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Posted by: bkrantz Oct 16 2019, 08:47 PM

I realize most rebuilds go from the inside to the outside, but I am struck by how straight and clean the outer panels, including paint, look on my 73 2.0. And all the nasty stuff is hidden underneath--which I know is also not unusual.

Any way, I bought the car knowing most of what it was: a 2.0 with all the sport and appearance group equipment, including 5 good Fuchs, and the original fuel injection. The original engine is confirmed by a COA. In contrast to the exterior the interior was mixed at best, with some funky carpet. And the front and rear trunks (and engine compartment, and interior) had been sprayed with black undercoating.

So after a month, I have the car stripped to a bare shell, except for suspension and steering. I measured everything I could, and the body is very square and on spec. I need to patch some local rust spots, and replace the rear floor. And then do some minor straightening: right headlight bucket, front edge of right front fender, rear panel, etc.


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Posted by: bkrantz Oct 16 2019, 08:49 PM

I forgot to mention that I will add some door braces before doing anything serious.

But I wanted to play with my new Fein tool. This thing is amazing for scraping off the floor tar mat: no effort at all to clear half the floor in about 20 minutes.




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Posted by: bkrantz Oct 16 2019, 08:53 PM

And I testing the Fein for cutting the floor sheet metal, using the round bimetal blade. This is a circle, but the blade does not rotate--it oscillates by about 5 degrees and cuts a straight, thin kerf very easily.




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Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 16 2019, 09:31 PM

Use the dry ice method if you need to remove more tar. Works well to make an alcohol dry ice slurry and chip it off in large chunks.

Posted by: bkrantz Oct 20 2019, 08:22 PM

Been a couple of days and I have nearly completed my "final" assessment (though surprises will await!). Now I get start more objective planning and start ordering parts.

The major areas and tasks now:
replace rear trunk floor
replace rear passenger floor and patch front corners
patch local spots on inner sills
repair hell hole, with rust areas on top of sill, inner fender wall, and firewall
repair the right front corner, where a previous repair got dinged again

I need to get the rear done before mounting the car on a rotisserie.




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Posted by: raynekat Oct 20 2019, 11:49 PM

Been there, done that (or at least Cary who did all the work on my car did)....you'll have some fun Bob.
And yes, must finish this up before it goes on the rotisserie.
Great job so far.

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Posted by: pploco Oct 21 2019, 08:31 AM

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Use the dry ice method if you need to remove more tar. Works well to make an alcohol dry ice slurry and chip it off in large chunks.


Or use one of these - the tar will come off in big chunks

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Posted by: bkrantz Oct 21 2019, 08:20 PM

QUOTE(raynekat @ Oct 20 2019, 11:49 PM) *

Been there, done that (or at least Cary who did all the work on my car did)....you'll have some fun Bob.
And yes, must finish this up before it goes on the rotisserie.
Great job so far.

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Thanks, Doug. Hoping mine looks like that in a few weeks.

Another question: do the body plugs have any purpose? Any reason to cut these into replacement panels besides originality?

Posted by: bbrock Oct 21 2019, 08:50 PM

The body plugs are important for separating the men from the boys. lol-2.gif Other than that, they are just cosmetic at this point. I think they allowed access for the spot welder during assembly. I did find them handy for clamping the floor during replacement, but I was doing a full floor pan. They are a fair amount of extra work to cut and replicate too. Save your old ones though. Somebody might want them. I had to buy a couple.

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Before ordering sheet metal, I would run boroscope inside those longs to have a look to be sure they look as sound on the inside as outside.

Posted by: bkrantz Oct 28 2019, 08:55 PM

I have been out of town a bit, but needed to make some physical progress.

First, I finished cutting loose the front right fender. It is not original (nor was the attachment), but is in good shape (except for a ding on the lower front seam). Now I can access the inner fender.




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Posted by: bkrantz Oct 28 2019, 09:01 PM

I was waiting for a delivery truck, so decided to make a rough cut out of the rear trunk floor. Still liking the Fein multi tool.




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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 4 2019, 09:08 PM

Cleaner cut for the rear trunk floor. Looks like the distance from the rear panel to the transaxle support cross member is short 1/4 inch, compared to the RD replacement panel.


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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 5 2019, 09:34 PM

Testing my spot weld drill bit.



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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 11 2019, 09:46 PM

The bumpers, and all trim, were painted black. I wanted see the condition of the chrome underneath, so cleared a patch with paint remover. Looks OK except for the sanding marks!



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Posted by: Garland Nov 11 2019, 10:37 PM

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Cleaner cut for the rear trunk floor. Looks like the distance from the rear panel to the transaxle support cross member is short 1/4 inch, compared to the RD replacement panel.


Humm. I have the same one, but mine does not have that lip over the cross brace. It just runs out straight. Did you fold it over to make the flange for the spot welds? Did you drill and weld in a nut in the cross brace, or just go with out it?


I bent the lip, and made the flange. I did not add the nut. Just be sure to line it up tight, before you decide where to bend. And that the small center cap fits the width.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&showtopic=265772&view=findpost&p=2251890

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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 15 2019, 09:19 PM

Brought home a donor clip to use to replace my right front corner. Thanks, Steve!




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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 15 2019, 09:20 PM

Also a rear trunk lid, straighter than mine and without rust!




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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 16 2019, 10:08 PM

Starting surgery on the donor clip.




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Posted by: Superhawk996 Nov 17 2019, 12:22 PM

Watching this build. Keep going! cheer.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Nov 17 2019, 10:21 PM

Cut the donor clip down more. This is the largest section I might splice in, but still more thinking to do: what to save on the car (bent up but little rust) and what to splice in (straight but rusty in spots).




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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 18 2019, 09:34 PM

Started surgery on the receiver car. Removed the headlight box and the forward part of the inner fender. Lots of metal work to do on the floor corner.




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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 18 2019, 09:35 PM

Here are the parts removed. I will reuse the circular brace.


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Posted by: bbrock Nov 18 2019, 09:51 PM

Are you still using your Fein for the cutting? That looks great. Looking forward to seeing how you make out on straightening the boogers. popcorn[1].gif

Posted by: bkrantz Nov 19 2019, 09:19 PM

The Fein works best where I can cut from an exposed edge, and through a single layer. I also reach for a Rigid reciprocating saw, and a cut-off wheel on a grinder.

Posted by: bkrantz Nov 19 2019, 09:21 PM

First pass at reforming the floor corner.



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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 19 2019, 09:24 PM

And progress on the rear, removing the rear panel so I can repair the inner-outer fender seems and get the corners right for the replacement floor section.




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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 19 2019, 09:25 PM

Left corner detail. Pretty nasty work done when the original rear panel was replaced.




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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 20 2019, 05:45 PM

Quick adjustments of the inner fender corners, left:



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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 20 2019, 05:45 PM

and right:




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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 20 2019, 05:46 PM

Now the panel fits.


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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 20 2019, 05:48 PM

Back at the front, I am probably done working the floor corner, and got the front panel end mostly back in shape.


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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 20 2019, 05:51 PM

And started to dissect the donor clip. All I need now is the inner fender wall and headlight box. I will keep the vertical brace attached at least until I can check the fit.

Bad news is some local rust that will have to be patched before it can all go together.



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Posted by: bkrantz Nov 20 2019, 05:56 PM

Here's how the front corner started. I feel pretty good about what I was able to do.


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Posted by: FourBlades Nov 20 2019, 05:57 PM


Some great progress! smilie_pokal.gif

Nice work!

John

Posted by: jim_hoyland Nov 20 2019, 06:05 PM

Impressive ! smile.gif beer.gif

Posted by: bbrock Nov 20 2019, 09:41 PM

pray.gif Nice work!

Posted by: bkrantz Nov 21 2019, 09:51 PM

Thanks, everyone.

Donor part down to inner fender, headlight box, and vertical brace. I need to repair some local rust but will wait until I cut and fit the fender wall splice.


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Posted by: raynekat Nov 22 2019, 12:31 AM

Looking good there Bob.

Posted by: bkrantz Nov 22 2019, 09:21 PM

Thanks, Doug. I am in deeper than I wanted, but kinda enjoying it so far.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 23 2019, 08:17 AM

Nice work and skills. beerchug.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 5 2019, 09:15 PM

After a long trip to Tucson for turkey and visiting kids, I am back home and at work on the 914. Excited to start actually putting pieces together.

Got the front corner clip rough-fitted, and was surprised that my first attempt measures pretty close to exact (comparing left and right dimensions, and compared to my new straight frunk lid).




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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 5 2019, 09:18 PM

More work to do on the right end of the front panel, that was pretty banged up. I did some straightening by eye, and now have to precisely match the clip.




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Posted by: GTSandberg Dec 6 2019, 06:13 AM

Craftmanship and attention to details, Im in popcorn[1].gif

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 7 2019, 09:37 PM

Still working the fit. Made a cardboard template from the good side, and now need to work the bad side to match (and get the splice, the front panel, and the floor to align).



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 7 2019, 09:38 PM

Work to do. Gap seen from below.



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Posted by: FourBlades Dec 8 2019, 11:26 AM


Looking good!

Do some diagonal measurements from the base of the windshield to the corner of the buckets. I had a car that was off by one inch on one side! Made fitting the headlights exciting until I realized and fixed it. Don't neglect the vertical checks as well.

I have a feeling from your work that you know all that. biggrin.gif

John

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 8 2019, 09:35 PM

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Looking good!

Do some diagonal measurements from the base of the windshield to the corner of the buckets. I had a car that was off by one inch on one side! Made fitting the headlights exciting until I realized and fixed it. Don't neglect the vertical checks as well.

I have a feeling from your work that you know all that. biggrin.gif

John


Thanks, John. The diagonal measurements (and lots more) check out. I also compared positions to the front hood (a very straight one).

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 8 2019, 09:37 PM

More metal work, and the fit is getting closer--off by no more than a 1/16 to 3/32 inch.




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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 8 2019, 09:42 PM

Last bit of mis-alignment is the outermost end of the front panel.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 9 2019, 09:16 PM

After a few more hours today, I am claiming victory and will get on to welding soon. All the gaps and measurements are within 1/16 inch, and all the angles within 1 degree.




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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 9 2019, 09:17 PM

Of course, I might tap on things a bit more, just to make things more pretty.




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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 10 2019, 09:45 PM

Now starting on the rear. Weeks ago, I cut out the badly rusted rear half of the trunk floor, and also the un-rusty rear panel. That was a replacement during a PO repair, not done well. Took some surgery to undo the triple-layer seams on each side.

Here is the left side, looking not bad, except the seam and lower edges.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 10 2019, 09:47 PM

And here is the lumpy right side. Previous repair work done quickly?



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 11 2019, 08:38 PM

First effort, left side. Almost good.




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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 11 2019, 08:40 PM

And right side. Still needs work.




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Posted by: bbrock Dec 11 2019, 09:19 PM

You are a wizard. pray.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 12 2019, 10:40 PM

Right side done enough for now.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 12 2019, 10:43 PM

Time to start on the rear panel.

And yes, almost all the work so far has been to repair collision damage that had been repaired before.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 17 2019, 09:05 PM

Getting back to work, and a real milestone today: actually adding metal (welded the holes and tears in various places before starting to install the front corner splice.


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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 17 2019, 09:08 PM

And the first parts of the bracing for the open body. Hoping to get the front and rear done, and the car on the rotisserie by Dec 31.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 22 2019, 09:27 PM

Completed the interior bracing with some diagonals. Not sure if necessary but my son was having fun with the new TIG welder.


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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 22 2019, 09:29 PM

And completed the patches on the right front inner fender splice.


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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 22 2019, 09:32 PM

Two steps forward, at least one back!

I knew about this "surprise", with a crappy lap joint in the outer rear fender. I tried to ignore it for as long as possible, but decided to at least see how bad. Only attached on the outer lap with some spot welds and brazing.




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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 22 2019, 09:35 PM

Decided to separate, in order to make it right. This also gives me better access to finish work on the inner fender. Pretty easy since the fender was only attached at the lap joint, some brazing around the tail light opening, and one spot of brazing on the top seam.


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Posted by: Superhawk996 Dec 23 2019, 02:50 AM

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Yea! Coming along nicely.

Saw your other post about prepping lap welds. Now you've definitely seen the down side of them. Take the time, fix it right with a butt weld.

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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 23 2019, 09:27 PM

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Yea! Coming along nicely.

Saw your other post about prepping lap welds. Now you've definitely seen the down side of them. Take the time, fix it right with a butt weld.

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This has to be a nomination for the worst lap joint. Crude cut left open inside the fender.

My question was more about spot-welded seams, where paint access will be difficult at best.

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 23 2019, 09:29 PM

Here's the front corner mostly welded in place. A few more tweaks and we can finish the butt seam.


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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 23 2019, 09:32 PM

Meanwhile, getting started on the rear. First trim and fit for the trunk floor.




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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 23 2019, 09:34 PM

And starting the fit for the rear panel. This will need some work.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 23 2019, 09:35 PM

Right side is looking better, with access after removing the outer fender.


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Posted by: djway Dec 23 2019, 10:49 PM

AWESOME
There has got to be some Satisfaction there smile.gif

Posted by: sixnotfour Dec 23 2019, 11:09 PM

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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 24 2019, 09:56 PM

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AWESOME
There has got to be some Satisfaction there smile.gif


Yeah, I do enjoy this. Certainly not doing this for profit!

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 24 2019, 09:58 PM

Got the outer fender cut and fit. A few more tweaks and it should be ready for welding, along with the floor and the rear panel.




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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 24 2019, 10:00 PM

And...here's the last dodgy previous repair, where somebody spliced a replacement front panel with a lap joint, just inside of the left head light. Time to fix this.




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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 25 2019, 09:16 PM

Only a half-day for xmas, since I want to get as much done as possible during my son's visit.

Working on the dodgy front lap joint, starting with a cut through the overlapping metal.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 25 2019, 09:21 PM

And a further adjustment and test fit for all the rear pieces--almost ready to start welding. Fits are within about 1/16 inch and alignment looks good with my replacement trunk lid.


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Posted by: Superhawk996 Dec 26 2019, 09:19 AM

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Looking better.

My car has been clipped in the front and I'm not thrilled with the way it was done. Unfortunately it won't get done until I decide to paint the car. Too much other work going on right now! At one point they must have been teaching lap welds as the quick and dirty way to fix stuff because I see it done a lot.

The problem is that no one ever saw these cars as worthy of a proper fix and most prior 914 owners back in the day were just too cheap to have it done properly since 914's were NARP.

Times have changed. Keep up the great work.

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 26 2019, 09:07 PM

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Looking better.

My car has been clipped in the front and I'm not thrilled with the way it was done. Unfortunately it won't get done until I decide to paint the car. Too much other work going on right now! At one point they must have been teaching lap welds as the quick and dirty way to fix stuff because I see it done a lot.

The problem is that no one ever saw these cars as worthy of a proper fix and most prior 914 owners back in the day were just too cheap to have it done properly since 914's were NARP.

Times have changed. Keep up the great work.


Thanks. So far, none of the previous repairs meet even my lowest standard. And the lap joint in the rear fender was truly awful, with a jagged, irregular cut along the underlying edge (and nothing to even pretend sealing that inner joint).

Definitely learning as we go, and enjoying having my son do most of the welding.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 26 2019, 09:09 PM

Got the rear panel and outer fender welds mostly done.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 26 2019, 09:11 PM

Left side needed a 3/4 inch wide filler for the gap in the raised ridge below the tail light. Looks a bit crude, but will be better after grinding.


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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 26 2019, 09:12 PM

Same on the right side, but the gap was only 3/16 inch.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 26 2019, 09:14 PM

And what was the lap joint in the front panel, now ready for a tidy butt joint weld.


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Posted by: FourBlades Dec 27 2019, 09:47 AM


Nice work! first.gif

Great to fix things the correct way.

You are making rapid progress.

These cars are worth much more now then they were when new, kind of ironic.

John

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 27 2019, 09:48 PM

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Nice work! first.gif

Great to fix things the correct way.

You are making rapid progress.

These cars are worth much more now then they were when new, kind of ironic.

John


Thanks. It is fun indulging my sense of "doing it right", even if my skills are not pro level. And while I do not expect to make money, at least the hole will not be too deep.

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 27 2019, 09:52 PM

Getting the front seam stitched up, along with the horizontal brace (it needs a patch to fill the gap in the center).


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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 27 2019, 09:57 PM

Here are the accessory pieces I made for the rear: heavy gauge L-brackets for the bumper mounting holes below the floor, light gauge reinforcements for the holes above the floor, and reinforcing patches for the floor above the rear sway bar brackets.



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Posted by: Kansas 914 Dec 28 2019, 06:29 AM

Bob - you are doing everything right.

It was nice to see the progress in person Friday.

Keep up the great work and let me know if you need another set of hands after your son leaves.

Posted by: FourBlades Dec 28 2019, 08:28 AM


What are the reinforcement pieces for?

