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Posted by: bahnzai Sep 18 2019, 07:59 AM
Bob, @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=6073
Can you remind us again or give some more details on what & how to approach PCA to show support for the 914 specialty group to help keep Okteenerfest alive? Maybe this need to be a separate thread, but I thought participants might look here first?
Thanks again for a spectacular event! It is one of the most enjoyable outings of the year.
Posted by: jfort Sep 25 2019, 02:32 PM
I had the following as the PCA guy to write to. It doesn't work. Obviously I copied it wrong or they block all 914 owners somehow.
60thclubgroupe@gmail.com
What's the correct address?
Posted by: naro914 Sep 25 2019, 03:03 PM
Just an FYI, a couple of weeks before Okteenerfest, I reached out to Mike Blizzard and obtained a copy of the Sponsor Letter for Okteenerfest. With that in hand and being a 30+ year member of PCA, I contacted Vu Nguyen, PCA president. I had already reached out to Ezra Jones at PCNA directly (he was the PCNA representative that hosted the 914 event at the Atlanta Experience Center) to make him aware of Okteenerfest and 914World in general.
I contacted Vu via email and then spoke with him by phone and asked that he help me make contact with the person at PCNA in Atlanta with the following objectives:
1) make them aware of Okteenerfest,
2) let them know that there would likely be a large turnout at Okteenerfest (and there was compared to the 10 914s that showed up at the PCNA event), and
3) try to get some support from PCA or PCNA for Okteenerfest (either in the form of cash support or any door prize or memorabilia items that they might already have in the works for the Atlanta event).
Vu was not aware of Okteenerfest but he at least knows about it now. He said that he would try to reach out to someone at PCNA but I never heard back and my follow up call from the week before Okteenerfest was not returned.
I believe it would be worth a follow up to Vu for support of Okteenerfest next year. I can continue to work this if Bob and Mike are okay with me doing this.....I'm certainly willing to help if I can.
Vu and all EC are well aware of Okteenerfest - I personally invite them every year and I need their approval for insurance and the subsidy (which we didn't get this year). Manny knows too.
I had the following as the PCA guy to write to. It doesn't work. Obviously I copied it wrong or they block all 914 owners somehow.
60thclubgroupe@gmail.com
What's the correct address?
60thclubcoupe@gmail.com
Posted by: naro914 Sep 25 2019, 03:09 PM
Bob, @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=6073
Can you remind us again or give some more details on what & how to approach PCA to show support for the 914 specialty group to help keep Okteenerfest alive? Maybe this need to be a separate thread, but I thought participants might look here first?
Thanks again for a spectacular event! It is one of the most enjoyable outings of the year.
Danny,
Just send him a note that you're disapointed that they decommisioned the 914 Registry group and how you feel disrespected (or whatever you want to say).
Based on the responses people are getting, not sure it's going to matter. Somehow its becoming my fault...
You will get a response along the lines of "We DO appreciate and respect the 914 owners, we are doing a celebration, and all...but Bob left and nobody stepped up, so we ditched it" which is not completely true since a couple people DID reach out to him about taking over and he never responded. So they gave up.
If ANYBODY wants to step up and be 914 Registry Advocate, please tell him. Its not a lot of work, but it may really pay dividends down the road.
Posted by: jdamiano Sep 25 2019, 04:39 PM
Bob, @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=6073
Can you remind us again or give some more details on what & how to approach PCA to show support for the 914 specialty group to help keep Okteenerfest alive? Maybe this need to be a separate thread, but I thought participants might look here first?
Thanks again for a spectacular event! It is one of the most enjoyable outings of the year.
Danny,
Just send him a note that you're disapointed that they decommisioned the 914 Registry group and how you feel disrespected (or whatever you want to say).
Based on the responses people are getting, not sure it's going to matter. Somehow its becoming my fault...
You will get a response along the lines of "We DO appreciate and respect the 914 owners, we are doing a celebration, and all...but Bob left and nobody stepped up, so we ditched it" which is not completely true since a couple people DID reach out to him about taking over and he never responded. So they gave up.
If ANYBODY wants to step up and be 914 Registry Advocate, please tell him. Its not a lot of work, but it may really pay dividends down the road.
I just emailed him an offered to be the 914 Registry Advocate. We will see if there is really interest from PCA in having a 914 Registry. If there is someone else I should email my willingness send me a PM.
Posted by: Rusty Sep 25 2019, 08:07 PM
Just send him a note that you're disapointed that they decommisioned the 914 Registry group and how you feel disrespected (or whatever you want to say).
Based on the responses people are getting, not sure it's going to matter. Somehow its becoming my fault...
You will get a response along the lines of "We DO appreciate and respect the 914 owners, we are doing a celebration, and all...but Bob left and nobody stepped up, so we ditched it" which is not completely true since a couple people DID reach out to him about taking over and he never responded. So they gave up.
If ANYBODY wants to step up and be 914 Registry Advocate, please tell him. Its not a lot of work, but it may really pay dividends down the road.
I wrote a week ago and didn't get a reply at all.
Posted by: jdamiano Sep 25 2019, 08:35 PM
I received a reply from John. I’m not entirely sure how to interpret it. I do think he is upset with Bob for putting this out there. I figured that would be the case as soon as the slide with his email appeared on the screen. I replied to his email with what I think is a strong case to reestablish the 914 Registry and for me to become the advocate. It’s in their court now. The only other thing I think might help is a post here and on the 914 Facebook pages directing owners to go to the PCA website and respectfully email John letting him know we want our own Special Interest Group back. Not just for Octeenerfest, but for the love of our mid engine air cooled cars. We know all the coolest Porsche cars are built that way. Here is a link to the PCA page with a hyperlink to Johns PCA email. https://www.pca.org/special-interest-groups . I’m going to let someone else post this if they agree it will help the cause.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 26 2019, 06:33 AM
When Charlie Davis (RIP) wanted to retire from being the SIG advocate, he asked me if I was willing to take over. I agreed, and he contacted PCA. They decided I wasn't well enough known in the mainstream PCA community, so I didn't get it. Even though I was well known in the 914 community, that was not good enough. That's when the contacted Bob. Bob did a great job, but he and PCA national had different ideas about the SIG/Registry.
Betty and I have been PCA members for 17 years. We initially didn't want to join because we were leery of the NARP stigma. Charlie convinced us to join, and we had only one NARP experience in the whole 17 years... until now. I am now considering ending our PCA membership. I have already decided to drop out of National Club Race Timing and Scoring as of next year.
