Having already received one Momo solid hub that wouldn't go on the steering shaft, on the recommendation of a gent who I buy tools and custom Porsche parts from I tried Amazon for what was purported to be a MOMO 8002 solid hub.
What showed up from "LTB Autosports" turned out NOT TO BE a solid hub as advertised.
Anyone can plainly see from the measurements this one wouldn't ever work regardless of configuation.
Before I raise the white flag I'm open to suggestions. Jimmy Tidwell made some of these at one time but as the market was covered he prefers to make things you cannot easily buy.
OTOH, Ive got a half dozen cool period wheels looking for a car.
Thanks
Tom
PS: Box is marked 89-97 Mazda Miata but also has a MOMO 8002 sticker "for Porsche" on it.
Its not a Momo mistake for sure.....lets see the box
There are 2 different hubs for 914.
Post a pic of the back of your stock steering wheel splines.
If there's a taper before the splines it's a late unit, no taper is early.
I have a used momo solid hub for late if that's the one you end up needing.
FYI,,there is 2 8002,,,,the og one solid alum, the modern version is collapsible sorta design..
these both are 73-76
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send it back ,,,,
#1 the one they sent is not a solid hub .
#2 miata and 914....2 different cars period.
8002 is the correct #.. I doubt they have a soild one in stock .
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Momo doesn't make a solid hub any longer from what I was told
Call Louis. He's one of the good guys, fellow VW racer, wouldn't screw anyone. He'll make it right.
https://ltbautosports.com/
BTW, I buy *all* my Momo stuff directly from him.
Yep as mentioned that early hub isn't made anymore and used ones are thin on the ground,I seem to remember early Golf and 944 are the same spline but don't know if you can make them work.
In my opinion, the stock wheel is the best looking one on a 914.
According to baseball rules I have now struck out.
The 3rd hub showed yesterday looking as if it had been used for "catch" in the warehouse. Missing parts and the box had plenty of shelf wear. "New Old Stock". lol
CSR from the company who sold it couldn't have been nicer and apologized for the issue. Gave full credit for shipping and return costs. I like this outfit and only wish it had turned out better.
I've noted that the 8002 solid hubs don't come with a horn button retainer. How does that work? Every MOMO hub I've owned always had one.
First....what year is your 914?
Looking at this same problem myself right now. I have a 1971 914-4.
The solid adapter shown in post #4 looks like what you need.
Different adapters have completely different "architecture" on the side of the hub away from where the steering wheel mounts.
Some stick out and one is recessed (8002).
I'll bet you need the solid/recessed one (8002) that is shown in post #4, 3rd and 4th pics.
That's what I need for my car.
You will need to swap over the cancelling ring from the backside of your stock steering wheel to the back of the Momo adapter.
A horn button retainer is not on the adapter....it is just the center of the steering wheel itself.
Looks like 8002 do exist out there.
I just ordered a 8002 from Pelican Parts.
We'll see what shows up.
Here's a couple on Ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOMO-Steering-Wheel-Hub-Adapter-compatible-with-Porsche-914-8002/223577998230?fits=Make%3APorsche&epid=1417849162&hash=item340e498396:g:aJgAAOSwJoNZ18TR
(Ten available)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Momo-8002-Steering-Wheel-Hub-Adapter-For-Porsche-1972-2018/112731110083?epid=1977750456&hash=item1a3f4c3ac3:g:0QgAAOSwSrNaTSJA
The box that was marked 8002 Miata was clearly mismarked.....bummer.
This looks identical to my shaft on my 71 914-4.
Except I don't see the black plastic square "thingy" with the copper horn contact ring that sits on top of it.
I'll have the 8002 hub in about a week with any luck and see if everything mounts up correctly and report back here.
If you have a 70-71 914,, with the a 70-71 column,, you need the even more rare
MOMO hub 8000......it has the deeper recess you mention
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luisi model S5904
http://classicgarage.com/s5904.html
So I cancelled may 8002 order with Pelican, and ordered up the hub from classic garage.
Good thing you cancelled the 8002, I got one from rennline (solid) for my 71 race car, it fits but it sticks off the column about 1/2 an inch. The metal collar shown previously for a ‘71 prevents it from seating all the way down... the deep hub shown by sixnotfour is the correct part although I’m curious how far it extends the steering wheel, mine is almost too close (but tolerable) to the blinker switch when using a newer prototipo.
I was going to source or make an aluminum collar to fit, but pretty low on the priority list.
Please post pics of what you get from classicgarage, I don't need a horn so I all I care about is fit, would be miles ahead if it puts the wheel in the same place as the 8002.
