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Posted by: AZBanks Aug 17 2019, 04:13 PM

Picked up the new nine-fort-green. Drove to Tucson early this morning, picked it up and drove it back to Phoenix. It got a bit warm in the cockpit with the top off around 11:00 am Phoenix time.

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Posted by: AZBanks Aug 17 2019, 04:15 PM

Home sweet home.


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Posted by: AZBanks Aug 17 2019, 04:19 PM

It is a good 40 footer. The person who painted it was blind and painted it with a garden hose from 40 feet.

I took a buffing wheel to is to remove the worst of the oxidation. It looks better in some places and revealed more problems in others.

Something spilled on the rear deck lid at some point and stained/etched into the paint.

Oh well, it is a daily driver for now.


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Posted by: AZBanks Aug 17 2019, 04:23 PM

From what I can see, there is nothing but metal under that horrible cracked paint.


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Posted by: AZBanks Aug 17 2019, 04:25 PM

The interior is not great but not terrible. A new set of carpet and some minor fixes and it will look decent.


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Posted by: AZBanks Aug 17 2019, 04:26 PM

Dual carbs. It runs ok but needs some tuning to get the most out of it.


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Posted by: AZBanks Aug 17 2019, 04:28 PM

I am in the house posting on 914world because I don't want to be back out in the hot garage finishing with the buffing wheel. beer3.gif


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Posted by: Craigers17 Aug 17 2019, 06:29 PM

Nice car....I saw this on Craigslist a few weeks back.....based on what I'm assuming you paid for it, it was very well bought. Congrats!

Posted by: AZBanks Aug 17 2019, 09:15 PM

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Nice car....I saw this on Craigslist a few weeks back.....based on what I'm assuming you paid for it, it was very well bought. Congrats!


My son is out in the garage putting a coat of wax on it and it looks so much better than when we brought it home this morning.
It runs pretty well. There is some hesitation in the midrange around 3000 to 3500 rpm but it had no trouble running 75 to 85 on the trip home.

With the work we did today cleaning it up, add a couple more days fixing piddly little things, and a less than $500 in parts and I could most likely double my money on it. (And I would have gotten away with it too if weren't for that meddling kid... idea.gif )

That meddling kid out in the garage would not be happy if I sold his new high school daily driver. hissyfit.gif

I'll take some good shots tomorrow when the light is better.

Posted by: Tdskip Aug 17 2019, 09:18 PM

Score!

Congratulations

Posted by: Spoke Aug 17 2019, 09:25 PM

Nice car. Good luck with it.

My 914 had a crap paint job on it. I proceeded to wet sand the entire car by hand starting with 1000 grit going to 1600, then rubbing compound, polishing compound, glaze, then wax. Looks good enough to drive really fast.

Posted by: AZBanks Aug 17 2019, 10:43 PM

It has rock chips EVERYWHERE. Seriously, it looks like the car has a case of the measles. Not worth the effort to sand and buff. Just using the buffing wheel made it look so much better. We will stick with that and a good wax for now. The longer term plan is a complete repaint. That will involve removing a LOT of overspray.

Posted by: second wind Aug 17 2019, 11:49 PM

I love this car and your energy will bring it back to glory days. Sounds like you did a good deal.....all the best,
gg

Posted by: second wind Aug 17 2019, 11:53 PM

Just the way the headlights fit shows you found a gem. I wish my headlights looked that good. Whatever you paid you stole it.
gg

Posted by: ndfrigi Aug 18 2019, 12:01 AM

Congrats and yes you got a good buy since you able to drive it home. Hoping the body is solid!


Posted by: AZBanks Aug 18 2019, 09:55 AM

I have checked it pretty good and I can find no evidence of ANY crash damage. Every corner and all the sides look to be original. There are some minor door dings but no major waves in any part of the body. It has two rust spots along the inside edge of the drivers long but they are small. It has a little rust in the passenger side rear trunk that appears to have been coated in por15. The worst spot is the top of the passenger fender. It will need a 3X6 section replaced.

I am really happy with it.

Posted by: AZBanks Aug 31 2019, 12:24 PM

Went to the emissions testing facility to hang out with Gandalf and the Black Knight.





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Posted by: AZBanks Aug 31 2019, 01:00 PM

Engine code W0122833


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Posted by: ndfrigi Aug 31 2019, 01:04 PM

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Engine code W0122833


Is the car between 70 and 72 year? W engine I believed are from 70 to 72.