As I understand it, the Registry had an issue with using 914world as the registry forum. But a bunch of the registries don't even have a website. 
PCA always says "It's not the cars, it's the people." Well, this action by PCA shows their motto should be "If you don't drive a 911, you ain't shit"
Posted by: Mblizzard Sep 26 2019, 06:57 AM
Reposting from previous thread
I emailed John and was respectful in my wording. But regardless of the reasoning, those on the outside can only see this as a very exclusionary action by PCA. I know there will be lots of “reasons” that explain what it’s not, but the simple reality is there is no other way for 914 owners to take this.
As a well funded organization PCA should be smart enough to know that. Regardless of reasons for the action there was clearly a million better ways to go about it.
We will wait to see how they respond. Not quite to canceling my membership but getting close.[b][/b]
Posted by: Rusty Sep 26 2019, 08:02 AM
I emailed John and was respectful in my wording. But regardless of the reasoning, those on the outside can only see this as a very exclusionary action by PCA. I know there will be lots of “reasons” that explain what it’s not, but the simple reality is there is no other way for 914 owners to take this.
As a well funded organization PCA should be smart enough to know that. Regardless of reasons for the action there was clearly a million better ways to go about it.
We will wait to see how they respond. Not quite to canceling my membership but getting close.
I was courteous in my email. Silence is an effective communication technique.
I've left organizations I was very committed to in the past because they no longer represented my interests. Every man should decide what's best for himself.
914 owners are a rambunctious and dwindling crowd. Perhaps PCA has made the decision we're no longer worth it? Our hobby doesn't put a lot of dollars into the PCNA till.
I hope it's resolved or that we can find an alternative solution for insurance coverage that allows us to hold 914-specific events.
Posted by: Garland Sep 26 2019, 08:31 AM
Sent email:
1986, 33 years ago, my soon to be bride, and I joined and attended a local PCA event here in south eastern Michigan. My 1st PCA event and at the time a 914 owner for 12 years.
2004 Joined 914World.com an attended 2004 & 2005 MidWest Classic 914 gatherings here in Michigan. Lots of 914, and lots of great people. Rejoined PCA, and due to no 914 content or interest, I did not renew our membership with PCA.
2016, & 2017 competed in the Build-off-Challenge Contest.
2019 found a great group of owners, in Northern Ontario. PCA UCR 914 SIG. Attended 2 events, and felt great warmth, and interest in the 914, by all owners, Rejoined PCA.
Okteenerfest was fantastic again this year. Thanks all that worked so hard to pull that off. Though PCA would be more involved, but the norm was true, very little attention from PCA on one of the biggest Porsche mid engine events in North America. PS: PCA most 914 owners own other Porsche products!
As you can tell the 914 drives my Porsche passion. Every time I have reached out to participate in PCA events I have not found the people, that I find in 914 themed events.
I have great interest in all Porsche products, but find some PCA regions that focused on other models don’t.
No matter what your interest, the great thing about “car guys” is they love there ride, and respect that in others. I think you will find 914 owners fall into this class of people. And would love to share all there Porsche experiences with others. PCA don’t let us down, please find more room for growing unity in the Porsche Community.
Posted by: Mblizzard Sep 26 2019, 09:40 AM
My email.
John,
I am sure you had a number of people contact you regarding the 914 Registry. As a PCA members my wife and I are very troubled with the recent removal. We are a multiple Porsche family and long time PCA supporters. We are very conflicted on what message PCA is trying to convey to 914 owners. I was wondering if PCA could clarify their intent of this action as we find it to be exclusionary. This is not an action we think represents the PCA we have supported for any years.
I know you have others offer to serve as the 914 advocate and if you need support I would be happy to assist.
Posted by: Jamie Sep 26 2019, 09:51 AM
I received a reply from John. I’m not entirely sure how to interpret it. I do think he is upset with Bob for putting this out there. I figured that would be the case as soon as the slide with his email appeared on the screen. I replied to his email with what I think is a strong case to reestablish the 914 Registry and for me to become the advocate. It’s in their court now. The only other thing I think might help is a post here and on the 914 Facebook pages directing owners to go to the PCA website and respectfully email John letting him know we want our own Special Interest Group back. Not just for Octeenerfest, but for the love of our mid engine air cooled cars. We know all the coolest Porsche cars are built that way. Here is a link to the PCA page with a hyperlink to Johns PCA email. https://www.pca.org/special-interest-groups . I’m going to let someone else post this if they agree it will help the cause.
I own 2 other Porches, so it disturbs me to see that some 914 fans are discussing dropping their PCA membership, which would generate absolutely no concern from PCA. By dropping out we would have no voice in decision making regarding the 914SIG, no chance of having the SIG restored. In the big picture, only PCA members have any power to affect change, we can't be on the outside looking in.
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Sep 26 2019, 10:08 AM
https://www.pca.org/special-interest-
Notice that there is nothing for 356 either, I think that both the 356 registry and the 914world are so strong, PCA feels like that they do not need an extra registry for either car??
Posted by: billh1963 Sep 26 2019, 10:34 AM
Porsche's future is with SUV's, sedans and, ultimately, electric versions of those vehicles.
Our cars (and those of us over 50) are not their target demographic. 914's are as alien to Porsche as old rotary phones are to telecom workers. There is no money in it nor any future. How many 914's survive compared to all the other Porsche models out there? Our numbers barely register.
It's not about the people...it hasn't been for a long time. It's about the money. The latest Panorama mentioned record membership growth and revenue is THREE time greater than it was just eight years ago. Sure, at the regional PCA level it may be about the people. But, at the corporate level it's about the money. Porsche (and PCA) will target the up and coming virtue signalling millennials with disposable income who will buy EV's. Very few of us have the income to buy a Taycan and those of us who do have that income don't have the desire. We are not the target audience.
It's up to forums like this to keep the 914 alive.
Posted by: mepstein Sep 26 2019, 10:44 AM
Porsche's future is with SUV's, sedans and, ultimately, electric versions of those vehicles.
Our cars (and those of us over 50) are not their target demographic. 914's are as alien to Porsche as old rotary phones are to telecom workers. There is no money in it nor any future. How many 914's survive compared to all the other Porsche models out there? Our numbers barely register.
