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Posted by: Matty900 Sep 21 2019, 10:13 PM
After The Beer Run we hosted a few weekends ago, this happened. I was taking my friend JP to the airport. He had spent the weekend driving my 72 1.7 and was returning home to Vegas. We had a little time to kill so we stopped off at a coffee shop and he pulled up our local Craigslist to see if there was anything interesting. One of the 1st things he found was an add for a 914 with a V8. He thought it looked like something he may be interested in and the price seemed reasonable if it was half as good as it looked, so we called. There was no answer so I figured it was a fake add and I could start to expect random spam calls in the near future.
I took JP on to the airport and worked my way back to the shop to tuck my car in. Just as I was about to pull the car in, my phone rings. It's the seller from Craigslist and he still has the car.
I call JP and he has just boarded the flight but is still very interested in the car. So I pull the car back out into the pouring rain and make my way up to Vancouver. The weather continues to worsen and as I am pulling into Vancouver, I get a call from my wife that they have just issued a tornado warning for the area (not a normal thing in this part of the country. )
This is a short video of what I found
914-8
https://gopro.com/v/PoOrJrOPGvB8a
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Posted by: Matty900 Sep 21 2019, 10:23 PM
So at this point, I have seen the car, ridden in the car and don't really see anything to really scare me off of it. It does need some real work, but a lot of work has already been done, and this is a running and driving car.
I don't know if JP is going to be up for the work that will need to be done or not but I am pretty confident that the car will be gone if I don't act now. I reach out to a few 914 guys with way more experience than me. Of course, they all tell me the same thing. V8 914? Nooooooo! 
So of course I put a deposit down to hold the car. 
Posted by: RickS Sep 21 2019, 10:50 PM
Purists be damned. That looks like serious fun with acceleration that would make most teener owners cry. Including me.
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 21 2019, 11:14 PM
Purists be damned. That looks like serious fun with acceleration that would make most teener owners cry. Including me.
It is pretty fun.
Posted by: Larmo63 Sep 21 2019, 11:42 PM
That beard is legit.
Buy the car, you only live once.
Posted by: ValcoOscar Sep 21 2019, 11:45 PM
That beard is legit.
Buy the car, you only live once.
Oscar
Posted by: mepstein Sep 22 2019, 05:42 AM
Posted by: draganc Sep 22 2019, 07:30 AM
Nice find! How much is he asking for?
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 22 2019, 10:13 AM
That beard is legit.
Buy the car, you only live once.
So after sharing the video and photos of the car with my buddy. He decided that it was a little more of a project than he wanted to take on.
So, since I already had the deposit down on the car, I went ahead and purchased it myself. Here is a photo hord of the work that was done on the car including the steel flares going on the car. https://photos.app.goo.gl/oi1o1QHS5iTDiWJ18
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 22 2019, 10:23 AM
So I went and picked up the car and started cleaning it up a little. I will be doing some YouTube videos on it as I work on it but here is a quick preview
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zBnbSQstSBNnjF8C7
So far every one who has seen it has been pretty impressed (or kind enough not to spoil my fun)
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Posted by: mepstein Sep 22 2019, 10:25 AM
I like it. Every 914 owner needs an outlaw car.
Posted by: SirAndy Sep 22 2019, 10:27 AM
We all knew that was coming ...
Posted by: ValcoOscar Sep 22 2019, 10:35 AM
Super happy for you Matt.
Congrats 
Can't wait to see it make its maiden voyage to SoCal.
Oscar
Posted by: Chris H. Sep 22 2019, 10:46 AM
Nice find. Sounds really good.
Posted by: tvdinnerbythepool Sep 22 2019, 11:03 AM
Awesome!!
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 22 2019, 01:05 PM
I like it. Every 914 owner needs an outlaw car.
It really has been a journey of discovery for me. I think that the 1.7 will always be my go to car as my 1st build it will always be a special car to me. This is a whole new learning experience.
The previous owner left a lot of projects for me to do.
It's a hell of a lot of fun but kind of a rolling death trap the way it is now.
We will take care of that though.
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 22 2019, 01:07 PM
Super happy for you Matt.
Congrats
Can't wait to see it make its maiden voyage to SoCal.
Oscar
I learned it from watching you Oscar
Posted by: Rand Sep 22 2019, 01:08 PM
It is a thing bro. Every man wants one.
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 22 2019, 01:08 PM
We all knew that was coming ...
Posted by: don-6 Sep 22 2019, 01:21 PM
Very cool Matt! Congrats
Posted by: sb914 Sep 22 2019, 01:34 PM
Congrats ! Looks great and already flared is a huge bonus!
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 22 2019, 01:53 PM
So here's where I need the advice of those that have come before me down this path.
My 1st concerns are for safety. I plan on working with Cary and Super-in-law on the welding and rust repairs but he is out for a month with a hiking trip and then the prep and race of the Nora500 in Baja.
So that gives me some time to learn more so I can come up with a plan.
Here's what I am looking at.
This is a 400+ hp car without any chassis stiffening or roll bars. It has the factory seatbelts. 
Oh and it has the original 901 transmission that has not even had 1st gear locked out.
My plan for the chassis stiffening is to use the Brad Mayeur kit (that we stock, thank you Brad) and the suspension gussets that Cary came up with (that we also stock, thank you Cary) to help handle the torque created by this motor.
I need suggestions on safety. Roll bar' no roll bar...So many options...
I am thinking that at some point I would like to go back to a Porsche motor in this car so maybe a 3.2-3.6 that being the case, I would like to be as tasteful as possible and not just start hacking and welding.
Those are the things I need to start figuring out before Cary gets back.
In the meantime I have other issues that I can start on.
Like the super sketchy wiring job.
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Posted by: 914werke Sep 22 2019, 02:41 PM
I like the alligator clip! 
Posted by: preach Sep 22 2019, 02:56 PM
I like the alligator clip!
Probably in hand from the roach he was smoking when the PO wired it.
Looks like the car will be fun!
Posted by: worn Sep 22 2019, 03:53 PM
I like the alligator clip!
Probably in hand from the roach he was smoking when the PO wired it.
Looks like the car will be fun!
I think it would be worthwhile to map out the electrics as a first step. Have to agree that the alligator clip is too temporary, but just cause it isnt in the original loom doesnt mean it doesn’t serve the builder’s purpose. Yeah, i like my original 2.0, but for driving, i would take the 3.2. You may just get used to what Porsche aircooled wont supply.