Posted by: AZBanks Aug 31 2019, 01:06 PM

When I was checking the car, I was really happy with the lack of rust and good condition mechanically. the one area I neglected to check as well as I should have was the wiring. Some PO(S) did some seriously substandard wiring work.

Nothing that can't be fixed but it is still annoying.

The silver cable with the red ends in this picture is just a stainless steel cable. It is being used as the ground strap.

The white and yellow wires are a home built wire setup for the license plate lights.

The green wire is to the starter.

Posted by: AZBanks Aug 31 2019, 01:06 PM

When I was checking the car, I was really happy with the lack of rust and good condition mechanically. the one area I neglected to check as well as I should have was the wiring. Some PO(S) did some seriously substandard wiring work.

Nothing that can't be fixed but it is still annoying.

The silver cable with the red ends in this picture is just a stainless steel cable. It is being used as the ground strap.

The white and yellow wires are a home built wire setup for the license plate lights.

The green wire goes to the starter.


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Posted by: sixnotfour Aug 31 2019, 01:56 PM

needs a transmission to trunk floor ground strap (factory), and ground will be good,,, 1 down

Posted by: AZBanks Sep 4 2019, 10:28 PM

Working on a tune-up. Trying to get it to pass emissions.
Points, condensor, plugs, cap & rotor.

Posted by: ndfrigi Sep 4 2019, 10:36 PM

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Working on a tune-up. Trying to get it to pass emissions.
Points, condensor, plugs, cap & rotor.


Still require emission in your state? Is it just California that exempt 75 and older?

Posted by: AZBanks Sep 4 2019, 11:06 PM

Emissions result from Saturday


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Posted by: Larmo63 Sep 4 2019, 11:08 PM

So, Arizona is even KOOKIER than California when it comes to old cars?

I didn't think it possible.

Posted by: michael7810 Sep 5 2019, 06:38 AM

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Emissions result from Saturday

You probably know this, but get classic car insurance and registration and you don’t need emissions test.

Posted by: VaccaRabite Sep 5 2019, 07:51 AM

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QUOTE(AZBanks @ Sep 4 2019, 10:06 PM) *

Emissions result from Saturday

You probably know this, but get classic car insurance and registration and you don’t need emissions test.

If his son wants to daily this car in HS (which is a terrible idea BTW) collector car insurance is a non-starter.

Zach

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Emissions result from Saturday

Running rich... CO is rich/lean indicator and high HC indicates misfire / unburned fuel.

Posted by: ValcoOscar Sep 5 2019, 08:10 AM

Congrats Eric-

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Nice score...enjoy!!!


I sent you a little something...should arrive today.

Oscar

Posted by: Coondog Sep 5 2019, 08:44 AM

What happened to your other 914 project.

Posted by: michael7810 Sep 5 2019, 09:16 AM

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Emissions result from Saturday

You probably know this, but get classic car insurance and registration and you don’t need emissions test.

If his son wants to daily this car in HS (which is a terrible idea BTW) collector car insurance is a non-starter.

Zach

Oh. In that case Jack at Stuttgart SW has a 914 exhaust with a catalytic converter that he bolts on to pass emissions if you don’t get it to pass.

Posted by: AZBanks Sep 5 2019, 11:15 AM

I daily drove a 914 my senior year in high school and it was AWESOME!
OTOH, I've never been known to back away from a really good terrible idea. screwy.gif

Yes, every once in a while Arizona has to do something to make California laws look good.

Michael,
I can not get collector car insurance because of the intended use of the car and the fact that my son does not have another vehicle to use as his "daily driver".
I think is is messed up that even with a 48 year old Porsche, no collector insurance means no collector plate and no collector plate means I have to get it to pass emissions.

I am trying to reach my state reps and senator to see if the law can be changed to remove the collector insurance requirement to get a collector plate.

I am definitely having a misfire and unburned fuel. I am getting a backfire up through the carbs.
I replaced the points, condensor, cap and rotor, and the plugs.
I am going to adjust the valves and then check the timing.
If those things don't fix the problems, I'll start looking into the carbs.

Doug,
My son and I are still working on the original project but I travel for work A LOT so progress is really SLOW!!!!

We picked this up so he would have something to drive while we work on the project.

Any advice or ideas to get this to pass emissions would be greatly appreciated.