Easiest way to tell an early column from a late column in a -4 is by if the wiper switch is on the column. If it is it's a late column, if it's not it's an early column. (Does not apply to -6!)
The 8002 is the correct adapter for the late column. The solid one is no longer being made my Momo (called them to ask), the collapsible unit is still available.
If you need an early adapter:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Steering-Wheel-Adapter-Kit-for-MOMO-NRG-fit-PORSCHE-356B-356C-911-912-914-Black/123895843782?hash=item1cd8c48bc6:g:5lsAAOSwWqtdqChq
If you need a late one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Steering-Wheel-Hub-Adapter-Kit-for-MOMO-NRG-SPARCO-OMP-fit-PORSCHE-914-Black/121794304062?fits=Model%3A914&epid=17008132436&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item1c5b81983e:g:X~EAAOSwhcJWKKA6
I have the late one and it's a nice piece, well made and fits both my Nardi and Momo bolt patterns.
The hub adapter kit showed up today from Classicgarage.com.
It's a good new/bad news story.
The good news first.
All the parts "look" good, but looks can be deceiving as they say.
The company that makes these is Luisi out of Italy.
I ordered the S5904 that is supposed to be for 69-71 914's.
Here is a pic of the parts you get.
The silver ring that the horn button is supposed to snap into has an ID that is too big to accommodate a standard Momo horn button.
Luckily most Momo wheels come with the correct silver ring that has the right ID for your horn button. Issue dodged there.
The adapter itself slides onto the column splines correctly and pushes on just right.
There is no big gap between the backside of this hub and where it meets up to the rest of the column.
Now comes the deal breaker to me....
See pic below.
The hole where the spring loaded contact pin is supposed to go is way too far inboard.
See yellow arrow.
The location for the contact pin needs to be a good 1/4 - 3/8" farther out.
Where it's located now, the pin won't ride on the copper contact ring but on the screws that locate the ring.
That's just not going to work.
Your steering wheel will either stop turning when the contact pin hits one of the contact ring screw heads.....or you'll just shear off or bend the contact pin.
Nice!
If you look at the Momo 8000 pictured in post #16, you can see that the contact pin on that hub is outboard much farther than where the Luisi hub contact pin location will be.
Time to come up with another solution as the correct Momo 8000 hubs are NLA.
Modifying a stock wheel might be an option except that they are very expensive being so much like the RS wheel everyone wants.
Idea; encapsulate the plunger in epoxy in the correct location ???
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It doesn't look like the old Momo hub would be all that hard to replicate—914 Rubber or another vendor to the rescue?
I wish I had kept my extra, but it was just gathering dust. Had a sense they were thin on the ground, but not this thin.
Ordered a 3" 18 Ga copper disc today.
Will attempt to make a custom horn contact disc for my car.
Need a 1.5" ID hole in the middle plus a few small holes on the perimeter for mounting and it might just work.
I like the Liusi hub....just the horn contact pin is located incorrectly in their design.
Stay tuned.
I was going to try using the horn contact ring off a 911, but I'm not sure it's any better than the 914 ring I currently have.
cool,
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So here's the problem with the Luisi hub.
It all fits great and looks fine.
The problem is where the hole for the horn contact pin is located.
From the pic, you can see the center of horn pin contact hole is about 2.5mm from the center of the hub.
As compared to the factory wheel/hub which has it's horn pin hole about 3.5mm from the center of the hub.
Is that a problem with the Luisi hub?
Well it is a problem when you consider the horn ring contact that is in the steering column.
You can see where the factory pin rides up on the most out part of the ring.
With the Luisi placement, the horn contact pin would ride in the same area where the 4 holes for the screws reside that hold the contact ring into the steering column.
You'd either bend or break off the horn contact ring as you turned the steering wheel when the pin would hit the heads of the screws on the contact ring.
Or you might not even be able to turn the steering wheel as the contact pin hit the screw heads on the contact ring.
Not a good thing in either way....
You can see the issue in the below pic.
The location of the contact pin is not far enough from the center of the hub.
In fact, you can see the hole just peaking out towards the center of the hole of the contact ring (yellow arrow).
How about moving the screws outward and filling the holes on the inside ring?
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Gave up on the Luisi hub.
It's not going to fit my 71 914-4 although the shop that sells them swears they've sold a lot of these and no one has ever had a problem? What?
Fast forword to today....
I bit the bullet, found and purchased a Momo 8000.
It fits great out of the box.
It was necessary to tap the 3 holes on the backside where the turn signal cancellation ring fits.
Done.
My only issue was trying to ground the horn button to the inside of the hub.
The Momo horn button I had in hand had 2 electrical connectors.