As for safety tubes, i aint scared. Brakes are good, tires fair. Maybe bump up the life insurance though. Have fun. Oh, and have to agree with Sir Andy. The title gives it away.
Posted by: mepstein Sep 22 2019, 04:15 PM
You generally don't want a roll bar in a street car. They are for race cars when you wear a helmet. Same with harnesses. The 3 point seat belt is for a street car. The 5 & six point for a race car. But do your research and make an informed decision.
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 22 2019, 06:16 PM
I like the alligator clip!
Probably in hand from the roach he was smoking when the PO wired it.
Looks like the car will be fun!
I think it would be worthwhile to map out the electrics as a first step. Have to agree that the alligator clip is too temporary, but just cause it isnt in the original loom doesnt mean it doesn’t serve the builder’s purpose. Yeah, i like my original 2.0, but for driving, i would take the 3.2. You may just get used to what Porsche aircooled wont supply.
As for safety tubes, i aint scared. Brakes are good, tires fair. Maybe bump up the life insurance though. Have fun. Oh, and have to agree with Sir Andy. The title gives it away.
"Maybe bump up the life insurance though."
Yes, definitely.Looking forward to sorting out all of the wiring. The previous owner went through 4 motors to get to the current configuration. 3 were rotary motors. The last was a twin turbo. It looks like a lot if abandoned wires that need to be removed and then the rest can be properly cleaned up and plugs put on.
Can anyone tell me what he was doing with the alligator clip on the fuse post? Where should that really go? It runs down to the alternator
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Posted by: 914forme Sep 22 2019, 06:45 PM
chassis wise solid plan. Avoid the roll bar, with the Mayer kit it is solid thru the core, get the Egmann kit from mad dog or have Cary build one that runs up the inner racers and get rid of the heater Chanel, and take it all the way back the to the -4 mount. Run across the lower half to tie it all in.
After that if you need more, then weld a roof on.
Only race belts I would run on the street are Schroth with ASM technology. It is a 4 point belt system.
3 points are fine.
Treat the 901 nice and you will be fine for a while, lots of them running around with out issue.
Wiring is definitely sub par.
Other than that, just enjoy the car, it looks like a great driver quality car.
Rust yes get it fixed, but that was a know can of worms.
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 22 2019, 07:08 PM
chassis wise solid plan. Avoid the roll bar, with the Mayer kit it is solid thru the core, get the Egmann kit from mad dog or have Cary build one that runs up the inner racers and get rid of the heater Chanel, and take it all the way back the to the -4 mount. Run across the lower half to tie it all in.
After that if you need more, then weld a roof on.
Only race belts I would run on the street are Schroth with ASM technology. It is a 4 point belt system.
3 points are fine.
Treat the 901 nice and you will be fine for a while, lots of them running around with out issue.
Wiring is definitely sub par.
Other than that, just enjoy the car, it looks like a great driver quality car.
Rust yes get it fixed, but that was a know can of worms.
Thank you Stephen
I have a little radiator leak so I will be pulling it out to get it fixed and then pulling everything out of the front trunk to fix the rust there, mount or relocate the battery (open to suggestions) and then paint the whole front trunk. I will put in a grill over the wheel wells and then tinted some Raptor and paint the main trunk area to protect it. I would love to see V8 front trunk photos for anyone that has them. This is what my drunk looks like now:
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Posted by: Andyrew Sep 22 2019, 08:20 PM
It's a V8 car, sketchy wiring is gonna be par for the game
Seriously though it's a really good looking car!
I wish the iron block V8 conversions made a comeback because done well they are really great driving cars. Torquey like a good type 4 but with 3x the power number.
Posted by: DickSteinkamp Sep 22 2019, 09:35 PM
Oh and it has the original 901 transmission that has not even had 1st gear locked out.
I always use 1st gear in my V8/914 to get the car rolling. Starting in 2nd is awkward and takes some clutch slipping to do it.
I have enough discipline to stay off the loud pedal in low gear.
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 22 2019, 11:11 PM
Oh and it has the original 901 transmission that has not even had 1st gear locked out.
I always use 1st gear in my V8/914 to get the car rolling. Starting in 2nd is awkward and takes some clutch slipping to do it.
I have enough discipline to stay off the loud pedal in low gear.
The first gear is great for traffic or driveways or trailers. Never understood why people just didn't use restraint... I never went over 1/8th throttle in first and it was fantastic.
Posted by: djway Sep 22 2019, 11:40 PM
Listening to your car I suddenly realized my inner caveman was grunting loudly
That thing sounds amazing
Have a blast
Posted by: Gearup Sep 23 2019, 01:32 AM
I called on the car and he sailed it had just sold. It listed quite a few nice options. The fact it has steel flares and looks the way kit does is a huge bonus. Steel flares ain’t cheap to have installed. Congrats
Posted by: burton73 Sep 23 2019, 10:24 AM
I like it. Every 914 owner needs an outlaw car.
These v8 cars are lots of fun. Had my 1st in 1979
Back then it was very rare.
Bob B
Posted by: scottthephotog Sep 23 2019, 11:29 AM
Wow. This car looks super fun. What a great find!
Out of curiosity, why would someone cut the inside fenders in the front trunk like that?
Posted by: DickSteinkamp Sep 23 2019, 11:40 AM
Out of curiosity, why would someone cut the inside fenders in the front trunk like that?
There has to be somewhere for the inlet air to the radiator to exit. The other alternative is to cut the hood.
Posted by: SirAndy Sep 23 2019, 11:59 AM
Well, the removed the voltage regulator from the relay board so maybe some sort of bypass?
Posted by: scottthephotog Sep 23 2019, 01:17 PM
Out of curiosity, why would someone cut the inside fenders in the front trunk like that?
There has to be somewhere for the inlet air to the radiator to exit. The other alternative is to cut the hood.
I didn't even think of that. That makes total sense. Thanks!
Posted by: Chris914n6 Sep 23 2019, 02:53 PM
The only thing you need from the relay board is the fuel pump relay, otherwise all the wires are in the chassis connector.
GM alt has built in regulator, so it just needs a triggered 12v and charge wire to battery/starter.
Back in the day I made the Renegade harness but haven't been able to find my fab diagram. Those used the 914 engine connector and relay board.
I removed my board on the N6 and plugged directly to the chassis connector with a 911 mate. Factory diagrams are plentiful for wire outs.
Now that your Bro makes harnesses we expect your replacement to be top notch 
I'd put the battery back in the stock location. A lot of juice is needed to turn a V8 and cables that long aren't helping.
I kept 1st gear too. It's nice in a parking lot or rush hour stop & go or up the driveway.