It's not about the people...it hasn't been for a long time. It's about the money. The latest Panorama mentioned record membership growth and revenue is THREE time greater than it was just eight years ago. Sure, at the regional PCA level it may be about the people. But, at the corporate level it's about the money. Porsche (and PCA) will target the up and coming virtue signalling millennials with disposable income who will buy EV's. Very few of us have the income to buy a Taycan and those of us who do have that income don't have the desire. We are not the target audience.
It's up to forums like this to keep the 914 alive.
I learned long ago not to chase people who aren’t interested in me. Posted by: 76-914 Sep 26 2019, 10:59 AM
Timely! I just received my renewal application from PCA. The only reason I joined was to support PCA thinking I would benefit from supporting PCA. Looks like I was fooled. Not this time. They will most likely celebrate my departure anyway. Adíos PCA. 
Posted by: gandalf_025 Sep 26 2019, 11:06 AM
I went to my one and only PCA Meeting in 1973
and it was made abundantly clear that NO 914
was welcome.....
Over the years people have told me that the attitude of
the PCA has changed and they were being inclusive now.
I resisted going back and I’m glad I did.
Best of Luck to Them.........
Posted by: naro914 Sep 26 2019, 11:16 AM
Porsche's future is with SUV's, sedans and, ultimately, electric versions of those vehicles.
Our cars (and those of us over 50) are not their target demographic. 914's are as alien to Porsche as old rotary phones are to telecom workers. There is no money in it nor any future. How many 914's survive compared to all the other Porsche models out there? Our numbers barely register.
It's not about the people...it hasn't been for a long time. It's about the money. The latest Panorama mentioned record membership growth and revenue is THREE time greater than it was just eight years ago. Sure, at the regional PCA level it may be about the people. But, at the corporate level it's about the money. Porsche (and PCA) will target the up and coming virtue signalling millennials with disposable income who will buy EV's. Very few of us have the income to buy a Taycan and those of us who do have that income don't have the desire. We are not the target audience.
It's up to forums like this to keep the 914 alive.
As I posted on the other thread, To be clear...PCNA is in no way associated with PCA or the 914 Register Group. PCNA is Porsche Cars North America. They are a company. They sell new cars and quite honestly make zero money off of us 914 owners (ok, I do buy my oil filters from the local dealer for the race car but...) PCA is the club, and the register groups fall under PCA.
We can sit and discuss all we want about how we have a great community here and "who needs PCA anyway"....but...when it comes down to the insurance for the event, 914world is not going to provide that - PCA does. And without that insurance, there is no Okteenerfest...or at least I am not involved.
Posted by: 914werke Sep 26 2019, 11:35 AM
Porsche's future is with SUV's, sedans and, ultimately, electric versions of those vehicles.
Our cars (and those of us over 50) are not their target demographic. 914's are as alien to Porsche as old rotary phones are to telecom workers. There is no money in it nor any future. How many 914's survive compared to all the other Porsche models out there? Our numbers barely register.
It's not about the people...it hasn't been for a long time. It's about the money. The latest Panorama mentioned record membership growth and revenue is THREE time greater than it was just eight years ago. Sure, at the regional PCA level it may be about the people. But, at the corporate level it's about the money. Porsche (and PCA) will target the up and coming virtue signalling millennials with disposable income who will buy EV's. Very few of us have the income to buy a Taycan and those of us who do have that income don't have the desire. We are not the target audience.
It's up to forums like this to keep the 914 alive.
I learned long ago not to chase people who aren’t interested in me.
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Sep 26 2019, 11:49 AM
good point, just to give you an idea, when we moved the seven 914s into PCNA for the 50th celebration, there was just brief talk about the 914 and then the rest of the chat was about brumos racing and 911s that were actually moving out. Truly slighted by the officials. Then again, Porsche did not make the 914 but they sure made the 911 and still make it in some form today, so those old 911s promote sales of the new ones, while the "poor" 914 promotes nothing for them, the car manufacturer. We just have to shrug our shoulders (as I did that day) and accept reality.
At least the cars look good on display there
Porsche's future is with SUV's, sedans and, ultimately, electric versions of those vehicles.
Our cars (and those of us over 50) are not their target demographic. 914's are as alien to Porsche as old rotary phones are to telecom workers. There is no money in it nor any future. How many 914's survive compared to all the other Porsche models out there? Our numbers barely register.
It's not about the people...it hasn't been for a long time. It's about the money. The latest Panorama mentioned record membership growth and revenue is THREE time greater than it was just eight years ago. Sure, at the regional PCA level it may be about the people. But, at the corporate level it's about the money. Porsche (and PCA) will target the up and coming virtue signalling millennials with disposable income who will buy EV's. Very few of us have the income to buy a Taycan and those of us who do have that income don't have the desire. We are not the target audience.
It's up to forums like this to keep the 914 alive.
I learned long ago not to chase people who aren’t interested in me.
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Sep 26 2019, 11:49 AM
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Sep 26 2019, 11:50 AM
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Sep 26 2019, 11:50 AM
Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 26 2019, 12:01 PM
Maybe we need to think about getting our own insurance....
Car club event insurance:
https://heacockclassic.com/collector-cars/event-and-show-insurance/
https://www.hagerty.com/insurance/business-insurance/car-clubs
https://americanspecialty.com/programs/motorsports
https://protectyournonprofit.com/chapter-club-insurance/liability-plus/
These are some of the examples out there.
Posted by: Jamie Sep 26 2019, 12:09 PM
Maybe we need to think about getting our own insurance....
Car club event insurance:
https://heacockclassic.com/collector-cars/event-and-show-insurance/
https://www.hagerty.com/insurance/business-insurance/car-clubs
https://americanspecialty.com/programs/motorsports
https://protectyournonprofit.com/chapter-club-insurance/liability-plus/
These are some of the examples out there.
To acquire insurance as a group event we may have to organize as a club, with officers such as a secretary/treasurer to operate a checkbook account. I would really hate to see Okteenerfest die, it's such a good gathering and resource for our crazy car gang.
I nominate Bob for president!
Posted by: billh1963 Sep 26 2019, 12:11 PM
Porsche's future is with SUV's, sedans and, ultimately, electric versions of those vehicles.
Our cars (and those of us over 50) are not their target demographic. 914's are as alien to Porsche as old rotary phones are to telecom workers. There is no money in it nor any future. How many 914's survive compared to all the other Porsche models out there? Our numbers barely register.
