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Posted by: gereed75 Sep 25 2019, 06:48 AM
Rebuilding an early folding e brake handle. I think it has been posted but searched and could not find it
Has Someone reproduced that Long spring rod with the pawl on it. And how about that elusive spring that is not shown in the PET that pushes up the ratchet cam (16 in the PEt drawing)
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-13069-1484862641.jpg
Anybody know where to get it? Thanks
Posted by: 914Sixer Sep 25 2019, 07:28 AM
Check with URO or JP Dansk parts. They are reproducing parts. Do a search, at one point I found a complete list of all the Dansk parts. I think there is one for URO too. Maybe URO parts man will chime in.
Posted by: ChrisFoley Sep 25 2019, 08:10 AM
Automobile Atlanta has new spring rods in stock.
I make a repair kit that keeps the pawl properly located without requiring disassembly to replace the broken rod. I had a thread to gauge interest in a group buy a couple years ago before George announced a fresh supply of the proper replacement part. Its not on my website but I have made a few of them.
Posted by: gereed75 Sep 25 2019, 08:47 AM
Thanks guys. Have two folding levers of variable completeness. Let me get them apart, spend some more time with the Pet and get back to the board
Posted by: Matty900 Sep 25 2019, 09:10 AM
I think this is the spring you are talking about https://900designs-container.zoeysite.com/parking-brake-spring-1
Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 25 2019, 09:33 AM
No, It's actually the one on the end of the rod.
Posted by: gereed75 Sep 25 2019, 07:18 PM
OK Here is the best I can tell:
The push rod #3 releases the pawl #5 that engages the Locking Segment #16
A complete #3 Push rod I have Yeaa!!
The #5 pawl I have, but the #16 locking segment is gone from both of my lever assemblies. But I think it is available from Asse Bros (and maybe AA) and looks like the third pix
how this Locking Segment fits into the lever handle I am not sure and why is has fallen out/is missing from two assemblies that I have is a further mystery
But it still appears that there is a further spring, not on the Pet, that tensions the pawl that looks like the first picture Courtesy Mike Fitton post. This is the one that Chris at Tangerine has devised a work around I think.
Can any one with a working assembly confirm how the Locking Segment fits in and whether the mystery Mike Fitton spring is in there??
The rubber boot is listed at Sierra Madre but is NLA. I have an old beat up one that will probably work as a place holder.
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Posted by: 914bub Sep 25 2019, 09:45 PM
Sorry for the stupid question but I've seen a lot of posts here about folding parking brake handles. What was the point or reasoning behind them?
Posted by: gereed75 Sep 26 2019, 05:48 AM
Good question. I guess it was to fold the handle out of the way when entering exiting. A bit quirky, but if you have an early car and want it correct, gotta have one
I have a late one currently. Gotta rig an extension on the “cam” that operates the brake warning light, otherwise it works fine.
Posted by: 914Sixer Sep 26 2019, 05:54 AM
I have #16 locking locking segment. It just sets over the mounting hole in the base.
Posted by: gereed75 Sep 27 2019, 05:07 AM
So is there a spring that tensions the pawl or does it just drop into the locking segment by gravity?
Posted by: ChrisFoley Sep 27 2019, 07:00 AM
So is there a spring that tensions the pawl or does it just drop into the locking segment by gravity?
The spring is part of the rod. When it breaks you have to replace the rod to get the handle to work again, or come up with some other spring mechanism such as the bent piece in your top picture.
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Sep 27 2019, 11:10 AM
we have new old stock base handles with bushing, new old stock pull handles, new grips, new ratcheting gears, new buttons, new old stock rod with tension release spring clip, new aftermarket equalizer cables, new factory pins, and new springs and stop washers
Posted by: UROpartsman Sep 27 2019, 04:55 PM
Check with URO or JP Dansk parts. They are reproducing parts. Do a search, at one point I found a complete list of all the Dansk parts. I think there is one for URO too. Maybe URO parts man will chime in.
Can't help with the spring or locking segment, but we do have the correct smooth-surface grip, part number 901 424 521 01. Bbrock is using one on his restoration, see his feedback here: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=336894
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Posted by: Pierre68 Apr 10 2021, 01:45 PM
So is there a spring that tensions the pawl or does it just drop into the locking segment by gravity?
The spring is part of the rod. When it breaks you have to replace the rod to get the handle to work again, or come up with some other spring mechanism such as the bent piece in your top picture.
I couldn't create the spring, so I decided to use a small piece of compressed foam located behind the pawl, the whole thing is held together with electrical tape.
it works really well.
Posted by: Dave_Darling Apr 11 2021, 01:33 PM
Sorry for the stupid question but I've seen a lot of posts here about folding parking brake handles. What was the point or reasoning behind them?
The handbrake handle on the 914 is right below the door opening. A traditional handle could be somewhat in the way while you are getting into or out of the car, so they made the handle a two-piece affair that would just flop down out of the way after it was set.
It appears that people would forget or have difficulty disengaging the brake, which would lead to the rear brakes overheating. Or perhaps it was cost-cutting, but whatever the reason they moved on to a one-piece handle in the 1972 model year (I think?) which didn't pull up very far, so it was mostly out of the way.
It was common practice for many years to replace the early two-piece handle with the later one-piece version, as the latter was generally more reliable and easier to operate correctly. Unless I were striving for originality, I would go with that route personally.
--DD
Posted by: ClayPerrine Apr 11 2021, 01:45 PM
Sorry for the stupid question but I've seen a lot of posts here about folding parking brake handles. What was the point or reasoning behind them?
The handbrake handle on the 914 is right below the door opening. A traditional handle could be somewhat in the way while you are getting into or out of the car, so they made the handle a two-piece affair that would just flop down out of the way after it was set.
It appears that people would forget or have difficulty disengaging the brake, which would lead to the rear brakes overheating. Or perhaps it was cost-cutting, but whatever the reason they moved on to a one-piece handle in the 1972 model year (I think?) which didn't pull up very far, so it was mostly out of the way.
It was common practice for many years to replace the early two-piece handle with the later one-piece version, as the latter was generally more reliable and easier to operate correctly. Unless I were striving for originality, I would go with that route personally.
--DD
Your memory hasn't failed yet Dave. It was 72 when they went to the non-folding handle. Our six has a late park brake handle, but we have an original in a box on the shelf in the garage. The later handle just works better.
Clay
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