Posted by: burton73 Sep 23 2019, 04:13 PM
Looking the pictures over one more time. You have a running car you just need to clean it all up.
I also like the battery in the regular spot for more than one reason. We have no idea what you have for brakes. You need big ventilated brakes. Boxster brakes or vented 911 Carrara brakes.
If you try to lay rubber in this car and that can be fun you will pop CV joints. I know I have done it. Not death put you will not be going anyplace and need a tow back to your shop.
Number one you have to STOP. That will get rid of the death trap mostly. I would try to get light wheels on your car if your wheels are cast not forged Fuchs every bit of unstrung weight you can save will help you out. The ram horn on the exhaust is very close to the same HP as headers so you do not need to waste money there.
Bob B
Posted by: burton73 Sep 23 2019, 04:18 PM
Bob B
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 12:42 AM
Thanks guys for all of the help. I am thinking that the battery needs to go back to the correct location too. It could get interesting because he put an electric heater box in that location. So I will probably relocate that to below the relay board.
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Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 12:45 AM
He did a good job on the brakes. Between that and the huge 17" wheels and tires, it really is a pretty sure footed car
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Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 12:47 AM
This is what it feels like to drive a 400hp 914 after driving the 86hp 1.7
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Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 12:55 AM
I took the car out to a local night meet in downtown Portland last night and then did some shooting after the event. The car is a huge draw and I had great response from everyone. This event is a young crowd and had a Fast and Furious vibe to it. I had someone ask if I would be willing to let them shoot the car for a music video next weekend. Later when I was shooting around town I came across another photographer shooting and let the use the car as a prop for a few shots.
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Posted by: sb914 Sep 24 2019, 05:35 AM
Great shots ! You’re to coolest guy in town now !
Posted by: get off my lawn Sep 24 2019, 01:55 PM
Everyone should own a V8 914 at least once. Especially in the Malibu hills in the rain, with nearly slick tires, and no working defroster. :-)
I never locked out my 1st gear either, it was perfect for creeping up slowly or putting the car in the garage.
I just didn't hit the loud pedal in 1st.
Posted by: ValcoOscar Sep 24 2019, 02:21 PM
Damn...What great shots, you're motivating me more than ever to finish my LSV8 914.
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Oscar
Posted by: JOEPROPER Sep 24 2019, 02:26 PM
Great shots.
Posted by: Moto One Sep 24 2019, 03:46 PM
After driving a C5Z06 for the last 18 year, this looks like just what I need. I'll be shopping for a 914 tub. The idea really came after judging a 914-V8 at the Werks Reunion this year, and the owner lives near me.
Nice (no) great photos.
Mark.
Posted by: Rand Sep 24 2019, 04:43 PM
I never got the first gear lock out either. You need a piece of mechanical gates to tell you that you can't use first gear? Just use your brain instead, and enjoy having the first gear for loading or getting around slow. Your brain can handle starting in 2nd when you want to romp.
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 06:00 PM
I never got the first gear lock out either. You need a piece of mechanical gates to tell you that you can't use first gear? Just use your brain instead, and enjoy having the first gear for loading or getting around slow. Your brain can handle starting in 2nd when you want to romp.
I hear you. Makes sense. Just need to remind the wife to stay away from 1st.
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 06:02 PM
Damn...What great shots, you're motivating me more than ever to finish my LSV8 914.
Oscar
With your skills I expect that you will have on the road by the end of next weekend
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 06:07 PM
Thank you guys for compliments on the photos. If you want to see more of my work you can see it on Instagram https://z-p3.www.instagram.com/914rubber/
It's all 914 content an you may even be on there.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Sep 24 2019, 06:18 PM
Baller 914 4-sure 
Posted by: ndfrigi Sep 24 2019, 07:21 PM
Thank you guys for compliments on the photos. If you want to see more of my work you can see it on Instagram https://z-p3.www.instagram.com/914rubber/
It's all 914 content an you may even be on there.
Congrats Matt on ur newly acquired 914-8! Beautiful just how it is now!
Thanks also for sharing your instagram account with so much beautiful 914 pics!
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 08:17 PM
Baller 914 4-sure
This one?
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Posted by: mepstein Sep 24 2019, 08:24 PM
Just need to lose all the bolt on crap.
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 08:30 PM
Just need to lose all the bolt on crap.
Posted by: marksteinhilber Sep 24 2019, 09:42 PM
Well, the removed the voltage regulator from the relay board so maybe some sort of bypass?
Voltage regulator is in the gm alternator. If it runs keep wiring the same, just improve the connections and make it look nice!
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 10:17 PM
Well, the removed the voltage regulator from the relay board so maybe some sort of bypass?
Voltage regulator is in the gm alternator. If it runs keep wiring the same, just improve the connections and make it look nice!
Thank you
I am a little concerned that the water pump and of course the fans on the radiator are electric. With the alternator just hanging down there with no splash guard incase of weather. Any suggestions?
Posted by: falcor75 Sep 24 2019, 10:29 PM
I've never been into V8 swaps, maybe because most of those I've seen has been paired with questionable 80's body modifications. BUT THIS ! Oh hell Yes !
Suddenly my little 160hp martini narrowbody feels a little weak....perhaps I should.....dammit Matty !
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 24 2019, 11:29 PM
I've never been into V8 swaps, maybe because most of those I've seen has been paired with questionable 80's body modifications. BUT THIS ! Oh hell Yes !
Suddenly my little 160hp martini narrowbody feels a little weak....perhaps I should.....dammit Matty !
Don't do it!! Your car is awesome. If you want to do another car, then Hell yes brother, join the club. It's a lot of fun
Plus it's been just long enough that your probably itching for another build like I am.
Posted by: falcor75 Sep 25 2019, 12:17 AM
I've never been into V8 swaps, maybe because most of those I've seen has been paired with questionable 80's body modifications. BUT THIS ! Oh hell Yes !
Suddenly my little 160hp martini narrowbody feels a little weak....perhaps I should.....dammit Matty !
Don't do it!! Your car is awesome. If you want to do another car, then Hell yes brother, join the club. It's a lot of fun
Plus it's been just long enough that your probably itching for another build like I am.Yes I know its a little too nice to cut up and finding another body over here is quite tricky.
I've already got another build going. My son and I started building a Lotus super seven replica this spring. He gets to start taking driving lessons in 2½ years so it needs to be finished by then.
I've got two posts on my webpage here about it: http://matsgarage.com/?p=1386
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 25 2019, 01:08 AM
I've never been into V8 swaps, maybe because most of those I've seen has been paired with questionable 80's body modifications. BUT THIS ! Oh hell Yes !