John

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 28 2019, 09:45 PM

John, the 1/8 inch thick L-braces are for the bumper mount holes under the trunk floor. They replace original factory braces that were pressed in a design too hard for me to duplicate. I created my own 18 gauge rectangular reinforcement for the upper holes. These have no big hole in the center yet. And the trapezoidal pieces double up the floor above the sway bar brackets that mount on the underside of the trunk floor.

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 28 2019, 09:48 PM

Got the trunk floor welded in, with plug welds all around, and some creative thick beads in the rear corners (these will get ground down).



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 28 2019, 09:50 PM

Lower bumper mount hole reinforcement, using 1/8 inch flat bar to replace the factory L-brace.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 28 2019, 09:51 PM

And my own additional brace for the upper bumper mount hole, to double the metal and add strength.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 28 2019, 09:54 PM

And a simple bent strip to bridge the gap between the left and right horizontal braces in the front trunk.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 28 2019, 09:57 PM

Now the fun part: fabricating brackets from 2 inch square tubing to attache the car to the rotisserie lift using the bumper mount holes. This is the back.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 28 2019, 09:58 PM

And the front, where greater curvature requires longer stand-off.



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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 28 2019, 09:59 PM

Here's the rear, with the horizontal mount from the lift bolted on.


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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 28 2019, 10:02 PM

Finally! The car is on the rotisserie lift. This was the big milestone I hoped for, with my son visiting for 2 weeks. His willingness to help, and welding skills, made it possible.


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Posted by: ndfrigi Dec 28 2019, 10:10 PM

wow @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=23343 you and your son are doing a lot of accomplishment each day! keep up the pace and for sure next summer the car will be on the road. thanks for sharing all the details!

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 29 2019, 10:03 PM

Final steps. First, we detached the suspension--took the front out as one assembly, including the steering rack. Then some final adjustment of the lift, and the car spins nicely onto its side.




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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 29 2019, 10:05 PM

Just the right position now for the next task: rehab the rusted floor.


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Posted by: bkrantz Dec 30 2019, 09:17 PM

Another view of the car on the lift. I bought this rotisserie from Northern Tool. The design has two key features. Hydraulic rams at either end allow easy lifting and dropping by about 18 inches. This made it easy to attach the brackets with the car on jack stands, and then elevate it enough to clear the side while rotating to sideways. The second feature allows for tuning the position of the car relative to the pivots, thus getting the center of gravity close to the rotation axis.



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Posted by: Kansas 914 Dec 31 2019, 08:02 AM

It appears you achieved your goal while your son was in town. At this point the work becomes fun!

Did you uncover any surprises when you removed the suspension?


Posted by: sixnotfour Dec 31 2019, 09:02 AM

wow your goin for it...your garage is @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=116 worthy... beerchug.gif

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wow your goin for it...your garage is @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=116 worthy... beerchug.gif


Jeff - he needs a few more bikes! wink.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Dec 31 2019, 09:23 PM

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It appears you achieved your goal while your son was in town. At this point the work becomes fun!

Did you uncover any surprises when you removed the suspension?


None obvious. We did drop the front as a complete assembly, and I still have to take it apart.

Posted by: raynekat Jan 1 2020, 05:45 PM

What? No updates on the 1st? w00t.gif welder.gif
Haha
Happy New Years Bob.
Your progress is looking great from way over here.

Posted by: Superhawk996 Jan 1 2020, 06:30 PM

Sweet Rotisserie. I've always like the type like this with the hydraulic ram.

I measured my garage and determined that I'll have to remove the garage door opener and the upper guide tracks if I hope to use a rotisserie. sad.gif

Looking like you've got this beat and are will on your way to easy street to work on the undersides.

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What? No updates on the 1st? w00t.gif welder.gif
Haha
Happy New Years Bob.
Your progress is looking great from way over here.


Thanks, Doug--back at you guys, too.

Shirlee wanted to get outside and enjoy another snowy day, so we hiked the ridge behind our house--about 1000 ft up.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 1 2020, 09:45 PM

And after that I got about an hour of garage time. Enough to separate the struts and steering rack from the front suspension, and pull the torsion bars.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 1 2020, 09:47 PM

Torsion bars look like blue strip coding.



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Posted by: Kansas 914 Jan 2 2020, 07:02 AM

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Torsion bars look like blue strip coding.

I'm sure you know this but don't mix up right and left torsion bars when re-installing. There should be a R & L stamped on the end.

Keep up the good work!

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QUOTE(bkrantz @ Jan 1 2020, 08:47 PM) *

Torsion bars look like blue strip coding.

I'm sure you know this but don't mix up right and left torsion bars when re-installing. There should be a R & L stamped on the end.

Keep up the good work!


Thanks for the reminder. I did see the L and R stamps.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 2 2020, 09:02 PM

And on the the floor, starting with some rough cuts between all the welded seams. Next step is drilling out LOTS of spot welds.


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Inside the center tunnel is the obligatory mouse nest.


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Posted by: raynekat Jan 2 2020, 09:33 PM

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Inside the center tunnel is the obligatory mouse nest.


Now that is pretty glorious....and Shirlee, I don't jest. wink.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 3 2020, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(bkrantz @ Jan 2 2020, 07:04 PM) *

Inside the center tunnel is the obligatory mouse nest.


Now that is pretty glorious....and Shirlee, I don't jest. wink.gif



And that's just the part I could not vacuum out through the holes in the top of the tunnel.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 3 2020, 09:09 PM

Now for the surgical removal of the rest of the rear floor, starting on the left side. BTW access on the rotisserie, and also raising the lowering the car height, is glorious.

First drill out the welds and remove the jacking donut.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 3 2020, 09:11 PM

Then drill out the welds and remove the triangular gusset.




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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 3 2020, 09:12 PM

Then a happy hour or so of drilling out spot welds along the sill, tunnel, and firewalls.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 3 2020, 09:13 PM

Then some sections can come free, exposing the interior firewall space--and a bit of surface rust (but not looking bad).


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 4 2020, 09:17 PM

Only had about an hour in the garage today, so just finished up the rest of the left side. I will get the remaining interior remnants once I spin the car to horizontal.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 4 2020, 09:19 PM

I discovered the trailing edge of the tunnel has welding, in addition to the spot welds.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 4 2020, 09:21 PM

Getting ready to work on the right side, which was down near floor level. With the lift feature of the rotisserie, I was able to raise the car about 18 inches, and make the working height much better. Nice feature.


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Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 5 2020, 06:26 PM

beerchug.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 5 2020, 09:08 PM

Got the other side done today. Now I need to grind off the spot weld remnants and clean up rusty metal--and look for any spots that need replacement.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 5 2020, 09:09 PM

Here's the rear floor, in pieces after removal.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 5 2020, 09:11 PM

Interior cross brace is also fully gone. Ground off a few surface welds (not spot welds) at the center tunnel.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 5 2020, 09:14 PM

Before fitting the new floor I have a few things to fix, including a dent in the bottom of the right long. Probably a dumb attempt to jack the car up from the middle. The photo makes it look like only the flange is pushed in, but the flat surfaces are also bent.



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Posted by: altitude411 Jan 5 2020, 09:22 PM

Fantastic work and photos. Thanks for posting. beerchug.gif popcorn[1].gif

Posted by: Kansas 914 Jan 6 2020, 06:26 AM

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Fantastic work and photos. Thanks for posting. beerchug.gif popcorn[1].gif

Agreed!

You are really doing a terrific job documenting your work to the benefit of anyone that will face this task in the future.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 6 2020, 09:28 PM

QUOTE(Kansas 914 @ Jan 6 2020, 05:26 AM) *

QUOTE(altitude411 @ Jan 5 2020, 08:22 PM) *

Fantastic work and photos. Thanks for posting. beerchug.gif popcorn[1].gif

Agreed!

You are really doing a terrific job documenting your work to the benefit of anyone that will face this task in the future.


Thanks, Mike. Documentation makes it more fun for me.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 6 2020, 09:32 PM

Now for the front corners. I had already explored the left side, so just some clean up (drill out the seam spot welds and clean up the sill surface). Sill looks solid.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 6 2020, 09:34 PM

Right corner floor looks about the same, just a slightly bigger area cut out. But the inner sill has a rust hole!


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 6 2020, 09:36 PM

Fortunately, the rust-through on the sill is small, and the rust was eroding from outside in. This should be easy to patch before jabbing a new floor corner.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 6 2020, 09:39 PM

Another sill problem: the inside of the left sill has the classic web of cracks, near the folded recess for grabbing the parking brake lever.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 6 2020, 09:41 PM

For better access I drilled out the rest of the spot welds to detach the left edge of the remaining floor. With the floor propped out, I ground a recess along each crack for better weld penetration.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 6 2020, 09:43 PM

Just for fun before quitting today, I mounted the replacement floor section. Fits nicely, but will need trimming on all sides.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 6 2020, 09:44 PM

And looks good on the inside.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 7 2020, 09:17 PM

Just some trivial work today, straightening one of the rear floor triangle braces.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 7 2020, 09:19 PM

Got distracted by the need to make progress in converting my garage lights from fluorescent to LED, with brighter and whiter light.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 7 2020, 09:22 PM

The problem is that not only are the LED "bulbs" direct wire, so cannot use the ballast, but the stock sockets are double-pole and must be replaced. I have to strip each fixture down to a bare shell, and then install new sockets.


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Posted by: Kansas 914 Jan 8 2020, 07:35 AM

LED replacements are well worth the time and money.

As I get older I can never have enough light in the garage. I am glad I did mine and might install a few more.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 8 2020, 09:35 PM

Finished the two fixtures above my work area. Replaced all the sockets and did the direct wiring.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 8 2020, 09:35 PM

Let there be light!


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 8 2020, 09:37 PM

Had just a bit of time to play, so I tackled the muffler shield. It was still attached to the remnant of the old trunk floor.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 8 2020, 09:40 PM

Drilled out some spot welds, and ground off beads on welded mounts, and then a little hammer work to remove some dents and straighten the edge.


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Posted by: GTSandberg Jan 10 2020, 03:02 AM

Super thread, superb craftmanship and thorough documentation. Keep it coming!

Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 10 2020, 03:36 AM

backdate the attachment method for the heat shield....screws,, see the 70s...

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 11 2020, 11:08 PM

QUOTE(GTSandberg @ Jan 10 2020, 02:02 AM) *

Super thread, superb craftmanship and thorough documentation. Keep it coming!


Thanks, and will do, after a break to visit my kids.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 11 2020, 11:09 PM

QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Jan 10 2020, 02:36 AM) *

backdate the attachment method for the heat shield....screws,, see the 70s...


What are the advantages?

Posted by: raynekat Jan 11 2020, 11:21 PM

I was thinking....maybe you could put hydrofoils on this car with a prop coming out of the back. Then you wouldn't need to buy that future bike?

I attached the muffler heat shield with screws on my car. It's been ceramic ally coated and is removable....as if I'll ever need to do that. Looks nice tho.
Good work there Bob.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 12 2020, 08:54 PM

QUOTE(raynekat @ Jan 11 2020, 10:21 PM) *

I was thinking....maybe you could put hydrofoils on this car with a prop coming out of the back. Then you wouldn't need to buy that future bike?

I attached the muffler heat shield with screws on my car. It's been ceramic ally coated and is removable....as if I'll ever need to do that. Looks nice tho.
Good work there Bob.


Thanks, Doug. Never too many bikes.

Posted by: aggiezig Jan 13 2020, 12:17 AM

Great build so far! Enjoyed reading your progress. Man, all that metalwork makes me thankful that I only had to do floors and trunks on my car. Keep up the good work beerchug.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 13 2020, 11:18 PM

QUOTE(aggiezig @ Jan 12 2020, 11:17 PM) *

Great build so far! Enjoyed reading your progress. Man, all that metalwork makes me thankful that I only had to do floors and trunks on my car. Keep up the good work beerchug.gif


Thanks. I am actually enjoying this more than I expected. That could change when I get to more finish work.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 20 2020, 09:21 PM

Back from "vacation" from my retired life, where I do some teaching, research, and consulting from my house in Colorado. Spent a week with my son in Arizona, and pretty much did the same thing.

Anyway, getting back to work on the 914, but first had to play with some new tools, including the Fein dust catcher attachment for the grinder. Works pretty well, and started on the welds around the floor seams.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 20 2020, 09:23 PM

Dang, the photo posting still does not want to honor my right side up. I have tried opening and saving photos in different ways--and 914World still posts things sideways.

Posted by: raynekat Jan 20 2020, 11:18 PM

Bob....this is what I do with all my photos....and it seems to work.

After you load them on your computer and before posting them, pull them up in some kind of viewer.
On my iMac, it's just the built-in photo viewer.
Then rotate them 90 deg, 90 again, 90 again, and another 90 to get them back to where they started from.
So rotate them through a total of 360 deg (another way to say the above).
Then save them.

Now you should be able to post the pics on 914World (or other sites) right side up.

I don't know why this goofy little photo dance seems to work, but it always has for me.
Gud luk! Ha

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 21 2020, 09:35 PM

Thanks, Doug. That may have worked! I reposted the photo to my previous post, and it looks right.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 21 2020, 09:37 PM

No garage work today. I only had a spare hour, and did this instead.


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Posted by: Kansas 914 Jan 22 2020, 06:06 AM

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No garage work today. I only had a spare hour, and did this instead.

I had a similar exercise as well. wink.gif

It was some wet heavy stuff.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 22 2020, 07:10 AM

QUOTE
It was some wet heavy stuff.

In UT. I call that WA. snow... barf.gif

dust collector// idea.gif popcorn[1].gif

Posted by: Kansas 914 Jan 22 2020, 09:33 AM

QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Jan 22 2020, 06:10 AM) *

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It was some wet heavy stuff.

In UT. I call that WA. snow... barf.gif

dust collector// idea.gif popcorn[1].gif

biggrin.gif

Jeff - I will remember that line. wink.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 22 2020, 10:02 PM

Back to work. First prepping all the joints, grinding out remains of spot welds and cleaning up metal.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 22 2020, 10:04 PM

Then fitting the new floor section. First trim the excess around the edges, and then cut the remaining floor piece to fit. Decided to keep as much of the RD panel as possible since some of the rust extended forward of the cross brace.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 22 2020, 10:06 PM

Other side.


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Posted by: Ferg Jan 22 2020, 10:35 PM

Just found this thread, Nice work!

Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 22 2020, 10:40 PM

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No garage work today. I only had a spare hour, and did this instead.

Unique looking house. smile.gif

Posted by: raynekat Jan 22 2020, 11:21 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 22 2020, 08:40 PM) *

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Jan 21 2020, 10:37 PM) *

No garage work today. I only had a spare hour, and did this instead.

Unique looking house. smile.gif


It is....but he likes that.
His last house was an igloo. confused24.gif rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Kansas 914 Jan 23 2020, 07:28 AM

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Just found this thread, Nice work!

Ferg,

Bob is doing a great job. It will be nice to have another 914 at Cars & Coffee in Durango!

Bob used to campaign a 914 in Texas a few years ago.

Posted by: Ferg Jan 23 2020, 08:11 PM

QUOTE(Kansas 914 @ Jan 23 2020, 06:28 AM) *

QUOTE(Ferg @ Jan 22 2020, 09:35 PM) *

Just found this thread, Nice work!

Ferg,

Bob is doing a great job. It will be nice to have another 914 at Cars & Coffee in Durango!

Bob used to campaign a 914 in Texas a few years ago.



Sounds like the Durango crew just keeps getting better driving.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 23 2020, 09:27 PM

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 22 2020, 09:40 PM) *

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Jan 21 2020, 10:37 PM) *

No garage work today. I only had a spare hour, and did this instead.

Unique looking house. smile.gif


Thanks. We found a local architect who designed the house to fit the site--and our preferences. Of course, I should have made the garage bigger.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 23 2020, 09:27 PM

QUOTE(raynekat @ Jan 22 2020, 10:21 PM) *

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 22 2020, 08:40 PM) *

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Jan 21 2020, 10:37 PM) *

No garage work today. I only had a spare hour, and did this instead.

Unique looking house. smile.gif


It is....but he likes that.
His last house was an igloo. confused24.gif rolleyes.gif laugh.gif


Only half the year.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 23 2020, 09:31 PM

QUOTE(Ferg @ Jan 23 2020, 07:11 PM) *

QUOTE(Kansas 914 @ Jan 23 2020, 06:28 AM) *

QUOTE(Ferg @ Jan 22 2020, 09:35 PM) *

Just found this thread, Nice work!

Ferg,

Bob is doing a great job. It will be nice to have another 914 at Cars & Coffee in Durango!

Bob used to campaign a 914 in Texas a few years ago.



Sounds like the Durango crew just keeps getting better driving.gif


I have really enjoyed getting to know the local car crowd, and feel welcomed. If we could only get Colorado DOT to stop laying down gravel instead of sand on winter roads.

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 24 2020, 10:07 PM

A few things to do before I can start welding in the floor. Item #1: welding the web of cracks in the left inner long, at the parking brake handle recess. A little sloppy (my excuse: upside down, which I could have corrected by rotating the rotisserie, but...).