The Momo 8000 hub has one wire.
Something doesn't translate here.
For now I just snuck a wire underneath the large washer/nut that holds the steering wheel on.
Put that wire on one of the horn button connectors and the wire from the hub to the other horn button connector.
We have a horn.
How have other people completed the circuit for the Momo horn button?
This is the type of Momo horn button I have.
Has the 2 electrical connections and the spring that holds the button
into the hub does not contact the inside of the hub.
Apparently, this is the type of Momo horn button I need.
The spring that does contact the inside of the hub completes the circuit when you push the button.
Why is life so complicated at times?
Makes it a challenge to get the button you really want (how it looks) vs getting a button that actually is functional...but maybe not your favorite as far as looks go.
wow 8000 where you just lucky or is there a source??
now if you can find the marker lens
this is one I have for comparison. Looks the same but numbers are different. I
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So I cancelled may 8002 order with Pelican, and ordered up the hub from classic garage.
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I have a hub from Max Papis that appears to be correct for early cars.
I will try it on a friend early car.
I contacted them when I saw Pelican is now carrying them. I told them them appear to have a hub for the early cars but the cataloging was not correct. They sent me two hubs to verify fitment.
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914-6 / 911 momo 230
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What are you saying? What that should fit?
What is Momo 230?
Bruce, your hub will not fit an early 914-4.
It will fit a 914-6.
They have totally different hubs.
The 914-6 takes a Mom0 0230 hub which what yours look like.
The hub for the early 914-4 needs to have a substantial recess like this:
Excuse my French....but your back of your hub protrudes.
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Bruce, your hub will not fit an early 914-4.
It will fit a 914-6.
They have totally different hubs.
The 914-6 takes a Mom0 0230 hub which what yours look like.
The hub for the early 914-4 needs to have a substantial recess like this:
Excuse my French....but your back of your hub protrudes.
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I think you are correct on the fitment. I have a SWB column it should fit. Will cross check the Momo 230 fitment.
I think the Momo 0230 hubs fit not only the 914-6, but 74+ 911, 924 and 944. Plus some others as well I believe.
.230=73 - 911
Update from Luisi.
I sent my first Luisi hub back to the vendor I purchased it from today, as I just received a new and improved version of the Luisi hub for early (70/71) 914-4's.
It looks like a winner.
Fits great, the horn contact pin is in the correct location, takes a Momo or Nardi wheel.
And price is great.
They are normally $85.98 which is a whole heck of a lot cheaper than any Momo 8000 you'll be able to find....but they are currently on sale for only $65.98.
That is a screaming deal.
The vendor has been great to work with and very responsive in finding a solution to getting my Momo wheel installed in my 1970 914-4.
I'm trying to find out right now if this is a wheel hub they can easily stock, or if it was a special order, one-off kind of thing they did for me.
I'll get back with everyone on this as soon as I hear back from them.
Super Good IIntell…..great vendor response...
So the vendor is sourcing this new design from Luisi now.
It is very similar to the Momo 8000....for the early (70/71) 914-4.
Classic Garage is the place.
I think total including shipping is right at $85, so a very nice price.
Not affiliated.
They just went out of their way...a lot...to help me out.
https://classicgarage.com/s5904.html
As far as horn buttons go....
There is a supplied ring that can be used, but I think a standard Momo button may still be too small.
I've got a horn button I bought from Car-Bone out of Poland that fits nicely with a little foam tape on the edge of it inside of the supplied ring.
I'm sure you creative guys out there can figure something out.
Otherwise, everything else fits as it should.
The stock cancellation rings mounts up easily.
The horn contact pin is in the correct location.
The splines are correct.
And there is the right amount of recess on the backside of the hub to meet up with the steering column with a small gap between the two (the hub and the column).
I'll try to get a pic of this hub up on this thread by tomorrow.
Bump.
Got another one from Pegasus with a bunch of shelf wear. Looks like its been back and forth a couple of times. Identical to the one I got from Summit Racing. Sheesh.
Great thread, now I have to dig out my Luisi hub bought 18 months ago and cross my fingers it fits the Prototipo.
Does MOMO actually produce a collapsible hub for the '73-'76 cars? I've been told that all that is available are solid hubs.[/b]
BTW: The original owner of my car and I catch up from time to time. He is a really interesting guy. A few weeks ago I asked if he ever had another wheel on the car when he competed? "No, only the original wheel" was the reply.
Here's his history in the car. He's 88 now, still competing and not happy that autocross events have been cancelled due to CV-19.. Still a competitor!
He sent some photos that do show the original wheel in the car in competition. Below is his record in the car.
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