Suddenly my little 160hp martini narrowbody feels a little weak....perhaps I should.....dammit Matty !
Don't do it!! Your car is awesome. If you want to do another car, then Hell yes brother, join the club. It's a lot of fun
Plus it's been just long enough that your probably itching for another build like I am.Yes I know its a little too nice to cut up and finding another body over here is quite tricky.
I've already got another build going. My son and I started building a Lotus super seven replica this spring. He gets to start taking driving lessons in 2½ years so it needs to be finished by then.
I've got two posts on my webpage here about it: http://matsgarage.com/?p=1386
That's awesome Make sure your posting som progress photos on Instagram so I will remember to check your progress thread. That looks like it will be a lot of fun
Posted by: dakotaewing Sep 25 2019, 09:50 PM
Thanks guys for all of the help. I am thinking that the battery needs to go back to the correct location too. It could get interesting because he put an electric heater box in that location. So I will probably relocate that to below the relay board.
Matt,
Looking at the pic it looks like it has water running through that box? If so, please take lots of pics if you relocate it to give the rest of us ideas on how that was set up!
Posted by: a9146luvr Sep 25 2019, 10:25 PM
This is what it feels like to drive a 400hp 914 after driving the 86hp 1.7
I don't see any gas stations!
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 26 2019, 01:17 AM
I will document the move of the heater box when the time comes. 
Gas stations- yes it does like to visit them.
So I am looking at the wiring diagram of the relay board and where he hooked up the sweet "connection" with his roach clip
And I am trying to figure out if I can put that in the plug on the board. If so, would it be on the 97 pin or the 9 pin?
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Posted by: DickSteinkamp Sep 26 2019, 08:53 AM
What is that roach clip/red wire powering?
Posted by: Chris914n6 Sep 26 2019, 11:47 AM
You squiggled the wrong side of the fuse. It's switched 12v and it should turn 'on' the alt >> charges when turning. That circuit turns on the relays.
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 26 2019, 11:50 AM
What is that roach clip/red wire powering?
I will have to look a little closer. I thought it was exciting the alternator
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Posted by: DickSteinkamp Sep 26 2019, 12:13 PM
I've done a lot of motor switches. This was my first with a Porsche, however. I always try to make my engine transplants look like the car came that way from the factory (as much as possible). This forum has been a huge help in that regard in all areas including wiring. All the wiring changes below are prior posts by others on the forum.
Here is my standard 3 wire GM/Delco alternator...
The wire indicated by the yellow arrow goes directly to the + terminal of the battery.
The wire indicated by the green arrow loops back to the same terminal as the yellow arrow wire. This is the sensor wire to tell the regulator how much to charge depending on the battery condition and load.
The wire indicated by the white arrow turns the "idiot light" on and off and goes to the relay panel in the engine compartment.
Here's my relay panel...
The white star is the power relay. The yellow star is the fuel pump relay. Both of these need to be in place.
The wire indicated by the white arrow goes to ground. This wire "fools" the system into thinking there is a stock ECU in place and allows you to hook up a low pressure fuel pump for the carb in the same spot and with the same wires as the stock high pressure fuel pump.
The wire indicated by the orange arrow is the wire indicated by the white arrow from the alternator. It is the one that turns the idiot light on and off. It hooks to the terminal shown that the voltage regulator used to plug into (now no longer needed since the alternator is internally regulated).
The wire indicated by the yellow arrow is attached to a switched, non fused, 12V terminal on the relay panel. I am running my electric choke from this terminal.
Other than power to my fans on the radiator in the frunk, I believe these are the only wiring changes I had to make in order to install the V8. (well, there is the rev limiter and the TachAdapt, but those are easy ones)
Posted by: PatrickB Sep 26 2019, 02:54 PM
I've done a lot of motor switches. This was my first with a Porsche, however. I always try to make my engine transplants look like the car came that way from the factory (as much as possible). This forum has been a huge help in that regard in all areas including wiring. All the wiring changes below are prior posts by others on the forum.
Here is my standard 3 wire GM/Delco alternator...
The wire indicated by the yellow arrow goes directly to the + terminal of the battery.
The wire indicated by the green arrow loops back to the same terminal as the yellow arrow wire. This is the sensor wire to tell the regulator how much to charge depending on the battery condition and load.
The wire indicated by the white arrow turns the "idiot light" on and off and goes to the relay panel in the engine compartment.
Here's my relay panel...
The white star is the power relay. The yellow star is the fuel pump relay. Both of these need to be in place.
The wire indicated by the white arrow goes to ground. This wire "fools" the system into thinking there is a stock ECU in place and allows you to hook up a low pressure fuel pump for the carb in the same spot and with the same wires as the stock high pressure fuel pump.
The wire indicated by the orange arrow is the wire indicated by the white arrow from the alternator. It is the one that turns the idiot light on and off. It hooks to the terminal shown that the voltage regulator used to plug into (now no longer needed since the alternator is internally regulated).
The wire indicated by the white arrow is attached to a switched, non fused, 12V terminal on the relay panel. I am running my electric choke from this terminal.
Other than power to my fans on the radiator in the frunk, I believe these are the only wiring changes I had to make in order to install the V8. (well, there is the rev limiter and the TachAdapt, but those are easy ones)
Nice! beat me to it. Delco 10si alternator is easy to wire if you understand them. same system I used putting that alternator on my tractor, an antique road grader, etc.
It's also available as a one wire alternator by changing the internal voltage regulator. Any starter/alternator shop will set you up either way and sell you that nice GM plug to work with.
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 27 2019, 05:52 PM
Awesome guys Thank you so much. This is what I was looking for. I won't be able to work on it until next week but I am sure that I will run into more questions with this project.
Looking forward to putting in some of our new solid State relays. Once Mark is done with them, I will get you guys some. 
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Posted by: Matty900 Oct 11 2019, 10:24 PM
So I took the car out for a few fall photos today and I have a pretty good leak in the Radiator. It has already been repaired at least once. Looking for recommendations. Repair it again or just replace it. If so, what do you recommend for a replacement radiator?
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Posted by: jimkelly Oct 12 2019, 07:53 AM
love the engine bay pic 
especially the iron manifold and cool distributor.
why the spacer under the carb?
Posted by: boxstr Oct 12 2019, 08:10 AM
Matt if your radiator is leaking I would think about replacing it with one from Rengade.
I think it’s from Ron Davis. You can buy directly from him.