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 24 2020, 10:08 PM

And then grinding (and then some more welding and grinding).


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 24 2020, 10:17 PM

And before I forget, I welded the rear sway bar mounts to the new trunk floor.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:29 PM

Item #2: Straightening the bottoms of both sills, with dents probably from jacking incidents. Here is the right sill.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:30 PM

And the left sill.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:31 PM

I made some studs that can be welded onto the sill seam, and screw into an adapter for my slide hammer.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:32 PM

One on each sill, welded onto the seam at the center of each dent.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:33 PM

Slide hammer in action. Each side took a good number of hard hits to get close to straight.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:34 PM

Left side, after cutting off the stud and grinding away the weld.


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And the right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:37 PM

Item #3: patching the hole in the front inner right sill, where rust ate through (fortunately from outside in). Here's the hole after cutting.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:39 PM

I made a patch from a section of 914 front fender.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:40 PM

Patch in place. Magnets are helpful.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:41 PM

Welded in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 26 2020, 09:42 PM

And after grinding. I was less aggressive, and left some of the weld since the sheet metal here is relatively thin.


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Posted by: Kansas 914 Jan 27 2020, 07:30 AM

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The great work continues!

Posted by: FourBlades Jan 27 2020, 11:25 AM


Nice job, making great progress! beerchug.gif

John

Posted by: bkrantz Jan 27 2020, 09:40 PM

Thanks, guys. Keeping the progress going...

Item #4: the. front floor corners. Here's the patch for the left side, again made from genuine 914 sheet metal.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 27 2020, 09:41 PM

Test fit.




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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 28 2020, 09:20 PM

Jumping ahead to #5: treating and painting the rust inside the lower firewall.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 30 2020, 09:31 PM

Back to Item#4: the floor front corners. I decided to reshape my patches to better duplicate the original floor channels.

Here's the left side, ready to weld.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 30 2020, 09:32 PM

And the right side, still needs a few tweaks.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jan 31 2020, 09:27 PM

Left side welded in, and a quick grinding. A few spots to re-weld and then grind it pretty.



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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 1 2020, 10:42 PM

Finishing up #4. Here's the left side done.



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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 1 2020, 10:43 PM

And from the inside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 1 2020, 10:45 PM

Right side welded in.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 1 2020, 10:46 PM

And ground down to almost pretty.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 1 2020, 10:48 PM

Since the front floor corners are where the front jack point donuts, mount, I decided to reinforce things on the inside.


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Left side welded in.


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And the right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 1 2020, 10:51 PM

While welding in the neighborhood, I filled in some holes in the floor from where a PO pop-riveted some sheet metal in a cheesy attempt to cover the holes in the floor.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 1 2020, 10:52 PM

With all the preliminaries down, its time to fit and weld in the rear floor panel. To make that easier, and avoid any asymmetric sag with the car sideways, I rotated the car to upside-down.


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Posted by: Kansas 914 Feb 2 2020, 07:47 AM

While I have been hibernating you have been busy.

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 2 2020, 09:22 PM

Got the floor panel fitted today. My plan to is do a few spot welds along the sides, tack a few spots on the butt seam with the front floor, and a few short beads along the rear edge. Then I can flip it sideways again to get all the flanges on the inside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 3 2020, 08:25 PM

Before welding on the new floor section, I painted the areas that will be inaccessible (inside the center tunnel and the firewall). That's Rustoleum self-etching primer.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 3 2020, 08:28 PM

While waiting for paint to dry, I started work on the rust at the base of the A-pillars. This is the right side. Note the small hole above the sill edge (and remember the car is currently upside down). That was probably from when somebody pulled the pillar straight from a previous collision--and did not bother to fix it.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 3 2020, 08:32 PM

Here is the rusted section cut out, after removing part of the sill edge.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 3 2020, 08:34 PM

And a cardboard template for the patch. (The left side is about the same, maybe a bit smaller.)


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 4 2020, 09:38 PM

No garage time today, but got some more body parts from AA and RD.


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Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 5 2020, 02:18 AM

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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 5 2020, 10:08 PM

Great. Now I have to check the rotisserie lock.

Posted by: raynekat Feb 6 2020, 05:56 PM

Yep.....just a whee bit left of the tin worm in there.
Doing a great job there Dr. Bob!

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 6 2020, 10:02 PM

Thanks, Doug. I may need to pick your brain soon. I hear little voices telling me about how I should "improve" the car and deviate from a stock restoration.

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 6 2020, 10:03 PM

Back to 914 work today. First up: finish the A-pillar patches. Here is the right side patch in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 6 2020, 10:04 PM

And welded in, ready for grinding.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 6 2020, 10:05 PM

Left side patch, a bit more challenging since the base of the A-pillar is curved inward for clearance for the fuel vapor hoses.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 6 2020, 10:06 PM

Tack-welded.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 6 2020, 10:09 PM

Finally on to attaching the new floor section. Here it is after tack-welding the butt seam (with metal work during welding to improve alignment), about 1/3 of the plug welds along the sills, and a few tack welds along the rear seam.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 7 2020, 09:37 PM

Allright! I flipped the car to right side up, and started work on the new floor cross member. Here is the piece as it cam from RD, with the ends notched for flange tabs but not bent.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 7 2020, 09:38 PM

After measuring and bending, here is one end after bending some.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 7 2020, 09:39 PM

After more fitting and bending, here is the cross member installed ready for welding.



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Posted by: Trophy Feb 8 2020, 12:13 PM

Nice work you are doing, what sort of tools are you using for the job, Welder's, spot weld cutters etc?

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 8 2020, 08:58 PM

Thanks. I have mostly electrical tools: 4.5 inch grinders (new Hein and old Bosch) with cutting, grinding, and flap-sanding discs, Makita die grinder with 2 inch cut-off discs and carbide grinding bits, Rigid reciprocating saw, plus cordless drills, drill press, etc. For welding, I have a Hobart MIG and Easton TIG. 95% of the welding on car sheet metal is MIG. For metal forming I just have some hammers, including body work hammers, dollys, and miscellaneous bits of metal bars or angles. I have been cutting spot welds with the Blair 3/8 inch cutter (and lots of bits to stay sharp) as well as standard drill bits.

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 8 2020, 09:05 PM

Just some incremental work today, mostly rescuing the brackets on the floor cross brace that hold the teeth for the seat tilt mechanism. Here is the left side, still attached to the section I cut out of the rusty floor.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 8 2020, 09:06 PM

Here's the bracket and surrounding sheet metal cut out.


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And finally both brackets, after removal of old sheet metal and welds, and initial cleanup.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 9 2020, 10:11 PM

Some progress on welding inside the floor panel, including the cross member. Until I ran out of MIG wire (next time, buy 2 spools).


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 9 2020, 10:15 PM

Also progress on the A-pillar bases. Ground down the welds on the left side.



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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 9 2020, 10:15 PM

And the missing piece of the sill ledge, in place for welding.


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Right side ground down.


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And right sill edge piece.


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Posted by: horizontally-opposed Feb 9 2020, 10:22 PM

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Feb 9 2020, 08:17 PM) *

And right sill edge piece.


^ Nice work—in an inspiring thread...wow!

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 10 2020, 10:11 PM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Feb 9 2020, 09:22 PM) *

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And right sill edge piece.


^ Nice work—in an inspiring thread...wow!


Thanks. Nothing fancy or as quality as some really talented people can do. I just figure I can learn by doing and get something functionally better.

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 10 2020, 10:12 PM

Right sill edge welded.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 10 2020, 10:14 PM

Right side floor interior welding done. Still a challenge to get the plug welds functional and pretty. I go for functional first.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 12 2020, 10:54 PM

And the left side done. Getting a little better at plug welding.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 12 2020, 10:56 PM

Left side sill ledge piece. Had a couple of burn-throughs so these beads are a bit fat.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 12 2020, 10:58 PM

An overall shot of the car--feeling like I have made some progress, and maybe over the hump. (At least this hump)


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 14 2020, 09:34 PM

So after 3 days of measuring and fitting and aligning, I was confident enough to weld in the seat bracket mounts. I did the hinges and floor mounts first, then lined up the front bracket that holds the tilt adjustment teeth.

Here's the left side:


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 14 2020, 09:35 PM

And with the seat mount in place. It tilts!


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 14 2020, 09:36 PM

And the right side:



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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 14 2020, 09:37 PM

This side tilts, too!



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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 14 2020, 09:38 PM

Only one more thing to weld on the floor interior. Any guesses?


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Posted by: bbrock Feb 14 2020, 10:08 PM

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Only one more thing to weld on the floor interior. Any guesses?


Carpet buttons.

Posted by: Kansas 914 Feb 15 2020, 07:37 AM

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Feb 14 2020, 08:38 PM) *

Only one more thing to weld on the floor interior. Any guesses?


E-brake mount?

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 15 2020, 09:04 PM

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Only one more thing to weld on the floor interior. Any guesses?


E-brake mount?


Here it is.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 15 2020, 09:04 PM

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Only one more thing to weld on the floor interior. Any guesses?


Carpet buttons.


Not planning to put these in--but you have a good eye!

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 15 2020, 09:07 PM

While the car is upright, I started welding in the rear cross member brace that goes on top of the trunk floor.


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Posted by: raynekat Feb 16 2020, 06:04 PM

Lots of great work going on there Bob. Keep it rolling. beer.gif

Posted by: FourBlades Feb 16 2020, 06:39 PM


Great job!

Getting close now.

John

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 16 2020, 08:50 PM

Thanks, guys. Starting to eye the firewall and hell hole.

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 16 2020, 08:51 PM

Bottom of the floor is nearly done! I flipped the car upside down to weld on the seat reinforcing strips and finish the welding along the butt seam between the front and rear sections.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 16 2020, 08:53 PM

Also welded on the front jacking donuts. Feeling good about the reinforcements I put on the inside surface of the floor above these.

Once I weld the rear floor edge seam, I can attache the rear gussets and donuts and the floor will be done!


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 17 2020, 09:28 PM

Got to the rear seam, at the base of the firewall in the engine compartment. Plug welded all the way across plus seam welding the edge of the center tunnel, just like original.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 17 2020, 09:29 PM

Last job on the floor: the rear corner gussets and jacking donuts. Here is on as it came from RD.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 17 2020, 09:30 PM

And after trimming to fit and punching holes.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 17 2020, 09:31 PM

Here's the right side welded in.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 17 2020, 09:32 PM

And the left side. The floor is done!


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 17 2020, 09:33 PM

Here's a preview of what is next: firewall, inner fender wall, and top of sill.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 19 2020, 09:47 PM

OK, now for what everyone has been waiting for (at least me): the hell hole, or what George wants us to call the slightly rusty battery area.

Here is the first cut taking out the rusty section of the firewall, mostly above the seam with the engine shelf.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 19 2020, 09:49 PM

Some of the rust extended below the shelf/upper-lower panel seam, down to the top of the sill.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 19 2020, 09:52 PM

Next, cutting out the top of the sill, and trying to separate the inner and outer layers of sheet metal. For now I stopped cutting where the outer layer shows only moderate to light pitting.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 19 2020, 09:53 PM

The good news: inside the sill I found only very minor surface rust, even on the bottom.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 19 2020, 09:56 PM

Now for the big hole, after cutting the inner fender wall from just above the battery tray level down to the sill.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 19 2020, 09:57 PM

Another view.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 19 2020, 09:58 PM

And from inside the rear fender.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 19 2020, 10:00 PM

A look at the engine mount.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 19 2020, 10:01 PM

Investigating between the back side of the mount and the sill face, seems like something is missing.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 21 2020, 09:13 PM

After deliberation and input from others on 914World (thanks!) I decided to leave the engine mount in place, at least for now. I dosed the joint between the mount and the sill with Corroseal.



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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 21 2020, 09:15 PM

Now to start filling in the holes I cut. Here's the patch for the inner fender wall, cut from the larger reproduction panel I got from AA.


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Posted by: bbrock Feb 22 2020, 10:18 AM

I think you made the right call on that engine mount. As usual. I'm in awe of the speed and quality of your work.

Posted by: Kansas 914 Feb 22 2020, 11:00 AM

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I think you made the right call on that engine mount. As usual. I'm in awe of the speed and quality of your work.

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I have seen this project in person a few times. The quality and speed of work is there but more importantly to note is Bob is a one man show. Very inspiring!

Posted by: FourBlades Feb 22 2020, 01:09 PM


Nice, neat welding job! welder.gif

You are making record time.

John

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 22 2020, 09:13 PM

Thanks, guys. I am lucky to have the time to play restoration almost every day.

Posted by: raynekat Feb 23 2020, 12:34 AM

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Thanks, guys. I am lucky to have the time to play restoration almost every day.


Yeah...your'e a slacker big time. Haha

Betch you miss Alaska?

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 23 2020, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(bkrantz @ Feb 22 2020, 07:13 PM) *

Thanks, guys. I am lucky to have the time to play restoration almost every day.


Yeah...your'e a slacker big time. Haha

Betch you miss Alaska?


Sometimes, but not so much in the extra long dark winter. Colorado mountains are at least as good, and the driving around here is way better.

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 23 2020, 08:27 PM

Before welding the inner patch in place, I wanted to take advantage of the hole to access the inside of the outer fender panel. This had a PO repair with LOTS of bondo.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 23 2020, 08:28 PM

The fill was at least 1/8 across the entire panel.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 23 2020, 08:30 PM

To minimize the mess I mounted the Fein dust shield on the angle grinder. Not 100% but much better than without it.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 23 2020, 08:31 PM

Got the panel cleaned up, and did some initial smoothing. More work to come.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 23 2020, 08:35 PM

I also started on the top of the sill. This normally has two layers of sheet metal, but I decided to add a third inner layer patch. This extends about 2 inches forward and rear of the hole.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 23 2020, 08:36 PM

Here it is welded in place. I will need to grind this down to fit the "middle" panel patch.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 23 2020, 08:37 PM

And at the same time I tack welded the inner fender wall patch, and got the edges aligned.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 24 2020, 09:42 PM

Did some grinding and then tried to finish the butt seam welding around the patch. Got it done, but very frustrating with lots of burn-throughs. The final result is ugly, with lots of thick spot welds and big boogers. That will lead to more quality time with my grinder.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 26 2020, 09:29 PM

After a couple of hours of quality time with my angle grinder and die grinder, things are looking better. A few spots and holes to re-weld.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 26 2020, 09:31 PM

Getting ready for the next patch, the outer layer on the top of the sill.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 27 2020, 09:03 PM

I feel like I am in a groundhog day loop with the inner fender wall patch. After grinding yesterday, I checked the weld with a light inside the fender. This revealed a Buch of pin holes and thin spots, and a few segments where the weld did not penetrate.

So weld (#2) all suspect areas.



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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 27 2020, 09:04 PM

And grind (#2).



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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 27 2020, 09:05 PM

Check with the light inside again, more holes!

Weld (#3).



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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 27 2020, 09:06 PM

Tomorrow, if I hear Sonny and Cher on the garage radio, I may go back to bed.

Posted by: bbrock Feb 27 2020, 09:19 PM

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Tomorrow, if I hear Sonny and Cher on the garage radio, I may go back to bed.

Boy do I know that pinhole routine. Thank goodness I never woke up to I've Got You Babe. av-943.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 28 2020, 09:25 PM

Well, I was hearing "I got you babe" again today for sure.

After grinding (3rd time) I had more holes and bad weld bits, especially in one spot.

So I finally did the right thing (I hope) and cut out the worst section. The size and shape shows where I was chasing a growing hole, especially into the original sheet metal.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 28 2020, 09:28 PM

I formed a new mini-patch and welded it in place--much better.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 28 2020, 09:30 PM

At the same time, I welded a few more holes around the original patch (4th time), and then ground them down (4th time). A quick look showed only a couple of pin hole around the new mini-patch. I might be able to beat the groundhog!


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 28 2020, 09:32 PM

BTW, here in the back(!) side of the small area I cut out. Pretty nasty (and not the work quality I am aiming for).


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 29 2020, 10:12 PM

I beat the groundhog!

I did hear a faint echo of Sonny and Cher, but after welding and grinding just 3 or 4 spots, the inner fender wall patch is done. Not pretty, but should finish fine after some cosmetic work later on.




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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 29 2020, 10:13 PM

Now time to move on. Here is the middle layer patch for the top of the sill, final fit.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 29 2020, 10:15 PM

And welded in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Feb 29 2020, 10:16 PM

And here is the top layer patch, nearly fitted.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 1 2020, 09:36 PM

Started welding on the last layer, beginning with the flange against the inner fender wall. Nice to have the car on the rotisserie, so I could weld with the flange and fender wall horizontal.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 1 2020, 09:40 PM

I ground down the welds along the flange and they looked good, so went on the weld the main part of the patch. Mostly straight-forward, except along the seam against the remaining original pitted metal. That led to some more ugly welds.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 1 2020, 09:42 PM

I still have to grind this down and check the weld success, but I am happy to be close to done on closing up the hell hole, only 6 months after I cut a hole in the top to explore for internal rust.