On a REALLY good note, I had to switch insurance companies to do it but adding the 914 with full coverage and adding my 17 year old son as a driver bumped my monthly insurance premium by less than $100.

I was expecting my insurance to double just for adding my son as an insured driver so I am pretty stoked.


Oscar,
Thanks!!!, I am looking forward to it's arrival. beerchug.gif

Posted by: Coondog Sep 5 2019, 12:01 PM

Drop it off at anyone of these places, have the do a complete safety check while your at it and replace all the fuel lines..

Don Jackson Enterprises
Phoenix, AZ

Exotic Motorwerks
Scottsdale, AZ

Beck's European
Scottsdale, AZ

Stuttgart Southwest German
Tempe Az

All these shops have tons of 914 experience.

Posted by: AZBanks Sep 5 2019, 02:48 PM

If I don't get it to pass emissions today, I am taking it to Don Jackson(DJ) tomorrow.

DJ and Becks have done alignments on my 944 turbo and 944 S2 cab.



Oscar,
I got the stuff. Thank you very much! Love the hat and the key fob.



Posted by: AZBanks Sep 5 2019, 07:29 PM

Improved in some areas, got worse in others.

I am still getting back fires especially during deceleration.




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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 6 2019, 11:23 AM

I would like to petition the Arizona Department of Game and Fish to start a bounty program on previous owners who do stupid $h!+.

Square head screw???


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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 6 2019, 11:27 AM

I don't know if it was the same PO but someone tried to patch the front valance.
They used body filler to put in a second layer of sheet metal behind the rusty damaged section of the valance.

I am debating what to do with this valance. Is it worth the effort to cut out the bad parts and weld in a properly formed replacement section?

Should I fix it or replace it with something more aggressive.


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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 6 2019, 11:28 AM

Worst side of the valance.



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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 6 2019, 11:28 AM

Close up after I removed most of the body filler and badly rusted metal.


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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 6 2019, 11:30 AM

Back side of valance damage.



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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 6 2019, 11:31 AM

Other end of valance.


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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 6 2019, 11:32 AM

Back side of other end.


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Posted by: Coondog Sep 6 2019, 12:35 PM

Those are easy to replace and cheap. Save your anger for the big items that are going to piss you off.... headbang.gif

Posted by: AZBanks Sep 6 2019, 07:43 PM

Ordered a flow meter so I can adjust the carbs.

Working on a few cosmetic items while I wait.

The car came with a really old mismatched set of GM lap belts so they got replaced.



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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 6 2019, 07:48 PM

The bumper tops spent the last 48 years suffering through the Arizona sun. They have/had some major splits and they were extremely dry rotted.

This is not a show car, it is a high school daily driver so...



5 cans of plastidip later and they are almost ready to go back on the car. Curing overnight and then 2 more cans should do the trick.


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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 20 2019, 05:23 PM

I've been traveling a lot so not much has been done. It still doesn't pass emissions.

I've joked with my son that I am going to remove one of the spark plug wires to make it slower.

So today I'm starting to do some work on it, (new starter Bosch SR68X and some other minor things) and just messing around, I decided to pull one of the plug wires off at the distributor. It got me with a few arcs but the worst thing is, nothing changed. The car ran exactly the same with the one plug wire pulled. Then I put it back and tried another. Still no change. pulling the plug wires for both cylinders on the drivers side of the car did not change how the engine was running at all. I guess that is a clue to start figuring out why it is running like that and a good indication why it won't pass emissions.

Posted by: michael7810 Sep 20 2019, 05:32 PM

If you have Weber’s there is a good chance an idle jet is plugged. LMK if you need help. I have a couple books plus a great how-to guide for tuning carbs.

Posted by: AZBanks Sep 21 2019, 03:57 PM

We still have some tuning to do but we got it cleaned up so he can have it in his senior pictures. These are just some camera shots in the driveway. The real senior pictures will look much better.




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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 21 2019, 03:59 PM

A few more.


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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 21 2019, 04:00 PM

More


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Posted by: AZBanks Sep 21 2019, 04:08 PM

We were working on getting it cleaned up last night and two of the bolts pulled out of the left side of the rear bumper top so that went in the trash.

We got a bunch of parts from the PO when we bought the car including two sets of tail lights(in addition to the set on the car). The set with the best lenses must have been recovered from the engine room of the Titanic because they were FULL of rust. The lens bolts were so rusted that I could not get the lenses off the housings without cracking them in half. Luckily, the second spare set were not rusted and the lenses looked a lot better than the ones on the car so it all worked out.