Craig at V8914
Posted by: DickSteinkamp Oct 12 2019, 08:24 AM
love the engine bay pic
especially the iron manifold and cool distributor.why the spacer under the carb?
Thanks.
The dizzy is a marine Mallory dual point. I am using it because it fits without cutting the front of the rear trunk like you have to do with any other distributor I know of.
The wedge spacer under the carb is to get the right angle on the carb so the floats can be set correctly. The engine sits flatter than it did in the front engine car it came out of.
Posted by: jimkelly Oct 12 2019, 10:31 AM
i see now that that spacer is angled.
wow your attention to detail is fun-nominal
Posted by: DickSteinkamp Oct 12 2019, 11:15 AM
i see now that that spacer is angled.
wow your attention to detail is fun-nominal
The devil is always in the details
Posted by: burton73 Oct 12 2019, 12:20 PM
Matt if your radiator is leaking I would think about replacing it with one from Rengade.
I think it’s from Ron Davis. You can buy directly from him.
Craig at V8914
Bob B
Posted by: Matty900 Oct 12 2019, 01:25 PM
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The dizzy is a marine Mallory dual point. I am using it because it fits without cutting the front of the rear trunk like you have to do with any other distributor I know of.
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I love that. I would like to repair the trunk and clean up the msd too.
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Thanks.
The dizzy is a marine Mallory dual point. I am using it because it fits without cutting the front of the rear trunk like you have to do with any other distributor I know of.
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I love that. I would like to repair the trunk and clean up the msd too.
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I've seen some nice "dog houses" that cover the dizzy and seal off the rear trunk, and designed so the targa top will still go where it is supposed to go (when the sun comes out unexpectedly here in the PNW ).
It would also be great to mount your MSD coil and control box so that they don't interfere with targa top storage and the stock place for your jack. I would think both could go in the engine compartment perhaps on the engine side of the rear trunk panel. That's where I mounted my coil. The downside would be that you may have to remove the engine/trans to do it and they might be difficult to service if necessary.
What is the hole for on the right side of the front wall of the trunk?
Here's mine...
Posted by: burton73 Oct 12 2019, 03:30 PM
There are a couple of small distributors that fit in.
I made a cover to help in any tuning that my car may need. I got the metal for both the distributor cover and the section of trunk so my flipped 930 with hydraulic clutch would fit in. (thanks Bruce Stone)
Bob B
Posted by: DickSteinkamp Oct 12 2019, 06:05 PM
There are a couple of small distributors that fit in.
Bob,
My marine Mallory is mechanical advance only. I'd love to have one that also has vacuum advance. What are the others that will fit without cutting the front of the trunk?
Thanks.
Posted by: FL 000 Oct 13 2019, 01:02 PM
So I took the car out for a few fall photos today and I have a pretty good leak in the Radiator. It has already been repaired at least once. Looking for recommendations. Repair it again or just replace it. If so, what do you recommend for a replacement radiator?
Probably easiest to replace it with same type for fitment.
If you have a renegade radiator, good luck trying to buy direct from Ron Davis; I was unable to. I just replaced mine earlier this summer. The box it was shipped in said CMB (something like that and I can double check if interested).
Your car looks awesome!
Posted by: sb914 Oct 13 2019, 01:57 PM
Renegade don’t use Ron Davis no more. Renegade gets then from these guys .
So I went to them and eliminated the middle man . 
Posted by: burton73 Oct 13 2019, 03:40 PM
There are a couple of small distributors that fit in.
Bob,
My marine Mallory is mechanical advance only. I'd love to have one that also has vacuum advance. What are the others that will fit without cutting the front of the trunk?
Thanks.
Go to Summit on line or and HP shop and look or call. Ask for a small base distributor. I went through it with my Corvette Eng. I had this very problem and asked them. My 1st 914-8 had a 283 in it. Small distributor. They make everything. Dick, your engine and car looks clean as they come. I was told Rod Simpson at Simpson Hybrids 12 years that the ram horn manifold made close to the same HP as headers. Marty may have something on that but it does look clean.
Bob B
Posted by: jimkelly Oct 13 2019, 05:10 PM
iron manifold performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe9ke0rQlT8
Posted by: DickSteinkamp Oct 13 2019, 05:11 PM
Go to Summit on line or and HP shop and look or call. Ask for a small base distributor. I went through it with my Corvette Eng. I had this very problem and asked them. My 1st 914-8 had a 283 in it. Small distributor. They make everything. Dick, your engine and car looks clean as they come. I was told Rod Simpson at Simpson Hybrids 12 years that the ram horn manifold made close to the same HP as headers. Marty may have something on that but it does look clean.
Bob B
Thanks, Bob...but I called Summit (and Jegs) and talked to their reps about the lowest dizzy they had...manifold to top of cap. I ordered a few from Summit that looked close and no go. In my application I need something with a crab cap at a minimum. It could be my engine is in a slightly different position than yours with the 283. The mechanical advance only dizzy works just fine and I can dial in total advance and when it comes in so that's a plus. I would probably get a few more MPG with a vacuum advance at steady state freeway cruise (I get 20 now) and it may run cooler with the vacuum although that doesn't seem to be a problem (yet
)With the exhaust manifolds, I wasn't looking for any more HP with a narrow body and little tires. I wanted it to plumb easy (no bundle of snakes) and look decent. Notice I have a single exhaust also. 2 1/4" to the Y and 2 1/2" after that through the muffler. Keeps things simple. (the rear bar is back on now)
Posted by: 914GT Oct 13 2019, 05:17 PM
There are a couple of small distributors that fit in.
Bob,
My marine Mallory is mechanical advance only. I'd love to have one that also has vacuum advance. What are the others that will fit without cutting the front of the trunk?
Thanks.
The only small distributor I know of with a vacuum advance is the one I’m using, an Accel A71100E. It easily will clear the front trunk panel but you would still need to drop the engine for removal. Unfortunately Accel (bought out by MSD) discontinued the 71000 line of distributors. Maybe because the internal electronic module had reliability problems. But I use it with an MSD box with the magnetic pickup and that works great. The distributor body is billet aluminum and good quality. Eventually I’ll have to replace it as the cap and rotor are out of stock at the suppliers I’ve searched. I ordered a small distributor from Summit a couple years ago and the size of the body was fine but it was way too tall, would not fit under the engine lid. Had to send it back. Hopefully I can get a few more years out of the Accel before the cap and rotor wear out. I tried a GM style HEI unit for awhile and hated it, it was huge compared to the Accel. Maybe the ignition systems with coil packs will be an affordable future option.