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Posted by: tygaboy Mar 1 2020, 10:56 PM

A bit of sawzall-smiley.gif smash.gif welder.gif

And now some piratenanner.gif aktion035.gif smilie_pokal.gif

Super job! Isn't it a great feeling when it's "job done"? Keep up the great work and detailed documentation.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 2 2020, 09:55 PM

Thanks. Milestones are good for my mental health, as are my documentations and posts.

Anyway, here is the finished (for now) product. A bit lumpy, but it should be functional and look OK, especially after prep and paint.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 2 2020, 09:56 PM

On to the firewall. Here's a cardboard template fit for the lower patch.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 4 2020, 08:44 PM

Small patch cut and formed, with holes in the flanges for plug welds.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 4 2020, 08:45 PM

Final fit.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 4 2020, 08:46 PM

After welding and grinding. Now time for the bigger hole...


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 4 2020, 08:47 PM

And from the engine side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 5 2020, 10:02 PM

Spent about an hour today working on forming the upper firewall patch, including the diagonal raised ribs. Still needs more work in the complex corner on the right side.


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Posted by: FourBlades Mar 6 2020, 08:13 AM


Looking good!

You are making good progress.

John

Posted by: 9146C Mar 6 2020, 09:20 AM

Very impressed with your fabrication work!

Posted by: tygaboy Mar 6 2020, 09:26 AM

Fabricationlous! smash.gif Nice looking patch piece. You're making great progress. smilie_pokal.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 6 2020, 06:03 PM

Thank, guys. Just a bit of time to play body shop today. The corner fold looks better, and I am ready to trim this patch.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 7 2020, 09:44 PM

Spent a couple of hours fitting the new patch. After the initial cut, I had it in and out about a dozen times--definitely trying to attain the Zen level of patience. Here it is near the end of fitting trials.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 7 2020, 09:45 PM

And after tack-welding. Time for more patience.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 8 2020, 07:09 PM

Welding done, and initial grinding. Might be a few spots to touch up.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 10 2020, 08:43 PM

On to the last thing in the hell hole area: the right engine shelf. Here is the piece from RD.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 10 2020, 08:45 PM

First fit check after my initial trim. I need only the front half of the shelf, and a bit more of the rubber seal channel.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 10 2020, 08:46 PM

And after about a dozen cycles of check, trim, bend, repeat. About 90% fitted.


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Posted by: raynekat Mar 10 2020, 10:49 PM

Looks good Bob.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 11 2020, 07:48 PM

Thanks, Doug. Still lots to do on the body shell (finish the shelf, remount the front fender, straighten the rear fender and rear panel, miscellaneous brackets and braces) and then both doors and the replacement trunk lid need a bit of work.

But we do this for fun, right?

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 12 2020, 08:25 PM

Had a couple of hours of garage time and worked to finish the fit. I could not get both ends just right, so I tried tack welding one end and working the fit as I welded towards the other end. Seemed to work OK.


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Posted by: Lilchopshop Mar 13 2020, 08:14 AM

Bob, I'm really enjoying your thread! Thank you for the excellent documentation! Its great to see that top-level workmanship can still be achieved without a fully-outfitted fabrication shop. This will be a great reference for me as I go through my project.

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Posted by: tygaboy Mar 13 2020, 08:42 AM

I'm going to start calling you Bob "Dunwright".

Thanks for saving your car and installing so very much love into it. Great stuff. smilie_pokal.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 13 2020, 08:36 PM

Thanks, guys. Encouragement always helps.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 13 2020, 08:41 PM

Got the engine shelf welding done. I am pretty happy with results except where I fumbled the grinder inside the groove for the rubber engine shelf seal. I will probably splice in a piece to fix this.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 13 2020, 08:43 PM

On to the rest of the issues in the engine compartment. First is the right trunk hinge bracket. Grinding out the old, torn bracket resulted in a couple of small holes (and some brass from the brazing done by the PO).



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 13 2020, 08:44 PM

After welding the grind the holes.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 13 2020, 08:46 PM

And after measuring, and re-measuring, I tack-welded the new bracket in place. I will triple-check the position tomorrow and finish the welds.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 13 2020, 08:48 PM

Meanwhile, I started the next task. Both the left and right engine lid hinge brackets were torn out. The PO "fixed" these by bolting through the firewall. Left side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 13 2020, 08:48 PM

Right side.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 13 2020, 08:50 PM

I cut out just enough to get straight edges, and did a bit of metal work to even things up. Left side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 13 2020, 08:50 PM

And right side. I will cut some patches tomorrow.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 14 2020, 08:07 PM

When I measured the right trunk hinge bracket today, I found it to be about 1/8 inch low. So I cut off the tack welds, repositioned, measured about 5 more times, and welded it in for good (I hope). My MIG welder is acting funny, so I may grind these semi-ugly welds and redo it once I figure out what is wrong.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 14 2020, 08:09 PM

Back to the engine lid hinges, here's the patch for the left side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 14 2020, 08:11 PM

And the right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 14 2020, 08:11 PM

Left side bracket in position.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 14 2020, 08:12 PM

And welded.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 14 2020, 08:13 PM

And right side.


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Posted by: raynekat Mar 14 2020, 08:56 PM

Yeah, those engine lid brackets need to be in the correct position. If too low, your engine lid will be too low and have a big gap on the leading edge. If too hight you could use some washers to space the lid down to the correct height.

Moral...better to be too high than too low.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 15 2020, 08:19 PM

I will find out before too much longer. Before any final body and paint work I plan to mount all the lids and doors to check alignment.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 15 2020, 08:20 PM

Last task in the engine compartment area is dealing with the festival of holes in the firewall, left by POs.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 15 2020, 08:21 PM

Here's my favorite. How and why did somebody do this?



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 15 2020, 08:24 PM

After straightening the sheet metal at some holes, I got the grinder with the paint stripping disk busy.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 15 2020, 08:27 PM

Looking ahead to the next job: repairing the sides of the cowl panel where it meets the tops of the front fenders. The front trunk lid opened too far, probably many times, and made contact with the cowl weatherstrip channel. This deformed the channel and tore the corner joint.

Here is the right side, where I have previously removed the fender.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 15 2020, 08:28 PM

And the left side.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 15 2020, 08:29 PM

But the left side had a surprise! First, some bondo in the channel, hiding distortion of the channel side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 15 2020, 08:32 PM

And then LOTS of bondo on the cowl top surface, hiding a big divot in the sheet metal. I can imagine the trunk lid flying up and whacking the cowl hard enough to bend it. But I can't imagine why somebody did not straighten it better, before slathering on 1/4 of bondo.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 16 2020, 09:03 PM

Festival of holes, part 2, is done. I patched and welded all the holes in the passenger side firewall...



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 16 2020, 09:04 PM

...driver side firewall...



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 16 2020, 09:05 PM

...and dash under-panel. Plus the front right inner fender wall.


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Posted by: raynekat Mar 16 2020, 10:34 PM

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Mar 15 2020, 07:19 PM) *

I will find out before too much longer. Before any final body and paint work I plan to mount all the lids and doors to check alignment.


Put windows in the doors and seals too.
I had a big issue of the doors seeming to fit, but when I installed the door glass and seals, nothing fit above the doors.
Meaning the opening for the side glass in the doors wasn't wide enough.

It necessitated me to push the entire windshield assembly, posts and all, forward.
Not the best of situations.
I accomplished it though and the side windows fit much better.

Posted by: raynekat Mar 16 2020, 10:35 PM

Bob....seems like you're going to have a field day grinding down all your welds?
Or are you doing it as you go?

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 17 2020, 08:28 PM

I try to spend time grinding as I go, but I have fallen behind. I definitely have some grinding party days ahead.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 17 2020, 08:30 PM

Speaking of grinding, at least bondo grinding, I decided to check out the right side of the cowl. Sure enough, about 1/8 inch of bondo. And then another surprise (but not completely).



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 17 2020, 08:33 PM

I guess PO decided not to have a radio antenna.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 17 2020, 08:35 PM

Got the Dremel tool out and cut the brazing. The hole is whole again.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 17 2020, 08:37 PM

And in keeping with PO repair quality, check the piece they brazed on the underside. Nice shape!


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 17 2020, 08:42 PM

One more job for the grinder: the left front fender. And if you are keeping score, this means the only panel not (yet) subject to repair or replacement is the left rear fender.

Anyway, I knew the front part of the fender had been repaired, with puller holes showing on the inside and some filler. Turns out quite a bit of filler.

The metal can be made lots better.


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Posted by: bbrock Mar 17 2020, 09:29 PM

Am I seeing right that the antenna hole is in the cowl? I've never seen one mounted there. Usually on driver's side fender or sometimes passenger side.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 18 2020, 08:31 PM

Thats my guess for the purpose of the hole. Now you reminded me to do more research for the standard location for 1973.

In any case, the metal is not really strong enough there.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 18 2020, 08:37 PM

Just a little time today to play 914, so I worked more on the right side of the cowl. I got the alignment pretty good, but the channel might need replacing.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 19 2020, 08:17 PM

Finished the festival of holes, with step 3: grinding. Here is the right side of the firewall.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 19 2020, 08:17 PM

And the left side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 19 2020, 08:18 PM

And the dash under-panel.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 19 2020, 08:20 PM

I also refilled the antenna hole in the right cowl. Besides not being a stock location, the metal is not strong or stiff enough. Here is a patch cut to fit from genuine 914 sheet metal.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 19 2020, 08:21 PM

Welded in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 19 2020, 08:22 PM

And after a quick grinding.


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Posted by: FourBlades Mar 20 2020, 07:40 AM


Nice work as always! smile.gif

You are really good at welding thin sheet metal.

Do you use copper backers or just have a really skillful trigger finger?

Do find the spark to be distorted when using strong magnets nearby?

John

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 20 2020, 09:02 PM

Thanks. I have a copper spoon and use it whenever I can. I have also learned (the hard way) to weld one dot at a time.

I have not noticed any affect from the magnets.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 21 2020, 08:08 PM

I got to try my latest tool acquisition: a shrinking disk. This is a polished stainless steel disk with a raised edge. On the grinder, it spins against sheet metal and the friction creates local heat. A quick spray of water cools and shrinks the hot spot.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 21 2020, 08:10 PM

I did this for about 20 minutes on the left side of the cowl, where previous deformation and repair had stretched the metal and created a 4 inch spot that oil-canned up and down. The shrinking worked great and made the cowl section flatter and more rigid.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 21 2020, 08:11 PM

After the shrinking work, I decided to cut out a smaller area than planned.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 21 2020, 08:12 PM

And I had time to fit a cardboard template for the patch. Too bad metal does not work as fast.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 22 2020, 08:11 PM

Translating cardboard into recycled 914 sheet metal. Here is the piece cut out and marked.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 22 2020, 08:13 PM

And after an hour of metal work, I had this. I evened managed to get some curvature in the piece.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 22 2020, 08:15 PM

And fitted into place.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 22 2020, 08:18 PM

While in the mood, I started on the last big job--reinstalling the right front fender. Here's the mounting flange on the A-pillar after cutting out a segment that was mangled.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 22 2020, 08:21 PM

And a small patch ready for welding.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 23 2020, 08:49 PM

MIG time today. First, the patch in the left side of the cowl.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 23 2020, 08:50 PM

Then a bit of grinding.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 23 2020, 08:51 PM

And then another session with the shrinking disk, to get the profile near right.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 23 2020, 08:52 PM

Then the right side, welding up the semi-rotten metal in the trough.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 23 2020, 08:53 PM

And ground down.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 23 2020, 08:54 PM

Finally, the section of the fender mounting flange.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 23 2020, 08:56 PM

Looking ahead, the next job is the last big task on the body shell: remounting the right front fender that I cut off months ago to start this restoration.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 23 2020, 08:57 PM

The fender needs a little work first, along the leading edge where it meets the side of the front panel, by the end of the bumper.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 24 2020, 07:43 PM

Got to work on the fender today. Here it is in a quick jig to stabilize it while I removed the crumple along the leading edge bumper recess. And my big movement tools (section of 2x4 and 4 lb hammer).


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 24 2020, 07:45 PM

With the recess 90% straight, the next step is stripping paint to expose the bare metal. Guess what--bondo!


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 24 2020, 07:46 PM

And with metal exposed, I can see what I need to fix: mostly along the leading 3 or 4 inches.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 25 2020, 08:10 PM

Before any more metal work, I wanted to see how the fender fits overall. Here is it roughly in place.


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Another view.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 25 2020, 08:14 PM

Besides dealing with the seam along the top, inside the weatherstrip channel, and the fit along the rear, the biggest challenge is the front, where the fender meets the front panel. Both were deformed, so I can't use one to guide the other.

Time for lots more measurements and comparing distances and angles from right side to left side. And also check against the frunk lid and bumper.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 25 2020, 08:16 PM

Looking inside the fender, where it meets the mounting flange on the A-pillar.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 25 2020, 08:18 PM

And from the back side of the A-pillar.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 25 2020, 08:20 PM

Yep, some quality time ahead.


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Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 26 2020, 06:28 AM

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Mar 23 2020, 06:49 PM) *

MIG time today. First, the patch in the left side of the cowl.

I think it would help to set the wire feed just a bit down. welder.gif
Less time grinding the welds down.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 26 2020, 07:28 PM

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 26 2020, 06:28 AM) *

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Mar 23 2020, 06:49 PM) *

MIG time today. First, the patch in the left side of the cowl.

I think it would help to set the wire feed just a bit down. welder.gif
Less time grinding the welds down.



Thanks for the suggestion. Each day it seems like the MIG responds differently.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 26 2020, 07:33 PM

After more tweaks and bends, and cutting the top seam to fit, I clamped the fender in place. I then started measuring and comparing from right side to left side.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 26 2020, 07:35 PM

I also propped the frunk lid in place, a good reference since this piece (not from this car) is almost certainly straight.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 26 2020, 07:37 PM

Fit by the cowl (the fender is just a bit low and too far out).


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 26 2020, 07:39 PM

The front corner. The front panel still needs to shift inward, confirmed by measured lengths and angles.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 26 2020, 07:41 PM

Along the headlight box, nearly there.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 26 2020, 07:42 PM

A-pillar inside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 26 2020, 07:46 PM

A-pillar outside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 27 2020, 08:32 PM

Still trying to assess and adjust the fender fit. I would like to bolt on the door, but really can't without setting the body down from the rotisserie, and removing the braces (which would require cutting). So I made a cardboard template directly from the door, and got it as close as I could accounting for the curvature. I think it is accurate except for the upper part of the leading edge.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 27 2020, 08:34 PM

Gaps are about 3/16 inch front...


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 27 2020, 08:34 PM

And rear. I don't think the fender should shift any more rearward (and probably not forward).


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 28 2020, 06:45 PM

No 914 work today. I did some office work in the morning, and then started on a big outdoor project: removing and thinning the scrub oak that are too close to the house. This should help reduce danger from brush fires.

Here's the boss checking the first 10 minutes of work.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 29 2020, 07:44 PM

After more brush clearing, I got back to the 914, still in measuring mode. I marked more reference points, and compared distances and angles from right to left.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 29 2020, 07:44 PM

And more.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 29 2020, 07:46 PM

I also installed the eyebrows, as another way to check alignment and compare. Here's the right side from above.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 29 2020, 07:47 PM

Left side from above.


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Right side from in front.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 29 2020, 07:48 PM

Left side from in front.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 29 2020, 07:51 PM

To me, the alignment looks pretty good--about as good on the right as on the left, and the dimensions are within 1/16 from side to side in most cases.

The only mismatch is the recess in the fender lap edge, where it clears the mounting area in the headlight box for the pivot.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 29 2020, 07:52 PM

Compared to the left side, where the recess sits more centered above the mounting point.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 30 2020, 08:27 PM

With the encouragement from fellow 914Worlders, I decided to do the right thing and mount the door in order to assure a good fit for the front fender. To do that, I had to remove the interior brace. And to do that, I had to lower the car onto jack stands and take the weight off the rotisserie mounts.

Odd to see the interior looking empty, without the brace for the first time in months.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 30 2020, 08:29 PM

I had doubts that the brace could come out in one piece, but with a bit of persuasion it did.



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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 30 2020, 08:34 PM

Here's the door in place, without much adjustment.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 30 2020, 08:36 PM

The rear gap looks just a bit narrow, but even from top to bottom.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 30 2020, 08:37 PM

The front gap is a little wider, but also even.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 30 2020, 08:39 PM

At the top, where the door, fender, and cowl come together, it looks good (the top of the door needs to move in--easy adjustment). I am feeling good about the fender position fit.


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Posted by: raynekat Mar 30 2020, 09:13 PM

Bob, my car has a slightly wider door gap in the leading edge (front) vs the trailing edge (rear). Just like yours. Now that doesn't mean it's correct, but that's just how mine is.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 31 2020, 08:43 PM

Somewhere between OCD perfection and famous 914 factory imprecision is the happy way. Or just keep the car in the dark.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 31 2020, 08:45 PM

Once last session to check the fender fit. I adjusted the door to align better.