It's not about the people...it hasn't been for a long time. It's about the money. The latest Panorama mentioned record membership growth and revenue is THREE time greater than it was just eight years ago. Sure, at the regional PCA level it may be about the people. But, at the corporate level it's about the money. Porsche (and PCA) will target the up and coming virtue signalling millennials with disposable income who will buy EV's. Very few of us have the income to buy a Taycan and those of us who do have that income don't have the desire. We are not the target audience.
It's up to forums like this to keep the 914 alive.
As I posted on the other thread, To be clear...PCNA is in no way associated with PCA or the 914 Register Group. PCNA is Porsche Cars North America. They are a company. They sell new cars and quite honestly make zero money off of us 914 owners (ok, I do buy my oil filters from the local dealer for the race car but...) PCA is the club, and the register groups fall under PCA.
We can sit and discuss all we want about how we have a great community here and "who needs PCA anyway"....but...when it comes down to the insurance for the event, 914world is not going to provide that - PCA does. And without that insurance, there is no Okteenerfest...or at least I am not involved.
I am well aware that PCA is not part of PCNA. Nor, have I advocated anyone dropping their PCA membership. I’m not dropping mine. But, I joined PCA because of my 911’s. I would have never joined if I only owned 914(s). What I am saying is that it is unrealistic to expect much, if any, interest from either organization in the 914. The 914 was not a good fit in the Porsche portfolio 50 years ago. It’s even less so now.
PCA will expend the vast majority of its resources chasing new members. What are those new members buying? SUV’s and sedans with a smattering of sports cars. Do I blame them? Absolutely not. We, as 914 owners, need to be realistic in where we fit in the overall organization. Which, realistically, may be even lower than the 924
I hope that PCA will continue to provide us insurance coverage for future 914 events. But, to expect more than that may be unrealistic. We are not the future and I’m okay with that that.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 26 2019, 12:17 PM
Maybe we need to think about getting our own insurance....
Car club event insurance:
https://heacockclassic.com/collector-cars/event-and-show-insurance/
https://www.hagerty.com/insurance/business-insurance/car-clubs
https://americanspecialty.com/programs/motorsports
https://protectyournonprofit.com/chapter-club-insurance/liability-plus/
These are some of the examples out there.
To acquire insurance as a group event we may have to organize as a club, with officers such as a secretary/treasurer to operate a checkbook account. I would really hate to see Okteenerfest die, it's such a good gathering and resource for our crazy car gang.
I agree. According to the info on 914World, we have 21,703 members. If only 25% of them (5426) are willing to join an official club, and pay dues of $50.00/year (same dues as PCA), we would be able to generate $271,287.50 per year of income. We could keep it simple, and just use that for Insurance and subsidy for the events like Okteenerfest, Red Rocks Classic, and the West Coast Ramble.
We would need to recruit officers for the LLC, file the paperwork, hire a lawyer (unless we have a member here that is a lawyer and can be persuaded to do this pro bono), and a number of other legal
necessary to pull it off. Pick the idea apart... please.
Posted by: malcolm2 Sep 26 2019, 12:41 PM
OK help me out. Is all this about insurance?
Yes, I sign the insurance sheet at Okteenerfest. What does that mean? Don't we all have our own insurance? Car and maybe umbrella liability?
Does the law consider 60 cars and 100 people at Okteenerfest as 1 entity? So if some driver wrecked, killed someone or totaled something, would we all be labial as 1? We are not currently "a club", just a group of people with the same type of car.
Just asking, I am an engineer not a risk manager.
Posted by: billh1963 Sep 26 2019, 12:43 PM
OK help me out. Yes, I sign the insurance sheet at Okteenerfest. What does that mean? Don't we all have our own insurance? Car and maybe umbrella liability?
Does the law consider us 60 cars at Okteenerfest as 1 entity? So if some driver wrecked, killed someone or totaled something, would we all be labial as 1? We are not currently "a club", just a group of people with the same type of car.
Just asking, I am an engineer not a risk manager.
Bob explained it at Okteenerfest by giving an example but I probably couldn’t do it justice. Hopefully, he’ll chime in.
Posted by: naro914 Sep 26 2019, 12:44 PM
Correct
No chance in hell
Posted by: poorsche914 Sep 26 2019, 12:51 PM
Yes, I sign the insurance sheet at Okteenerfest. What does that mean? Don't we all have our own insurance? Car and maybe umbrella liability?
Does the law consider 60 cars and 100 people at Okteenerfest as 1 entity? So if some driver wrecked, killed someone or totaled something, would we all be labial as 1? We are not currently "a club", just a group of people with the same type of car.
Just asking, I am an engineer not a risk manager.
From my understanding, if you wreck your 914 at an event, YOUR insurance covers it, not the PCA. If you run over someone's dog and that person sues, PCA coverage would kick in. Also protects the event organizers from lawsuits.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=6073 Bob knows the details much better than I do.
Posted by: naro914 Sep 26 2019, 12:52 PM
OK help me out. Is all this about insurance?
Yes, I sign the insurance sheet at Okteenerfest. What does that mean? Don't we all have our own insurance? Car and maybe umbrella liability?
Does the law consider 60 cars and 100 people at Okteenerfest as 1 entity? So if some driver wrecked, killed someone or totaled something, would we all be labial as 1? We are not currently "a club", just a group of people with the same type of car.
Just asking, I am an engineer not a risk manager.
In a nutshell, When you sign the waiver, you are waving your right to hold PCA, it’s officers, other participants and the event organizers liable for any incidents in exchange for being totally covered for liability.
Say for example you lose a wheel while driving, veer off and hit someone on a motorcycle and kill them. The family sues you, me, PCA, PCA officers, the guy following you...everyone. Our insurance covers everything...attorneys, expenses, even any losses in the event there is a loss (assuming no gross negligence like you were drunk or something)
You’d be surprised how many times PCA gets sued for incidents that occur...and the most are on driving tours.
Posted by: malcolm2 Sep 26 2019, 01:10 PM
OK help me out. Is all this about insurance?
Yes, I sign the insurance sheet at Okteenerfest. What does that mean? Don't we all have our own insurance? Car and maybe umbrella liability?
Does the law consider 60 cars and 100 people at Okteenerfest as 1 entity? So if some driver wrecked, killed someone or totaled something, would we all be labial as 1? We are not currently "a club", just a group of people with the same type of car.
Just asking, I am an engineer not a risk manager.