Posted by: dakotaewing Oct 13 2019, 07:24 PM
In regard to the radiator you can also look at the Toyota Celica GT units with the fan and shrouds listed on ebay.
These will be Chinese made, and maybe a slightly different fit,
but many folks here have used them with success.
Posted by: djway Oct 13 2019, 11:56 PM
In regard to the radiator you can also look at the Toyota Celica GT units with the fan and shrouds listed on ebay.
These will be Chinese made, and maybe a slightly different fit,
but many folks here have used them with success.
Any particular year?
How much motor can they handle?
Posted by: jimkelly Oct 14 2019, 09:24 AM
dick, got any video of your car running with that exhaust? how quiet is it? looks real nice.
seems to sit a tiny bit lower than oil pan?
Posted by: dakotaewing Oct 14 2019, 09:26 AM
I'll be using this for my LS conversion.
I'll additionally be running a 25 to 30 row oil cooler.
Others have used this for various conversions as well.
Here is a current link - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Radiator-Shroud-Fan-for-Toyota-Celica-GT-GTS-1ZZ-FE-2ZZ-GE-T230-T231-MT/254224211209?fits=Model%3ACelica%7CSubmodel%3AGT&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item3b30f19d09:g:tDYAAOSw4nRc0o1N&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qVL7ZESipsBDnyPSgYDmku1SnAgFF05NKFvNntqETvJDZz9nwCncW%2FoP3wQ3b2LhbAQ4NNpLfvFn5hwXYUfYuEOlTyqpQRtbQCjjamOdgBDT%2FRJ1a7fjSIEfB63ZRT3o5%2Bl8zFau5JAdqeFnW8nTV%2BDazoNlgWj%2FHvqTFLnJBs1wBaoRCW6thH49OKeJ1Wv0YA58pGFPiLOnMwdtTdoXi%2BD1%2FaM81yFlrW5Y6GjobzJtZsl2rfHxN2QTGlNov1c%2B0OBJuzLOkAPYK5gXPJGvrL2n7w%2FcygtmcsC1%2Fex8xAH2iiT6E0w1LrfGUwW%2FwLyj1YYgAVcdzniwzcOD2qEpFo1%2FMwF1UtA9K57xp5%2FhyyZS%2BsqVvzJq5scMCKzjwFCu5diMYEVgSM%2BdrBRP3eFL53lBzQWi4RKn79O3kR3GHKF1j54%2BPVGOiVReDVpBns3GabN9fH%2BsGGZOIybb02X%2FCyuRqE5M%2FO5C6Asydw5aK7k3neWnSt5duWpcfz735WnEO9bVRllQGqCTaNTGWv4RS3YJMDZ%2BPc8ypkyA00RWTjNA5UhtkL4o7aREcvO7tVFoLYyn3aOKCyVj4hVq%2Bc7uDyLLIUZRLgSWfxKx33OSHxg% 2FqQ9aANxa3DoEwJPOcGOJniA4IOkSHrFb15xEevUbpA70X0qHI8q59jmmKV6xMkWpoCdEYRh48nnTuK
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Posted by: djway Oct 14 2019, 02:45 PM
I'll be using this for my LS conversion.
I'll additionally be running a 25 to 30 row oil cooler.
Others have used this for various conversions as well.
Here is a current link - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Radiator-Shroud-Fan-for-Toyota-Celica-GT-GTS-1ZZ-FE-2ZZ-GE-T230-T231-MT/254224211209?fits=Model%3ACelica%7CSubmodel%3AGT&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item3b30f19d09:g:tDYAAOSw4nRc0o1N&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qVL7ZESipsBDnyPSgYDmku1SnAgFF05NKFvNntqETvJDZz9nwCncW%2FoP3wQ3b2LhbAQ4NNpLfvFn5hwXYUfYuEOlTyqpQRtbQCjjamOdgBDT%2FRJ1a7fjSIEfB63ZRT3o5%2Bl8zFau5JAdqeFnW8nTV%2BDazoNlgWj%2FHvqTFLnJBs1wBaoRCW6thH49OKeJ1Wv0YA58pGFPiLOnMwdtTdoXi%2BD1%2FaM81yFlrW5Y6GjobzJtZsl2rfHxN2QTGlNov1c%2B0OBJuzLOkAPYK5gXPJGvrL2n7w%2FcygtmcsC1%2Fex8xAH2iiT6E0w1LrfGUwW%2FwLyj1YYgAVcdzniwzcOD2qEpFo1%2FMwF1UtA9K57xp5%2FhyyZS%2BsqVvzJq5scMCKzjwFCu5diMYEVgSM%2BdrBRP3eFL53lBzQWi4RKn79O3kR3GHKF1j54%2BPVGOiVReDVpBns3GabN9fH%2BsGGZOIybb02X%2FCyuRqE5M%2FO5C6Asydw5aK7k3neWnSt5duWpcfz735WnEO9bVRllQGqCTaNTGWv4RS3YJMDZ%2BPc8ypkyA00RWTjNA5UhtkL4o7aREcvO7tVFoLYyn3aOKCyVj4hVq%2Bc7uDyLLIUZRLgSWfxKx33OSHxg% 2FqQ9aANxa3DoEwJPOcGOJniA4IOkSHrFb15xEevUbpA70X0qHI8q59jmmKV6xMkWpoCdEYRh48nnTuK
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Thanks, I am also collecting parts to do an LS conversion.
Posted by: DickSteinkamp Oct 14 2019, 06:48 PM
dick, got any video of your car running with that exhaust? how quiet is it? looks real nice.
seems to sit a tiny bit lower than oil pan?
The exhaust crossover is about an inch below the pan sump and just under the engine support crossmember. It is the lowest part of the car. I have 1,000+ miles on the car now and have not bottomed on anything. No need to go cross ways over speed bumps. The car is low...but not too low (my grandson would argue with that
)
The exhaust system is all mandrel bent stainless. The muffler is a stainless Magnaflow that I think was made for a truck. I wanted the muffler shop to make the car quiet, but not like a Chevy 6 through a pinched tailpipe. I drive my collector cars. I didn't want it to drone in my ears on the freeway. When you get on the loud pedal it makes all kinds of good noises, but around town you know it's a V8 but it's not obnoxious.
Here's a short video of the sound...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDZyWLuRdY&feature=youtu.be
Posted by: burton73 Oct 16 2019, 03:13 PM
Your car is killing me with memories.