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Posted by: bkrantz Mar 31 2020, 08:47 PM

The final judgement: this is good enough to proceed, and get the fender welded on.


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Posted by: Kansas 914 Apr 1 2020, 05:46 AM

Great work Bob!

I should have my cars out of their Winter nap soon if you need reference.

Happy April - stay well - cheers!

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 1 2020, 07:55 PM

Thanks, Mike. I agree that we got our last snow in town, and the city has been cleaning the grit off the roads.

I appreciate your offer, and will probably come up with questions and needs for measurements!

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 1 2020, 07:56 PM

Getting on with the final fender fit, working on all the seams and junctions now, starting with the top seam near the cowl.



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 1 2020, 07:57 PM

And near the headlight box.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 1 2020, 07:59 PM

And the junction with the front panel. Fun fitting lumpy to lumpy.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 2 2020, 08:04 PM

More fiddly work today. Welded the holes and tears in the fender, and some other minor bits.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 2 2020, 08:07 PM

And some adjustments to the front flange and the tabs on the headlight box wall.

I sure hope all this slow, deliberate fitting before I weld the fender on pays off.



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 3 2020, 07:46 PM

No 914 work today, since I spent the afternoon clearing brush and got pretty tired. But at least that job is done in time for our annual city curbside waste collection next week.

I did have enough energy to sit, look over the car, and make a list of all the things still to do before the rough body work is done. Even with some detail, the list fits on one page. The end is in sight!!!



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 4 2020, 08:48 PM

Last prep job is filling the gap in the weatherstrip channel. When I cut the fender for removal last year, I sliced down the middle of the channel.



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 4 2020, 08:49 PM

Here's the patch, made from more recycled 914 sheet metal. I even got some curvature to match the overall arc.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 4 2020, 08:50 PM

Welded in place, ground down, and trimmed to fit.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 4 2020, 08:53 PM

And finally, after fooling with it for almost 2 weeks, here is the fender welded in place. The alignment looks good--I hope I can say that after final assembly with the frunk lid and bumper in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 5 2020, 08:19 PM

Today, I finished the rest of the plug welds inside and along the front seams, and did some quick grinding.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 5 2020, 08:20 PM

And completed welding the seam in the top channel. The fender should be pretty well stuck on.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 5 2020, 08:23 PM

I removed the door, re-installed the interior brace, and lifted the car off the jack stands. Next is the first of the "minor" list jobs, tidying up the rear panel.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 6 2020, 08:33 PM

Got a start today, on the left side. When I last touched this area in December, I left some crude weld spots.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 6 2020, 08:34 PM

After some grinding, a quick check of tail light fit.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 7 2020, 07:57 PM

Another day without 914 progress. My excuse is that I played tire shop today, and swapped out snow tires for summer or off road rubber on my 991, Benz wagon, and Suburban.


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Posted by: Kansas 914 Apr 8 2020, 09:27 AM

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Another day without 914 progress. My excuse is that I played tire shop today, and swapped out snow tires for summer or off road rubber on my 991, Benz wagon, and Suburban.

Well Done!

My goal is too wake the cars up today - uncover - start them up - get them in the sunshine and fill them with fresh gas!


Posted by: bkrantz Apr 9 2020, 08:00 PM

I had a couple of hours today for 914 work. That was enough to finish up the left trunk corner.

Here is the gusset/trunk lid bumper stop in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 9 2020, 08:03 PM

After welding and grinding. I have to fill some gaps and build up missing metal.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 9 2020, 08:05 PM

And a quick check with the tail light in place.


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Posted by: gms Apr 9 2020, 08:37 PM

The car is coming along nice!

Posted by: frostyf Apr 9 2020, 10:38 PM

Just wanted to say, I'm stuck in due to COVID and was browsing through the world (as a favourite past-time) and have just gone through your thread from start to finish. Its really inspiring to see your approach and welding skills - thank you for the detailed photos. Might make me consider approaching some of the welding my 73 is going to need before too long. Great work and can't wait to see the rest!


Posted by: bkrantz Apr 10 2020, 09:19 PM

Thanks, guys. I always appreciate the encouragement.

Posted by: Bmw635 Apr 10 2020, 11:43 PM

Need to find a house with a shop like yours. Life would have been easier.

Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 11 2020, 07:10 AM

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Another day without 914 progress. My excuse is that I played tire shop today, and swapped out snow tires for summer or off road rubber on my 991, Benz wagon, and Suburban.



Great Job. If only more people would run the appropriate tire for the season. Don't get me wrong I've run all season tires too but the fact is all season tire = stromberg.gif They are just a compromise at everything.


And on a serarate note, the car is coming along nicely! aktion035.gif

Posted by: bbrock Apr 11 2020, 08:08 AM

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 11 2020, 06:10 AM) *

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Apr 7 2020, 09:57 PM) *

Another day without 914 progress. My excuse is that I played tire shop today, and swapped out snow tires for summer or off road rubber on my 991, Benz wagon, and Suburban.



Great Job. If only more people would run the appropriate tire for the season. Don't get me wrong I've run all season tires too but the fact is all season tire = stromberg.gif They are just a compromise at everything.


Wait... what? All-season tires are my go-to SUMMER tire. No way would I run a true summer tire around here. Here it is Easter weekend and I'm getting ready to go outside to hook up the snow plow. Expecting up to 9 inches over the weekend and we already have a good start on it.

Love the progress on the build. You've done a couple years of work here since what... October? Amazing. pray.gif

Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 11 2020, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 11 2020, 06:10 AM) *

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Apr 7 2020, 09:57 PM) *

Another day without 914 progress. My excuse is that I played tire shop today, and swapped out snow tires for summer or off road rubber on my 991, Benz wagon, and Suburban.



Great Job. If only more people would run the appropriate tire for the season. Don't get me wrong I've run all season tires too but the fact is all season tire = stromberg.gif They are just a compromise at everything.


Wait... what? All-season tires are my go-to SUMMER tire. No way would I run a true summer tire around here. Here it is Easter weekend and I'm getting ready to go outside to hook up the snow plow. Expecting up to 9 inches over the weekend and we already have a good start on it.

Love the progress on the build. You've done a couple years of work here since what... October? Amazing. pray.gif


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20845

In your locale, you should probably just have two cars. One with summer tires to be used Jul-Sep, and one with winter tires for the rest of the year. Easier than swapping tires. av-943.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 11 2020, 08:34 PM

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 11 2020, 07:10 AM) *

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Apr 7 2020, 09:57 PM) *

Another day without 914 progress. My excuse is that I played tire shop today, and swapped out snow tires for summer or off road rubber on my 991, Benz wagon, and Suburban.



Great Job. If only more people would run the appropriate tire for the season. Don't get me wrong I've run all season tires too but the fact is all season tire = stromberg.gif They are just a compromise at everything.


And on a serarate note, the car is coming along nicely! aktion035.gif


I was semi-dedicated to running real snow tires until I lived in Alaska, and then I became a true believer. Now my challenge is the variable seasons around SW Colorado, depending on elevation and which way I head. This time of year, it can feel like summer down low, but the high passes still get snow.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 11 2020, 08:36 PM

Today, I started on the right trunk corner, with bigger challenges than the left side. I have the same crude welding and gaps at the upper edge junction.



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 11 2020, 08:38 PM

But a bigger issue is where the inner and outer fender panels meet around the tail light opening. The edges are pretty chewed up.


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View from the inside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 11 2020, 08:43 PM

My plan is to start with a patch strip around the opening on the inside. This should give me something to work with.


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Check fit with tail light.


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Posted by: tygaboy Apr 11 2020, 10:16 PM

I feel for you, brother! I did a similar repair in that area. A bit of contorting to get in there.
Just keep knocking it out - you're doing great! aktion035.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 12 2020, 08:06 PM

Thanks. My mantra when things get tough is to slow down. And keep going.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 12 2020, 08:08 PM

Got back at it today, with the car still sideways.

I started by welding in the top edge, that has a flange with variable angle.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 12 2020, 08:09 PM

The lower piece is flatter, with some holes for plug welds.


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And welded in place (inside).


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 12 2020, 08:11 PM

With the car rotated back to horizontal (love the rotisserie!), here's the view from the outside. Now I have something solid to work with.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 12 2020, 08:13 PM

After welding the ragged edges and building up metal where missing, and then grinding, I got it at least 80%. Still needs some touch-up, but better than I hoped.



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 12 2020, 08:14 PM

Test fit with the tail light. Sits straight.


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View from inside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 13 2020, 07:52 PM

Got the right side done today. First some touch-up welding around the tail light opening.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 13 2020, 07:53 PM

Ground down and god enough (for now).



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 13 2020, 07:54 PM

On to the top. Here's the corner gusset in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 13 2020, 08:00 PM

And after a bunch of welding and grinding, and more welding and grinding.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 14 2020, 07:49 PM

With the trunk corners done, I am on to the list of remaining small tasks.



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 14 2020, 07:51 PM

Headlight box drain tube.



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 14 2020, 07:52 PM

Bottom side of engine lid hinge mounts.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 14 2020, 07:53 PM

Next up, the muffler shield.


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Posted by: raynekat Apr 14 2020, 08:55 PM

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Next up, the muffler shield.


Bob....mine is removable.
Plus I had it ceramic coated to keep the heat out of the rear trunk.
Unsure if that worked or not, but the theory was sound. wink.gif

I'll have to see if I have pics from my build.
But just think....screws to hold the shield to the standoffs.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 15 2020, 09:14 PM

Thanks, Doug. I remember that from your build, and it has me thinking.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 15 2020, 09:15 PM

No real work today, but I did look over the body shell again, and found a few more things for the list.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 16 2020, 09:40 PM

I got started on the muffler shield. I want this to be bolt on, but no holes in the trunk floor. I removed the 6 original legs and fabricated 2 brackets with bolts welded in as studs.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 16 2020, 09:43 PM

Here's the shield with the new brackets bolted on for placement on the trunk floor.


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Posted by: Kansas 914 Apr 17 2020, 06:30 AM

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Here's the shield with the new brackets bolted on for placement on the trunk floor.

I really like this idea and glad you made the extra effort to do it this way.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 17 2020, 08:20 PM

Thanks, me too. The shield sits in the stock location +/- 1/4 inch. And it seems plenty rigid.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 17 2020, 08:21 PM

Here is one of the new brackets welded in place.


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Both brackets.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 17 2020, 08:22 PM

And the shield bolted on. Done with this and crossed off the list.


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Posted by: Bmw635 Apr 17 2020, 09:09 PM

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Both brackets.


Are you putting seam sealer in the pan seams?

Posted by: BeatNavy Apr 18 2020, 05:56 AM

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Here's the shield with the new brackets bolted on for placement on the trunk floor.

I really like this idea and glad you made the extra effort to do it this way.

agree.gif I've been contemplating best way to do as well. I've been running without it for the last few weeks, but it probably needs to go back on. I like this approach.

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Both brackets.


Are you putting seam sealer in the pan seams?


That is part of my plan, both brush-on and spray-on.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 18 2020, 07:48 PM

I decided to weld the U-holes in the passenger floor. I would rather have the simplicity than the original details.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 18 2020, 07:53 PM

And now onto the channel for the weatherstrip around the frunk opening. First, identifying all the rusted segments. These include the front edge (pretty much all on the inner side):



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 18 2020, 08:49 PM

Left headlight box.


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Detail:



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Right headlight box:



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More ugly details:


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 18 2020, 08:54 PM

Time for surgical removal. I am trying to minimize replacement.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 18 2020, 08:55 PM

More:


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And more:


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 18 2020, 08:58 PM

The biggest section I removed was the inner side of the front edge. As always, the tools pile up during a job.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 18 2020, 09:00 PM

Today, the hero tool was the Dremel. We will see how long this one lasts.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 19 2020, 08:30 PM

I started piecing the channel back together today, with the new stock from 914 Rubber. Thanks, Mark.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 19 2020, 08:32 PM

The piece cut for the front left corner.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 19 2020, 08:33 PM

I managed to get a bit of curvature, to match the original arc.


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Fit in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 19 2020, 08:36 PM

And welded in. I had pretty good luck with the thin gauge metal edges, even a bit of corrosion.


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Right front corner piece.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 19 2020, 08:37 PM

In place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 19 2020, 08:39 PM

I started to tack weld this, and...the wire ran out. Always at an inconvenient moment, right? I had one more spool in my stock.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 19 2020, 08:40 PM

Back to welding. I can grind these first corner pieces tomorrow, and get on with the next bits.


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Posted by: Baker17 Apr 20 2020, 09:07 PM

Your work is inspiring and will be a reference when I finally start my 914. I have a question though and I am sorry if it is a silly one but here it goes: why didnt you have the shell blasted before you started all the work? It seems to me that it would have been easier to see all the problem areas and would have helped with the welds? Again, this is a question from a soon to be first timer.... idea.gif

PS: You make a very good case for a rotisserie. But it is so expensive....

Cheers

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 21 2020, 08:53 PM

My delay in blasting was a combination of poor planning--and not expecting to get this deep. By the time I realized I was into a complete tear down, it was too late to get any external sources for paint stripping.

As for the rotisserie, I am hoping that when done I can sell it for a good part of my purchase price (unless my son claims it).

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 21 2020, 08:55 PM

Back to work, just an hour yesterday and a couple today. For me, short stints seem to work better for small pieces.

Grinding the first bits from Sunday. Left side:


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Right side:


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Next piece for the left side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 21 2020, 08:59 PM

Welded in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 21 2020, 09:00 PM

Same piece for the right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 21 2020, 09:00 PM

Welded in place.


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Inner corner piece for the right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 21 2020, 09:03 PM

Welded.


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Last piece for the right side?


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Welded.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 21 2020, 09:06 PM

Here's the right side, almost done.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 22 2020, 07:39 PM

First, I caught up with grinding the pieces from yesterday.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 22 2020, 07:40 PM

More grinding.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 22 2020, 07:41 PM

And more grinding.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 22 2020, 07:44 PM

The last bit is the inner edge of the channel all along the front. I had to cut down the stock width of the L, and give it the same curvature as the front of the car.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 22 2020, 07:45 PM

Got it tacked in place before quitting time.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 23 2020, 08:11 PM

I finished up the frunk channel today. Before final welding along the front, including the latch mounting plate, I made sure I had the same angle across the channel from left to right.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 23 2020, 08:13 PM

Here's the latch welded on. Don't worry, I ground this into something pretty.



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 23 2020, 08:16 PM

After welding the front channel "seam" and grinding that.



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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 23 2020, 08:17 PM

Frunk channel all done, and another item crossed off the list.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 24 2020, 08:33 PM

With the frunk channel done, I switched to the read panel. This was the last bit of bodywork with significant filler (than know of--knock on wood).

Here's the panel before grinding off the filler.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 24 2020, 08:34 PM

And after.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 24 2020, 08:36 PM

Some dents and dings, and holes from the PORSCHE reflector panel installed by a PO.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 24 2020, 08:38 PM

The reflector panel holes will get welded, and the stock holed for the original insignia will get cleaned of bondo.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 24 2020, 08:40 PM

For access to the inside of the panel, I removed the trunk lock mounting plate.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 24 2020, 08:41 PM

Here's the mounting plate. Pretty lumpy.


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Posted by: raynekat Apr 24 2020, 09:27 PM

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Apr 24 2020, 07:41 PM) *

Here's the mounting plate. Pretty lumpy.


Hey, I like my smashed pototos lumpy. rolleyes.gif

Looking good there Robert with all your progress.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 25 2020, 08:20 PM

QUOTE(raynekat @ Apr 24 2020, 09:27 PM) *

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Apr 24 2020, 07:41 PM) *

Here's the mounting plate. Pretty lumpy.


Hey, I like my smashed pototos lumpy. rolleyes.gif

Looking good there Robert with all your progress.


Thanks, Doug. Still thinking positive here, lumps and all.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 25 2020, 08:23 PM

For better access I unbolted the rotisserie rear upright, with the car on jack stands.


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Now I can see the worst spots.


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And this.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 25 2020, 08:27 PM

I propped the trunk lid in place, to compare alignments. The lid has its own issues, including a dip along the trailing edge.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 25 2020, 08:28 PM

Right side looks pretty good.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 25 2020, 08:29 PM

Left side not so great. The problem is mostly a "droopy" lid edge.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 26 2020, 08:58 PM

I worked more today to get things "straight": the top and bottom of the raised boss, and the top edge of the rear panel.

After some moderate metal work, things looked a little better.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 26 2020, 08:59 PM

Eye-balling along the lower edge of the boss. Ignore all the lumps for now.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 26 2020, 09:00 PM

Watching the angles.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 26 2020, 09:02 PM

When things where looking nearly straight by eye, I rigged up my long level as a reference line. Looking pretty good, with a variance of about 1/16 inch.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 26 2020, 09:04 PM

But the trunk lid has its own problems, especially along the rear edge.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 26 2020, 09:06 PM

As I started to work the trunk lid edge, I heard a crunch, and my rust-free lid suddenly had a rust-trough hole. Damn. (See my other thread asking for advice)


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 26 2020, 09:07 PM

Anyway, I kept working the lid edge and got things a bit better before quitting.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 26 2020, 09:08 PM

Looks good enough for a 10 foot car, but I want better.