In a nutshell, When you sign the waiver, you are waving your right to hold PCA, it’s officers, other participants and the event organizers liable for any incidents in exchange for being totally covered for liability.
Say for example you lose a wheel while driving, veer off and hit someone on a motorcycle and kill them. The family sues you, me, PCA, PCA officers, the guy following you...everyone. Our insurance covers everything...attorneys, expenses, even any losses in the event there is a loss (assuming no gross negligence like you were drunk or something)
You’d be surprised how many times PCA gets sued for incidents that occur...and the most are on driving tours.
Yes, I do remember that discussion now. Thanks
Posted by: mepstein Sep 26 2019, 01:43 PM
So do they need to “support” 914’s for the event to buy the insurance? Or is it just a transaction - money=insurance, whether or not they acknowledge the car.
Posted by: Rusty Sep 26 2019, 01:48 PM
I hope PCA listens and we can resolve this. We certainly need more friends and allies in this life rather than fewer.
P.S. If I worked at PCA and a bunch of folks mentioning 914world were emailing me... you betcha I'd be here watching. Don't even need to register to check out The Garage. 
Posted by: scottthephotog Sep 26 2019, 02:18 PM
I agree. According to the info on 914World, we have 21,703 members. If only 25% of them (5426) are willing to join an official club, and pay dues of $50.00/year (same dues as PCA), we would be able to generate $271,287.50 per year of income. We could keep it simple, and just use that for Insurance and subsidy for the events like Okteenerfest, Red Rocks Classic, and the West Coast Ramble.
We would need to recruit officers for the LLC, file the paperwork, hire a lawyer (unless we have a member here that is a lawyer and can be persuaded to do this pro bono), and a number of other legal
necessary to pull it off. Pick the idea apart... please.
I hope PCA listens and we can resolve this. We certainly need more friends and allies in this life rather than fewer.
P.S. If I worked at PCA and a bunch of folks mentioning 914world were emailing me... you betcha I'd be here watching. Don't even need to register to check out The Garage.
It would be great if PCA could work this out. If they don't, I'd totally join an official 914 club. You guys are way more fun.
Posted by: ConeDodger Sep 26 2019, 02:46 PM
I hope PCA listens and we can resolve this. We certainly need more friends and allies in this life rather than fewer.
P.S. If I worked at PCA and a bunch of folks mentioning 914world were emailing me... you betcha I'd be here watching. Don't even need to register to check out The Garage.
Manny Alban is a member here. He’d tell you I have no problem criticizing PCA. Larry Sharp is the Zone Rep for Zone 7 and he is a member here. Vu is a Facebook friend and seems 914 friendly. I wouldn’t quit PCA over this, but my local region is always very glad to see me and 914 attendance is growing.
Posted by: preach Sep 26 2019, 02:49 PM
http://914.pca.org/
I like it here better.
Posted by: poorsche914 Sep 26 2019, 03:52 PM
I like it here better.
As we all know, the 914 community is thriving... both here and on the many Facebook groups.
If a PCA SIG's existence was based on online activity alone, then there would be very few left...well, maybe only ONE
911 SC & Carrera 3.2 - Facebook
911 Carrera 3.0 1976-77 - PCA vB forums, 41 members, inactive
912/912E - Informational site with link to Facebook
924/931 1976-1982 - 924Board.org forum, very active
968 - informational web site, abandoned?
996 - informational site with unused forum
Boxster - PCA vB forums, 3428 members, 123 active members, somewhat active?
Cayman - PCA vB forums, 4487 members, 408 active members, not very active
Early 911 Registry - PCA vB forums, 90 members, 8 active members, basically inactive
GT3 / GT2 / GT3 Cup - PCA vB forums, 3451 members, 315 active members, inactive
PCA Club Coupes - WP site, WP forums, inactive
RS America - informational web site, last updated 11/2018
Wide Body/Turbo Look (M491) - Facebook
Of the three Facebook "groups", two don't look very active at all while the third has minimal activity.
John D'Angelo is Advocate of the PCA Club Coupes SIG (only 60 of those cars produced
) and that forum is INACTIVE!!!
Posted by: bandjoey Sep 26 2019, 04:05 PM
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=340837
Another idea PCA might consider. An Aircooled group. My 2cents.
Posted by: Manny Alban Sep 26 2019, 06:51 PM
I'm not on the National PCA Board of Directors anymore. Just a regular member. But I can tell you it's easier to work with PCA to get to your end goal than trying to start a new club. PCA has a close relationship with the factory and thus have access to better support in many areas. Someone should volunteer to be the 914 SIG Rep and contact John D'Angelo with ideas on how they see a future 914 SIG. PCA is always open to new ideas. Remember, the club's leadership is 100% volunteers. The paid staff is there as support to the volunteers. Financials are very transparent. Most of the surplus goes back to the regions to use as they see fit. You'd be surprised just how lean PCA runs.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 27 2019, 06:16 AM
http://914.pca.org/
I like it here better.
The link to the page is gone off the main registry page.
Posted by: ConeDodger Sep 27 2019, 11:53 AM
I'm not on the National PCA Board of Directors anymore. Just a regular member. But I can tell you it's easier to work with PCA to get to your end goal than trying to start a new club. PCA has a close relationship with the factory and thus have access to better support in many areas. Someone should volunteer to be the 914 SIG Rep and contact John D'Angelo with ideas on how they see a future 914 SIG. PCA is always open to new ideas. Remember, the club's leadership is 100% volunteers. The paid staff is there as support to the volunteers. Financials are very transparent. Most of the surplus goes back to the regions to use as they see fit. You'd be surprised just how lean PCA runs.
I contacted my Zone rep and asked what the thought process behind the elimination of the SIG was. At the very least, he will get back to me, even if he doesn’t give me a definitive answer.
Thanks Manny. I thought you were in a Past President position. I guess that was a year or so back?
Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 27 2019, 12:08 PM
I'm not on the National PCA Board of Directors anymore. Just a regular member. But I can tell you it's easier to work with PCA to get to your end goal than trying to start a new club. PCA has a close relationship with the factory and thus have access to better support in many areas. Someone should volunteer to be the 914 SIG Rep and contact John D'Angelo with ideas on how they see a future 914 SIG. PCA is always open to new ideas. Remember, the club's leadership is 100% volunteers. The paid staff is there as support to the volunteers. Financials are very transparent. Most of the surplus goes back to the regions to use as they see fit. You'd be surprised just how lean PCA runs.