When I bought the car the brake lights and turn signals worked but when I got it home, they didn't. (frustrating!!!)
After swaping out the tail lights last night, they all work again (still frustrating because now I can't trust them).

Michael, I'll be in touch about the Webers. I've run out of free time for this weekend but I need to get them squared away soon. Thanks.

Posted by: johnhora Sep 21 2019, 04:38 PM

I tell you what...ya'll have done a great job of getting this ole 914 cleaned up...
It looks GREAT!!!
Get with Michael on the carbs.... a good rebuild on the Webers will help immensely with those emission test numbers.
And for those worried about this young fellow driving it to school...don't....there's no back seat and you can only take one other person with you...fewer teens in the car means less trouble.
Good luck on this project!

Posted by: AZBanks Sep 24 2019, 10:55 AM

Senior pic


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Posted by: bbrock Sep 24 2019, 11:06 AM

Coolest senior pic possible. Got the 914 and the dog! smilie_pokal.gif

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Sep 24 2019, 11:22 AM

Nice looking in that shade of green & great Family project...dig the Automotion era shoulder harness bar biggrin.gif

Posted by: Jamie Sep 24 2019, 12:31 PM

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We still have some tuning to do but we got it cleaned up so he can have it in his senior pictures. These are just some camera shots in the driveway. The real senior pictures will look much better.


How tall is this boy? The senior photo is wonderful and will be a great memory in years to come.

Posted by: AZBanks Sep 25 2019, 08:27 AM

Nathan is 5' 11"

Our photographer did a great job photoshopping the car in that pic.

Here are a couple unedited pictures.


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Posted by: Jamie Sep 25 2019, 10:27 AM

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Nathan is 5' 11"

Our photographer did a great job photoshopping the car in that pic.

Here are a couple unedited pictures.

Since I'm a retired photographer I noticed he had Photoshopped the paint dings for you. Good job!

Posted by: AZBanks Sep 27 2019, 12:46 PM

I wish I could get a repaint for the price of the senior pics!!


Posted by: raynekat Sep 27 2019, 04:54 PM

That is one great color and good looking car.

Posted by: AZBanks Oct 19 2019, 03:35 PM

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I tell you what...ya'll have done a great job of getting this ole 914 cleaned up...
It looks GREAT!!!
Get with Michael on the carbs.... a good rebuild on the Webers will help immensely with those emission test numbers.
And for those worried about this young fellow driving it to school...don't....there's no back seat and you can only take one other person with you...fewer teens in the car means less trouble.
Good luck on this project!



My thoughts on him using it to get to school were that the good brakes and good handling would help him avoid accidents, relatively low power from a carbed 1.7 will keep him from going too fast, too soon, and having just one other seat means he can't fill it up with a bunch of knuckleheads who want him to do something stupid.

Posted by: AZBanks Oct 19 2019, 03:39 PM

I have been traveling a lot for work so this has been on the back burner. I got some time to do some checking on it today. I bought some starter fluid to check for vacuum leaks and did not find any.

I tried spraying the starter fluid into the carb opening for each cylinder and found that spraying it into cylinder #2 doesn't do anything but spraying it into any other cylinder causes the car to bog down.

So now I know that cylinder #2 is a problem. I don't know if it is the only problem but it gives me a place to start.

Posted by: AZBanks Nov 8 2019, 02:09 PM

After adjusting and/or replacing everything I could think of, I was not getting any differences in behavior so I dropped at Don Jackson Enterprises in Phoenix for a thorough checkup. His initial idea from driving it from the front of his shop to the back is that there may be something mechanically wrong in the engine (valves, seats, compression, rings, something along those lines). headbang.gif headbang.gif headbang.gif headbang.gif headbang.gif

If it is really bad, I have a spare 1.8 sitting in my garage. I'll swap that in and rebuild the 1.7. If I do a rebuild of the 1.7, should I go big? New cylinders, pistons, and heads??


Posted by: AZBanks Dec 6 2019, 09:57 AM

When I was working on it trying to get it to pass emissions, I found that one of the spark plugs had some kind of insert bonded to it to the point where I could not remove it without destroying the threads of the insert. I looked all over and finally found a replacement insert at NAPA. I put it in, put in the spark plug and thought all was well.