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Posted by: raynekat Apr 26 2020, 09:59 PM

Great pic here Bob.
Well...spend a bit more time tweaking the trailing edge of your rear "bonnet" and I think you'll be very satisfied with the result.

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Anyway, I kept working the lid edge and got things a bit better before quitting.

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Great pic here Bob.
Well...spend a bit more time tweaking the trailing edge of your rear "bonnet" and I think you'll be very satisfied with the result.

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QUOTE(bkrantz @ Apr 26 2020, 08:07 PM) *

Anyway, I kept working the lid edge and got things a bit better before quitting.



Yep, I consider bodywork the next phase, or two. First, I want to work the metal to get it as good as I can, and then later need only some thin filler.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 27 2020, 08:22 PM

I decided to take a break from the rear, and work on the front left fender. To get enough flex in the outer curve next to the turn signal hole, I had to cut slots in the flange. Once I got the profile correct, I welded the flange. Things got rigid again and held the correct curve.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 27 2020, 08:24 PM

Next, I welded all the puller holes from the PO repair. And, I committed to my first mod: shaving off the warts, and filled those holes as well.

Sorry, I should have told purists to look away. biggrin.gif


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Posted by: bbrock Apr 27 2020, 08:29 PM

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Apr 27 2020, 08:24 PM) *

Next, I welded all the puller holes from the PO repair. And, I committed to my first mod: shaving off the warts, and filled those holes as well.

Sorry, I should have told purists to look away. biggrin.gif


Dude. I've discovered I'm much more of a purist than I thought, but even I couldn't bear to put those ugly warts back on my car. It looks so much nicer without them.

Watching your work is really awe inspiring. I know you said this isn't your first rodeo, but just how many rodeos have you had? Watching your work is inspiring and - a little annoying. happy11.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 27 2020, 08:30 PM

After grinding the welds, I got the fender shape about 90% right.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 28 2020, 08:16 PM

To get the next 5% I am going beyond where I stopped in the past (and where I would use thicker filler to get the final profile).

So I am trying to learn new tools and techniques. Like using a template gauge, and taking profiles from an unmolested fender to guide my work on the victim fender.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 28 2020, 08:17 PM

Take the curve from here...


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 28 2020, 08:18 PM

And use it to judge the work here. Gaps still need work.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 28 2020, 08:19 PM

Getting closer to 95%.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 28 2020, 08:20 PM

And after some additional work by eye and feel. I have another new technique to try for even more refinement.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 28 2020, 08:21 PM

But meanwhile, plugging the wart holes on the right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 28 2020, 08:22 PM

This fender also needs some shaping, especially along the front and lower corner.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 28 2020, 08:23 PM

Working through the welding list.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 28 2020, 08:24 PM

And getting started on the shaping list.


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Posted by: raynekat Apr 28 2020, 08:45 PM

This man knows no fear.....go get 'em Bob.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 29 2020, 07:44 PM

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This man knows no fear.....go get 'em Bob.


Maybe too dumb to know any better--but still happy!

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 29 2020, 07:47 PM

I only had about 30 minutes in the garage today. I spend most of the day listening to and grading student presentations (senior thesis projects), and then did a stint of yard work to keep the boss happy.

I did have time to mark reference lines on the right front fender, check the profiles, and do a bit of banging.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 30 2020, 08:22 PM

Got to use the magic tool again today (shrinking disk). The section I was working had some mild oil-canning.


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Posted by: bkrantz Apr 30 2020, 08:22 PM

Then I got on to shaping, and things are close to matching profiles.


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Posted by: aggiezig May 1 2020, 12:23 AM

Just dropping in to admire your progress. You have some serious metalworking skills and a ton of patience. Can't wait to watch your car continue to come together.

Posted by: bkrantz May 1 2020, 08:51 PM

Thanks--just learning as I go. My secret weapon is that I don'r know enough to doubt my chances for success.

Posted by: bkrantz May 1 2020, 08:53 PM

On the the next phase, trying to get the fender as smooth as possible. I might have fantasies about getting the metal ready for paint, but I can settle for a surface as smooth as possible, and then a minimum amount of filler.

First step is using some guide coat spray.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 1 2020, 08:55 PM

That provides a uniform matte black coat. The surface looks pretty good.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 1 2020, 08:57 PM

Then a a light sanding, to reveal the highs and lows--things look a little rougher now!

Now to raise the low spots and tap down or grind the highs.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 1 2020, 08:59 PM

I also got started on the right rear fender, laying out guidelines to compare profiles.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 1 2020, 09:00 PM

Here are the some lines on the left side to use as profile models.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 2 2020, 09:09 PM

Had a fun visit by a local 914 friend today, who brought his raspberry 6. We had fun talking 914 and other car stuff, and I was able to get a look at some details that will help me. Thanks, Mike!

I then got back to work, but found that my grinding broke though some of the puller hole welds, so I took a few steps back, and re-welded.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 2 2020, 09:11 PM

Of course, that means re-grinding, re-shaping, and re-smoothing.


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Posted by: BeatNavy May 3 2020, 06:27 AM

If it's not too much trouble at some point can you explain how you are using the index / guide lines on the fender? I get it conceptually, but this looks interesting and potentially helpful. And I need to get better at this...

Thanks.

Posted by: Kansas 914 May 3 2020, 08:19 AM

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Had a fun visit by a local 914 friend today, who brought his raspberry 6. We had fun talking 914 and other car stuff, and I was able to get a look at some details that will help me. Thanks, Mike!


Anytime Bob - it was nice to get out and see your work first hand.

Posted by: bkrantz May 4 2020, 08:18 PM

Just for you, Rob, I took some photos of my procedure with the template gauge.

Step 1: "zero" the gauge by pressing against something flat.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 4 2020, 08:19 PM

Step 2: press against the fender, holding the gauge perpendicular and along the selected line.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 4 2020, 08:21 PM

Step 3: Now hold the gauge (gently) along the same line on the other side, and note the misfit. Areas to be raised or lowered are obvious.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 4 2020, 08:22 PM

Step 4: repeat the process along all the lines. I start with the central vertical line, then the central horizontal line, and after that work my way out.

Posted by: bkrantz May 4 2020, 08:23 PM

After about an hour, I got the right fender profiles pretty close to the left side.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 4 2020, 08:25 PM

I then went back to the front fenders, trying to level out the high spots, followed by another guide coat and sanding. I might be getting as close as I can without going nuts.

Here's the left side.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 4 2020, 08:25 PM

And the right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 4 2020, 08:26 PM

And I took a quick look at the rear panel. More work to do.


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Posted by: BeatNavy May 5 2020, 04:42 AM

Ok, that helps fill in the gap, thank you! I've got a small version of one of those profile gauges, but nothing like that for car body work. The tool whore in me may need to acquire one of those.

Appreciate it beer.gif

Posted by: bkrantz May 5 2020, 09:42 PM

Never enough tools!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001C06BBE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Posted by: bkrantz May 6 2020, 08:00 PM

First job today was to weld up the "extra" holes in the rear panel, and then give it another pass of metal work.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 6 2020, 08:03 PM

I then gave the other panels another smoothing pass. I might be getting these as good as I can. The photos might not show that the highs and lows differ by only about a mm or less.

Front left


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Posted by: bkrantz May 6 2020, 08:06 PM

And I made a first check of the right rear fender. More work to do here.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 7 2020, 08:20 PM

I took a break from panel work today. The first task was replacing a broken stud for the trunk lid torsion bar bracket on the right side. The PO repair was a hole drilled and tapped "nearby".


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Posted by: bkrantz May 7 2020, 08:22 PM

First step was to cut off the remains bit of stud, and then drill through the flange inside the long.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 7 2020, 08:22 PM

Then I tapped the new hole (M8 x 1.0).


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Here's the new stud screwed in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 7 2020, 08:24 PM

And then tack-welded (along with the PO hole) and ground down to accept th bracket.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 7 2020, 08:26 PM

Next, I went to work on the trunk lid. As I previously reported, this replacement lid had a rust-through in the inner rib along the trailing edge. I had cut out the rusted section and cleared out some of the inner foam.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 7 2020, 08:28 PM

Today, I went after more of the foam. I managed to clear it from the side with the access hole and through the center latch area.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 7 2020, 08:29 PM

I broke out the bore scope to see the degree of rust and remaining foam.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 7 2020, 08:31 PM

Here's a shot from inside the space between the rib and the trunk lid skin. Looks like the worst rust is where I cut out the original spot. But still lots of foam to extract from the other side.


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Posted by: raynekat May 7 2020, 10:06 PM

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Here's a shot from inside the space between the rib and the trunk lid skin. Looks like the worst rust is where I cut out the original spot. But still lots of foam to extract from the other side.


Now that's something you don't see everyday!

The "money" shot.
Well done there Bob.

Posted by: Kansas 914 May 8 2020, 08:32 AM

I wonder if there is a chemical that would "eat" the foam and not damage the metal?

Posted by: bbrock May 8 2020, 10:40 AM

QUOTE(Kansas 914 @ May 8 2020, 08:32 AM) *

I wonder if there is a chemical that would "eat" the foam and not damage the metal?


Not fun to work with but toluene or xylene would probably do it. I'm no chemist but that stuff seems to like to eat foam in my limited experience.

Posted by: BeatNavy May 8 2020, 03:50 PM

Is that the same foam used in the body above tail lights (and in sail panel)? I think @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=1143 recommends just spraying brake cleaner on it. He says that dissolves it pretty nicely. At least I think it was brake cleaner.

Posted by: bkrantz May 8 2020, 08:55 PM

Not sure. The foam in the trunk lid rib is yellow, very rigid, and somewhat porous. What I dug out of one rear fender is white, slightly flexible, and rubbery.

Posted by: bkrantz May 8 2020, 08:57 PM

In any case, I made a foam scooping and pulling tool out of a piece of 1/4 inch steel rod. Stiff enough to work but bendable to change the angle of the "head" inside the rib.


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After a couple of hours:



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Posted by: bkrantz May 8 2020, 08:58 PM

I got 99% of the foam. And the rust looks minimal.


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Posted by: gereed75 May 9 2020, 04:45 AM

Some brake cleaners may work to dissolve foam, but there are various formulations.

Generally acetone is effective for dissolving most plastics and foams. It is readily available at big box stores. Never really tried it on Porsche foam. Also very rough on paint. Use carefully.

Posted by: Dion May 9 2020, 06:24 AM

I don’t know how I missed this thread, maybe the title threw me off.
Just read it to here. FANTASTIC WORK. I’ll be following now.
Awesome that your son is involved too. Look forward to more.
Cheers

Posted by: bkrantz May 9 2020, 08:11 PM

Thanks, Dion. Doing the work, and the documentation, keeps me going.

Posted by: bkrantz May 9 2020, 08:12 PM

Speaking of foam, has anyone replaced the foam in the trunk lid rib? With what?

Posted by: bkrantz May 9 2020, 08:13 PM

More work on the trunk lid today. Here's the hole cleaned up.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 9 2020, 08:14 PM

The patch requires a double curve, one sharper and one constant radius. I got pretty close.


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Fit in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 9 2020, 08:16 PM

Tack-welded in place. The thin metal around the edge of the hole behaved better than expected.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 9 2020, 08:17 PM

And all welded in place. Grinding tomorrow.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 9 2020, 08:18 PM

I also welded a small crack in the rib along the right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 9 2020, 08:19 PM

And I welded two holes in the middle of the trunk lid skin, probably from a luggage rack. I guess that was a thing at some time.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 10 2020, 08:11 PM

Got back to work on the trunk lid today. Grinding down the luggage rack holes I filled:


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Posted by: bkrantz May 10 2020, 08:12 PM

Grinding down the crack welding in the right side rib:


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Posted by: bkrantz May 10 2020, 08:13 PM

And grinding down the welding around the patch. I am pretty happy with this one.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 10 2020, 08:14 PM

I then set the trunk lid back on the car, propped in rough alignment. The next step is to straighten out all the dings, including the trailing edge. From 10 ft it looks pretty good, but...


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Posted by: bkrantz May 10 2020, 08:17 PM

The trailing edge has been bent inward. I suspect it got set down hard enough on that edge to roll it under a bit. From the right side to the center, I see a gradual drop of the edge.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 10 2020, 08:18 PM

On the left side, the bend is more abrupt. I need to invent a lever that can clamp onto the edge, and ease it upward.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 10 2020, 08:21 PM

Meanwhile, I finished up the metal work on the right rear fender. The sanded spots in the guide coat make it look worse than it is. The highs and lows differ by only about 1 mm.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 11 2020, 08:12 PM

I worked more on the trunk lid today. First I made a tool to grab and pry the trailing edge. (some of the notch fell out during work--the clamp kept the 2x4 from splitting)


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Posted by: bkrantz May 11 2020, 08:14 PM

After some gentle prying, plus some more hammer work with a soft-face mallet, I got the edge close to straight, and equally distant from the rear panel along the arc.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 11 2020, 08:14 PM

Looks good by eye.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 11 2020, 08:16 PM

And even better from a few feet away.


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Posted by: raynekat May 11 2020, 09:01 PM

I'd say just slap some paint on that baby Bob. tongue.gif

Posted by: jaredmcginness May 12 2020, 06:15 AM

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And even better from a few feet away.


Love this thread B. Such an inspiration to redo my rear end!

Also love how flat the rear decks of these look. No wheels and all... Like a spaceship or something

Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:40 PM

QUOTE(raynekat @ May 11 2020, 09:01 PM) *

I'd say just slap some paint on that baby Bob. tongue.gif


Brush or roller?

Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:43 PM

More work one the trunk lid today, and playing with a new tool kit. This is the pointless dent remover set from Eastwood. It comes with a glue gun, plastic pulling tabs, a hand lever pry thing, small slide hammer (not shown), and tab remover.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:45 PM

Here's a shallow dent in the outer skin, along the leading edge. The inner rib prevents access to the back of this.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:46 PM

So heat the glue gun, apply to tab, stick on to center of dent, and pry away.


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Not bad now.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:49 PM

I pulled a few more dents in the outer skin with pretty good results.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:50 PM

I then flipped the lid over and went after some dents in the ribs.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:50 PM

But the hot glue is not strong enough and the pull tabs kept popping off.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:53 PM

I could have done what a PO did, and drill holes for a screw-in puller.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:54 PM

Instead I welded on studs that my big slide hammer can screw on to.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:56 PM

Fist dent came out nicely.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 12 2020, 07:57 PM

Second dent was going well, and then I pulled too hard!


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Posted by: bkrantz May 13 2020, 08:28 PM

Got the trunk lid done today. I welded up the hole I tore yesterday, and the old hole from a PO puller repair.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 13 2020, 08:30 PM

I used the same technique to pull the remaining significant dents in the trunk ribs.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 13 2020, 08:33 PM

While I had the welder going, I reattached the trunk latch mount inside the rear panel.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 13 2020, 08:38 PM

Getting close to clearing the list!


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Posted by: bkrantz May 14 2020, 08:41 PM

On to the next/last bit of significant metal work on the body shell: battery tray and support. Here are the new pieces.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 14 2020, 08:43 PM

I am still pondering how I want to do this (fully welded, weld in the support and bolt in the tray, other?).


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Posted by: jaredmcginness May 15 2020, 10:05 AM

Hmmm. I need to finish my battery tray and engine shelf this week. Was hoping to find some answers to your question too.

I think I am going to fully weld everything. Spot welds around the base.

Posted by: bkrantz May 15 2020, 09:15 PM

I am leaning that way, too. I know I will install a sealed battery, and so the risk of acid spill is mush less than the risk of mount failure.

Posted by: ElCee May 16 2020, 04:14 AM

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I am still pondering how I want to do this (fully welded, weld in the support and bolt in the tray, other?).


Here are some photos showing how I fitted my battery box.

1) First I welded 3 nuts on some strips and welded those strips to the underside of the battery box. You can then precisely drill the 3 mounting holes in the separate console.
2) The new console can then easily be welded where the old console was. That way you can also weld the inside of the console properly. For the integrity I also made a support to the inner screen.
3) Check whether the battery box can be properly secured with 3 bolts and disassemble the battery box again. Once disassembled both the console and the battery box can be well protected from rust.
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Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 08:54 PM

Thanks--very clever solution. I decided to go old school...

Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 08:58 PM

And weld everything in place.

But first I pulled out the battery tray that was on the car. It had plenty of undercoating and other gunk, but the quality of the pressing, the presence of cable tabs, and the red primer makes me think this is a factory replacement part.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 09:00 PM

The underside is clean, and never welded.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 09:01 PM

I used some solvent (3M Adhesive Remover seems to work best) to strip off the undercoating.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 09:02 PM

In fact, this piece was only attached by some epoxy along the edge against the inner fender wall.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 09:06 PM

I started with the support, with some plug welds into the side of the longitudinal.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 09:07 PM

And then more plug welds on the side flanges.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 09:08 PM

Here is the tray clamped in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 09:09 PM

I started with more plug welds from inside the fender through the inner wall into the edge of the tray.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 09:10 PM

And then finished up with welding the under side of the tray. Again, having the rotisserie to turn the car upside down made this easier.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 16 2020, 09:11 PM

The list is almost done!