Manny,
Multiple people have tried to do just that. I did, and I got rejected because I "Didn't have enough national presence". Everyone here who has sent an email to John D"Angelo has not received ANY replies. But the silence speaks really loudly. They act like they don't want a real 914 person for the 914 SIG, they act like they just want us to go away.
Just my $.02
Clay
Posted by: Superhawk996 Sep 27 2019, 03:03 PM
Porsche's future is with SUV's, sedans and, ultimately, electric versions of those vehicles.
Our cars (and those of us over 50) are not their target demographic. 914's are as alien to Porsche as old rotary phones are to telecom workers. There is no money in it nor any future. How many 914's survive compared to all the other Porsche models out there? Our numbers barely register.
It's not about the people...it hasn't been for a long time. It's about the money. The latest Panorama mentioned record membership growth and revenue is THREE time greater than it was just eight years ago. Sure, at the regional PCA level it may be about the people. But, at the corporate level it's about the money. Porsche (and PCA) will target the up and coming virtue signalling millennials with disposable income who will buy EV's. Very few of us have the income to buy a Taycan and those of us who do have that income don't have the desire. We are not the target audience.
It's up to forums like this to keep the 914 alive.
I learned long ago not to chase people who aren’t interested in me. In a similar vain. I attended the national PCA event in Traverse City Michigan back in 1989. As a new(ish) 914 owner I was excited to see so many Porsche's in one place.
However, I've never felt so unwelcome anywhere. Never joined PCA solely on the basis of that experience. This thread reaffirms the decision and the fact that this site is AWESOME!
"Please accept my resignation. I don't want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member" Groucho Marx
Posted by: preach Sep 27 2019, 03:32 PM
http://914.pca.org/
I like it here better.
The link to the page is gone off the main registry page.
It was/is a dud.
Posted by: jdamiano Sep 27 2019, 04:05 PM
I want to clarify the purpose of this post. Some of the PCA chapters are very welcoming of the 914ers. Mine has been great and has enriched my car ownership experience. We want to make sure others can feel welcome in PCA and having a SIG and an active Advocate will benefit both us and PCA. The benefit to us is the fellowship at our local PCA events and the ability to have 914 only events nationwide that PCA will cover the insurance for. The benefit to the greater PCA is membership. I have offered myself as the Advocate and been in communication with John. I think we are going in the right direction. What I need is for you guys to let him know we are here and want our SIG back. If you haven’t already let him know through the website at https://www.pca.org/special-interest-groups. No threats of cancellation but offers to join or renew will help. Message me if you think this is important or a waste of time because if John passes I want to know how hard to push back.
Posted by: SirAndy Sep 27 2019, 05:33 PM
I just sent an email to John D'Angelo through the PCA website.
Not really expecting much but hey, at least he'll know people care ...
Posted by: Jamie Sep 27 2019, 06:14 PM
I just sent an email to John D'Angelo through the PCA website.
Not really expecting much but hey, at least he'll know people care ...
I just sent one also.
Posted by: ConeDodger Sep 27 2019, 06:38 PM
I'm not on the National PCA Board of Directors anymore. Just a regular member. But I can tell you it's easier to work with PCA to get to your end goal than trying to start a new club. PCA has a close relationship with the factory and thus have access to better support in many areas. Someone should volunteer to be the 914 SIG Rep and contact John D'Angelo with ideas on how they see a future 914 SIG. PCA is always open to new ideas. Remember, the club's leadership is 100% volunteers. The paid staff is there as support to the volunteers. Financials are very transparent. Most of the surplus goes back to the regions to use as they see fit. You'd be surprised just how lean PCA runs.
I contacted my Zone rep and asked what the thought process behind the elimination of the SIG was. At the very least, he will get back to me, even if he doesn’t give me a definitive answer.
Thanks Manny. I thought you were in a Past President position. I guess that was a year or so back?
My Zone rep is my friend Colin Fat. He responded with this.
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Posted by: ConeDodger Sep 27 2019, 06:46 PM
I’d guess the competition he is talking about is us right here at 914World.Com.
I’d assume the solution would be to make our events like West Coast Ramble region based events. You get the club insurance, all they really ask is that you run drives by guidelines which are on the PCA site, a set insurance charge per participant (quite low).
Someone write an article for their newsletter.
I can’t speak for other regions, but I’m a 20 year member and the only time I feel like people wish I wasn’t there is when I do FTD on street tires. Usually, beaten by a 914 with race tires. Zone 7.
Posted by: preach Sep 27 2019, 06:47 PM
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Posted by: naro914 Sep 28 2019, 05:53 AM
I want to clarify the purpose of this post. Some of the PCA chapters are very welcoming of the 914ers. Mine has been great and has enriched my car ownership experience. We want to make sure others can feel welcome in PCA and having a SIG and an active Advocate will benefit both us and PCA. The benefit to us is the fellowship at our local PCA events and the ability to have 914 only events nationwide that PCA will cover the insurance for. The benefit to the greater PCA is membership. I have offered myself as the Advocate and been in communication with John. I think we are going in the right direction. What I need is for you guys to let him know we are here and want our SIG back. If you haven’t already let him know through the website at https://www.pca.org/special-interest-groups. No threats of cancellation but offers to join or renew will help. Message me if you think this is important or a waste of time because if John passes I want to know how hard to push back.
James, This is awesome! THANK YOU!
And yes, if everyone can turn their frustration and anger into support it will go a long way.
I will reach out to John with my support.
And if you want to talk at all about some of what your getting into (all good) or want any help getting up to speed, please dont hesitate to call me. 704.309.5499. (I think I may still have an old, old list of former 914SIG members too.)
That goes for anyone that wants to help (or just talk cars). Steven Schleif and I had some really good ideas of how we wanted to build the group, we just didn’t have the time to execute on it.
Honestly....being part of PCA leadership is great, no matter what the role. My years as President then Zone 3 Rep were certainly some of the more fun years we’ve had in our Porsche ownership journey. I just could never do the 914 Advocate role justice...
Let me know how I can help.
Posted by: mathfuzzy Sep 28 2019, 10:45 AM
Hi All,
JD here. PCA Special Interest Registries Coordinator. Clearly a passionate group as I've had correspondence with a number of you and scan through this content. Thanks to a number of you for being positive in your communications, not assuming the usual "NARP" sentiment, and for volunteering to take the advocate role for the PCA 914 special interest registry. I'll work to make sure that the PCA Executive Council understand the passion of PCA members who on 914s, the interest in reviving the registry, and, ideally, an advocate who is willing to take on the role and responsibilities associated with it.
