 2 sides to a story and although I am unsure of the circumstances I would feel confident stating that if you are purchasing from Bruce Stone you are dealing with a reputable, knowledgeable professional and a caring person at that too.

Posted by: 76-914 Aug 8 2019, 02:55 PM

Hah! Just as I said in post #3. Most of us here that have dealt with Bruce knew something was Rotten in Denmark.

Posted by: Front yard mechanic Aug 8 2019, 03:09 PM

Left leg left leg left leg

Posted by: Literati914 Aug 8 2019, 03:15 PM

That's me too. I just know that I sent money to Bruce on 10/20 and didn't received my item til sometime after 11/20. Nor did I receive any reply from him after many attempts at PMs (all the while he'd been on-line and commenting in various threads) - and this was AFTER getting absolutely RIPPED by him on 11/12 for sending money via 'friends and family'. Sorry dude. Then I only heard from him after posting on the forum multiple times asking if anyone had heard from him lately (and everyone vouching for his rep). This seems to be a big part of what the OP is miffed about - and I can't blame him for that. Of course I give Bruce the benefit of the doubt on the scarred brake piston - I could see that happening too.

Posted by: Coondog Aug 8 2019, 03:31 PM

I was done when Bruce said the buyer contacted him a year later........
So the buyer has been trolling this site for over 3 years and doesn’t have enough since to send them to PMB in the the first place.......

Posted by: worn Aug 8 2019, 04:13 PM

Or how to use a grease gun. Works time after time.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Aug 8 2019, 04:49 PM

We are done here.


This has gone from bad to worse and resulted in a bunch of hurt feelings.

And it's taking time from me getting the 4.0 installed in the chassis.

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