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Posted by: Tman914 May 17 2020, 02:27 PM

Nice job by the way it’s looking really nice work

Posted by: bkrantz May 17 2020, 08:52 PM

Thanks, Tman.

No 914 work today, but when I took my 991 out for a drive before changing the oil, I noticed this view.



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Posted by: raynekat May 17 2020, 09:03 PM

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Thanks, Tman.

No 914 work today, but when I took my 991 out for a drive before changing the oil, I noticed this view.


I noticed all the bikes on the wall. And bike wheels/tires hanging from the rafters. Ha

Posted by: bkrantz May 18 2020, 08:12 PM

QUOTE(raynekat @ May 17 2020, 09:03 PM) *

QUOTE(bkrantz @ May 17 2020, 07:52 PM) *

Thanks, Tman.

No 914 work today, but when I took my 991 out for a drive before changing the oil, I noticed this view.


I noticed all the bikes on the wall. And bike wheels/tires hanging from the rafters. Ha


I do NOT have a bike problem--maybe a storage problem. Plus S has 4 bikes on the other side of the garage. And we have some bikes stashed at our son's place in Tucson.

Posted by: bkrantz May 19 2020, 09:12 PM

I worked on the targa hoop top today, to remove a shallow (max 3/32") dent on the left side. I got out the paintless dent remover kit again. I did about a dozen pulls in different locations.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 19 2020, 09:13 PM

One more shot of my list.


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Posted by: tygaboy May 20 2020, 08:21 AM

Your garage door thanks you! laugh.gif

Posted by: bkrantz May 20 2020, 08:31 PM

And I don't have to listen to the squealing guide wheels!

Posted by: bkrantz May 20 2020, 08:33 PM

And so on to the last big chore on the body shell: grinding all the welds that I left behind everywhere.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 20 2020, 08:34 PM

Here's a start, inside the front right fender.


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Posted by: Lilchopshop May 21 2020, 08:12 AM

Bob, I love your thread and use it daily to guide me on parts of my resto. What is your plan after you’re done with all the metal work? Are you going to have the whole tub media blasted and primed before doing finish body work and paint? If you’re planning to send the car out for blasting and prime/paint, will you deliver the car on (or with) the rotisserie? Appreciate any advice you or others have on these questions.

Posted by: bkrantz May 21 2020, 09:32 PM

QUOTE(Lilchopshop @ May 21 2020, 08:12 AM) *

Bob, I love your thread and use it daily to guide me on parts of my resto. What is your plan after you’re done with all the metal work? Are you going to have the whole tub media blasted and primed before doing finish body work and paint? If you’re planning to send the car out for blasting and prime/paint, will you deliver the car on (or with) the rotisserie? Appreciate any advice you or others have on these questions.


Thanks, Aaron. I have a plan worked out with a local custom body and paint shop. I will finish up the last metal work, and maybe tweak some of the bent panels a bit more. And at that point the shop with take over and do stripping, and final metal work, final prep, primer, and paint. The shop does want to use the rotisserie, as well as a dolly I can borrow from another 914Worlder (thanks, Mike!).

Posted by: Kansas 914 May 22 2020, 10:24 AM

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The shop does want to use the rotisserie, as well as a dolly I can borrow from another 914Worlder (thanks, Mike!).

Happy to help get another 914 on the road here in Durango!

Posted by: bkrantz May 23 2020, 08:15 PM

Another bit of progress today. This does not look like much, doing some touch-up welding on the engine compartment rubber seal channel. But this is the last welding job on the list!



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Posted by: bbrock May 23 2020, 08:32 PM

Simply amazing! That whiteboard is two years of work and you cranked through it without cutting corners in what... 9 months? cheer.gif pray.gif pray.gif

Posted by: bkrantz May 24 2020, 07:20 PM

Back to the festival of weld grinding. It does make the plug welds a bit less obvious.



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Posted by: bkrantz May 24 2020, 07:20 PM

Inside the RR fender.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 24 2020, 07:21 PM

Along the front panel lower seam.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 24 2020, 07:22 PM

Underside of floor all done.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 24 2020, 07:23 PM

I did find a couple of temporary screw holes from fitting the floor section. These will get welded tomorrow.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 24 2020, 07:25 PM

QUOTE(bbrock @ May 23 2020, 08:32 PM) *

Simply amazing! That whiteboard is two years of work and you cranked through it without cutting corners in what... 9 months? cheer.gif pray.gif pray.gif


Thanks, Brent. I got started seriously in October, so I count 8 months. Of course, most of the big jobs are not listed here. I wonder if the owner will pay for my time. dry.gif

Anyway, the last photo of the list with all the metal work done!


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Posted by: jaredmcginness May 24 2020, 08:10 PM

White board is looking great!!! Fantastic work.

Posted by: bkrantz May 25 2020, 07:47 PM

Thanks. Gotta wait for the next version.

Posted by: bkrantz May 25 2020, 07:48 PM

Back to grinding today. My focus was inside the frunk.



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Posted by: bkrantz May 25 2020, 07:50 PM

Got the frunk finished (unless another weld is hiding somewhere).



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Posted by: bkrantz May 25 2020, 07:51 PM

And a quick weld and grind on the floor screw holes.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 26 2020, 08:57 PM

More grinding today. Got the left side of the inner floor done.


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Posted by: sixnotfour May 27 2020, 02:03 AM

QUOTE
I wonder if the owner will pay for my time.

Only with smiles per miles.. driving.gif driving-girl.gif shades.gif beerchug.gif

Posted by: bkrantz May 27 2020, 09:03 PM

Finished the right side of the floor.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 27 2020, 09:04 PM

I also started making the next list.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 28 2020, 08:33 PM

Onto the trunk interior today. Grinding welds is getting old.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 28 2020, 08:34 PM

I also took care of the spot welds along the top of the right fender, in the trough.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 29 2020, 08:18 PM

The trunk is done.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 29 2020, 08:19 PM

The corners are a little ugly, since I had to build up the weld to close jagged seams.

Right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 29 2020, 08:20 PM

Left side.


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Posted by: bkrantz May 31 2020, 07:37 PM

I took care of all weld grinding (as least the ones I can reach) in the engine compartment today. Most of that was along the seam on the rear edge of the floor panel, where I duplicated the factory edge weld in addition to some plug welds.


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Posted by: Lilchopshop Jun 1 2020, 01:04 PM

I notice you’re using an electric die grinder with carbide burrs. How do you like this setup for grinding welds? I’ve been alternating between using a 4.5 inch angle grinder and a dremel tool with a cutoff wheel for grinding welds. The dremel tool is great for precise control, but it’s very slow. Been contemplating buying the same tools you show in your pictures.
Thanks,

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I notice you’re using an electric die grinder with carbide burrs. How do you like this setup for grinding welds? I’ve been alternating between using a 4.5 inch angle grinder and a dremel tool with a cutoff wheel for grinding welds. The dremel tool is great for precise control, but it’s very slow. Been contemplating buying the same tools you show in your pictures.
Thanks,


I like it very much. It cuts quicker (beware!) and reaches into corners. Of course, it also leaves a more irregular surface unless I am VERY patient and careful.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 1 2020, 08:49 PM

I got through grinding all the remaining welds on the body today--job done!



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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 1 2020, 08:51 PM

And then a short interlude, to remove the grill from the engine lid. Note the custom location for the model and engine numbers. (The PO installed a reflector across the rear panel)


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 1 2020, 08:52 PM

And now on to the final job before sending the car to the paint shop: doors.

Here are the good doors, including a donor for the left side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 1 2020, 08:54 PM

Here's the original left door. When I peeked inside months ago, I found some wrinkly metal. So more bondo.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 1 2020, 08:55 PM

And the botched repair led to some rust along the bottom edge.


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Posted by: Lilchopshop Jun 2 2020, 10:14 AM

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Jun 1 2020, 10:47 PM) *

QUOTE(Lilchopshop @ Jun 1 2020, 01:04 PM) *

I notice you’re using an electric die grinder with carbide burrs. How do you like this setup for grinding welds? I’ve been alternating between using a 4.5 inch angle grinder and a dremel tool with a cutoff wheel for grinding welds. The dremel tool is great for precise control, but it’s very slow. Been contemplating buying the same tools you show in your pictures.
Thanks,


I like it very much. It cuts quicker (beware!) and reaches into corners. Of course, it also leaves a more irregular surface unless I am VERY patient and careful.


Thank you. I ordered my electric die grinder and set of carbide burrs this morning. Hopefully they will lessen the chore of weld grinding a little bit. sad.gif

Posted by: mbseto Jun 2 2020, 11:17 AM

Pferd makes a set of wheels called CC-GRIND for your angle grinder. For weld grinding, these things are pretty amazing. Turned a task I dread into one I can tolerate.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 2 2020, 07:54 PM

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Pferd makes a set of wheels called CC-GRIND for your angle grinder. For weld grinding, these things are pretty amazing. Turned a task I dread into one I can tolerate.


Thanks--looks interesting. When possible I use a flap disk (mostly 60 grit).

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 2 2020, 07:56 PM

I got the right door stripped down today, removing the glass, frame and guides, the winding mechanism, and the lock. Amazing how little the bare door weighs.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 2 2020, 07:57 PM

This door has a bit of surface rust in the weatherstrip channel along the bottom, but nothing significant.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 2 2020, 08:01 PM

The only work to do is fixing the mirror holes. The PO had aftermarket mirrors (cheap Vitaloni copies). I need to weld the forward hole, and rescue the stock rear hole with internal nut. (And open up the other stock hole.)


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 2 2020, 08:02 PM

BTW, here is the new list--and progress.


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Posted by: dereknlee Jun 2 2020, 10:31 PM

Looks good, great work. That electric die grinder looks pretty handy - as someone who doesn't have a compressor big enough to run air tools. Will have to look into that. Keep it up!

-Derek

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 3 2020, 09:03 PM

I also have compressor limitations. And I bought the big electric die grinder after burning out multiple Dremel tools.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 3 2020, 09:06 PM

I got the left door stripped today. This is a donor door to replace the original, which has to much collision damage and rust.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 3 2020, 09:07 PM

This door has the internal collision beam. The original doors did not (October 1972 build date). BTW the beam adds about 14 lbs to the door shell, 35 lbs vs. 21 lbs.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 3 2020, 09:08 PM

The donor door also has a pretty thick undercoat layer. I assume this was not factory.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 3 2020, 09:09 PM

And this door has some rust along the bottom channel seam. Have to decide how to fix this.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 3 2020, 09:10 PM

An update on the list.


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Posted by: bbrock Jun 3 2020, 10:03 PM

All the doors I've seen had that undercoating. I think it was sprayed in as a sound deadener but don't quote me on that.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 4 2020, 08:21 PM

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All the doors I've seen had that undercoating. I think it was sprayed in as a sound deadener but don't quote me on that.


Thanks. Either way, it stays.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 6 2020, 09:08 PM

I got back to working on the doors today. On the right (original) door that meant welding shut the hole the PO drilled for an aftermarket mirror, and then opening up the stock mirror hole and chasing the threads.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 6 2020, 09:10 PM

On the left (donor) door I have to replace some rusty sections of the weatherstrip channel flange along the lower edge. The worst spot is at the rear curve.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 6 2020, 09:10 PM

Rusted section cut out.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 6 2020, 09:11 PM

New metal welded in, and ground smooth and even.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 6 2020, 09:12 PM

Today, the hero tools were the Dremel with mini cutoff disk, and the die grinder with small ball bit.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 6 2020, 09:13 PM

Next up are two longer sections along the door bottom.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 7 2020, 08:05 PM

Another day in 914 restoration paradise.

Here's the door with the long rusty sections removed.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 7 2020, 08:07 PM

A close-up of one section.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 7 2020, 08:08 PM

I did realize that these sections no longer have any connection between the door skin and inner panel, so added some short weld beads.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 7 2020, 08:10 PM

And then ground then down flush.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 7 2020, 08:12 PM

Time to fit the replacement strips. I made these from heavier 18 gauge so they better the original double thickness.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 7 2020, 08:12 PM

Both pieces welded in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 7 2020, 08:13 PM

Ground down to smooth and almost pretty.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 7 2020, 08:15 PM

The channel is back to solid metal.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 7 2020, 08:35 PM

Well, that's it. All bent and rusty metal (that I know about--cross fingers) removed and replaced. 3 different lists completed. Here's the last one.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 11 2020, 08:44 PM

I have been busy with my annual battle with mice in the crawl space under my house, and building a short section of fence between my garage and street, party to screen all the utilities on the wall that is the "front" of the house.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 11 2020, 08:45 PM

The fence also creates a place to hide junk over-flowing from garage and yard.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 11 2020, 08:48 PM

Now that those other chores are nearly done, back to 914 work. Coming soon: bumpers!


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Posted by: kroelofsen Jun 12 2020, 01:33 AM

Good to see your progress. lots of work biggrin.gif

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=23343 What do you plan for the bumpers? Chrome or painting them?

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 08:54 PM

I want chrome. TBD if I can get these refinished.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 08:55 PM

Working on the rear bumper today.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 08:56 PM

Here's how the PO filled the towing eye hole, with a sheet metal patch brazed on the inside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 08:57 PM

After some grinding to clear up the hole. Looks a bit ragged.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 08:58 PM

This is a chrome bumper, but the PO attacked it with sandpaper before painting it black.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 09:01 PM

The rear bumper has a few minor dings but is in good shape overall.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 09:03 PM

The front bumper also looked pretty good--at first.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 09:04 PM

The right side has some issues.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 09:05 PM

How about a custom dog bone--half thickness?


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 09:06 PM

The corner contour looked OK...


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 09:07 PM

But after a big of work with the wire wheel, surprise! That's about 1/2 inch of bondo.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 09:09 PM

The inside also shows how the fender got crimped.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 12 2020, 09:09 PM

After removing the rest of the bondo, it looks pretty ugly.


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Posted by: Kansas 914 Jun 13 2020, 08:12 AM

Hi Bob,

I "might" have a set of bumpers for you. They were painted body color when I bought the car - but there is usually a reason they got painted.

Let me know if you want to have a look.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 13 2020, 09:02 PM

QUOTE(Kansas 914 @ Jun 13 2020, 08:12 AM) *

Hi Bob,

I "might" have a set of bumpers for you. They were painted body color when I bought the car - but there is usually a reason they got painted.

Let me know if you want to have a look.


Yes please!

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 13 2020, 09:03 PM

Today, I remember to strip the engine lid (torsion bars, latch peg)--and also made sure it had no surprises.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 14 2020, 07:14 PM

Spent a few frustrating hours working on the front bumper end today.

Here is how much the end profile is off, compared to the other side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 14 2020, 07:15 PM

The inside view shows the severe crimping.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 14 2020, 07:16 PM

I used my press to try to unfold some of the damage, with partial success.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 14 2020, 07:17 PM

I got the profile a bit better, but still off.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 14 2020, 07:19 PM

After an hour with hammer and dolly and other tools. Still some severely folded bits that do not want to cooperate.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 14 2020, 07:20 PM

This will talk more work to get the profile close enough, and then maybe it can be pretty.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 15 2020, 09:17 PM

I had better luck working the front bumper today. Lots of twisting and banging, with the bumper braced in different configurations.

The first achievement was getting the horizontal top recess edge, where the rubber cap edge sits, back close to a straight line. The line past the bend will need more work.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 15 2020, 09:19 PM

Next, I went back to working the curve profile, when seen from above.

First attempt looks a bit better.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 15 2020, 09:21 PM

Another round with the hammers, and the profile is almost there.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 15 2020, 09:22 PM

The face is still lumpy, but that will come later.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 15 2020, 09:24 PM

I took a break from bumper work to fabricate the bracket that supports the center of the rear bumper cap. Here is the layout.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 15 2020, 09:26 PM

And the finished part. I will weld this on once the car is off the rotisserie, for better access.

Posted by: Kansas 914 Jun 16 2020, 07:34 AM

Bob,

I got 5 bumpers out of storage. Feel free to stop by and take a look at them. I have 2 unmolested (still chrome) rear bumpers.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 17 2020, 08:37 PM

Thanks, Mike--very good to have friends, especially friends with 914s (and 914 parts).

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 19 2020, 09:09 PM

A minor detour to work on the 914 dolly loaned to me by Kansas 914. He invited me to add some braces for the posts. I found that the existing pegs on top of the posts did not fit the jack point donuts on my car, so I decided to re-engineer those and make the fit adjustable.