Just wanted to ring in and make a couple of things clear. First and foremost, decommissioning the registry had nothing to do with a lack of interest in, passion or respect for the 914. I think it's safe to say that it's the opposite. With the celebration of the 50th anniversary of the 914 model year in 2020, you'll see significant coverage and attention devoted to the 914 from PCA.
Decommissioning did have to do with an advocate who, understandably, indicated he didn't have the time and attention to spend on the role. The advocate role, like mine, is predicated on someone being willing to volunteer their time and effort. I'm guessing my volunteer involvement in PCA involves a few hundred hours a year and at least a few thousand un-reimbursed dollars. I, like so many others, do it because I have a passion for the marque and so many of the models it has produced over the years, including the 914.
When I took over responsibilities for the PCA special interest registries a couple years ago, the program had been around for roughly 21 years and had evolved over time. Working with the PCA EC (just to be clear, none of the actions were done in a vacuum or unilaterally) I took a step back to figure out the purpose of the program and how it did and should exist as a benefit to PCA members. What I found was a wide spectrum of size, activity, engagement and purpose among the existing registries. At best, I found a handful of vibrant and active registries with websites or Facebook groups that showed daily activity and moderation, periodic newsletter, and annual gatherings. At worst, no web presence, no social media presence, and no response from the named advocate after several attempts.
In early 2018, after clarifying the advocate role, I reached out to all existing advocates to communicate the new role and responsibilities. At a minimum, it meant that each registry needed either a website or Facebook group...ideally both...to foster member interaction. Several were already doing what I was asking, several pledged and have since met minimum requirements, some tapped out, some did not respond. Bob responded and said he'd try to find another volunteer to take over as advocate. As of the end of 2018, when it was time to take action, nobody had stepped up to take the role so the registry was decommissioned along with several other changes and consolidations.
Having said all of that, my bad for not completing the loop with Bob, and for not connecting the dots to the Octeenerfest subsidy. That was, I can promise, an unintended consequence. Having triple checked with Vu, that event can still be insured through a PCA Region, so hopefully the continued viability of the event doesn't hinge on the lack or presence of a $400 subsidy. And if PCA reinstates the registry it needs to serve a purpose beyond providing a subsidy for a couple of events. Ideally it means there's an active and engaged community of PCA members who own 914s in the form of a Facebook group.
As I said, it's great that there are a handful of people who have raised their hand to volunteer for the advocate position. It's a great start and I'll be working on making sure at least one is up for the role and then with the EC to reinstate the registry. In the meantime, I get it, I don't need more letters. Special thanks to those who have reached out with a civil tone. For the rest, I'm not the enemy. PCA isn't about the money (or if it is, nobody is cutting me in). It's about providing a benefit to members and supporting the passion of a vast number of members.
Thanks again to those who have taken the time to reach out. Again, I get it and I'm on it.
All the best,
JD
Posted by: Betty Sep 28 2019, 01:26 PM
Thanks again to those who have taken the time to reach out. Again, I get it and I'm on it.
All the best,
JD
Kudos to you JD! It might have felt like walking into the lion's den when you came here and signed up for an account.
As a 17 year PCA member, thank you very much for coming here and addressing some of the issues that were recently raised. My personal .02 is - that act alone makes me feel better than I was feeling before. I'm a firm believer in "Alone we can do so little, together we can do so much" (Helen Keller).
So...................
And... what cars do you have (they don't have to be only Porsche). I'd love to see pictures of your car(s) - and maybe even hear part of your 'Car Story" if you feel comfortable sharing! I've got a '74 914 I've owned for 34 years that, now that Okteenerfest 2019 has come and gone, has over 400,000 miles on it.
Posted by: preach Sep 28 2019, 03:41 PM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=23504 Thank you JD for your response to my email.
Posted by: simonjb Sep 28 2019, 03:57 PM
Thanks JD !
Posted by: SirAndy Sep 28 2019, 04:19 PM
Thanks for your email reply and posting here.
Looks like we'll be able to work this out.
Posted by: Minerva's 914 Sep 28 2019, 04:34 PM
I like it here better.
As we all know, the 914 community is thriving... both here and on the many Facebook groups.
If a PCA SIG's existence was based on online activity alone, then there would be very few left...well, maybe only ONE
911 SC & Carrera 3.2 - Facebook
911 Carrera 3.0 1976-77 - PCA vB forums, 41 members, inactive
912/912E - Informational site with link to Facebook
924/931 1976-1982 - 924Board.org forum, very active
968 - informational web site, abandoned?
996 - informational site with unused forum
Boxster - PCA vB forums, 3428 members, 123 active members, somewhat active?
Cayman - PCA vB forums, 4487 members, 408 active members, not very active
Early 911 Registry - PCA vB forums, 90 members, 8 active members, basically inactive
GT3 / GT2 / GT3 Cup - PCA vB forums, 3451 members, 315 active members, inactive
PCA Club Coupes - WP site, WP forums, inactive
RS America - informational web site, last updated 11/2018
Wide Body/Turbo Look (M491) - Facebook
Of the three Facebook "groups", two don't look very active at all while the third has minimal activity.
John D'Angelo is Advocate of the PCA Club Coupes SIG (only 60 of those cars produced
) and that forum is INACTIVE!!!I'm a member of the Boxster - PCA vB forums, kinda stopped even going there as it's too lame. Not a lot of activity and ZERO personality. Much rather hang with you guys.
Posted by: Minerva's 914 Sep 28 2019, 04:39 PM
I'm not on the National PCA Board of Directors anymore. Just a regular member. But I can tell you it's easier to work with PCA to get to your end goal than trying to start a new club. PCA has a close relationship with the factory and thus have access to better support in many areas. Someone should volunteer to be the 914 SIG Rep and contact John D'Angelo with ideas on how they see a future 914 SIG. PCA is always open to new ideas. Remember, the club's leadership is 100% volunteers. The paid staff is there as support to the volunteers. Financials are very transparent. Most of the surplus goes back to the regions to use as they see fit. You'd be surprised just how lean PCA runs.