Love it Dick,
Great job done on it... Clean and nice
Bob B
Posted by: 914forme Oct 16 2019, 05:03 PM
http://www.sdsefi.com/cpi.htm and others make a simple coil pack ignition that runs off magnetic trigger that would solve your issue, just need to have a plug for the dizzy hole and gets ride of that Mallory box also. SDS only does a 4 or 6 cylinder model.
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1604-how-to-convert-a-crank-trigger-ignition
Posted by: dan10101 Oct 20 2019, 09:22 PM
I just had dinner with the cousin of the guy who sold you #88. It's a small 914World.
Sounds like a fun time is gonna happen!
Posted by: Matty900 Aug 16 2020, 11:55 AM
http://www.sdsefi.com/cpi.htm and others make a simple coil pack ignition that runs off magnetic trigger that would solve your issue, just need to have a plug for the dizzy hole and gets ride of that Mallory box also. SDS only does a 4 or 6 cylinder model.
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1604-how-to-convert-a-crank-trigger-ignition
Thank you.
This is what I will be going with https://www.holley.com/products/ignition/ignition_boxes/distributorless/parts/601513
And a super Sniper EFI
Posted by: Matty900 Aug 16 2020, 12:06 PM
so I guess I need to turn this into a build thread. As usual I can't really help myself and I get the "while you in there" thoughts and down the rabbit hole I go.
We have been busy with this car and I need to add the progress pictures to this thread but here's the quick versions. It has become a full restoration with lots of upgrades. The thought is to do everything right so eventually I can convert it over to a 3.2 twin plug and hold all the power I want. In the meantime I want to have a Bad Ass V8 car to play with.
Here are a few videos to give you an idea of what's been going on with the car
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B_gchMBFV6k/?igshid=137qz0rw046te
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBRLTGclfNA/?igshid=17eidhuy23gcb
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCfh14MlAh-/?igshid=2a4lchavhxu
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CDCaqhgFlZc/?igshid=1gfpmvc0ggtrg
Since all of that we pulled the car from the body shop, pulled the motor and fixed the Hell hole.
Going to spend tge rest of this hot day stripping the rest of the engine bay
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Posted by: FL 000 Aug 18 2020, 08:33 PM
http://www.sdsefi.com/cpi.htm and others make a simple coil pack ignition that runs off magnetic trigger that would solve your issue, just need to have a plug for the dizzy hole and gets ride of that Mallory box also. SDS only does a 4 or 6 cylinder model.
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1604-how-to-convert-a-crank-trigger-ignition
Thank you.
This is what I will be going with https://www.holley.com/products/ignition/ignition_boxes/distributorless/parts/601513
And a super Sniper EFI
This is going to be a nice setup. I am leaning towards the Holley Super Sniper also, but not sure I will l ditch the distributor. I'll be watching this for sure.
Posted by: Matty900 Aug 20 2020, 08:58 AM
http://www.sdsefi.com/cpi.htm and others make a simple coil pack ignition that runs off magnetic trigger that would solve your issue, just need to have a plug for the dizzy hole and gets ride of that Mallory box also. SDS only does a 4 or 6 cylinder model.
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1604-how-to-convert-a-crank-trigger-ignition
Thank you.
This is what I will be going with https://www.holley.com/products/ignition/ignition_boxes/distributorless/parts/601513
And a super Sniper EFI
This is going to be a nice setup. I am leaning towards the Holley Super Sniper also, but not sure I will l ditch the distributor. I'll be watching this for sure.
It's a balance because at a certain point the cost of all of this stuff adds up to an LS motor that has fuel injection and does not need the cut out for the dizzy
Posted by: 914forme Aug 21 2020, 02:08 PM
But then your adding a bit more because you will want the Audi 6 speed out of a Euro Diesel for those taller gears.
Slippery slope
Posted by: 914forme Sep 3 2020, 05:03 PM
Any idea who makes this front Valance?
I need one.
Posted by: Chris H. Sep 4 2020, 09:12 AM
Looks like the Renegade Hybrids valance:
http://www.renegadehybrids.com/914/Customers/Sally/Pic11.jpg
Still the same price after all these years.
Posted by: Chris H. Sep 4 2020, 09:13 AM
Double post.
Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 4 2020, 11:26 AM
Any idea who makes this front Valance?
I need one.
Pretty sure we have that mold too
Posted by: Matty900 Oct 22 2020, 09:31 AM
It has been a very Busy few months since I posted last. I ended up getting the engine Bay all cleaned up and then Cary welded up the trunk to remove the dizzy cut out. I got the car back over to the paint shop. With the Carbon fiber hood and trunk but the painter talked me into painting the original steel hood and trunk with the paint that is mixed for the spray and possibly coming back and doing the Carbon fiber ones later. He was not comfortable with how much they flex and was worried about cutting and buffing them. Since they are a collision shop he didn't have any experience on this type of part and it scared him a little.
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Posted by: Matty900 Oct 22 2020, 09:48 AM
As I am working on this V8 build I get connected with someone else who has a V8 914 that he is working on (Thank you Glenn Cordell for the introduction)
As with many of you who have met me, this is another brother from another mother that I didn't know I had until the cars brought us together. Sung Kang from the Fast and the Furious movies is a real car guy and really wants to learn and understand them. He plans on doing some really cool things with them but his 1st car is a rust free example that just happened to have been swapped with a 327 Chevy. I went down to visit him a few months ago when I was down for the Carona Rally. I invited him along to come meet the community and really understand that the 914 World community is what makes these cars so special too.
Since he really wanted to study the car and "learn it's ethos" I expressed that I thought that he should probably start with a 1.7 and work his way up from there. I offered to loan him my car for as long as he wanted it to get that feeling and better understand what Porsche designed before going the the hot rod side. He accepted and I brought my car down to him
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Posted by: Matty900 Oct 22 2020, 10:12 AM
About a month or so I get a call from my friend JP in Vegas telling me that it's an 120 degrees there and he wants to get out of down. He needs to go up to Seattle and is planning on driving up the coast. I then get a call from Sung telling me that he has purchased another 914 to work on and doesn't need my car any longer. So the stars line up and I fly down to pick up my car and drive back with JP. Only now that it's been a month and I have had too much time to think about the motor options for the car in this build thread, am now thinking an LS swap is probably the best way to go. During this time I also find a classified on 914 World from @speedmetalarmy Greg who has a Boxter S transmission and everything I will need to go with it for an LS.
I need to get this about the same time so the general idea is to drive the 914 back to Portland and then grab my truck and go get it. One small issue, Greg is across the border in Canada.