Here are the new post caps with a 1/2 inch hole.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 19 2020, 09:13 PM

And the inserts that have 1/2 pegs and 3/4 inch pegs (for the donuts). The height of the inserts can be raised with washers.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 19 2020, 09:15 PM

The pegs are offset so by rotating the distances between pegs on all 4 posts can be altered a bit.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 19 2020, 09:16 PM

Angled braces for the corner posts.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 19 2020, 09:17 PM

Finished product.


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Posted by: Kansas 914 Jun 20 2020, 07:00 AM

Nice work on the dolly - well done!

Posted by: BeatNavy Jun 20 2020, 09:28 AM

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Nice work on the dolly - well done!

agree.gif Nice engineering and nice welding (stick, no less).

Posted by: sixnotfour Jun 20 2020, 09:34 AM

Right ,,Great Hard Work and Skills,,,Oh... Here have a bumper... and a cart
Workers Matter

Posted by: Kansas 914 Jun 20 2020, 10:10 AM

QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Jun 20 2020, 09:34 AM) *

Right ,,Great Hard Work and Skills,,,Oh... Here have a bumper... and a cart
Workers Matter


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 20 2020, 08:36 PM

QUOTE(BeatNavy @ Jun 20 2020, 09:28 AM) *

QUOTE(Kansas 914 @ Jun 20 2020, 09:00 AM) *

Nice work on the dolly - well done!

agree.gif Nice engineering and nice welding (stick, no less).


The credit for (good) welding goes to my son, who has actual training and skills.

But I get the design credit! biggrin.gif

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 20 2020, 08:54 PM

We got the car body onto the dolly today--a real milestone. With luck, it will go to the paint shop by the end of the week.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 20 2020, 08:56 PM

We also upgraded the wheels on the rotisserie. The paint shop will probably use it for stripping and for priming the underside. The original wheels might not survive rolling in and out of the shop.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 20 2020, 08:57 PM

Mounting the red wheels required cutting off the original plates and welding on new ones.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:02 PM

Bumper day! Mike let me try out candidates from his inventory.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:07 PM

Started on the rear, with the straightest bumper in the collection. First fit on the car, with my original top cap.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:08 PM

Left end.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:09 PM

Right end. The gap along the side fender recess looks big (but the cap is against the fender).



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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:10 PM

Overall the fit looks pretty good, just a bit high on the right side.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:11 PM

For the front, the straightest bumper had a small but distinct dent near the left end.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:13 PM

To mount the top cap, and have it aligned properly, I had to remove the dent. After some work with my press and hammers, I got it 90%--good enough for the fitting.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:14 PM

I also had to come up with a temporary fix for the modified dog bone, since the PO trimmed one by 2/3 to adjust for the crappy right fender repair.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:15 PM

Since I do not have a spare, I made a wood dog bone spacer.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:19 PM

Dig my temporary dog bone need to be bone-shaped? No, but why not?


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:20 PM

Here is the bumper mounted, with the frunk lid propped in place.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:21 PM

The left end.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 21 2020, 09:22 PM

And the right (bad) side. Not too bad, but needs more work.


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Posted by: Kansas 914 Jun 22 2020, 06:40 AM

I have a dog bone if you want it. I will set it out for you.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 22 2020, 07:52 PM

QUOTE(Kansas 914 @ Jun 22 2020, 06:40 AM) *

I have a dog bone if you want it. I will set it out for you.


Thanks, Mike--and thanks for the chance to look at your cars to compare bumper fit.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 22 2020, 07:55 PM

More bumper fitting today. In the rear, I elongated the holes a bit so the bumper sits lower. To get it to fit closer, I think I will need to shave some dog bones.

In the front, I redid the recess in the right fender for the top cap corner. Here is the way it was, with markings (hard to see).


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 22 2020, 07:57 PM

And after a bit of hammer work, build-up MIG welding, and grinding.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 22 2020, 07:59 PM

With my son's help (and his willingness to lie on his back and weld upside down), we attached the support bracket for the center of the rear bumper cap.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 22 2020, 08:00 PM

From below.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 22 2020, 08:02 PM

We also redid part of the front panel seam, where we turned the PO lap joint into a butt seam. Welding was not solid, and multiple efforts did not improve things, so I cut a hole for a patch.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 22 2020, 08:03 PM

From the inside, after welding in new metal, and some rough grinding.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 23 2020, 08:39 PM

More bumper fitting, all on the front right fender, and mostly around the recess for the bumper cap end.

My ace assistant at work, in the second part of a welding and grinding cycle.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 23 2020, 08:41 PM

Although the recess looked good yesterday, grinding the shape made the welded metal too thin and made it crack. So today was weld-grind-repeat.

Here is the work in progress.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 23 2020, 08:43 PM

The final result, at least for today. The shapes and fit look good to me.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 23 2020, 08:44 PM

Overall top view.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 23 2020, 08:54 PM

I also started prep for transport to the paint shop. The plan is not final yet, but will require some tie-downs, preferably that do not touch the body and will work when I bring the car home with fresh paint.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 23 2020, 08:57 PM

For the front, the square tubing connects across the bolt holes for the torsion bar mounts.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 23 2020, 08:58 PM

Just enough clearance for a strap hook.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 23 2020, 09:00 PM

In the final countdown!


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 23 2020, 09:01 PM

Gathering miscellaneous parts for the paint shop, I found out the car's name.


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Posted by: raynekat Jun 23 2020, 09:34 PM

"The cable guy".....nice.....git er done there Bob.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 24 2020, 07:53 PM

Got some bolts today, and mounted the tie-down brackets to the rear suspension points. I added some quick-links so the straps can tie off with reasonable angles.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 24 2020, 08:01 PM

The big job today was some targeted rust treatment. After testing both Corroseal and Ospho, I chose Corroseal. It did a better job at penetrating surface rust and leaving a more complete coating.

With my son's help, we started with the trunk lid. I poured about a cup of Corroseal between the inner skin and the rear internal rib. We then tilted the lid in different directions to coat the inside, and then penetrate the trailing edge. After pouring off the excess, we propped the lid upright to drain and dry.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 24 2020, 08:03 PM

We then did the same thing with the doors, pouring some Corroseal into the bottom interior and coating the internal seam.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 24 2020, 08:04 PM

Last, I injected Corroseal inside the jack point flanges, including the second drain hole I added.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 24 2020, 08:06 PM

That's pretty much it. Tomorrow we will work to prepare the car and dolly for transport. Good friends should arrive with a trailer Friday morning, and then off to the paint shop.


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Posted by: raynekat Jun 25 2020, 02:56 AM

Let's see what that Corroseal looks like?
Inquiring minds and all.....

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 25 2020, 08:26 PM

Just for you, Doug. Not much access to see where I treated on the car.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 25 2020, 08:28 PM

Another rusty piece from a prior test. Equivalent amounts of Ospho on the left, and Corroseal on the right. I judged the Corroseal did a better job at soaking in and leaving a top film.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 25 2020, 08:30 PM

We wrapped up the loading prep today. First we tied the body to the dolly. In the rear I installed the engine cross brace support brackets, and used those.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 25 2020, 08:31 PM

In the front, I installed the suspension/steering cross member, and tied off to that.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 25 2020, 08:32 PM

We then moved the car over near the garage door. Ready to roll.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 25 2020, 08:33 PM

The doors and lids all loaded in my Suburban.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 26 2020, 08:43 PM

Today was moving day. Mike and Chuck (and Chuck's trailer) showed up around 9am. In about 30 minutes we had the car loaded and tied down. Car friends are awesome!


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 26 2020, 08:45 PM

I was concerned about leaving the weight on the dolly wheels during transport, so we built a wood cradle to support the car under the longs. The cradle sat on jack stands, that in turn were screwed down to prevent shifting.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 26 2020, 08:46 PM

About an hour later the car was on the ground at the paint shop.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 26 2020, 08:48 PM

The body is now in the hands of Lin Coates and crew, in Bayfield, Colorado.


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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jun 27 2020, 06:22 AM

That car was definitely nicely secured on the trailer. I'm thinking you could have driven it across the country with no issues at all. Good job. I can't wait to see it being body worked and then color! beerchug.gif

Posted by: 9146C Jun 27 2020, 08:14 AM

I've really enjoyed following your build. Looking forward to the completion. Well done!

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 27 2020, 10:23 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Jun 27 2020, 06:22 AM) *

That car was definitely nicely secured on the trailer. I'm thinking you could have driven it across the country with no issues at all. Good job. I can't wait to see it being body worked and then color! beerchug.gif


I might have been a little paranoid, but I worked out. I also wanted to set it up so when it comes home with fresh paint, nothing has to touch that paint.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 28 2020, 08:20 PM

I spent most of yesterday and today cleaning and reorganizing the garage (and fabricating a new post for our deck shade structure). With things moved around, I could get to the 914 motor. Don't be jealous of the awesome red paint on the head covers and pushrod tubes.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 28 2020, 08:23 PM

We ended the day by getting the motor up on the stand. More jealousy: red on the blower housing and intakes (and also on the exhaust and trans).


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 29 2020, 08:28 PM

I stopped by the body shop to drop off the brackets to mount the car on their rotisserie. Here are a few other cars in progress there.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 29 2020, 08:30 PM

More outside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 29 2020, 08:30 PM

And inside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 30 2020, 08:13 PM

Before starting on tear down, I made some space to lay things out. I repurposed the plywood from the trailer cradle into a work table.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 30 2020, 08:16 PM

After some inspection, and labeling, and photos, I stripped off everything from the topside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 30 2020, 08:17 PM

The first round of parts to clean and inspect.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jun 30 2020, 08:17 PM

And the new list.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 1 2020, 08:40 PM

Today, I stripped the outside of the engine. Everything came off easily, except one cheesehead screw. Given that this screws into the top of the case, I took some care. That turned into about 30 minutes of penetrating oil, finesse with a beefy screwdriver, heating with a torch, and finally lots of "gentle" taps with a hand impact tool. Eventually, it gave up.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 1 2020, 08:41 PM

With the sheet metal off, I could see the tops of the cylinders. I was a little disappointed not to find an official 914 mouse nest, but a fair amount of crud made up for it.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 1 2020, 08:42 PM

Right side


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 1 2020, 08:43 PM

Left side


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 1 2020, 08:44 PM

Next, we get to look inside, and see what is hiding there.


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Posted by: djway Jul 1 2020, 09:58 PM

that is a lot cleaner than most I have opened up
Rock On

Posted by: bkrantz Jul 2 2020, 08:03 PM

I opened up the engine today. Good thing I still have an official 914 pry tool, from previous ownerships.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 2 2020, 08:03 PM

Valve train all present and looking OK.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 2 2020, 08:05 PM

A couple of the adjusting screws have pits.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 2 2020, 08:06 PM

Everything came off easily: push rod tubes, heads, cylinders.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 2 2020, 08:09 PM

I need to clean off the carbon and crud, but the heads look OK so far. Left side.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 2 2020, 08:10 PM

Right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 2 2020, 08:11 PM

The cylinders even show cross hatching and no signs of wear.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 2 2020, 08:13 PM

Next up: removing the pistons and miscellaneous, and then splitting the case.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 2 2020, 08:14 PM

Progress on the latest list.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 3 2020, 08:42 PM

Pistons out. Looking OK, but with a lot of oily carbon crud on top.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 3 2020, 08:43 PM

Oil pump, exterior view.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 3 2020, 08:47 PM

Oil pump, interior. Anyone recognize this pump?


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 3 2020, 08:49 PM

So, after removing the 6 main case bolts, and undoing 20 fasteners around the perimeter and elsewhere, I am ready to split the case. But the seam is resisting.


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Posted by: raynekat Jul 3 2020, 09:13 PM

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Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 3 2020, 10:12 PM

Did you get the bolt that goes through the windage tray? It is between the two cylinder spigots in a recess.


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Did you get the bolt that goes through the windage tray? It is between the two cylinder spigots in a recess.

It was the same one I didn't see when I first split a case.

Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:33 PM

All the bolts were out (I counted them at least a dozen times).

I tried the method of prying between the front shaft impeller flange and the front seal. After a gentle pry, the seam opened up along the front, but the back was still stuck. I resorted to some plastic wedges (door frame shims), and that did the trick.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:36 PM

Inside the case looks very good. Left side.


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Right side.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:37 PM

Number 2 bearing looks good.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:38 PM

Cam bearings also look good.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:39 PM

The cam lobes look very good.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:39 PM

But the bolt-on cam is not stock, right?


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:40 PM

The crankshaft, fully assembled.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:41 PM

The number 1 bearing and journal.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:43 PM

Rigged up to pull the camshaft drive gear.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:43 PM

The gear itself looks very good.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:44 PM

Time to remove the connecting rods.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:45 PM

The number 1 con rod bearing looks good.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:46 PM

But the number 2 bearing shows a bit more wear. This is the worst one.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 4 2020, 08:49 PM

All the crank journals look great.

After a quick measuring session, the mains are about 2.3520 inches, suggesting these were ground one step undersize.

And the con rod journals are about 1.959 inches, two steps undersize.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 5 2020, 08:30 PM

A bit more tinkering today, starting with removing the oil pressure relief valve. Step one was to make a tool to fit the slot profile in the cap.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 5 2020, 08:31 PM

New tool in use.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 5 2020, 08:32 PM

Pressure relief valve parts.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 5 2020, 08:34 PM

More inspection of the case. I am still waiting on new solvent for my parts cleaner.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 5 2020, 08:35 PM

I found evidence of where a PO got rough separating the case halves.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 5 2020, 08:35 PM

I swear it wasn't me!


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 5 2020, 08:36 PM

Cylinder head marking 1.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 5 2020, 08:37 PM

Marking 2.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 5 2020, 08:38 PM

The new work list.


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Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 6 2020, 07:18 AM

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That's gonna cause an oil leak.....

Posted by: Kansas 914 Jul 6 2020, 07:30 AM

Bob,

Do you plan on tapping/threading the oil galley plugs?

EDIT: I looked at previous pictures and it appears to be done already.

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QUOTE(bkrantz @ Jul 5 2020, 09:35 PM) *

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That's gonna cause an oil leak.....


Most likely. On the list to fix.

Posted by: bkrantz Jul 6 2020, 08:33 PM

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Bob,

Do you plan on tapping/threading the oil galley plugs?

EDIT: I looked at previous pictures and it appears to be done already.


Yeah, Mike--already done for all the galley plugs.

Posted by: bkrantz Jul 7 2020, 07:59 PM

More inspection today.

The left cylinder head has a pulled exhaust stud.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 7 2020, 08:01 PM

The type 1 oil pump made contact, probably with a camshaft. But not the cam I removed, since the bolt heads on the cam gear are pristine.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 7 2020, 08:04 PM

Some ID info, cast into the cam. This looks like a CWC cam. But with an intake lift of about .318 and exhaust lift of .306, it is far from stock--and probably not compatible with the stock FI.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 8 2020, 08:06 PM

I stopped by the body shop today. They finished stripping the paint yesterday, with a dustless blaster rig.



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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 8 2020, 08:07 PM

First good news: no surprises under the paint.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 8 2020, 08:08 PM

Second good news: the guys at the shop at least acted reasonably impressed with all my work.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 8 2020, 08:10 PM

The shop owner just bought a rotisserie, and will keep my car mounted for now, probably through painting the underside.


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Posted by: bkrantz Jul 8 2020, 08:11 PM

Shop owner Lin Coates.


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Posted by: Lilchopshop Jul 9 2020, 08:14 AM

Looking really good! beerchug.gif
Can’t wait to get to that point on my rustoration! I think a a few months away still, but seeing this gives me huge motivation. One question. What is the shop going to do with the existing seam sealer? I’ve had to dig a lot of it out in order to repair rust and I’m debating taking all of it out before blasting. My thought is that this would uncover any more rust that may be lurking beneath and would allow for a good coat of primer under the new seam sealer. Your opinion on this?

Posted by: bkrantz Jul 9 2020, 09:03 PM

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Looking really good! beerchug.gif
Can’t wait to get to that point on my rustoration! I think a a few months away still, but seeing this gives me huge motivation. One question. What is the shop going to do with the existing seam sealer? I’ve had to dig a lot of it out in order to repair rust and I’m debating taking all of it out before blasting. My thought is that this would uncover any more rust that may be lurking beneath and would allow for a good coat of primer under the new seam sealer. Your opinion on this?


During all my work, I probed the existing sealer, especially around the edges. Anything that looked detached or with evidence of rust underneath, I removed--at least until I found clean metal. The shop will continue with this strategy. I did not want to remove all existing sealer. BTW, my shop owner is a firm believer in applying sealer (and filler) directly to metal, and then prime over that.

Posted by: bkrantz Jul 10 2020, 08:37 PM

I got my parts washer going again today with new solvent, and did a quick cleaning of the engine case. Looks like the previous rebuild used black silicone on everything, including the case seam (but red silicone on the push rod tubes).


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Posted by: raynekat Jul 10 2020, 09:39 PM

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I got my parts washer going again today with new solvent, and did a quick cleaning of the engine case. Looks like the previous rebuild used black silicone on everything, including the case seam (but red silicone on the push rod tubes).


Better get a case of that "Goof Off" stuff.

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