Yes, and that's why I just renewed my PCA membership last week. We can only make chances from within, quit PCA they will never miss you nor ever know what you could have contributed. Let's work together and with them to make our voices heard.
(Drops mic, steps down and puts soapbox away)
Posted by: mathfuzzy Sep 28 2019, 04:52 PM
And... what cars do you have (they don't have to be only Porsche). I'd love to see pictures of your car(s) - and maybe even hear part of your 'Car Story" if you feel comfortable sharing! I've got a '74 914 I've owned for 34 years that, now that Okteenerfest 2019 has come and gone, has over 400,000 miles on it.
My pleasure. And thanks for the nice note, Betty. FWIW, I’ve always appreciated the 914 and would love to go back and buy a clean, original 914-6...when they were $20k...but you can’t go back in time. We currently have 3 Porsche cars in the household - it’s very democratic, front, mid and rear engine cars all represented.
My wife’s graphite blue 718 Boxster (six speed):
Our dog’s car is a Macan GTS, and I’m lucky to have one of the 60th anniversary 991 GTS Club Coupe’s (seven speed). (Snap, new to this forum and ran out of space for more pictures on this post...will post the other two in follow-ups...
My first P-car was a 1970 2.2S (yeah, I know, should never have sold that). In between I’ve owned and sold two 993 Targas, a 993 NB Coupe, a 996 4S, and a 997.2 Targa. I’ve pretty much been a Porsche guys since I was 13-ish and still have my original copy of ‘Excellence Was Expected’ that I’ve had for over 30 years. I can’t remember a time in my life that I didn’t love sports cars.
Sorry for the drama here. I can promise you that nobody’s heart was in the wrong place. And with respect to not responding, I think I responded to literally everyone who reached out, but it’s possible that with all the volume an email or two fell through the cracks.
Best,
JD
Posted by: mathfuzzy Sep 28 2019, 04:57 PM
Sorry if this is a forum party foul...
The Macan:
And the dog:
Posted by: mathfuzzy Sep 28 2019, 05:05 PM
And finally, the GTS Club Coupe.
Well, almost finally. I forgot the GT4 that I owned for about a year and a half and put 10k miles on. Made the 991 feel like a luxury GT and sold it before it landed me in jail.
Posted by: mathfuzzy Sep 28 2019, 05:17 PM
Sorry, one last preview for this group courtesy of Vu
Posted by: Betty Sep 28 2019, 07:24 PM
Sorry if this is a forum party foul...
The Macan:
And the dog:
There are no party fouls when posting pics of your cars!!!
Dang you have had/currently have some awesome cars!!! I love the picture of the GTS Club Coupe in front of Alice's Restaurant. Clay (the other half) loves that song and started singing it as soon as he saw the picture.
So, the pup.... looks like a Belgian Shepherd or Malinois but with long hair making them a Groenendael with that coloring (am I even close)? That is an absolutely beautiful picture of him/her (I am SO an animal person).
Posted by: Betty Sep 28 2019, 07:37 PM
Also, thanks for posting the notice for Werks Reunion Amelia Island. We received a notification a few days ago and were already making plans to be there to help celebrate the 914!
We really enjoyed our trip to Amelia Island in 2015 when the 914 was one of the celebrated cars and are looking forward to hooking up with everybody there again.
Posted by: naro914 Sep 28 2019, 07:38 PM
John....you sold your GT4? Sorry...you are no longer allowed to post here. That’s blasphemy... lol 
Oh yeah...
Posted by: Jamie Sep 28 2019, 08:43 PM
Sorry, one last preview for this group courtesy of Vu
Thanks for your response JD, from one JD to another. I would like a clarification about your comment that we would need to form a Facebook group, or whatever they call those things, since I don't do Facebook, and have no intention of ever going there again. We already have an excellent functioning site here as you can obviously see, that serves our communication needs very well. I am a 17 yr. PCA member with my version of fuzzy math, called dyslexia, and became a member because of owning a 914 originally owned by my Father as I mentioned in the message I sent to you recently. I have been a Director in Bluegrass Region for 2 terms and am very active with my excellent local club. They have always been very receptive to my ownership of a 914, and also drive my Cayman or Cayenne on club drives, so I'm no outcast! We are a wonderful example that it is about the people, not the cars. We welcome your participation in our 914World.
Posted by: mathfuzzy Sep 28 2019, 08:44 PM
So, the pup.... looks like a Belgian Shepherd or Malinois but with long hair making them a Groenendael with that coloring (am I even close)? That is an absolutely beautiful picture of him/her (I am SO an animal person).
Yeah Betty, Lilly, she’s a Groenendael. The brains of the operation. Don’t tell my wife, but she might be the love of my life. Some better pictures...
Posted by: mathfuzzy Sep 28 2019, 08:49 PM
John....you sold your GT4? Sorry...you are no longer allowed to post here. That’s blasphemy... lol
Oh yeah...
Yeah, tough call. But after I realized I’d posted 1.34 lateral g’s on mountain road twisters, I realized it was a very bad idea to be hunting for that car’s limits on the street. Intentional or not.
Posted by: DRPHIL914 Sep 30 2019, 01:15 PM
Sorry, one last preview for this group courtesy of Vu
I had heard that a feature of the 914 was being done so already I am making plans to be at Amelia Island again this year. I was in the coral last year but missed the registration for the judging, so I will be making sure I am registered this year, and if there is a desire to have some 914's on display to represent I would like to offer mine., I am sure they will be looking for some cars to represent different years and models, options, rare colors etc?? please point us in the direction of who to speak to-. Last year there were some beautiful custom 914's on display and several were winners, and I would imagine that this year's 50th celebration should bring a few more out of the wood work!
Thanks for posting here and giving us the explanation and understanding of what was going on regarding the SIG's. Looking forward to seeing you at Amelia and Werks Reunion!.
Phil
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 17 2019, 10:43 AM
So the logical conclusion here is that we as 914 owners and representing World, should plan to attend in mass with our cars
Think about it. it's a win win. More cars to see and lets show them our colors.
Posted by: VaccaRabite Oct 17 2019, 11:28 AM
I've already got my lodging set up for Amelia this spring.
Trying to talk myself into making the 2000 mile round trip drive in my 914 vs driving the truck or WRX down.
Zach
Posted by: Betty Oct 17 2019, 06:29 PM
Yep, we're going. We were at Amelia Island in 2015 solely because the 914 was one of the featured cars.
Wouldn't miss this one either!
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