As we are driving up through California and I am really enjoying the 914. I get a wild hair and think, wouldn't it be fun to just take the 914 the whole way? So I stop by the house pull out the passenger seat and grab my passport. I head North, not really knowing for sure if I can get across the boarder or not. According to the internet It is open for "Trade" I am trading $ for parts so hopefully this will work.
I get the the border and give the guard my 914 Rubber business card and tell him what I want to do. There is literally no one else crossing the border, just some dumb old American in a 914 that wants to come in and get a Transmission in this little tiny car He asks where am I going, I show him my directions on my phone. He says you're going to get it and cross right back over? Yes, I promise. I still need to go back home to Oregon.
He takes pity on my dumb ass and let's me in.
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Posted by: Matty900 Oct 22 2020, 10:24 AM
So now I have some of the parts that I will need for the LS swap but I don't really have the knowledge to know what to choose and what all I will need to go with it. Once again my friend JP in Vegas has an event coming up and wants me to come down. Vegas Autofest is one of the only car events in the country to actually happen. I wanted to learn more from Renegade Hybrids anyway so set some time up with @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=1580 to come and visit.
Travis is Awesome and walks me through all of the options. I recorded all of this so I have it for reference and will edit it to share with you guys if your interested.
While we are there they have a very nice one for sale with a 350 SBC that they are selling for a customer. We decided to film it early the next morning and got this shot.
If anyone is looking for a completed car. This one is very nice and well sorted out.
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Posted by: Matty900 Oct 22 2020, 10:39 AM
A few weeks later I get a call from another friend in Vegas about a 914 racecar. Now I need another car like I need a hole in the head at this point. However it would be cool to have a car to actually do some Research and Development for the Sharidan Racing molds so it's kind of interesting. My buddy says they are willing to go take a look at it. I figured no harm in looking at it. They go over and do a video call with me. The car actually runs and drives and sounds incredibly healthy. Duane tells me that the cost of the motor alone is double the cost of what they guy wants to sell it to me for.
So I give they guy a deposit and send over Chris Prim to do a compression check and look it over. He gives it the thumbs up and now I have to get down and pick it up. Since I am going there anyway. I decided to take all of my recently acquired Boxter S transmission and parts and bring it to Renegade so they can help me get everything setup for a bolt in option. (Hit the Easy button) this will allow me to focus on getting the rest of the car restored and back together if I have any chance of getting this car done by April to drive from Oregon to North Carolina for Luftgekühlt.
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Posted by: Andyrew Oct 22 2020, 11:25 AM
That's a killer car! Is there a title? It would be fun to see that thing on the streets
Posted by: DRPHIL914 Oct 23 2020, 06:04 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=18454
thats some crazy road trippin' there up and down the coast! sounds like some fun projects that you have in the works in the coming year. Which care are you taking to Lufte? thats a LONG drive to NC from Oregon! now that its scheduled again in April i will have to think long and hard about it, not sure if i am going to Amelia this year or not, but there are so many cool cars there too and if Werks Reunion is on then i guess i will go, but ive never been to Luftegekuhlt so going to try and make that happen, would be great to see you guys again. this race car is a crazy beast always nice when you can write off a toy like that as a business expense, right!?! in the name of research! looking forward to seeing those CF parts too.
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 23 2020, 07:44 AM
Actually the cars are not part of the business. Sure some events we can sponsor and write off, but Matt’s got the bug.
Even tried to talk him out of the race car.
Although, I do recall telling my wife it’s not hoarding if it says Porsche on it.
Oh crap ....... maybe I have a problem too
Posted by: FL 000 Oct 23 2020, 10:27 AM
Sounds like you have been busy! Go big or go home
Posted by: djway Oct 23 2020, 09:27 PM
I saw that listed on DeadClutch. Seems like there would be lots of flex in the rear with no support to rear trans mount/sway bar mount. But you are just buying the motor 
Posted by: Matty900 Oct 24 2020, 12:19 AM
That's a killer car! Is there a title? It would be fun to see that thing on the streets
Yes there is a title, but it is a well thought out race car so it would be a shame to abandon all of that work without at least having some fun on the track with it first. This is my longest "drive" with it so far https://www.instagram.com/p/CGs7APvlk1U/?igshid=uhn9wplbfevb
That thing just wants to rip. Can't wait to get to the point where I can drive it
Posted by: Matty900 Oct 24 2020, 12:27 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=18454
thats some crazy road trippin' there up and down the coast! sounds like some fun projects that you have in the works in the coming year. Which care are you taking to Lufte? thats a LONG drive to NC from Oregon! now that its scheduled again in April i will have to think long and hard about it, not sure if i am going to Amelia this year or not, but there are so many cool cars there too and if Werks Reunion is on then i guess i will go, but ive never been to Luftegekuhlt so going to try and make that happen, would be great to see you guys again. this race car is a crazy beast always nice when you can write off a toy like that as a business expense, right!?! in the name of research! looking forward to seeing those CF parts too.
Not sure if anything is officially set but I am going to to act as if it is so I can push for it. The race car is out of my pocket not the company (we would actually have to get paid for that to happen) I just believe that if we are going to make the best parts we can for a race car, we need to have a race car. Plus the price was really too good to pass up.
Posted by: Matty900 Oct 24 2020, 12:30 AM
Actually the cars are not part of the business. Sure some events we can sponsor and write off, but Matt’s got the bug.
Even tried to talk him out of the race car.
Although, I do recall telling my wife it’s not hoarding if it says Porsche on it.
Oh crap ....... maybe I have a problem too
I feel like is saw this in a Just Say No commercial when we were growing up.
"I learned it from watching you!" Mark
Except my wife knows about all of my cars
Posted by: Matty900 Oct 24 2020, 12:33 AM
Sounds like you have been busy! Go big or go home
Big will be the LS in the Orange car
Posted by: Matty900 Oct 24 2020, 12:38 AM
I saw that listed on DeadClutch. Seems like there would be lots of flex in the rear with no support to rear trans mount/sway bar mount. But you are just buying the motor
Seller did not really do a great job trying to sell that car.
What if the add looked something like this
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGlwSldl-Fi/?igshid=do2ss9xnmlfr
Actually seems pretty stiff in my limited drive so far https://www.instagram.com/p/CGs7APvlk1U/?igshid=uhn9wplbfevb
Yes the price for the motor and transmission was cheap and it came wrapped up in a car that actually runs and drives (just not very far if I don't want to burn it to the ground with dried up fuel lines and gaskets on the carbs. At least it sat with race gas and not ethanol
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