What I did not find but DJ at Don Jackson Enterprises did was that the old insert had broken and part of it had moved down into the spark plug hole to the point that it stuck out of the hole enough to cover the end of the spark plug.
It was covering the end of the spark plug enough that the spark was not able to ignite the fuel which was why it was failing emissions.

DJ got it to pass emissions so I am going today to get it registered and a plate. I am thinking about getting "NARP" as the plate. My son likes it but my wife thinks it's dumb.

What do you guys think? Should I go with NARP or something else.

Posted by: sixnotfour Dec 6 2019, 10:27 AM

irish914.jpg 94GRN


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Posted by: AZBanks Dec 6 2019, 10:35 AM

My Son wants the RT66 style plate which only has room for 6 characters.

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GRNMNE is available but the car is only a 1.7 with webbers. I have a hard time thinking of it as being mean and GRNPOWDERPUFF won't fit. cheer.gif

Posted by: AZBanks Dec 8 2019, 11:28 PM

I went with NARP.

I got the new carpet kit installed and took my youngest son to the Scottsdale AZ cars and coffee Sat morning.

Posted by: michael7810 Dec 9 2019, 09:04 AM

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I went with NARP.

I got the new carpet kit installed and took my youngest son to the Scottsdale AZ cars and coffee Sat morning.


Did you go to 4till4 or North Scottsdale? There were 3 914s at 4till4 when I left at 730.

Posted by: AZBanks Dec 9 2019, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(AZBanks @ Dec 8 2019, 10:28 PM) *

I went with NARP.

I got the new carpet kit installed and took my youngest son to the Scottsdale AZ cars and coffee Sat morning.


Did you go to 4till4 or North Scottsdale? There were 3 914s at 4till4 when I left at 730.


North Scottsdale. I had not been in a long time. I didn't know it was now a membership thing where you have to pay to park in the main areas. There were no other 914's there.

If I am in town, I will try out 4till4 next month.


Posted by: AZBanks Dec 11 2019, 12:10 PM

Carpet pics.


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Posted by: AZBanks Dec 11 2019, 12:11 PM

The new carpet makes the the car feel a lot more "finished" to drive.


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Posted by: AZBanks Dec 11 2019, 12:12 PM

last carpet pic


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Posted by: AZBanks Dec 11 2019, 11:45 PM

I fixed alignment on passenger side of engine lid. It had been making contact with the front edge of the rear trunk lid.

The engine cover and especially the rear trunk lid are/were way out of alignment.
The rear trunk hinge mounts are seriously messed up. The passenger side trunk mount bracket is most of the way broken off. the drivers side has been replaced with a big chunk of aluminum plate.

The trunk lid hinges on both sides needs to be fixed correctly before I try to fix the engine lid alignment on the drivers side.



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Posted by: AZBanks Dec 11 2019, 11:48 PM

drivers side alignment. Yes it is making contact.


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Posted by: AZBanks Dec 11 2019, 11:49 PM

Drivers side trunk mount hinge.


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Posted by: AZBanks Dec 26 2019, 09:20 PM

It's official, it's NARP!


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Posted by: AZBanks Jan 20 2020, 12:59 AM

We bought this car for my son to drive to school.
He drove it on his own for the first time at the 4till4 Cars and Coffee on Jan 4th. He's been driving it in the neighborhood and running a few short errands on his own over the last couple weeks and he's gone out on a few freeway drives with me in the passenger seat.
A few days ago, he killed it in the middle of a busy intersection with my wife in the passenger seat. That went over well. sad.gif

He will be driving it to school for the first time Tuesday morning.

Mission accomplished!!




Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 20 2020, 03:33 AM

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A few days ago, he killed it in the middle of a busy intersection with my wife in the passenger seat. That went over well.

ya the Mom moment...all good been there done that...congrats.I had a turbo charged Corvair..the only day it got respect is the day the muffler ell off and the hood was open in auto shop...they had no clue... Safe Drives aktion035.gif driving.gif

Posted by: AZBanks Feb 10 2020, 09:11 PM

Dual Coil springs??

Has anyone seen this setup before?

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Posted by: AZBanks Feb 10 2020, 09:30 PM

I am trying to replace all the old, worn out bushings from the shifter to the transmission but I can't find them on the 914rubber website. Does anyone have links for the bushings I need?
It is a 71 that has had a side shifter installed.

Posted by: AZBanks Feb 13 2020, 11:02 PM

Dropped the front.


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